Ott Tänak - Future champion?

[meh]

why so many people feel tanak will retire?? and I'm feeling he will continue in Toyota in 2023 no matter how latvala think. it's the Mr toyoda who make the decision

It's not about our feelings, it's more about his. Retirement comments came from him as he said he first need to check what is the situation in family (due to health issues) and then comes "which team" question.

[meh]

The final reason you mentioned in the end is about rally2?

The final thing: "One more thing. It was Adamo personally who hired/convinced him to join. They seemed to match quite well, and we know how that developed - Adamo left. Another reason, why he joined, didn't realize or do not exists anymore."

No, I didn't have any Rally2 topic in my mind. Just human connection and match between Adamo and Tänak.

[1988senna]

It's not about our feelings, it's more about his. Retirement comments came from him as he said he first need to check what is the situation in family (due to health issues) and then comes "which team" question.

many years ago ogier said the same.but he finally make the decision in 2021. Can't trust what tanak say

[AndersX]

Bcs Ogiers situation was way different. Obviously many have missed a small bit of info that circulated here somewhere in the spring, for short while, about the "family" argument. My prediction is that Tanak will take a semi-active pause in 2023 and then, possibly, returns in 2024 if all is good with family matter; and situation would be way different in Team/Driver market.

[seb_sh]

Bcs Ogiers situation was way different. Obviously many have missed a small bit of info that circulated here somewhere in the spring, for short while, about the "family" argument. My prediction is that Tanak will take a semi-active pause in 2023 and then, possibly, returns in 2024 if all is good with family matter; and situation would be way different in Team/Driver market.

Tanak himself has also hinted at issues at home and needing to spend time with his family. That may be more important than any logic involving cars, teams, money etc. My gut also says some kind of part time program, european rallies.

[bandit12]

What is the issue that Finns have with this Tänak?
Social media, forums and the press are full of posts that is rather derogatory.
Where does it come from?
On the other hand, even from this forum i can see how Estonians have a rather positive attitude towards Finnish competitors

[AnttiL]

What is the issue that Finns have with this Tänak?
Social media, forums and the press are full of posts that is rather derogatory.
Where does it come from?
On the other hand, even from this forum i can see how Estonians have a rather positive attitude towards Finnish competitors

I can only speak for myself, I have always been happy about his success.

[meh]

What is the issue that Finns have with this Tänak?
Social media, forums and the press are full of posts that is rather derogatory.
Where does it come from?
On the other hand, even from this forum i can see how Estonians have a rather positive attitude towards Finnish competitors

Personally I don't have the impression that Finns in general are against Tänak. But I don't follow Finnish media and forums that much as well.

But some ideas:
* Tänak's personality is quite polarizing - you like him a lot or you don't like him a lot. If those "not likers" are loud, it may give the impression that all finns are against him. But if to dig in French or Belgium forums (random examples), could we make same conclusions? I guess so.
* Toyota is pretty much Finnish team, and Tänak left it.
* Tänak didn't mach well with Finnish multi-time world-champion Mäkinen (pretty much the same like last point)
* Manager Timo Jouhki have been critic for Märtin-Tänak quite a lot
* Tänak is one of the main competitors for Fins new start Rovanperä

And again - nation-wide abstraction is not maybe the best.

[AnttiL]

* Toyota is pretty much Finnish team, and Tänak left it.
* Tänak didn't mach well with Finnish multi-time world-champion Mäkinen (pretty much the same like last point)

These points apply to Lappi as well.

[manthey]

Personally I don't have the impression that Finns in general are against Tänak.
* Manager Timo Jouhki have been critic for Märtin-Tänak quite a lot
*.

Why Tanak&Martin are criticized?

[meh]

Why Tanak&Martin are criticized?

It was during last Tänak-driven-silly-season in 2019. There are only few payable seats available, Jouhki and Märtin/Tänak are competitores to find best options and fill them. Maybe something else, I don't know - probably finns can give more info here. It was just my brainstorm potential influencers.

[flat_right]

Why Tanak&Martin are criticized?

This verbal war between Jouhki and Tänak/Märtin has been going on quite a while actually. And for me it seems that the initiator has always been Jouhki who publicly or anonymously tells/leaks something bad about them to the media. Maybe he hasn't got over that he didn't get Tänak under his wing in the beginning of Tänak's career when he had a chance. Jouhki's last champion before Rovanperä was Mäkinen and maybe he was under some mental pressure from himself. Now, when he has Rovanperä, maybe he is afraid and leaking some bad things about Tänak to media. Can't blame him, who wouldn't be afraid if there is a chance of Tänak joining Rovanperä in Toyota.

[cali]

That Ilta-Sanomat piece sounds like someone has been bought some campaign piece in that newspaper. Also they write that Tänak/Märtin have unheard arrogancy but doesn't give any concrete examples. Also, which is to me very funny as they blame Tänak for unheard of straightforwardness and that he speaks his mind unfiltered, which to me sounds more like a good thing :D but in this piece it's very bad :D. I guess in the West they have gotten so used to political correctness that speaking your mind is such a terrbile thing. And coming from finns that is even more funnier bcs most of the finns I know have no-BS no-fake-correctness attitude.

Behind that piece I see Jouhki's hairy hand but whatever the decision is to be, it's out of finns hands and if Akio wants certain drivers in the team then so it will be. We just have to wait and see.

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[masa90]

I think Ott is nice and different character in the sport. It is good to have different kinda of people and not all the same.

[jonkka]

That Ilta-Sanomat piece sounds like...

...sensational yellow press BS that they tend to print. I don't read that paper and I strongly recommend you (all) don't either.

[cali]

I think Ott is nice and different character in the sport. It is good to have different kinda of people and not all the same.And he's stubborn ass sometimes as well but that's the way it goes.

Ehh fun times...

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[becher]

In 2021 it was announced that both Neuville and Tanäk sign new two year deals with Hyundai. So there was probably a exit clause in there, anybody got any details regarding this?

[flat_right]

In 2021 it was announced that both Neuville and Tanäk sign new two year deals with Hyundai. So there was probably a exit clause in there, anybody got any details regarding this?

