R2 Cars

[Sulland]

The R2 class is again expanding with another brand with the Peugeot 208.
Drivers can now choose from:

Citroen C2 R2 + Max
Ford Fiesta R2
Renault Twingo R2 + Evo
Skoda Fabia R2
Peugeot 208 R2

They have btw 160 and 195 hp, but there are more factors than only power. Torque and torque band, suspension and drivability and so on.
What are the differences in drivability on these cars, espesially on gravel?
Are some more nervous than the other, and do some suite a particular driving style than the other?

I have had a question from a driver that are planning to buy a R2 for 2013, but would like to know more on the diferences btw them before he chooses.
Can any of the oracles here shed some light on this subject?


What are the drivers comments on the different R2s?

[br21]

C2 max is the best r2 car at the moment in my opinion (probably until 208 will be available). it has good BOS suspension, a lot of upgrades, very reliable after many years of competing and is most powerful, maybe a little bit nervous at high speeds...
fiesta is very nice to drive, has great reiger suspension (which works very well even with just 2 adjustments in the rear dampers), but lacks a lot of power comparing to c2 max. also to make it competitive you have to invest in a lot of Msport upgrades. also different is that you're not buying complete caged bodyshell from msport, but just a rollcage that has to be fitted by authorised company into donor car, options for 3door and 5door available. also conversion from tarmac/gravel is not difficult, as just few parts are different, for example not complete brakes are different but you use same caliper just with or without special adapters.
twingo I have only experience with first verision, not evo. it was very nice car, with a lot better traction than c2, but at that time lacking a lot of power comparing to c2 max.
fabia I have not a lot of experience, it's private build car, just homologated by factory and because of smaller team preparing the cars/parts it's not so popular. also quite expensive I've heard, but I'm not sure about it.
208 looks to be really great car, but honestly we have to wait till November for the first cars available for the private customers to be able to say more.
you need any more info please lt me know, we were taking care of few c2 and fiesta rally cars, now we are looking forward for 208...

[Tom206wrc]

In july normally the 208 R2 will have its first official competition, in Ireland(Ulster Rally) ;)
Remains to be seen who will drive the car though :confused:

[br21]

In july normally the 208 R2 will have its first official competition, in Ireland(Ulster Rally) ;)
Remains to be seen who will drive the car though :confused:

Yep, I know, but normally to see true potential of the car, true behaviour, problems, etc. you have to see the car in private team hands...

[Sulland]

The guy in question is mostly interested in trying out a C2 Max, but is unsure on behavior on that one on gravel and snow compared with a Fiesta or Twingo Evo.
He likes a neutral set up, maybe with a bit of oversteer out of the corners, and finds the older Clio N3 hard to set up to his liking.

Have your team Br21 any experience on gravel with the C2, and are they easy to set up not to be too nervous on the loose surface?

[br21]

with Twingo (especially "evo") I have no experience on gravel, I just attend some early test of it on tarmac and there the grip and traction was really impressive, better than c2.
In my opinion c2 wil always be more nervous than fiesta, just because the dimensions of the car (~30cms shorter in total, 16cms shorter wheelbase, etc.) but good driver can set it up really well with BOS dampers and knowing some "special behaviour" of this car can drive really fast. Fiesta will be much smoother, with little bit more oversteer, giving the driver split second more for reaction, but also way less powerfull so on the fast stages you've got in scandinavia it could be an important factor... fiesta is better while jumping I also think, it lands better, rear suspension absorbs it better...
also the fiesta is cheaper to run...

[Sulland]

Thanks for good answers br21!

I have tried to put togeter a spreadsheet on hard tech facts found online for all R2s. Have tried to find the front and rear track width on the Fiesta, but have not been able to find it yet. Do anyone know those measures?

[Susiraja]

with Twingo (especially "evo") I have no experience on gravel, I just attend some early test of it on tarmac and there the grip and traction was really impressive, better than c2.
In my opinion c2 wil always be more nervous than fiesta, just because the dimensions of the car (~30cms shorter in total, 16cms shorter wheelbase, etc.) but good driver can set it up really well with BOS dampers and knowing some "special behaviour" of this car can drive really fast. Fiesta will be much smoother, with little bit more oversteer, giving the driver split second more for reaction, but also way less powerfull so on the fast stages you've got in scandinavia it could be an important factor... fiesta is better while jumping I also think, it lands better, rear suspension absorbs it better...
also the fiesta is cheaper to run...

I agree with these comments. Of course it's good to have more power than the opposition, but it doesn't guarantee faster stage times even in Scandinavia. In Finland both the C2 and Fiesta have been equally fast. For example Jukka Korhonen was the fastest R2 driver this weekend in Lapua and the special stages sometimes looked more like an airstrip than a special stage. Here is a link for in-car footage POPPankki SM-Ralli Lapua 2012, Jukka Korhonen SS1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC94YK3JHzk)

The most important factors to get speed out of R2s is to have a good setup and really put some thought (and practice time) on good pace notes.

[Sulland]

Mapping the Fiesta for E85, what doesmthat do for the HP/NM ?

[urabus-denoS2000]

My good friend has driven both the C2 R2 Max and the Fiesta and we have talked about this subject a lot. His experiences are more or less the same as br21 stated. The Fiesta has much better handling and better suspension (Reiger) than C2. It is cheaper to maintain and rent. C2 is sometimes unstable on high speeds and more unstable under heavy braking. However, the almost 30 HP power advantage for the Citroen means that in most cases, with the same driver, the C2 will be a faster car. All these infos are based on asphalt experience

[Mirek]

Mapping the Fiesta for E85, what doesmthat do for the HP/NM ?

Speaking just theoretically (no own experience).

With E85 You can use richer fuel mixture because E85 contains quite a lot of oxygen. You can also use higher compression ratio because of high octane number of E85 but that means You need to modify cylinder head. Properly set engine for E85 shall be more powerful, especially in torque but it also must have much higher fuel consumption which can be a problem with really long sections between refueling.

[br21]

Mapping the Fiesta for E85, what doesmthat do for the HP/NM ?

I'm not sure if it's possible, I mean according to the rules. I'm big fan of E85 fuel, but to use E85 with succes you may need bigger injectors and different CR, so little bit different engine head finishing or head gasket, etc (or maybe injectors are good enought, I don't know). Exactly as Mirek said. In R2 class you're normally getting map for ECU from manufacturer, you can choose for which fuel you want the car to be mapped, but I think there is no E85 available as it's way less popular in France (C2, Twingo) & UK (Fiesta) than in Scandinavia.

[jensee]

Thanks all of you!

The c2´s and fiesta´s you have been driving, are they with standard setup on dampers? "factory shimming"?

[Sulland]

Now the driver joined the forum, jensee so he can ask directly - welcome !

No one that knows the front and rear track width on the Fiesta ?

[OldF]

The track must be the same or near compared to the standard Fiesta. The Fiesta kit doesn’t include the front lower arms and also the rear beam is standard. On the other hand the wheel hubs are not standard and I think those can change the track a bit.

