R2 Cars

[Jarek Z]

I'm surprised there were only 450 cars built of the Peugeot 208 R2. I expected more, it was meant to be a "cheap car" for young drivers after all...
https://www.fiaerc.com/new-erc-bound-208-r2-tests/

[Mirek]

I'm surprised there were only 450 cars built of the Peugeot 208 R2. I expected more, it was meant to be a "cheap car" for young drivers after all...
https://www.fiaerc.com/new-erc-bound-208-r2-tests/

What do You base Your assumption, that it's not much, on? Do You have any comparable numbers for other R2 cars like C2, Fiesta or Adam?

[Jarek Z]

What do You base Your assumption, that it's not much, on? Do You have any comparable numbers for other R2 cars like C2, Fiesta or Adam?

No, sorry, I don't have any comparisons. I just thoght that if the number of Peugeots R2 is lower than the number of combined sales of Skoda R5 and Ford R5 ( 450 < 500 ), then it is not much. After all, Peugeot 208 R2 was designed as a "cheap" car for young drivers, it was widely promoted by Peugeot Sport, local Peugeot dealers around Europe, there were many cup series in various countries and... at the end of the day... just 450 cars after 7 years on sale...

[Jarek Z]

Does anybody have the same problem like me? It's harder and harder for me to use the Rallyforum...
https://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?40207-Error-while-logging-in-Failed-login-quota-Why-does-it-happen

[Sulland]

New 208 looks like it is early in the testphase looked like it needs more work on suspension.
Cool engine sound on the 3 cyl.

Look of car is very nice for a R2.

[Tarmop]

R2 market has many different makes, Fiesta R2 is used as the entry level car in WRC etc...go figure.

[Mirek]

R2 market has many different makes, Fiesta R2 is used as the entry level car in WRC etc...go figure.

Don't know what have You react on but there are more R5 manufacturers than R2 despite R2 being around for many more years.

[Jarek Z]

Don't know what have You react on but there are more R5 manufacturers than R2 despite R2 being around for many more years.

Exactly. How many R2 cars are there? 3 or 4...

[TheFlyingTuga]

Exactly. How many R2 cars are there? 3 or 4...

Officially 7

C2 Max
Fabia
Twingo
208
Fiesta Mk7 (atmosferic 1.6 and then 1.0 Ecoboost in the facelift)
Fiesta Mk8
Adam

There was a Polo and a Lada built under same regulations, but I don't think that they had FIA homologation

[Tarmop]

Yes, 7+ those extras. Also i know some situations, local cups to be more exact, where one has dirven a Fiesta R2....level playfield, in order to get an advantage, changed it for a 208. This applied for the previous generations.

[Jarek Z]

Officially 7

C2 Max
Fabia
Twingo
208
Fiesta Mk7 (atmosferic 1.6 and then 1.0 Ecoboost in the facelift)
Fiesta Mk8
Adam

There was a Polo and a Lada built under same regulations, but I don't think that they had FIA homologation

Thanks for the list, but... out of all those cars only 4 were used on a regular basis.

[Tarmop]

More, just that some of them are well over ten years old today, when it was Grp. N, A and purpose-built S1600 times. These times still last, as those old grp. N and A cars today are cheap and with lots of knowhow and parts. A road-going one for the basis can be bought for around 3k eur. Ready-built ones around 10-25k eur. Also there are other interesting choices now available for a lot less like M3`s for example. Leaves us mostly wealthy youngsters trying to aim for the international series` buying-renting them.

[Andre Oliveira]

Rumours about Renault Clio R2T.

[PLuto]

Unfortunatelly, it looks like that modern "R2T" cars will be more closer to R3T than R2...

[Rally Power]

https://carmag.co.za/upload/articles/2019/05/781255682_4.jpg

Btw, the new Corsa will be released soon; same platform and engines from the 208. Let’s hope a R2 version won’t take long.

[pantealex]

https://carmag.co.za/upload/articles/2019/05/781255682_4.jpg

Btw, the new Corsa will be released soon; same platform and engines from the 208. Let’s hope a R2 version won’t take long.