It was even said to be "multi-year contracts" when it was announced, at least for Neuville but the understanding was that both had similar contracts. But it turns out that Tänak had an exit clause there which I think was a smart move considering the troubles he had in the past two years. Maybe it was just 1+1 or 1+2 years with driver option so he could evaluate how he would like to continue.

[AnttiL]

These contracts could be very complicated. Maybe a clause about the car performance level, or maybe something that if they fail to win the manu title, he is free to go (since the announcement came right after Toyota secured the title)

[WRCStan]

Possible the split was mutually agreed and not in any terms.

[mknight]

"Contract what contract ? What I say goes !"

- Adamo Says parody Twitter

[TypeR]

Every contract can be ended earlier, Tanak's one isn't anything different to make a big thing about it..

[cali]

If anyone has interest on the businesses Tänak and Märtin are handling, heres a pretty good overview. Alignes well on what I have heard as well.

https://www.iltalehti.fi/ralli/a/1e5a216b-28ae-4cad-bdf1-457024c83b35

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[bandit12]

Tänak- a pain in every Finnish journalist ass.

[TypeR]

Is having a side business something illegal?
Estonian friend said that all such information(about companies/owners) is free to watch for everyone and this guy just wants to look like a sherlock..

What about some drivers who have moved from Finland to Monaco.. :D

[EstWRC]

New job revealed https://twitter.com/dirtfishrally/status/1591331723518046208?s=46&t=hG2TKRylg75t5zbopKMx6w

[cali]

Guys chill down. Apart from the headline which mentions "secret business venture" the piece itself is very informative and gives pretty good overview of their ventures.

I wouldn't take this as a negative writing at all, just ignore the headline as Iltalehti is sensationalist newspaper and everybody is after clicks creating some mystique around the articles.

The content itself displays well the usual business schemes in Estonia, just now we have some recognisable international stars and their ventures uncovered. I wish them well and success in their doings though it's reported that Märtin is pretty much an assh@le to deal with. Those seaside Kalaranna properties are well known for a long time that they own almost all commercial properties there and I have mentioned this many times here.

Business as usual.

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[TypeR]

Happpppy holidays!

Nice photo from Ott on his IG:
https://www.upload.ee/image/14744446/Screenshot_20221213_212251_Instagram.jpg

[jparker]

I think this thread needs to be archived. The topic name is no longer relevant.

[drive]

easy done - just rename to Future champion again? .... but I think its not the biggest problem on this forum... everyone here knows where to post or to read about the latest gossip/news/thoughts about Ott... lets not 'archive' the story, to many files are already archived/hidden and so on in our lives were... I dont mean here, just overall ...

[EstWRC]

another betsafe interview is coming soon

https://www.instagram.com/p/CmJkgOQNTMC/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[flat_right]

I think there is quite a big chance that we will get Betsafe interview with mr. T. At least he was in their studio and they still have some kind of a deal.
I personally can't wait it any longer! We have gotten quite good info/backstories from him from the past years when he has done them. Those interview links are copied below.

https://youtu.be/OQgVFKPWN2k

https://youtu.be/FtVEwxlp5_8

[flat_right]

Ott himself also confirmed it in his story. NICE ;)

[EstWRC]

Betsafe interview is out but no ENG subs at the moment

https://youtu.be/5kNFOnYgVIg

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Estonian rally legend Ott Tänak said in the Betsafe podcast that his goal for the next season after joining the M-Sport rally team is to win the world championship.

Tänak admitted that after the Catalunya rally, when his decision to terminate the contract with the Hyundai factory team became public, he did not have any spare options "in his back pocket", but contact with M-Sport manager Malcolm Wilson was established quite soon. "Then there was still the Japanese rally left. We started to investigate what the possibilities are and what their capabilities are and what they plan to do in the future at what level," said Tänak.

Ralliäss admitted that Hyundai developed a lot during the year, and unlike Hyundai, the M-Sport car is unfamiliar to him today. "Certainly there is a lot to discover, but people are very enthusiastic and definitely want to prove that, after all, it is a small team, but at the same time, everyone has a big sporting spirit," he said.

Tänak believes that, like Toyota, it is possible to do great things in M-Sport. "Certainly we put ourselves in a difficult situation to some extent, we are going into the season without having driven a single meter with this car in different conditions, but at the same time I believe that this system will definitely help," said the rally man.

Tänaku's contract with M-Sport will initially last for one year, during which he aims to achieve the title of world champion. "It was actually possible in Toyota's year. We had some weaknesses there, which eventually left us out of the game, but everything is possible, you just have to be practical."

"To some extent, maybe being in a slightly weaker position than others is motivating, but at the same time, I see that it is possible to turn this situation around with work," said Tänak. "All the drivers and all the teams are very top level and everyone knows what they are doing, but I believe we have our chances."

[meh]

Nice interview. Really politically correct, no bad words towards anybody.

With lack of testing days for him, others (title contenders) have quite some handicap in the beginning of the season.

[EstWRC]

Watched it now. Nothing really groundbreaking was told this time

- he didn’t enjoy the final rallies anymore and just felt it was “thing he must do”

- the host asks that maybe it would have been sensible to stay at Hyundai for next year cause the car finally was coming together but Ott says he didn’t get any clear vision and answer about next year from the team and the construction there is still a mess

- seems to be very very motivated, the host is really surprised when Ott says the contract is only for a year and asks “with this one year you think it is doable to become a champion ?” And Ott doesn’t even hesitate and says yes.

- doesn’t rule out being teammates with Neuville again in the future

- about Greece, his vision is that if they would have swapped the places, the team and him would have sent a message to Toyota and Kalle that it isn’t over yet and we are still fighting with you but instead of that the team raised their hands and showed a white flag to Toyota and Kalle. The host asks if he would have swapped the places and he answers that he has been in that situation (referring to 2017 helping Ogier)

[flat_right]

Some key points to add to what has already been said here.

- He was asked about the Ford test and how the car felt; was it somehow better than Hyundai, but Ott said that it was a totally different car, needs to learn how it behaves, with buttons in different places, etc. But overall, he saw that M-Sport had a bunch of motivated lads and with them, everything was possible. The core of M-Sport has stayed the same when he worked with when he was there.