But you can send an inquiry to M-Sport (http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/contac). I believe they will answer.

Juuso Pykälistö has tested the both cars for Vauhdin Maailma and he also said the Fiesta had a better balance and better suspension compared to the Citroen. He also said the Fiesta doesn’t tilt as much as the Citroen due to better balance. Also in his account to find suspension setup that he liked it would need about 50 km of driving with the Fiesta but about 200 km with the Citroen C2. He said that the Citroen’s suspension felt like made for more rough gravel roads.

The Fiesta has a connector in the engine compartment and when connecting a “green” flash drive to the connector, it will change the engine mapping to suite E85.

There was conflicting information in the article regarding power with gasoline and E85. In the text section was written that the power is 170 ps with gasoline and 179 ps with E85. In the data box the power and torque was:

Gasoline: 171 ps (126 kW) @ 7000 rpm / 190Nm @ 5790 rpm
E85: 174 ps (128 kW) @ 6860 rpm / 190 Nm @ 5290 rpm

[br21]

The Fiesta has a connector in the engine compartment and when connecting a “green” flash drive to the connector, it will change the engine mapping to suite E85.


I didn't know about that option, very interesting!

[Sulland]

How is the handeling and drivability on the Fabia vs Fiesta and Twingo?

[Mirek]

Jan Černý told me that suspension of Fabia didn't work good.

OldF: Some time a go I saw a dyno chart of Fiesta and the result was same like You said - 171 Hp but I don't remember any more details. Fabia engine output is around 190 Hp at best.

[Sulland]

Citroen Sport has developed a R1 DS3. Is it logic to assume they in 2012/13 will upgrade their R2 rallycar from the older C2 to the newer DS3 chassis?

[Barreis]

No more cheap rallying.

[Tom206wrc]

I thought the 208 R2 should have started its first official outing at next month's Ulster Rally :confused:
It's absent from current entrylist on Home (http://www.ulsterrally.com/) :mark:

[pucky54]

I thought the 208 R2 should have started its first official outing at next month's Ulster Rally :confused:
It's absent from current entrylist on Home (http://www.ulsterrally.com/) :mark:

Yes, as zero car!!!

[Tom206wrc]

Craig Breen will drive the 208 R2 in Ulster(source Rallye-Info) ;)
Apparently he(and codriver Gareth Roberts R.I.P.)built relationship with Peugeot-Sport and even took part to the developpment of the car :confused:

[mousti]

Yes, he was there when Neuville tested the 208 too

[Tom206wrc]

Guy wilks too at Ulster Rally in a Twingo Evo R2...he will be the reference to match for Elfyn Evans and Craig Breen :cool:

[Sulland]

Impressive result for Evans in the Fiesta R2 with 2nd overall in Ulster!

Any times or reactions on the Pug 208 R2?

[Tom206wrc]

According to Peugeot-Sport press release, Craig Breen would have been fastest of R2s on 5 occasions during the Ulster Rally...absolutely NO mechanical incidents(reliability 100%) :)


Edit: by end september the 208 will be back to Britain at the BRC Open Days to be tested by customers interested in, and then in october Sanremo(IRC/CIR) + Var(last event of french tarmac championship)
They also talk about two gravel events but don't tell where :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

From latest news there would be two 208 R2s from Peugeot-Sport at the rallye du Var last event of the french tarmac rallies championship: one for Germain Bonnefis(about to be crowned french gravel champion)and the other possibly(but not sure yet)for Jérémi Ancian(if crowned Volant 207 winner at the terre des Cardabelles) ;)

No news about who will drive the car at Sanremo though...an italian driver maybe :confused:

[Mirek]

Bryan Bouffier to drive 208 R2 for the first time in competition in Rally Sanremo :)

[Tom206wrc]

Can't wait for next friday :bounce:
Would be fantastic if Bouffier could set times in the "middle" of the best R3 drivers ;)

[Jeppe]

I am anxious to see what 208 can do in it´s class 6 against the top runners: Twingo Evo M. Pajunen, C2 Max A. Nucita and Fabia E. Chentre.

[Ferjancz]

There was something about Mazda developing the Mazda 2 in a rally car - http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SQH7jsh59aI/AAAAAAABATw/U_IxAaDnX6E/s400/Mazda2-Extreme-Rally-0.jpg , does any one knows what happened with the project?

[Ferjancz]

I am anxious to see what 208 can do in it´s class 6 against the top runners: Twingo Evo M. Pajunen, C2 Max A. Nucita and Fabia E. Chentre.

In my opinion the 208 will be as good as the C2, even better because of the longer wheel base ;) I think the driving will be much easier. Regarding the engine, well wouldn't it be the same as in the C2 :D

[Mirek]

In my opinion the 208 will be as good as the C2, even better because of the longer wheel base ;) I think the driving will be much easier. Regarding the engine, well wouldn't it be the same as in the C2 :D

The engine is completely different. C2 R2 is based on old TU5 unit while the 208 R2 engine is made of new BMW/PSA EP6 one.


There was something about Mazda developing the Mazda 2 in a rally car - http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/SQH7jsh59aI/AAAAAAABATw/U_IxAaDnX6E/s400/Mazda2-Extreme-Rally-0.jpg , does any one knows what happened with the project?

Isn't it made under Australian national regulations?

[Mirek]

I am anxious to see what 208 can do in it´s class 6 against the top runners: Twingo Evo M. Pajunen, C2 Max A. Nucita and Fabia E. Chentre.

Shakedown
Bouffier 2:17,7 (3 runs)
Chentre 2:18,6 (3 runs)
Nucita 2:20,6 (5 runs)
Pajunen 2:20,8 (4 runs)

[Sulland]

So far BB has driven the 208 very fast, and leads Elwis in the Impramat Fabia by a good margin after day 1. Not bad for a debut!
Any comments from Bouffier on how he feels tje first day went, and if he feels more is to come with adjustments?

[Sulland]

Anyone: When will we see the 208 on gravel for the first time ?

Is the Pug the fastest R2 you can buy today ?

[Tom206wrc]

For now I think yes, the 208 being the latest developped should be the fastest ;) but for now it's a bit early to really have a real opinion me thinks though...

PS: about the 208 on gravel, good question :confused:
Maybe in Vaucluse, last event of french championship :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Mattias Boon at the wheels of the 208 R2 in Condroz next week :confused:

[mousti]

Yep zero car

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like Bryan Bouffier could run a 208 R2 in french championship next year :confused:
Cyprus Rally - ERC w planach Bouffiera - Wiadomo?ci - Rajdy - autoklub.pl (http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/erc-w-planach-bouffiera,45699)

[Tom206wrc]

http://www.tete-a-click.be/photos/a11/p474.jpg
http://www.tete-a-click.be/photos/a11/p475.jpg

Who was driving the second 208 R2 in Condroz :confused:

[dimviii]

http://www.tete-a-click.be/photos/a11/p474.jpg
http://www.tete-a-click.be/photos/a11/p475.jpg

Who was driving the second 208 R2 in Condroz :confused:

its not a r2 just a 208

[Sulland]

its not a r2 just a 208

Is 208 homologated in more classes than R2?