Is Opel doing R2T ?

btw. Citroen C3 and DS 3 and few "SUV" are also "same" cars than 208 and Corsa.

[Rally Power]

Is Opel doing R2T ?
btw. Citroen C3 and DS 3 and few "SUV" are also "same" cars than 208 and Corsa.

Hope so, a rebadged 208 R2T would cost very little and it'd be a fine replacement for the Adam. Anyway, it was told by PSA bosses that Opel would return to motorsport after returning to profits and that already happened last year.

Btw, the current C3 is still based in the old PF1 platform. The DS3 Crossback inaugurated the new CMP platform last year, followed this year by the 208 and the Corsa.

[Sulland]

Lets see what will be the quickest car, R2B Fiesta or the R2C 208?
Will larger engine volume trump 50 kg less weight?


The 208 is the very first R2C car to be homologated (due to 1.2T engine).


50kg more than Fiesta MK8 R2T

https://scontent.fopo2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/56837324_2626906914005386_6974435222599237632_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fopo2-1.fna&oh=82b2acd31e4491e991143872ca618c48&oe=5D4710F0&dl=1
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[tommeke_B]

That's the minimum weight, how much does the new Fiesta R2T really weigh? I remember in the beginning of S2000 the minimum weight was lower than anyone, apart from the works Fiat team, could achieve. Then they raised it...

[Mirek]

That's the minimum weight, how much does the new Fiesta R2T really weigh? I remember in the beginning of S2000 the minimum weight was lower than anyone, apart from the works Fiat team, could achieve. Then they raised it...

Not even Abarth. As far as I remember they were around 1170 kg in Barum 2007 when 1100 kg was still allowed (I know that at some other events it's possible to run lighter sumpguard etc. but the difference was still too big).

[Jarek Z]

Test session of the new Peugeot 208 R2, with Bonato and Franceschi at the wheel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z7s7F0YqLI

[Rally Power]

Test session of the new Peugeot 208 R2, with Bonato and Franceschi at the wheel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z7s7F0YqLI

Sounds terrible but looks faster than the current R2. Anyway, it’ll be a crime if Peugeot doesn’t release a R5 version; it’d look smashing!

Btw, it went under the forum radar but Renault is also sorting R1/R2 versions of the new Clio 1.3T; apparently the R1 model (180cv) will be initially released to be used in one make series but a R2 kit could soon follow. Public presentation during Rallye Couer de France (28/30 Sep).

https://www.renaultsport.com/local/cache-vignettes/L1366xH752/6d7084f2c953952d3d14f48332de24-079f3.jpg?1567774346

[TheFlyingTuga]

@RallyPower, from what I heard from someone who knows his business around Renault Sport, the Clio will be again a R3T car.

[Got Mail]

@RallyPower, from what I heard from someone who knows his business around Renault Sport, the Clio will be again a R3T car.

I've heard it'll be a 1.3T R2C.

[Rally Power]

@RallyPower, from what I heard from someone who knows his business around Renault Sport, the Clio will be again a R3T car.

That would be a surprise. The new R1/R2/R3 rules have turned R1 into a sort of R2- and R3 into a R2+, as they all can now get a 5 speed sequential gearbox and a turbo engine up to 1333cc (with tuning levels upgraded according to the class). The new Clio has 1323cc and Renault Sport main aim is to provide an economical car for their rally cups; it’d be strange if they choose to develop it under the more expensive R3 class.

Anyway, from what I’ve heard (and mostly read) RS will start with a cheaper Clio (limited to 180cv) for rally cups use (probably a R1 or a ligth spec R2) and later provide a Kit (full R2 or, less likely, R3) for the drivers/teams eager to figth for 2wd wins. At the end of the month we’ll know better.

[Ricardo Filipe Matos]

Does anyone know if the FIA ​​has ideas for a new kit car category but 2wd?
And by the way, besides the next 208 and Corsa R2, are there other cars coming in the near future?

[Mirek]

Clio

Why another kit cars?

[Ricardo Filipe Matos]

Rather than reforming the R3 category, FIA ​​could make a R4-KIT category but with 200hp and 2wd.

[Mirek]

I don't see any point in doing that and absolutely no chance it could succeed.