- Ott said that he and Wilson had been in contact all the time in previous seasons and Wilson has made no secret that he wants Ott back. But it was Wilson who called Ott first when he announced that he was leaving Hyundai. Contact was signed a couple of hours prior to the announcement.

- Did Loeb's performance with M-Sport have any bearing on his decision to join them? He said it helped, but also noted that the performance was very inconsistent and that it was now their job to make it better on all surfaces. The interviewer also mentioned that they were slow on faster rallies, to which Ott replied that Hyundai hadn't won in Finland before, but now they have.

- He considers winning Rally Finland one of his best. How was it possible that two weeks before they lost by three minutes to Rovanperä, and now they managed to win? Ott said that they found some weak points and managed to fix them, plus Toyota didn't think it was possible for Hyundai to make up that much ground and played it too safe.

- There wasn't a concrete reason to leave Hyundai, but all the small things together made him feel that there wasn't a structure in place where they could build something.

- He doesn't care about being number one in the team - to be first, he needs to beat everyone. Now in Ford, it will be the first time in his life that he is effectively number one. In Toyota, Latvala and Meeke didn't do anything that would give Ott a couple of extra points.

- Although the previous generation was the best he had driven, he says engineers have extracted good performance out of Rally1.

- They kept Hyundai Rally2 cars, and he hopes to have more involvement in their development. He has always had an interest in development, and he hopes that something useful for future Estonian drivers will come out of it.

- Hybrid problem that he has had all the time during this season - basically they didn't figure it out as it was all the time something different. All the problems they had with the car - basically lack of development. They homologated the car as it hadn't driven a single meter on the gravel. Neuville's crash hindered the progress a lot as it was their only chassis. He said that in principle Loriaux designed a very good car, just lack of testing made it difficult for them.

- He was also asked about the "not trusting the car" thing he had talked about all season - basically, he had surprises in places where he thought he was safe, and the general idea of how the car should behave in these situations was the opposite of how it actually behaved. This didn't allow him to push to his maximum.

- He didn't say anything bad about anyone, even about Jouhki; he just doesn't understand why Jouhki talks about him as he does.

[flat_right]

Ott is on his way to the US (he took a photo with a world famous Estonian conductor). To meet people at Ford? Doubt that he is going on a holiday there :D

[EstWRC]

Interesting

Shouldn’t they start to test and prepare already and etc. instead of it going to USA

[AnttiL]

Interesting

Shouldn’t they start to test and prepare already and etc. instead of it going to USA

Well, testing is just one day ;)

[EstWRC]

If anyone is interested then one Estonian guy has translated the whole betsafe interview into English

https://www.rallypub.com/interviews/an-interview-with-tanak/

Have a nice read

[wwbroe]

If anyone is interested then one Estonian guy has translated the whole betsafe interview into English

https://www.rallypub.com/interviews/an-interview-with-tanak/

Have a nice read

Really nice and good interview:)

[mknight]

Interesting info was that he says the unexpected handling in Finland was at high speeds due to aerodynamics. That sounds quite weird to me.

I have a bit of an issue with him saying he didn't leave Toyota or Hyundai with any grudge. Tommi and co. looked more than a little upset about it and elsewhere in the interview it says how no team orders in Greece decided it for Hyundai. Both kind of contrary to what he says.

Thumbs up for the interview guy for mentioning "the driver with Kremlin on his helmet". It is rather interesting that he is in a way Skodas best bet for maiden WRC2 win with the new car in Monte. (note that Solberg is not WRC2 nominated). That's a big potential can of worms waiting to.be opened, especially domestically.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

"Let’s say that it would have been a little foolish and a little complicated for us to ask that directly from Thierry who hadn’t won a rally for about a year by then I guess. So for him and for the team it was important for Thierry to win the rally."

Good to see the reason for the team-orders in Greece not being applied confirmed. This is was what I said at the time.

"There were two drives available but one of these wasn’t really an option because I wasn’t ready to do only half a season. I don’t want to do this as a hobby. I want to do it on a professional level and that was only possible at M-Sport."

So he had an option for a part-season, presumably at Toyota !?

[Rallyest]

"Let’s say that it would have been a little foolish and a little complicated for us to ask that directly from Thierry who hadn’t won a rally for about a year by then I guess. So for him and for the team it was important for Thierry to win the rally."

Good to see the reason for the team-orders in Greece not being applied confirmed. This is was what I said at the time.

"There were two drives available but one of these wasn’t really an option because I wasn’t ready to do only half a season. I don’t want to do this as a hobby. I want to do it on a professional level and that was only possible at M-Sport."

So he had an option for a part-season, presumably at Toyota !?

Probably split car with Ogier and Katsuta would have stayed in next gen

[manthey]

It is rather interesting that he is in a way Skodas best bet for maiden WRC2 win with the new car in Monte. (note that Solberg is not WRC2 nominated). That's a big potential can of worms waiting to.be opened, especially domestically.

Interesting, sorry at which point/time he said about skoda / solberg? Thanks

[mknight]

Interesting, sorry at which point/time he said about skoda / solberg? Thanks

He talks (is asked about) Gryazin.

I write that the whole issue is especially interesting now in Monte since Gryazin is Skodas best chance for a win in WRC2. Solberg might be fastest Rally2, but he is not WRC2 nominated.

[Kenneth]

Last year, if the driver was registered to WRC2, being not nominated to WRC2 did matter only in terms of points. In the term of event he was still winner in WRC2 class, wasn't he?

So is it different this year?

[Tom K]

No, he was not. He was winner of RC2 class.

[Eli]

https://twitter.com/msportltd/status/1614895255471493122?s=61&t=0tbJ0Jm2Mv9BkjXX3wKrug

Looking good! As always we can count on M-Sport ;)

[TypeR]

https://www.upload.ee/image/14838317/Screenshot_20230116_100455_Instagram.jpg

[EstWRC]

https://www.upload.ee/image/14838317/Screenshot_20230116_100455_Instagram.jpg

Finally!

Was weird that all the years he was the only one who didn’t have Red Bull sponsorship

[bomber21]

This is a proper pic for the champ!