[tommeke_B]

00-car, just a 208 road car, nothing special... ;) Peugeot is main sponsor of the event. There was some presenation on friday about the whole history of Peugeot in rallying, presenting the 205 T16 Evo, 206 WRC, 207 S2000 and 208 R5 and R2, the marketing strategy of Peugeot in Belgium is very focused on rallying, which is good! :)

[Sulland]

Ah, did not see that it was a 00 car.

But I do expect it to come in R1 and R3 after a while. Lets see.

[Georgi]

The 208 will play important role in the R1 / R2 categories...

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently slovenian driver Rok Turk will run ERC in a 208 R2 :confused:

[tommeke_B]

Yes, he will do ERC with a 208 R2. Expect some 208 R2's in the Belgian championship too.. ;) And it would be nothing more than normal if the 207-volant in France will be replaced by a competition with 208's too. ;)

[Tom206wrc]

It's already official since several months that the 208 R2 is replacing the 207 R3 in France ;)

[Tom206wrc]

About twelve 208 R2s ordered by swiss drivers :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

Portuguese driver Renato Pita chose the 208 R2 for his rally campaign of 2013: he tested the car with Bryan Bouffier before decision ;)

[noel157]

Bruno Famin interview:

40 208 R2s sold already, national teams across Europe, also R5 news:

iRally | The free independent Rally App for the iPhone, iPad and Android (http://irallylive.com/ir_vidrss.htm?00000487)

[Mirek]

Bruno Famin interview:

40 208 R2s sold already, national teams across Europe, also R5 news:

iRally | The free independent Rally App for the iPhone, iPad and Android (http://irallylive.com/ir_vidrss.htm?00000487)

But no engines delivered...

[noel157]

But no engines delivered...

Kind of important I suppose.... :)

In house Mirek or contracted to a tuner?

[Mirek]

Oreca

[Jeppe]

Oreca

No, it´s Sodemo. I heard that Oreca has ´enough´ job to do for the moment..

[Mirek]

Thanks for correction. My bad.

[Tom206wrc]

Bruno Famin interview:

40 208 R2s sold already, national teams across Europe, also R5 news:

iRally | The free independent Rally App for the iPhone, iPad and Android (http://irallylive.com/ir_vidrss.htm?00000487)


My bet of 50+ 208s ordered before end of 2012 seems more and more won :p :

[Tom206wrc]

With OffShore Rally Team(Switzerland)it's possible to be offered a 208 R5 for season 2014(swiss championship) if you win the R2s in 2013 with one of the 208s from that team :cool:
Offshore Rally Team | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/OffshoreRallyTeam)

[Sardalense]

Anyone knows if M-Sport already sold at least one 5-doors Fiesta R2? The car is homologated since July and until now I only saw 2-doors Fiestas :)

[Georgi]

I heard that M-Sport are planning further development on the current R2 Fiesta.

Probably something like Fiesta R2 Max.

[muratgunarslan]

I heard that M-Sport are planning further development on the current R2 Fiesta.

Probably something like Fiesta R2 Max.
yes, it is true.

[Tom206wrc]

Interesting, in its latest press release, Peugeot-Sport states that 56 208 R2s have been ordered until today among them:

Denmark: 3
Estonia: 2
Germany: 1

Have you got infos about these drivers who ordered it :confused:

[Mirek]

One is in Finland and Jeppe can confirm that to You ;)

[mousti]

Tom do you have figures of Belgium? I think it could be around 5.

[Tom206wrc]

Tom do you have figures of Belgium? I think it could be around 5.

4 in Belgium + 2 in Luxemburg ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Also they write two in Slovenia...one for Rok Turk, the other for... :confused:

[Sardalense]

Where can I read that PR?

[Tom206wrc]

Where can I read that PR?

http://www.peugeot-media.com/index.php?&langue=en

One also ordered in Portugal but we all know it's about Renato Pita ;) they also mention the portuguese 208 R2 Cup ;)

[Sardalense]

Thanks!

[Tom206wrc]

According to Autorally(Romania), Delecour's new "protégé" Bogdan Barbu(winner of Logan Cup)could drive a 208 R2 in ERC too :D

[Jeppe]

One is in Finland and Jeppe can confirm that to You ;)

True! 1st test with 16" spikes was driven today in snowy Southern Finland. All I can say that the car is Great!

We´ll see where that leads Jaro Kinnunen (http://www.jarokinnunen.com/index_en.html) in the Finnish rally championship 2013.. ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Great result by Anders Kjaer at Sigdals Rally this week-end(4th overall in his Twingo R2 Evo) :up:

[Tom206wrc]

First appearance of a Citroën C2 R2 Max in Norway(Rally Hadeland next week-end) :p :
Driver: Jens E. Eriksen

[Tom206wrc]

In Norway, Steve Rokland(Fiesta)wins ahead of Anders Kjaer in Rally Hadeland ;)

Superb Peugeot 208 1-2 in Monte-Carlo thanks to Lionel Baud and Arnaud Monnet :bounce:

[M5]

What is said in Norway is that Fiesta has the best handeling and Twingo the best engine.

will the new 208 combine these two factors and come out as the best choice?

R2 now most exiting and expanding class in Norway.

[Tom206wrc]

70 cars ordered at Peugeot-Sport Vélizy until today !! ;)

[Georgi]

I heard as well that the Fiesta R2 has the best handling and less engine power but this is normal for this car which was produced more for a single make trophy like FIA Academy. Actually the Fiesta R2 made some great SS time in WRC last season.
I suggest that the Twingo has max engine with about 195 HP.
Well, the new 208 would probably try to beat all other contenders in R2 category.
Peugeot Sport invested a lot in this car and with the current financial problems of PSA it's very important for them to make strong results.

[Tom206wrc]

Will there be one or two 208 R2s on entrylist of Saarema Ralli(Estonia), as there are normally two of them sold to driver/team of this country :confused:
For now, none on the pre-entrylist so far... :mark:

[bluuford]

Will there be one or two 208 R2s on entrylist of Saarema Ralli(Estonia), as there are normally two of them sold to driver/team of this country :confused:
For now, none on the pre-entrylist so far... :mark:

You mean South Estonian Winterrally? I have heard the same that there might be two 208 R2 cars ordered in Estonia but I do not know to whom these are ordered?

[bluuford]

Will there be one or two 208 R2s on entrylist of Saarema Ralli(Estonia), as there are normally two of them sold to driver/team of this country :confused:
For now, none on the pre-entrylist so far... :mark:

You mean South Estonian Winterrally? I have heard the same that there might be two 208 R2 cars ordered in Estonia but I do not know to whom these are ordered?

[Jeppe]

You mean South Estonian Winterrally? I have heard the same that there might be two 208 R2 cars ordered in Estonia but I do not know to whom these are ordered?