[Ricardo Filipe Matos]

Clearly the FIA ​​should not have such an idea in mind but I think they should make for a larger amount of 2wd cars. A new Maxi kit cars from the 90s.

[Mirek]

Nobody needs super expensive cars useful only on asphalt. Neither the customers nor the manufacturers. FIA shall work on promoting more R2 and R1 among new manufacturers. That's more than enough if they do it properly.

[Ricardo Filipe Matos]

First I think the cost of a small kit with just the essecial applied to the production car would be much cheaper than an R2. Then I think that not even with 4 more models of R2 would grow the lists of subscribers of the world, in my view the R2 only server for national and European.

[Tom206wrc]

So then first unofficial result for the 208 R2T(because not homologated yet)in Spain(Rally Comunidad de Madrid): 11th overall with Efren Llarena the european junior champion at the wheels ;)

Difficult to judge the performances/pace though, as there were no Ford Fiesta R2T on the event, only the drivers of the Peugeot Cup Iberica :mark:

[Rally Power]

So then first unofficial result for the 208 R2T(because not homologated yet)in Spain(Rally Comunidad de Madrid): 11th overall with Efren Llarena the european junior champion at the wheels ;)

Difficult to judge the performances/pace though, as there were no Ford Fiesta R2T on the event, only the drivers of the Peugeot Cup Iberica :mark:

According to eWRC time board, the new 208 was 0.6s/km faster than the current one. That’s quite promising.

[Mirek]

Hard to judge without a chance to somehow filter the influence of the driver. For sure it's good but how much? I guess we have to wait for more events.

[Rally Power]

Top Iberica 208 Cup drivers are pretty fast; P2 Antunes was in Larena’s pace on a couple of U27 ERC events this year.

[pantealex]

So is it officially 208 R2T or Rally4

What is real "FIA" name for 2020 ?

[Oops!]

Rally 4

[Mirek]

So is it officially 208 R2T or Rally4

What is real "FIA" name for 2020 ?

Even by the old designation it's not R2T but R2C (the funny thing is that R2C exists since forever but nobody ever built a car until now) :D

[Andre Oliveira]

Today, test Peugeot 208 Rally 4 at Viso Stage:

François Delecour
Efren Llarena
Ricardo Costa Jr.
Carlos Fernandes
Mário Castro
Pedro Antunes
Hugo Lopes
António Dias

Pics of Ricardo Oliveira

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELYBwDLXkAAgqVD?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELYBwDGWoAEZAwx?format=jpg&name=medium
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELYBwDKWsAAG-0u?format=jpg&name=medium

[Andre Oliveira]

REINIS NITIŠS ANNOUNCES TWO-YEAR RALLY PROGRAM

Double FIA European Rallycross Champion Reinis Nitišs has taken up a new challenge in his motorsports career and will do full season of the Latvian Rally Championship and Estonian Rally Championship in 2020 in order to prepare for the 2021 ambition – making a debut at the FIA Junior World Rally Championship.

For almost a decade Reinis Nitišs has been involved in rallycross and during this time he has claimed two FIA European Rallycross titles (2013 Super1600 category; 2018 Supercar category), has stepped on eight FIA World Rallycross Championship podiums, finished third in overall standings in 2014, and is still the youngest ever winner of the World RX event. Besides all that, throughout these years, as part of his training program, Nitišs has done several rallies, and, despite the lack of experience, shown some good performance and potential.

“Last few months have been very busy. Decision making process, planning, assembling the team, buying the car and training – all that has resulted in the biggest change in my career. And I am sure that for many this will seem a very unexpected move. Rallycross is very action-packed sport and, despite the fact that last season showed my potential to be amongst the very best, the financial side of the rallycross cuts my chances of making it to any top team for the full season run,” says Reinis Nitišs. “This is why I take on this new challenge, where we can drive a full season, set targets and fight for them.”

Nitišs will team up with well experienced co-driver Andris Mālnieks in a front-wheel drive Ford Fiesta R2 car. The plan is to gain as much experience as possible in 2020 by participating in almost every rally in the Baltics and fighting for the class titles in Latvian and Estonian Championships. Depending on opportunities and possibilities Nitišs / Mālnieks might also start in other regional rallies in Europe.