[TypeR]

Waiting for contract - check
Waiting for livery - check
Waiting for new helmet - coming soon
Waiting for pace with Puma - coming soon
:D

[EstWRC]

Waiting for contract - check
Waiting for livery - check
Waiting for new helmet - coming soon
Waiting for pace with Puma - coming soon
:D

Unfortunately the helmet will now look like all the Red Bull athletes ones. Hard to make difference between them, all looking the same

[flat_right]

I wonder if or how much there will be some Ott Tänak feat. Red Bull merch available?

[RS]

Thumbs up for the interview guy for mentioning "the driver with Kremlin on his helmet". It is rather interesting that he is in a way Skodas best bet for maiden WRC2 win with the new car in Monte. (note that Solberg is not WRC2 nominated). That's a big potential can of worms waiting to.be opened, especially domestically.

I understand why Estonians may be more sensitive about this, but unless there are some links between Gryazin’s family and Putin that I am unaware of it’s a little bit silly to say he has “the Kremlin’s logos on his helmet”. Last time I checked Red Bull was an Austrian company.

[cali]

I understand why Estonians may be more sensitive about this, but unless there are some links between Gryazin’s family and Putin that I am unaware of it’s a little bit silly to say he has “the Kremlin’s logos on his helmet”. Last time I checked Red Bull was an Austrian company.He meant russian flag, you must understand the context

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[AnttiL]

I understand why Estonians may be more sensitive about this, but unless there are some links between Gryazin’s family and Putin that I am unaware of it’s a little bit silly to say he has “the Kremlin’s logos on his helmet”.

https://www.wrc.com/images/redaktion/Season-2021-NEWS/WRC/August/160821-World-NikolayGryazin-Belgium-2021_001_d87a7_f_1400x788.jpg

There's Kremlin on his helmet.

[cali]

No, not russian flag, there was straight logo.. Go check that ork's 2022 Rally Sweden helmet..Wowwww

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[Kras]

No, not russian flag, there was straight logo.. Go check that ork's 2022 Rally Sweden helmet..

Driver who put outlines of his home citys biggest landmarks on his helmet is an "ork"

You people are deranged

[Kalm]

Driver who put outlines of his home citys biggest landmarks on his helmet is an "ork"

You people are deranged

No one has a problem with drivers putting their home citys on their helmets, Nikolay had Russia all over his car for a while, no one had a issue with that, problem starts when from that city a terrorist act is being orchestrated, then you have to make a decision if you are with it or against it. If a Afghan rally driver funded by Bin Laden entered an rally in USA after 9/11, having Kabul city and al-Qaeda painted on his helmet and "from Afganistan with love" on the rear bumper, and people disliked it, does that make these people deranged? Because it is the same thing.

But for sure its not a discussion for this topic, so somebody should clean this up here. Most of the people missed the point of the original post with Skoda and their potential domestic dilemma anyway...

[RS]

No one has a problem with drivers putting their home citys on their helmets, Nikolay had Russia all over his car for a while, no one had a issue with that, problem starts when from that city a terrorist act is being orchestrated, then you have to make a decision if you are with it or against it. If a Afghan rally driver funded by Bin Laden entered an rally in USA after 9/11, having Kabul city and al-Qaeda painted on his helmet and "from Afganistan with love" on the rear bumper, and people disliked it, does that make these people deranged? Because it is the same thing.

It’s not the same. Gryazin did the things you mention (although nothing explicitly supporting Putin?) before the invasion of Ukraine, and as far as i’m aware neither is he funded by Putin. Concede on the helmet, Rally Sweden started the same day as the invasion although of course he would have packed his helmets beforehand.

Sorry for OT but it was raised here.

[manthey]

Most of the people missed the point of the original post with Skoda and their potential domestic dilemma anyway...

Can you explain please?

[mknight]

He had the "art" on his helmet since I believe Estonia 2021. You probably noticed that things have been going on since 2014.



Can you explain please?

I brought it up. Right now he arguably is the biggest favorite out of all Skoda drivers with the new Fabia for a WRC2 win in Monte.

Now Skoda has always valued and promoted Monte win more than basically any rally and for sure they want to promote potential first win with new car.
Mood in CZ just like in all current major Skoda markets (outside of India) is rather negative towards country of this driver.

So imagine the PR if he wins. I can already see how the CZ headlines might look. The damage potential is immense. IMO up to and including scaling down or closing Motorsport activities.See how VW closed Polo R5 operations even after big investments to the car.

I find it amazing that Skoda Motorsport risks so much. Maybe they rely on late service clutch change (wink to a common 2005 Australia fan theory).

[RS]

It would be more of an issue if he was driving for a works Skoda team, but technically at least Toksport is a private team and Gryazin a customer. I don’t see what they can do unless they ban all Russians from driving their car. But then Wimbledon banned Russians from competing last year and it was still won by a woman who was born and lives in Moscow.

[Rallyest]

Maybe you guys should take it to PM or discuss it further in other more proper thread? This has nothing to do with Ott Tänak anymore

[mknight]

It would be more of an issue if he was driving for a works Skoda team, but technically at least Toksport is a private team and Gryazin a customer. I don’t see what they can do unless they ban all Russians from driving their car. But then Wimbledon banned Russians from competing last year and it was still won by a woman who was born and lives in Moscow.

There are 3 different issues:
1. Competition ban which you are mentioning is for FIA or rally organizer (Rally Estonia did ban him). And this is what Tanak was asked about.

Last year there were different levels of hiding him, sometimes he was skipped by WRC+ broadcasts, sometimes not even listed in results/tracking, a few times business as usual.

For Skoda there are 2:
2. Not letting him get the new car, especially as one of the first. Sure if it was half a year after introduction and tons of cars sold it could be difficult, but now in first WRC start with very few cars I can totally see they could keep him from getting it. Either directly or with some excuses.
Note that when he won Sardinia last year nobody cared, cause it was little visible rally with tons of retirements and a car which is everywhere. So delaying when he gets new car would work.

3. Making sure he is less likely to be the fastest Skoda, for example by nominatig Solberg or getting another driver. But that's very indirect and less certain to work. Cais getting the new car helps.