I´ve heard that also from very reliable source ;)
Peugeot Sport - RALLYE - news-1046-peugeot-208-r2-january-10-2013-deliveries-in-time-for-the-rallye-monte-carlo- (http://www.peugeot-sport.com/en/rallye/news-1046-peugeot-208-r2-january-10-2013-deliveries-in-time-for-the-rallye-monte-carlo-.html)
But I´ve heard also that those will be in delivery at the March earliest...

[tommeke_B]

Not sure if it has been published anywhere. Ford is working on a new Fiesta R1 and R2, based on the 1,0L Ecoboost engine. The car should be available next year.

[bluuford]

I´ve heard that also from very reliable source ;)
Peugeot Sport - RALLYE - news-1046-peugeot-208-r2-january-10-2013-deliveries-in-time-for-the-rallye-monte-carlo- (http://www.peugeot-sport.com/en/rallye/news-1046-peugeot-208-r2-january-10-2013-deliveries-in-time-for-the-rallye-monte-carlo-.html)
But I´ve heard also that those will be in delivery at the March earliest...

It just came to my mind that those Pug 208 R2 cars might be related to Cracco project?

[Tom206wrc]

It just came to my mind that those Pug 208 R2 cars might be related to Cracco project?


Normally Cracco Jr will run in Estonia with a 206 N3 ;)

[NoFear85]

Also they write two in Slovenia...one for Rok Turk, the other for... :confused:
The second one is for Boštjan Logar i think.

[Sulland]

Not sure if it has been published anywhere. Ford is working on a new Fiesta R1 and R2, based on the 1,0L Ecoboost engine. The car should be available next year.

So is the FIA plan to go Turbo for all R classes for 2014?

[catty]

But I´ve heard also that those will be in delivery at the March earliest...
Theres definitely a batch of customer cars available this week

[catty]

So is the FIA plan to go Turbo for all R classes for 2014?
I hope not - the R2 & (non turbo) R3s are the best sounding homologated cars at the minute.
Turbos generally sound horrible - the DS3 R3 sounds like a TDI Golf....

[Mirek]

From spectator's point of view You are right. The problem is that such wish isn't realistic. Atmospheric engines are a dying kind now. Car market is driven by low-emissions, low consumption, pedestrian safety standards (that's also one of reason why to go for small engine) and blabla. That's why carmakers one after another goes for small turbo units and therefore these naturally get also to all sorts of competitions.

I don't like it but who cares about me. Now nobody cares how long a thing like 100 kW 1.0 engine can last. Where are You going to find someone to repair a second hand hybrid? Yeah, it works like something from a PC game, has nice displays with all the stats, graphs and other playstation-like features but who the hell is able to keep that damn thing running after ten years? Almost nobody even makes new downsized engines suitable for major repairs. Cars are getting more and more just a goods like a fridge, TV or smartphones. How come that You can use 15 years old Civic VTi for competition without any major rebuilds during whole season? I shall stop crying... :)

[OldF]

I think a 1,0 litre turbo engine would sound better than a 1,6 turbo engine with a 29 mm restrictor because a smaller displacement engine needs more revs to have the same airflow => peak power on higher revs.

[Mirek]

Sure, but when R3 has 29 mm restrictor, R2 or R1 must have less...

[Jeppe]

Theres definitely a batch of customer cars available this week

I did meant those Estonian cars..

[CWJ]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/08/24/82428x510f9d7413.jpg

First pix of Opels plans...

GALERIEN*:: rallye-magazin.de (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/galerien/yag/582/ItemList/submitFilter/opel-adam-r2-studie/bilder-adam-r2-studie/9/index.html)

[catty]

It looks like a fairly compact car and its a 1.6L thankfully!

[Tom206wrc]

In Ireland this coming week-end, Richard Tannahill and Andrew Slattery will discover their 208 R2s(Birr MC Stages Rally) :)

[Tom206wrc]

This is fantastic that Geusens on an old C2 beat Chérain and Radoux, driving therefore more modern cars(Twingo and Fiesta)on Rally van Haspengouw !!!! :bounce:

[Mirek]

You forgot Boon and Canal-Robles who won most of the stages among R2 but both had their troubles.

[dupanton]

It was a great battle in R2, Geusens, Boon, Canal, Seminara, Cherain, Radoux etc. full attack everywhere!

[catty]

I think you'll find tannahill has already done an event in his, and possibly crashed it today.....

[Tom206wrc]

Brilliant Xavier Baugnet in Boucles Clavièroises for his first in 208 R2 !!!! 65th after SS1(lost a lot of time about 5')...finally 4th after SS9 !!!!! :)
Sure he will be the man to beat in the belgian 208 Cup :D

[Tom206wrc]

Latest news from Peugeot-Sport press release:
74 208 R2 sold to date...among the countries in which drivers/team bought at least one model: Sweden and Netherlands !!! ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Inforallye announces big interest from Ivan Ballinari to run the swiss 208 R2 Cup :eek:
This is really a great news for him because that would mean a 208 R5 in 2014 championship if he wins the cup :D

[Tom206wrc]

Stéphane Lefèbvre new livery :)
http://www.rallye-sport.fr/la-208-r2-de-stephane-lefebvre/

[Tom206wrc]

French ace Cédric Robert at the wheels of a 208 R2(from Saintéloc)at the rallye du Touquet next week :bounce:

[Sulland]

Has there been an engine upgrade for the Fabia R2 in 2013? Read somewhere that it now had 195 hp, is that the right figure?

[Mirek]

I don't know when was last engine update but the engine has over 190 Hp, yes. Last big change I remember was new rear axle first used by Elwis Chentre in Barum rally 2012. But I admit I don't follow the development.

[Sulland]

I don't know when was last engine update but the engine has over 190 Hp, yes. Last big change I remember was new rear axle first used by Elwis Chentre in Barum rally 2012. But I admit I don't follow the development.

What was done to the rear axle Mirek, do you know?

[Jeppe]

Has there been an engine upgrade for the Fabia R2 in 2013? Read somewhere that it now had 195 hp, is that the right figure?

I think you read it from here: Skoda Fabia R2 / Rally cars for sale (http://www.rally24.com/rally-cars-for-sale/skoda-fabia-r2-34391.html)

I´m wondering also is that true or is that ´only´ marketing..

[qbus]

This is true, Tomek Kasperczyk also buy this new stronger engine when he destroyed last one on Wisla Rally.

[Micke_VOC]

And first 208 R2 confirmed in Sweden.
Source: Thorsell Motorsport - NYHETER (http://www.thorsellmotorsport.se/)

[Sulland]

Is the Fiesta R2 the only one left with aprox 165-170 hp?

Does MSport plan for an upgrade of the fiesta soon?

[Mirek]

Fiesta is great car for cups. There is no need to make it more expensive in my opinion.