“I know that I am starting on the back foot comparing to other young rally pilots, who have been in this sport for several years. This is why we chose 2020 as a practice year – learning the specifics of the sport, improving my skills and doing lots of training. That still does not change the fact that we will fight for the titles in the Baltics,” adds Nitišs.

The ambition is to use the gained experience of 2020 to take on the FIA JWRC season in 2021. Throughout the both years experienced coaches and mentors like Mattias Ekström and Māris Neikšāns will help with the development process and training.

“In the last few years Reinis has proven himself in rallycross. He has speed and talent. I also believe that he has intelligence and understanding of the sport to become a great rally driver,” says Mattias Ekström, FIA World RX champion, double DTM champion.

“We have done several rallies and training sessions with Reinis and our cooperation has always been pleasant and professional. We have set high targets for ourselves and we know that achieving those will not be an easy task, but we are prepared to work hard for it,” says Andris Mālnieks. “In rallycross a big part of performance sits on the shoulders of the driver, but in rally result also depends on cooperation with the co-driver. Making the pacenotes and hearing the them will be a crucial part of the training and one of the biggest challenges for the 2020. This is also a part that I can help Reinis to develop with my vast co-driving experience.”

“I am grateful to my supporters and team around me that are backing up my new challenge, and I am full of motivation to achieve the set targets. 2021 will be the next step up the ladder, when we will race against the best juniors of the rally world,” concludes Nitišs.

Reinis Nitišs participation in rallies is possible thanks to the support by Circle-K, Ginalas, Ošukalns, Citadele, Latvijas Gāze, Pafbet, Vizionette, Rīgas Brīvosta, the city of Jēkabpils, Gefa Latvija, If apdrošināšana, Dynami:t, Rimi, Zebra, DELFI, and RA Events.

Provisional 2020 calendar of rally events:

7-8 February Rallijs Sarma Latvia LRC ERC

21-22 February Rally Alūksne Latvia LRC ERC

15-16 May Rapla Ralli Estonia ERC

29-31 May Rally Liepāja Latvia LRC / BRT

19-20 June Viru Ralli Estonia ERC

24-26 July Rally Estonia Estonia LRC / ERC / BRT

14-15 August Rally Rokiškis Lithuania LRC / BRT

28-29 August Lõuna-Eesti Ralli Estonia LRC / ERC

9-10 October Saaremaa Ralli Estonia ERC

* LRC – Latvian Rally Championship
* ERC – Estonian Rally Championship
* BRT – FIA European Rally Trophy Baltic Rally Trophy

[Tom206wrc]

Already about a hundred of orders for the new 208 Rally 4 :eek:

Do you have names of drivers/teams in your countries(or other)who have already bought the new Pug :confused:

[PLuto]

Already about a hundred of orders for the new 208 Rally 4 :eek:

Do you have names of drivers/teams in your countries(or other)who have already bought the new Pug :confused:

There is plenty of interest, but I think almost nobody bought it until now...

[pantealex]

I´m pretty sure that MSport has sold more Rally4 kits + cars than P208 Rally4
and stlll number of those Fiesta Rally4 is way less than 50

[Tom206wrc]

This is NOT the point of view of the new Peugeot-Sport boss himself, François Wales :mark:

Rally-News reports he clearly said almost 100(non cancelled)orders of the 208 Rally 4 and that he will do everything despite the Covid 19 to honour these orders along 2020 season… ;)

He also said that the one-make cups are priority(so the french 208 cup and the spanish/portuguese Peugeot Cup Iberica)...

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like TRT from Hungary bought one or several 208 Rally 4 :confused:

http://automotor.hu/sport/portugaliaban-es-magyarorszagon-epulnek-a-peugeot-raliautok/

[pantealex]

Looks like TRT from Hungary bought one or several 208 Rally 4 :confused:

http://automotor.hu/sport/portugaliaban-es-magyarorszagon-epulnek-a-peugeot-raliautok/

Why are you writing Rally4 news to R2 discussion ?

There is own discussion for Rally4 cars, use it !!!