Maybe you guys should take it to PM or discuss it further in other more proper thread? This has nothing to do with Ott Tänak anymore

It is off topic now, but how do you take conversation with 6+ people to PMs I wonder.

[cali]

There are 3 different issues:
1. Competition ban which you are mentioning is for FIA or rally organizer (Rally Estonia did ban him). And this is what Tanak was asked about.

Last year there were different levels of hiding him, sometimes he was skipped by WRC+ broadcasts, sometimes not even listed in results/tracking, a few times business as usual.

For Skoda there are 2:
2. Not letting him get the new car, especially as one of the first. Sure if it was half a year after introduction and tons of cars sold it could be difficult, but now in first WRC start with very few cars I can totally see they could keep him from getting it. Either directly or with some excuses.
Note that when he won Sardinia last year nobody cared, cause it was little visible rally with tons of retirements and a car which is everywhere. So delaying when he gets new car would work.

3. Making sure he is less likely to be the fastest Skoda, for example by nominatig Solberg or getting another driver. But that's very indirect and less certain to work. Cais getting the new car helps.




It is off topic now, but how do you take conversation with 6+ people to PMs I wonder.AFAIK Rally Estonia didn't ban him but it was done by government which did the job for RE easier as they didn't have the need to make any independent decision.

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[Rallyest]

There are 3 different issues:
1. Competition ban which you are mentioning is for FIA or rally organizer (Rally Estonia did ban him). And this is what Tanak was asked about.

Last year there were different levels of hiding him, sometimes he was skipped by WRC+ broadcasts, sometimes not even listed in results/tracking, a few times business as usual.

For Skoda there are 2:
2. Not letting him get the new car, especially as one of the first. Sure if it was half a year after introduction and tons of cars sold it could be difficult, but now in first WRC start with very few cars I can totally see they could keep him from getting it. Either directly or with some excuses.
Note that when he won Sardinia last year nobody cared, cause it was little visible rally with tons of retirements and a car which is everywhere. So delaying when he gets new car would work.

3. Making sure he is less likely to be the fastest Skoda, for example by nominatig Solberg or getting another driver. But that's very indirect and less certain to work. Cais getting the new car helps.




It is off topic now, but how do you take conversation with 6+ people to PMs I wonder.,

Then it is possible to create a new thread named "Nikolai Grjazin" if one isnt made already

[bomber21]

I do not get why all Russians on this planet must be responsible for something their president is doing...

Nevertheless, this thread is about Ott, do not hijack it please.

[Orc]

I do not get why all Russians on this planet must be responsible for something their president is doing...


Thank you!!!

For others, a constructive reply. As a disclaimer: I'm not Gryazin's fan at all, but the ridiculous statements just make me furious, because people connect culture/art to politics again, making a blanket responsibility for the actions of the regime.
1) It's not Kremlin what you see on the helmet, i.e. not the government stronghold.
2) At best, it's Saint Basil's Cathedral, an official UNESCO World Heritage Site and a symbol of orthodox culture for over 5 centuries.
3) Even that is quite stretched, because the outlines on the helmet don't copy it exactly, and it's rather just symbolizes the orthodox architecture style, easily recognized by the very peculiar dome shapes.
For avoidance of doubt, and regardless of the current church division, orthodox belief and architecture style is also the same in Ukraine and several other slavic countries.

So as someone else earlier gave an example of Afganistan: blaming Gryazin for using outlines of an orthodox church on his helmet (which is obviously part of the culture) is like banning the use of crescent on the helmets of all muslim drivers only because of some terrorists.

Be more tolerant, please. After all, the motorsport (and sport in general) should unite despite the politics.

[bandit12]

And all this shit on Tanaks thread?
Good job folks

[Allez Andruet]

https://www.is.fi/ralli/art-2000009332808.html

So how about this, Timo Jouhki reveals he tried to sign Tänak in 2010. Just before signing the proposed 10-year contract with Jouhki, Tänak asked if he could review the conditions together with Markko Märtin. Jouhki was fine with that approach, but obviously there was something Märtin and Tänak didn't like as no deal was ever made. Jouhki had even negotiated a SWRC program for 2011 with M-Sport, but admits that Tänak eventually managed to get a similar program on his own.

Jouhki didn't like the way the Toyota exit was handled (I guess few did) and believes Tänak would have more than just one title by now had he stayed with TGR.

That's an interesting question, just how many more titles would Tänak have, had he signed with Don Timo in 2010?

[mknight]

He probably would have more titles by staying in Toyota, that can be claimed with some certainty.

But speculating what would have happened if he signed different manager in 2010 is completely pointless.

It's not like everyone Joukhi signs gets a title either. More like everyone he signed between Makinen and Rovanpera failed one way or another.
Hirvonen was close multiple times, even though his Subaru start was a disaster (like Tanaks MSport start). Latvala was never close (Neuville was much closer 3 times already) and Suninen didn't even win a rally (yet?).

[AnttiL]

https://www.is.fi/ralli/art-2000009332808.html

So how about this, Timo Jouhki reveals he tried to sign Tänak in 2010.

I'm quite sure I've heard this story earlier.

[flat_right]

I'm quite sure I've heard this story earlier.

I have mentioned this couple of times in this forum, maybe from there :D

[cali]

I'm quite sure I've heard this story earlier.I have missed that part where Märtin has been attacking Jouhki in Estonian media. Can anyone please enlighten me?

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[flat_right]

I have missed that part where Märtin has been attacking Jouhki in Estonian media. Can anyone please enlighten me?


I don't know anything about "attacking" but here is one article where Märtin talks about it

https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/88159671/pikk-intervjuu-markko-martin-ott-tanaku-lepingu-teemadel-kirjutati-igasugu-jama-ja-palju-valet

[Rallyest]

Listened to the interview with Tänak by Jaan Martinson, it draws a so good picture how Ott communicates with what interviews, With dirtfish or with Delfi he is a different person. With Martinson everything is forced and ironic, but with dirtfish he answers more freely and honest

[flat_right]

Listened to the interview with Tänak by Jaan Martinson, it draws a so good picture how Ott communicates with what interviews, With dirtfish or with Delfi he is a different person. With Martinson everything is forced and ironic, but with dirtfish he answers more freely and honest

Yeah, I don't know what's the thing between Ott vs Martinson. I already just get chills from pressing the play button because I know what's coming.