[bluuford]

New cup in ERC: M-Sport to support one-make Ford Fiesta R2 series in ERC (http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/news/1331-m-sport-to-support-one-make-ford-fiesta-r2-series-in-erc)
That i around 81 000 EUR for 4 rallies. That is around 20 000 EUR/event, which is a bit expensive. But considering the fact that car itself costs around 35 000 - 40 000 EUR and it is all included (entry fee, fuel, tyres, service crew, etc), then it is not too bad.

[Sulland]

Fiesta is great car for cups. There is no need to make it more expensive in my opinion.

Fully agree, but for people competing with the Fiesta against C2 Max, 208, Twingo Evo, and Fabia + it would be nice to have an option to buy an upgrade to not loose out before the start.
So far the Fieastas have benefitted from having the best handling, that has evened out most of the engine gap, but I have a suspision that with the 208 coming, it will take the lead as an overall package.

In the Norvegian championship this year the R2 class is the most even and competitive class with 10 cars batteling it out, 5 of those Fiestas.
on snow those 20+ missing hp has not been that important on snow, but now the gravel season starts with more grip!

[Tom206wrc]

According to someone on Rallylink Forum, Andrea Crugnola would run 2013 CIR/Italy in 208 R2 !!! :)

[catty]

Is the Fiesta R2 the only one left with aprox 165-170 hp?

Does MSport plan for an upgrade of the fiesta soon?
M-Sport tried to homologate an engine upgrade recently but it was turned down by the FIA.
Not entirely sure why though

[Gordini]

Is Citroen coming with Ds3 r2?

[dupanton]

Is Citroen coming with Ds3 r2?

Peugeot has a R2, so I don't think so...

[Sulland]

And Citroen is going racing, and leaving the scene to Peugeot once WRC is gone, and R5 is top dog!

But until them is would make sense to complete the lineup with a R2 of the DS3 !

[vino_93]

Peugeot has R5 and Citroen will develop R5 ...
Peugeot Sport and Citroen Racing programs are link for top category (WRC / WEC / ...), but not for small cars. In they class it's all about business. But the timing wouldn't be good for the moment. Maybe in one year ?

[Mirek]

In my opinion it's very easy to convert anything based on 208 to DS3.

[catty]

Is Citroen coming with Ds3 r2?
Citroens next R2 car will be a DS2 R2

[Tom206wrc]

Jacob Jensen in danish championship(starting next week at Wikinger, Germany)in his new 208 R2 ;)

[ChristianArp]

Jacob Jensen in danish championship(starting next week at Wikinger, Germany)in his new 208 R2 ;)

Unfortunately not, he's missing some parts for the car (engine, gearbox etc.), so no Wikinger for Jacob.

[Tom206wrc]

Alright :mark:

[Mirek]

Peugeot/Sodemo are very slow with supplying engines. Many teams waiting for them...

[ChristianArp]

Peugeot/Sodemo are very slow with supplying engines. Many teams waiting for them...

He sent out a press release a couple of weeks ago saying that Sadev had recalled the gearbox (I assume before he even got it delivered), so there must be some developments ongoing on that front as well? :)

To those tracking cars, the Peugeot Dealer Team Denmark 208 is not expected any time soon either, no driver announced, but the car is in the country - plenty of rumours, but just as many questions at this point. The only confirmed R2s in the championship are the C2s that have been here for years.

[catty]

He sent out a press release a couple of weeks ago saying that Sadev had recalled the gearbox (I assume before he even got it delivered), so there must be some developments ongoing on that front as well? :)

The recall was due to a reliability issue although they seem to be returning the gearboxes rather quickly

[Tom206wrc]

So 22 crews to date in 208 R2s for the first round of french 208 Cup at rallye terre des Causses(gravel) :p :

[mousti]

On De Cecco's facebook there were photo's of him receiving a brand new 208 R2 hopefully he enters TAC with it :)

[jolle1982]

Promo Video of Opel Adam R2
ADAM-Rallye-R2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeDLexNfyUc&feature=youtu.be)

[Tom206wrc]

So Paolo Andreucci 9th overall after day one Rally Ciocco yesterday saturday, first in R2, 2nd in GrR...that says it all :p :

[Rallyper]

Second Peugeot R2 to Sweden. Ace Mattias Adielsson goes from Fiesta R2 to Peugeot.

[Georgi]

Second Peugeot R2 to Sweden. Ace Mattias Adielsson goes from Fiesta R2 to Peugeot.

... interesting...he was driving Fiesta R2 for the last 3 years.

How is he compared to the other young Swedish R2 drivers?

[Rallyper]

... interesting...he was driving Fiesta R2 for the last 3 years.

How is he compared to the other young Swedish R2 drivers?

After two round in the swedish championship he is in first position overall in the N3/R2 class, having a first and a third place.
First race in the Peugeot is South Swedish Rally third round of SRC.

[Kielder]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzGp2_cW8yY&feature=youtu.be

[darkstar]

but keep in mind that the car is not a r2 yet, it only has got 145 hp. the r2 version will come later, this one is only the cup version.

[muratgunarslan]

are there any news about VW Polo R2?

uptop h? b?n

[Mirek]

are there any news about VW Polo R2?

You mean the AlmRally/K2 Engineering Polo R2 which is currently prepared for Russian national homologation? That car is fully built according to FIA rules but for international homologation there must be a will from VW Motorsport to homologate it. As far as I know in the moment it's too early to speak about that.

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently german driver Benjamin Scheller received his 208 R2(news from Rallye Magazin) and wanted to start with it on next week's Hesse Rally Vogelsberg but on entrylist he's still with the C2 :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

FIRST 208 R2 in CZ !!!! Jan Cerny will be the driver(Rally Sumava) !!!! :D

[Mirek]

Looks like it's for whole MMČR season.

[Tom206wrc]

And again a fantastic result for the 208 R2 in Italy, thanks to Paolo Andreucci(6th overall in 1000 Miglia) :)

[Sulland]

Looks like the 208 is the leading R2 for the moment, seen from results.

[Tom206wrc]

This coming week-end, Jan Cerny will show it again in Rally Sumava Klatovy and Stéphane Consani in Rallye Lyon-Charbonnières :D

[Tom206wrc]

Jacob Jensen in danish championship(starting next week at Wikinger, Germany)in his new 208 R2 ;)

He had his first race with the 208 last week-end in a danish rallysprint, and finished 9th overall ;)

[Sulland]

A friend asked for a engine output diagram for a C2R2 Max, but could not find anything online.

Where can he get hold of this data diagram, any tip?

[jolle1982]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/galerien/yag/582/ItemList/submitFilter/opel-adam-test/bilder-elmar-graf-19/index.html

Pictures test new opel corsa R2

Gesendet von meinem GT-I9100 mit Tapatalk 2

[A FONDO]

Which is the front and which is the back of this "vehicle" ?

[Tom206wrc]

Danis campion Brian Madsen will drive a 208 R2 :bounce:

[Mirek]

Isn't that more a bad news? Champions deserve cars to fight for overall victory...

[Tom206wrc]

Birth of a Junior championship in ERC 2014 where drivers will use only R2 cars :D

[PLuto]

If you want to know more about junior ERC in 2014, look HERE (http://www.rallyforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=157&t=159961&p=1167186#p1167186)

[RICARDO75]

Test from the new Opel Adam R2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBoHgn4xjgA

[vino_93]

VW Motorsport India developped a R2 car :
http://overdrive.in/news/volkswagen-mot ... -to-k1000/ (http://overdrive.in/news/volkswagen-motorsport-brings-rally-spec-polo-r2-to-k1000/)
http://www.motoroids.com/news/positive- ... 000-rally/ (http://www.motoroids.com/news/positive-results-volkswagen-motorsport-india-developed-polo-rally-cars-k-1000-rally/)

[Tom206wrc]

Peugeot-Sport has just built the 100th 208 R2 :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

Guillaume Dilley chose the 208 R2 for belgian Junior championship this season :bounce:

[Sulland]

Any upgrades for the Fabia for 2014, or has the firm stopped the development?

[Mirek]

There was some suspension development made during last year but I can't tell You anything specific.

[Sulland]

Has any competitive drivers driven the Adam R2 in competition towards other R2s?
Is it competitive yet?

[Tom206wrc]

Has any competitive drivers driven the Adam R2 in competition towards other R2s?
Is it competitive yet?

Quite good result in Pfalz Saarland Rallye two weeks ago :)

[Mirek]

Has any competitive drivers driven the Adam R2 in competition towards other R2s?
Is it competitive yet?

Yoann Bonato drove it in Rallye Le Touquet, French Championship. His speed was good.

[EightGear]

Opel is thinking about creating an Adam Cup in the Netherlands.

http://www.nu.nl/auto/3758477/opel-denkt-deelname-nederlandse-rally-met-adam.html

The article also claims Opel wants to enter the ERC with a Corsa R5.

[Tom206wrc]

Garry Pearson with a 208 R2 on pre-entrylist Pirelli International Rally(UK championship) :confused:

[giù tutto!]

Maybe I'm blind, but I can't find any info about the price of the Opel Adam R2. Does anyone know something about the price? How about the running costs?

[Sulland]

Steve Røkland was very happy after his first rally in the Peugeot 208 R2. He felt this car suited him much better that the Fiesta, that he really never felt suited his style.

Lets see if he can get a budget for some international rallies this year.

[HaCo]

Based on the Renault R5, the new twingo wil be RWD and Read-Engined: http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/05/2014-renault-twingo-geneva-2014/

Hope we will see this in R2T or R3T Spec :-) :-)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NFXup4KvvdM/Uv1b5dRV3gI/AAAAAAAQGrk/McMw4g8ttWU/s1600/New-2015-Renault-Twingo-14.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Steve Røkland was very happy after his first rally in the Peugeot 208 R2. He felt this car suited him much better that the Fiesta, that he really never felt suited his style.

Lets see if he can get a budget for some international rallies this year.


He beats Marius Aasen(Fiesta R2)this week-end in a norwegian rally :p:

[OldF]

New Fiesta R2.

https://twitter.com/GEMfuel/status/552961299953745921

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B6vy8o9IUAAIUMf.jpg

[Mirek]

The turbo engines are inevitable but I really prefer the old-style atmospheric engines...

[OldF]

Yes, the NA engines do have better sound. A turbo engine can also be good with a fuller sound, as long it’s loud enough with high revs. It will be interesting to se… hear the three cylinder engine.

[Munkvy]

190hp from a 1L, 3 cylinder engine sure isn't bad either. Hope it's reliable! Will be interested to hear the sound, wonder if it's a little unusual sounding like 5 cylinder engines.

[RICARDO75]

190hp from a 1L, 3 cylinder engine sure isn't bad either. Hope it's reliable! Will be interested to hear the sound, wonder if it's a little unusual sounding like 5 cylinder engines.

or like a Trabant :)

[Ucci]

or like a Trabant :)

Trabant had a two-stroke, two cylinder engine.

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSwLAVVijxY Evans testing the new Fiesta R2, like the sound of the tiny turbo engine. I heard it's a very promising car... :)

[PLuto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSwLAVVijxY Evans testing the new Fiesta R2, like the sound of the tiny turbo engine. I heard it's a very promising car... :)

Promising car? For who? For Malcolm's business? :)

[tommeke_B]

Promising car? For who? For Malcolm's business? :)

For beating the other R2's.. For Wilson it's no question. With some cups running it's not a risk to make a new R2.

[OldF]

I also like the sound of the three cylinder engine.

Does anybody know the size of the restrictor? I didn’t find any mention of it in the specific regulations http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/260%20%282015%29.pdf

[tommeke_B]

I also like the sound of the three cylinder engine.

Does anybody know the size of the restrictor? I didn’t find any mention of it in the specific regulations http://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/regulation/file/260%20%282015%29.pdf

Page 29. ;)

"All the air necessary for feeding the engine must pass through this restrictor which must respect the following:
The maximum internal diameter of the restrictor is 33 mm, maintained for a minimum distance of 3 mm measured downstream of a plane perpendicular to the rotational axis situated at a maximum of 50 mm upstream of a plane passing through the most upstream extremities of the wheel blades (see Drawing 254-4)."

[Mirek]

Even with 1 litre engine the 33 mm restrictor means it has really big power potential. For me the restrictor size seems to be way too big.

[tommeke_B]

Even with 1 litre engine the 33 mm restrictor means it has really big power potential. For me the restrictor size seems to be way too big.

Bigger is better... :p For FIA it must be very difficult to estimate the potential of the new turbo engines compared to the atmospheric engines, especially since every event has different characteristics... Which manufacturers have the right engine to make a new R2-car? I think Opel has a good base-engine with the Adam (1.0 Ecotec).

[OldF]

Page 29. ;)

"All the air necessary for feeding the engine must pass through this restrictor which must respect the following:
The maximum internal diameter of the restrictor is 33 mm, maintained for a minimum distance of 3 mm measured downstream of a plane perpendicular to the rotational axis situated at a maximum of 50 mm upstream of a plane passing through the most upstream extremities of the wheel blades (see Drawing 254-4)."

The 33 mm restrictor is for the R4 (page 27);). My guess would be between 25-27 mm.

[Mirek]

You are right and that makes sense then. No restrictor size for R2T anywhere in the document.


Which manufacturers have the right engine to make a new R2-car? I think Opel has a good base-engine with the Adam (1.0 Ecotec).

Renault/Nissan, Hyundai/Kia have 1.0 turbo engines ready or almost ready.

[Filip]

I'm a bit confused after reading this appendix J, what is the difference between R2C and R3C?

[Mirek]

The level of allowed tuning. For example R2C has 5-speed gearbox and R3C has 6-speed.

[tommeke_B]

The 33 mm restrictor is for the R4 (page 27);). My guess would be between 25-27 mm.

Indeed, my mistake. ;) I know DS3 R3 has a restrictor of 29mm, so I think you're right.