[cali]

Listened to the interview with Tänak by Jaan Martinson, it draws a so good picture how Ott communicates with what interviews, With dirtfish or with Delfi he is a different person. With Martinson everything is forced and ironic, but with dirtfish he answers more freely and honestJust to point out that Martinson works for Delfi

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[Rallyest]

Just to point out that Martinson works for Delfi

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My wording was a little bit confusing, i meant with Delfi/Martinson he is different when talking with any reporter from dirtfish

[cali]

Got it! Yes indeed, with Martinson he just gives random answers and it's clear to see how difficult it is for him to stay professional and I don't blame him. Martinson is a tool!

[tr4m]

I wouldn't say Delfi, I'd say Martinson specifically, because his interviews with Peep Pahv are always better. I've actually stopped looking Martinson's interviews and every time I see It's Martinson who's attending the rally, I feel dissapointed. Ott and him obviously don't have a good relationship and I think it comes down to the questions Martinson asks. They are 90% of the time completely pointless. Asking about emotions, like "How are you feeling?", "Are you afraid that X will do Y...", "Can you beat X?", etc. Ott doesn't do emotions, he clearly hates these type of questions. I'd call them low effort questions.

If you look at Ott's interviews with Molly at the stage ends, it always depends on what she asks. If she asks about technical question, Ott gives proper answers, but when she asks "How was it/how are you feeling" or any other question of that type, especially after a bad stage, you can clearly see the annoyance in his face and that's when the sarcasm leaks out.

Low effort questions = low effort answers, simple as that.

That's why Kalev Kruus has nailed every single Betsafe year-end interview he's done with Ott. He asks detailed questions, questions that took some effort to come up with.

[AnttiL]

If you look at Ott's interviews with Molly at the stage ends, it always depends on what she asks. If she asks about technical question, Ott gives proper answers, but when she asks "How was it/how are you feeling" or any other question of that type, especially after a bad stage, you can clearly see the annoyance in his face and that's when the sarcasm leaks out.

I would disagree. One example is "where did the puncture happen", meaning how long he had to go with that, and the answer was "what do you think, in the stage!".

[mknight]

Yep, he is always a bit of a jerk when talking to Molly, no idea why.

[seb_sh]

He's not at Raikkonen level yet.

[denkimi]

Yep, he is always a bit of a jerk when talking to Molly, no idea why.
He seems to be a bit of a jerk when talking to anyone really.

[TypeR]

cool statements!

but something maybe not so jerk..

Waiting for contract - check
Waiting for livery - check
Waiting for new helmet - check
Waiting for pace with Puma - semi check, SD seems okay

https://www.upload.ee/image/14849757/326438924_2209669272552850_2099202239546589601_n.j pg
https://www.upload.ee/image/14849808/326471080_5757141974399948_3400947674344138752_n.j pg
https://www.upload.ee/image/14849890/326456849_1581372229035565_1254490587978262700_n.j pg
https://www.upload.ee/image/14849898/326454414_487297520260694_2728312606478146058_n.jp g

[EstWRC]

nice one actually!

[ouvreur]

He seems to be a bit of a jerk when talking to anyone really.

If you had a microphone shoved in your face, literally seconds after performing your fairly difficult job at the maximum of your power, at a time when you're probably still mentally processing the last 10, 20 or 30 kilometers of driving one of the most sophisticated racing vehicles that have ever existed trying to figure out what you need to do to go even faster, and asked the same banal questions 200 times a year in your second language... I think you'd get fed up too.

The drivers who are better at dealing with this don't seem to have won many rallies, let alone championships.

The only interviews with Ott worth watching / reading the transcripts of are the ones with Kruus. The rest is all just so dull - none of the boring WRC 'journalism' merry-go-round dares to ask anything too challenging or probing for fear of upsetting someone and losing their meal ticket.

[AnttiL]

If you had a microphone shoved in your face, literally seconds after performing your fairly difficult job at the maximum of your power, at a time when you're probably still mentally processing the last 10, 20 or 30 kilometers of driving one of the most sophisticated racing vehicles that have ever existed trying to figure out what you need to do to go even faster, and asked the same banal questions 200 times a year in your second language... I think you'd get fed up too.

The drivers who are better at dealing with this don't seem to have won many rallies, let alone championships.

LOL. Sebastien Loeb is polite at every single interview.

Interviews are a part of their job.

[ouvreur]

LOL. Sebastien Loeb is polite at every single interview.

Interviews are a part of their job.

He may have been polite enough, but when he was at the top of his game, did he ever say anything particularly interesting?

Did he ever give us any insight into the thrill of being a multiple world champion, usually winning a world championship event?

Or was it all "stage was ok, car was ok, time was ok"... granted he wasn't rude, but it's as much of a jerk thing to give banal response after banal response for 11 years of a professional career in which you're mostly winning by a long way, as it is to be grumpy when you're fighting hard.

I still love Loeb, and I don't judge him for that. For me, the whole concept of the stage-end interview (at least by the sport's own tame 'journalists') is a complete and utter waste of time.

[denkimi]

For me, the whole concept of the stage-end interview (at least by the sport's own tame 'journalists') is a complete and utter waste of time.

Stage-end interviews are one of the greatest things about the sport, it shows them as they really are.
But unfortunately they usually put some dumb chick or asshole there instead of somebody who is actually interested in and cares about the sport. If they would put an ex driver like ostberg there, the interviews would be way more useable.

And perhaps give them 2 or 3 extra minutes at the end of the stage, so they don't need to drive off when they have a problem.

[bandit12]

Seb Marshall was good at stage ends.

[ouvreur]

Sorry to stray momentarily off-topic (it's becoming a theme of this thread), but...

I think those two points would probably make things a bit more interesting. But since the crews seem to spend an age waiting for their arrival time around a kilometre or two before the start of each stage, why not interview them there? They're relatively much more composed, have no excuse to set off up the road after a quick "for me is ok", and are much more likely to give an insightful comment than some bland nothingness of half-thought-out grunt.