[RICARDO75]

Elfyn Evans debuted the new Ford Fiesta R2T on Rally North Wales but, the car couldn't even complete the first stage

[dimviii]

because of?^^

[RICARDO75]

because of?^^

Did not hand in time cards

http://results.djames.org.uk/results/retirements.php?EventID=374&e=374

[Mirek]

So why have You presented like it was the car's problem?

[racerx1979]

I know I'm bringing back this thread from a loong time ago, but I was wondering what it the most dominant R2 at the moment for gravel rallies?

It seems like everyone is in a Fiesta R2, but a few people have had great results with the Peugeot 208 R2.

Is the Ford superior or does it have to do with support or something else?

[Mirek]

Fiesta is not superior to Peugeot or Opel. It's cheaper to run and has a massive support from DMACK in WRC but if You want to see real speed of R2 cars follow JERC where anyone can drive what he wants. The fastest car (and by far most expensive) is Opel Adam closely followed by Peugeot 208.

[racerx1979]

Thank you, Mirek.

A close friend of mine is looking into a 2wd rally car for national rallies in Australia. They allow R2 cars and he's been torn on what to buy. Surprisingly the Opel Adam in used condition is cheaper then the Fiesta R2's.

Do you know of a site which has info on the Adam's R2 package?

[Mirek]

It's strange but Opel Motorsport website is only in German. Some basic info is here: https://www.opel-motorsport.com/rallye/adac-opel-rallye-junior-team/fahrzeug-technik/

[racerx1979]

Yeah, it is strange for sure. Seems like Opel oversees the program a lot more than Ford does with the Fiesta's. You can easily buy Fiesta parts from various suppliers. Could be why the Fiesta's are popular. I was unable to find any info regarding the Adam.

I will be spectating in Germany and will try to get more info if possible. I think I saw a few R2's on the entry list.

[Mirek]

In terms of customer support M-Sport is IMO the best.

[Jarek Z]

I know I'm bringing back this thread from a loong time ago, but I was wondering what it the most dominant R2 at the moment for gravel rallies?

It seems like everyone is in a Fiesta R2, but a few people have had great results with the Peugeot 208 R2.

Is the Ford superior or does it have to do with support or something else?

Like Mirek said, Opel Adam is the best R2 car at the moment. If you have a look at the results of Junior European Rally Championship (U27):
https://www.fiaerc.com/standings/
you will see Ingram, Huttunen and Zawada in the first 3 positions. They all drive Opel Adams. All 3 rounds (out of 6) so far were won by Opels. The first Ford Fiesta is in the 5th position.

[JUF]

It's strange but Opel Motorsport website is only in German. Some basic info is here: https://www.opel-motorsport.com/rallye/adac-opel-rallye-junior-team/fahrzeug-technik/ Technical details in English are available here: http://www.vauxhallmotorsport.co.uk/adamr2test

I know a team in Germany who has bought an Opel ADAM R2. Actually they are rather happy with the support they get from Opel Motorsport. But yes, Mirek should be right when he says that M-Sport is still better regarding that topic.

[racerx1979]

Thank you, JUF! I sent them an email for pricing details. Spec sheet looks good!

[pantealex]

In Finland 208 has been fastest in most stages.

Also must remember that Fiesta has different engine variants, pre facelift 1.6 N/A and newer 1.0T 3-zylinder.

[Mirek]

Fiesta was designed to serve in one-make cups not to be the best car.

[Ricardo Filipe Matos]

For when new R1,R2 and R3 cars?

[Sulland]

Is the Adam still the one to beat, or is the 208 better?
Is the adam better on asfalt and the 208 better on loose surfaces?

[Coach 2]

Is the Adam still the one to beat, or is the 208 better?
Is the adam better on asfalt and the 208 better on loose surfaces?

As always, it depends on who you put in which car.
And how well which team gets a good test before each race.

It's good drivers who win races, not cars.
But a good driver can not win with a car with bad setup.
Only if the competition is bad or low.

[dupanton]

I would say they are quite equal. Also Fiesta R2t is similar I guess.

[tommeke_B]

Is there anyone on here aware of new R2 cars being planned/under development? All current competitive R2 cars are quite old already. Both 208 R2 and Adam R2 are in competition since 2013, Fiesta R2T since 2015 I think. Has the FIA made the rules for the new 1.0l turbo cars too strict? What keeps manufacturers from making them?

[pantealex]

Is there anyone on here aware of new R2 cars being planned/under development? All current competitive R2 cars are quite old already. Both 208 R2 and Adam R2 are in competition since 2013, Fiesta R2T since 2015 I think. Has the FIA made the rules for the new 1.0l turbo cars too strict? What keeps manufacturers from making them?

Production of 3-door 208 roadcar has ended...
Fiesta R2 bodywork is old model...

Some new cars must come or R2 is dying, sooner or later.

[PLuto]

Production of 3-door 208 roadcar has ended...
Fiesta R2 bodywork is old model...

Some new cars must come or R2 is dying, sooner or later.

Like other categories. Currently only WRC and R5 is working...

[dupanton]

Like other categories. Currently only WRC and R5 is working...

It used to be very good. I still believe in the formula and I think it is the ideal car for beginning drivers wanting to start an international career. They are not cheap, but they are the real deal with the sequential gearbox etc.

[Mirek]

In my opinion the issue is that FIA didn't decide to make the R2T faster than traditional atmospheric cars already one or two years back. For sure it would hurt at the beginning but it's the only way how to make the manufacturers invest in the new R2T. Meanwhile there is no hope new atmospheric cars would come because the manufacturers mostly already stopped production of useful engines. Thanks to that we are now in this lose-lose situation.

[Sulland]

Any news on new R2t cars in the pipeline?

[dupanton]

According to what I heard, Peugeot and Ford are both building a new R2. Peugeot with a 1.2t and Ford with a 1.0t

[pantealex]

According to what I heard, Peugeot and Ford are both building a new R2. Peugeot with a 1.2t and Ford with a 1.0t

With current regulations 1.2T is R3 not R2
also production of 3-door 208 has ended wile ago.
Maybe new "208" is coming but that means long wait for rally version

[dupanton]

With current regulations 1.2T is R3 not R2
also production of 3-door 208 has ended wile ago.
Maybe new "208" is coming but that means long wait for rally version

Don't know about the model.
All R2 cars now are R2B, which is max 1.0T. There is also an R2C, which can have a 1.2T. The weight of the car must be higher and I presume they need to fit another restrictor to make it fair.

[Sulland]

Think this is the latest from FIA on Supercharged R Classes

R1A: up to 927 cm3
R1B: over 927 cm3 and up to 1067 cm3
R2B: over 927 cm3 and up to 1067 cm3
R2C: over 1067 cm3 and up to 1333 cm3
R3C: over 1067 cm3 and up to 1333 cm3

But how did FIA come up with these max volumes, is is volume x 1,7 as the turbofactor?

https://www.fia.com/file/71980/download/20698?token=BsucGB-b

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2271991216208104&id=124856827588231

https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43643481_2271966779543881_7054893046818668544_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&oh=5514013a20ccb00eb2947b7038a5baf8&oe=5C603E2D
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43727017_2271967029543856_6822924676365287424_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&oh=72becb321dd285e2770ec85dcbe03b35&oe=5C5FF80C
https://scontent.fopo3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/43643463_2271967046210521_4746641205197012992_n.jp g?_nc_cat=101&oh=1fac9e29867766dfda7c402b28c088ea&oe=5C5F1796

[pantealex]

Opel is dropping Adam out of production, so last (if I counted right) of current R2´s base models is gone now. (208, Fiesta, Twingo, Fabia, C2 has ended way before)

[TWRC]

Bruno Famin has confirmed yesterday that a new 208 R2 is in development, and they aim to sell more of these than the current 208 R2 (of wich over 400 were sold).

[PLuto]

New Peugeot R2 car should be available in 2020. And currently it will not be so difficult to sell more cars as there are not new R2 for a long time (Fiesta is not so much competitive and we will see when will be ready Citroen). Unfortunatelly, it will be R2T car...

[dodge33cymru]

Pity, the current one sounds so much nicer than the turbo Ford

[PLuto]

And it is not only about sound. From spectators point of view R2T cars are more boring to watch. And from drivers perspective, I think that for learning atmospheric engines in small cars are better than turbo ones...

[Mirek]

That's all nice but nobody produces atmospheric engines anymore. There's no choice. Simply get used to that and move on. The sport desperately needs new R2 cars.

[dupanton]

I agree with everything that is said here. We need new R2 cars and there no more atmospheric engine produced. So it's logical and we will have to get used to turbo engines.

But I will miss the atmospheric engines... Even as a codriver, a turbo car gives less of an impression of speed. The Adam/208 R2 feel faster then the DS3 R3t. It isn't, but you get the feeling it is.

[electroliquid]

Hi, could anyone tell main differences between Opel Adam R2 and Opel Adam Cup. Is it only engine?

[dupanton]

Hi, could anyone tell main differences between Opel Adam R2 and Opel Adam Cup. Is it only engine?

No, some other parts too. FE driveshafts, suspension...

[Mirek]

Yes, the cup car has stock engine (1.6 N/A +/- 140 Hp), non-adjustable Reiger suspension, non-FIA fuel tank, I think also different brakes but I'm not sure. The gearox is same.

What is really very bad is that the production of Adam is about to end in May 2019 or so and it looks like Opel will stop also rally cars production by that time (both R2 and Cup).

[NoFear85]

There is different ECU and electronics, brakes, dashboard, front grill mask, airbox, rear axle with strutbar, different link from transmission to gear lever and more. Too many difference.

[PLuto]

In one short sentence - completely different car :)

[dupanton]

Yes, the cup car has stock engine (1.6 N/A +/- 140 Hp), non-adjustable Reiger suspension, non-FIA fuel tank, I think also different brakes but I'm not sure. The gearox is same.

What is really very bad is that the production of Adam is about to end in May 2019 or so and it looks like Opel will stop also rally cars production by that time (both R2 and Cup).

I think production of the R2 car was already stopped.

Apparently there is also a difference between the German cup car and the French one they used years ago. The French one should be faster.

Also, there are 2 teams (a French and a Belgian team) who are developping an update for the Adam cup car, to make it more competitive.

[Jarek Z]

New Ford Fiesta R2 was presented today in Cracow, at the headquarters of M-Sport Poland. This car will be used in Junior WRC 2019.

http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201812/news20181204_89630h.jpg

http://www.autoklub.pl/media/201812/128736-news.jpg

[Jarek Z]

What is really very bad is that the production of Adam is about to end in May 2019 or so and it looks like Opel will stop also rally cars production by that time (both R2 and Cup).

Good news from Rüsselsheim - Opel Corsa R2 comes in 2021.

Source - rallye-magazin.de:

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?id=340&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=94565&tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=2019&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=02&tx_ttnews%5Bday%5D=19

[Tom206wrc]

Good news because it was not obvious, now that Opel belongs to...Peugeot ;)

Also the Opel could get a Peugeot 208 R2 platform/engine :D

[pantealex]

New Corsa has same platform than Citroen C3.

Also new 208 will have same platform.

[Rally Power]

New Corsa has same platform than Citroen C3.
Also new 208 will have same platform.

Not quite so. You’re right about the future 208 and Corsa sharing the same platform; they’ll use the new CMP (aka EPM1), inaugurated last year on the DS3 Crossback. The current C3 (Mk III) is still based on the previous PF1, launched in 2002 on the initial C3 (also used by the 207, C3 II, DS3 and 208 I).

Btw, the new 208 (II) will be presented in a couple of weeks in Geneva and the R2 model is expected to be ready next year.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4HcpgaW4AEu8tI?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4HcpgaWAAApaN9?format=jpg&name=medium

[Mirek]

Yessss :D

Finally a car which looks great even without bodykit!

[Andre Oliveira]

I like the Fiesta MK8. But could be mental cause i have one ST-Line road car.

[Andre Oliveira]

https://www.facebook.com/VSrallyePhotographie/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4ILheWW4AIrfcV?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4ILheeX4AAN_eA?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4ILheNWsAEApp6?format=jpg&name=medium

[dimviii]

and a small video with the new 208r2
http://planetemarcus.com/la-nouvelle-208r2-peugeot-sport-est-de-sortie/

[tommeke_B]

https://www.facebook.com/paulfraikinchampions/videos/407101770083556/

Some video of the test.

[Mirek]

The 208 is the very first R2C car to be homologated (due to 1.2T engine).

[Andre Oliveira]

50kg more than Fiesta MK8 R2T

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56837324_2626906914005386_6974435222599237632_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo2-1.fna&oh=82b2acd31e4491e991143872ca618c48&oe=5D4710F0&dl=1
https://scontent.fopo2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57131033_2626906927338718_7449513834521296896_n.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo2-2.fna&oh=b3f8a15ebfde9f464abd8ddb37869813&oe=5D2D4268&dl=1

[tommeke_B]

50kg more only if the Fiesta R2T is really down to the minimum weight. ;)

[Mirek]

In our championship it also means that the car is in different class than the R2B cars (class 5 instead of 6). In the international it's both RC4.

[Francis44]

I absolutely love the new 208, it looks so good. So this is the first car from Peugeot Sport to actually ditch the 1.6 displacement right?! I guess they will keep it for the new R5.


I like the Fiesta MK8. But could be mental cause i have one ST-Line road car.

I find it strange why M-sport hasn't based the R2 on the proper MK8 Fiesta ST, and did it on a ST-Line. I had my ST delivered last month and I feel like it is already set up as a proper racer even if its a road car, it rides so damn hard.

[Andre Oliveira]

Francis44 the MK8 R5 will be based on ST i guess.

[Andre Oliveira]

In our championship it also means that the car is in different class than the R2B cars (class 5 instead of 6). In the international it's both RC4.

Some confusion yet, but on Sweden they split RC4B as class.