For every hilarious Ostberg/Ogier moan about Pirelli, there's a million "stage was ok, car was ok, time was ok" and it's rubbish.

[wyler]

Sorry to stray momentarily off-topic (it's becoming a theme of this thread), but...

I think those two points would probably make things a bit more interesting. But since the crews seem to spend an age waiting for their arrival time around a kilometre or two before the start of each stage, why not interview them there? They're relatively much more composed, have no excuse to set off up the road after a quick "for me is ok", and are much more likely to give an insightful comment than some bland nothingness of half-thought-out grunt.

For every hilarious Ostberg/Ogier moan about Pirelli, there's a million "stage was ok, car was ok, time was ok" and it's rubbish.

i would rather have duties when i'm finished, than before the start.

[AndersX]

I know, there is a long term plan in place, but currently Ott and Ford look helpless against the well developed Toyotas. To lose 55 secs in 1 day without an issue - that is not Tanaks standard. I understand that MR is not representative event, but still you can see - as faster the road, as bigger the gap. Lets hope that down the course of the seasons Tanaks influence will help to develop Puma to some more competitive car. Right now - lets just accept this reality check.

[sinepikohv]

Chris Williams said in an interview that they ran out of time before Monte Carlo to adjust the car more to Tänak's needs. Sweden will shows us better how Ott and M-Sport can fare this season.

[EstWRC]

Yeah let’s give it a more time.

Monte isn’t his strongest event also.

As in 2022 the Hyundai car wasn’t ready for Monte, I just checked the 2021 results with Hyundai, stage times were even worse than today apart from two first stages that he won by some miracle. the next round in Arctic he already won. And later on in the season he was very fast on the gravel and won most stages in 2021 season

What I want to say is that we can’t make all the conclusions based on Monte.

I think nobody didn’t expect from him to come and be close to Toyotas at monte

[EstWRC]

The last time he had such a good beginning of the season was in 2019, then he had 47 points after Monte and Sweden, now 41 points.

Also, it was his 18th win and with this he entered the TOP10 All time winners, sharing the 10th position with Latvala and Mikkola, next one is Markku Alen with 19 wins.

And as I understand its also kind of a achievement that he has won snow rallies with 3 different manufacturers, the only other two guys who have done it are Latvala and Waldegard

[Scaha]

Should someone change the title of this topic?

[Franky]

Should someone change the title of this topic?

Leave the die hard Tänak fans the hope of future championship title

[sinepikohv]

The last time he had such a good beginning of the season was in 2019, then he had 47 points after Monte and Sweden, now 41 points.

Also, it was his 18th win and with this he entered the TOP10 All time winners, sharing the 10th position with Latvala and Mikkola, next one is Markku Alen with 19 wins.

And as I understand its also kind of a achievement that he has won snow rallies with 3 different manufacturers, the only other two guys who have done it are Latvala and Waldegard

Just to clarify: Tänak should be the second to win WRC snow rallies with three different manufacturers after JML. Waldegard won with two brands: Lancia and Ford. He has won Sweden with Porsche as well, but that was in 1970 so when we didn't have WRC.

[bandit12]

Well.
If the president of a competing car brand congratulates you in his press release, that says something too.

[spyros]

Well.
If the president of a competing car brand congratulates you in his press release, that says something too.

Who is?

[bandit12]

Who is?
Mr Toyoda

[ferrial]

Mr Toyoda

https://toyotagazooracing.com/wrc/release/2023/rd02-day4/

[EstWRC]

So, time for a 2024 rumors and news thread with first topic “Tänak back to Toyota?” ;)

[bandit12]

So, time for a 2024 rumors and news thread with first topic “Tänak back to Toyota?” ;)

Nah... Mr Toyoda is just a humble person.

[rp]

Colin Clark’s Driver Ratings:

"We are seeing Tänak at his very best once again – he’s an intimidating force to be reckoned with and when he gets the car that he so clearly wants, he could be all but untouchable once again."

[sinepikohv]

So, time for a 2024 rumors and news thread with first topic “Tänak back to Toyota?” ;)

No need. Just as Ogier's 2023 calendar is actually known, so is Tänak's future. He'll win the championship this year, retire as a champion like Nico Rosberg and will never be heard from again.

You're welcome :D

[Tauri_J]

No need. Just as Ogier's 2023 calendar is actually known, so is Tänak's future. He'll win the championship this year, retire as a champion like Nico Rosberg and will never be heard from again.

You're welcome :D

Would be a perfect ending to his career.

[sinepikohv]

Would be a perfect ending to his career.

I think so too. His career has been up and down so many times that riding off into the sunset on a major high is the right decision. It's one that I'd make if I were him but unfortunately I'm not, of course.

[EstWRC]

i think there is 1 or MAX 2 years left if he doesnt retire at the end of this year already

[omaviga]

Sorry to hijack Ott-s thread. But is anyone here a member of estonian rally forum? Could you post there that no new users are being activated.

[EstWRC]

I’m not there but what’s the reason? Shutting down?

There is barely any life to be honest

[Franky]

Sorry to hijack Ott-s thread. But is anyone here a member of estonian rally forum? Could you post there that no new users are being activated.

Whoever has control over it, has not been activating/confirming new users for ages. The last new users are from 2nd August 2019 and 5th June 2021. No new fresh blood for nearly 4 years does its job.

[omaviga]

Yes, exactly. I have been waiting for a couple of years for my user to be activated.

[Managarium]

I found this photo on my phone.
It's a parking lot near Visinski Vrh - Duga Resa stage of Croatia rally 2022.
MB Vito with EST licence plates.

https://i.postimg.cc/PfDnvLRc/IMG-20220423-090418.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[flat_right]

Ott Tänak: My long-time mentor Markko Märtin has decided to take new challenges in his life. It’s been an incredible journey together with him through all these years in the WRC.
He’s always been able to see things in different perspective and helped me to do big decisions.
I’m forever grateful for everything he’s done for me. All the best for the future!

[Rallyest]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-and-martin-part-company/?fbclid=IwAR1lZ9dRQ0YJcgZYqr0cH3aUFXyDx7w4MVVLOy8o Rac0D0Vf_suE6evLTXY

Five-time world rally winner Märtin told DirtFish: “Of course there’s some sadness after 17 years, but things don’t last forever and I learned the valuable lesson that, sometimes, no good deed goes unpunished…”

Wonder what he means by that, who is this sentence pointed to?

[flat_right]

I wonder is it Ott? Who else has some say in the things related to RedGrey...

[AnttiL]

Interesting when you remember that RedGrey used to be Markko Märtin Motorsport, and now Märtin is completely gone.

[cali]

I wonder is it Ott? Who else has some say in the things related to RedGrey...It very much looks like it

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[cali]

Interesting when you remember that RedGrey used to be Markko Märtin Motorsport, and now Märtin is completely gone.As far as my understanding goes Hilton is not owned by Hiltons anymore etc. It's the way it goes in business but this case smells like a power struggle...

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[tr4m]

Might be Ott, might be someone else, as this article (https://arileht.delfi.ee/artikkel/120170712/ka-arisuhe-sai-otsa-martin-ja-tanak-on-teinud-asja-kaks-suurt-vangerdust) seems to say that Ott did not buy out Märtin's shares, but rather interestingly it was acquired by company owned by the guy who directed Tänak's movie. I'm honestly not smart enough to look at all the companies and their owners/shareholders etc, but based on the article it sounds like Märtin is moving away from rally to property management.

[svstock]

Ott invested into Forus Taxi (10% company share/partnership)
https://i.imgur.com/neLaxSE.jpg

https://majandus.postimees.ee/7751205/fotod-selgus-soorumaa-ullatav-investor-ott-tanak-sukeldub-taksoarisse
https://majandus.postimees.ee/7751369/vaata-kui-palju-raha-paigutas-ott-tanak-soorumaa-taksoarisse
video https://reporter.kanal2.ee/7751372/tanakust-sai-soormaa-taksofirma-kaasomanik

[meh]

Five-time world rally winner Märtin told DirtFish: “Of course there’s some sadness after 17 years, but things don’t last forever and I learned the valuable lesson that, sometimes, no good deed goes unpunished…”


Just the fact that Märtin said it out loud gives hint that something probably went really wrong there. Sad news for a lot of Estonian rally-fans when 2 their heros are spliting up their common goals and coworking. I would like to hear in the future that I interpreted it wrong way...

[linni]

Markko is a person who chooses his words very carefully.

Don`t think we will hear about it, as we haven`t heard yet the real reasons OT leaving Toyota, Hyundai etc.

[TypeR]

Well.. didn't Markko Martin say in some big interview about Tanak to Hyundai, that R5 program was just someone's made up story and wasn't the reason to sign Hyundai..?
Actually came out that R5 deal was true.

Not to begin same topic 100th time again, but leaving Toyota and Hyundai should be pretty clear by today. Ofc we won't know the 100% story, but still things sound logical.

[meh]

Another small piece from DirtFish/Evans on the topic: https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/what-the-wrc-will-miss-without-markko-martin/

[meh]

A bit offtopic ("Ott Tänak") here, but on the larger topic "why rally is so popular in Estonia".

Got free time yesterday and visited cinema - "Legends of the winding road" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK-U18XmkWM).

Rally was first boomed behing iron curtains during soviet time 80+, how many good drivers there were and how they handle or the USSR things.

How they built rally machines. In soviet russia, it was not possible to just buy a car - you needed to have permission from "high level" etc. And how they tuned rally cars with titanium parts or plane parts. Huge part of getting required materials and parts were "you need to know correct persons" and based on corruption. You may have a lot of "wtf" moments when you don't know the soviet system or background.

It's worth watching for 2 reasons:

* to understand the polical idiotism during that time - especially useful when you don't know how "the russian world" works
* to understand why rally got so popular in Estonia (actually I was wondering it myself) - there were a lot of rallystars 1980-1990, and it got popular on that time. It grew entire generation of enthusiasts and those generated new starts like Märtin and Tänak. This is huge momentum for small country like Estonia.

And to be on the topic here - Tänak was also present in the movie (at the very end) to basically conclude what I just wrote here.

Hats off for the movie team to store the memory of that era.

[becher]

A bit offtopic ("Ott Tänak") here, but on the larger topic "why rally is so popular in Estonia".

Got free time yesterday and visited cinema - "Legends of the winding road" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK-U18XmkWM).

Rally was first boomed behing iron curtains during soviet time 80+, how many good drivers there were and how they handle or the USSR things.

How they built rally machines. In soviet russia, it was not possible to just buy a car - you needed to have permission from "high level" etc. And how they tuned rally cars with titanium parts or plane parts. Huge part of getting required materials and parts were "you need to know correct persons" and based on corruption. You may have a lot of "wtf" moments when you don't know the soviet system or background.

It's worth watching for 2 reasons:

* to understand the polical idiotism during that time - especially useful when you don't know how "the russian world" works
* to understand why rally got so popular in Estonia (actually I was wondering it myself) - there were a lot of rallystars 1980-1990, and it got popular on that time. It grew entire generation of enthusiasts and those generated new starts like Märtin and Tänak. This is huge momentum for small country like Estonia.

And to be on the topic here - Tänak was also present in the movie (at the very end) to basically conclude what I just wrote here.

Hats off for the movie team to store the memory of that era.

I'd like to watch this as I have wondered about eastern block rallying and the formula easter stuff, but where can one watch it?

[meh]

I'd like to watch this as I have wondered about eastern block rallying and the formula easter stuff, but where can one watch it?

I think at the moment it's possible to watch it only in cinemas. All other movies by the producer are available for watching (payable) on their homepage (https://sterotek.ee/en/movies/). I expect this to happen with the "Legends of the winding road" as well.

[EstWRC]

Yeah it will come later to their site too

I haven’t managed to watch it myself. We are planning to go with friends in a week or two

[becher]

I think at the moment it's possible to watch it only in cinemas. All other movies by the producer are available for watching (payable) on their homepage (https://sterotek.ee/en/movies/). I expect this to happen with the "Legends of the winding road" as well.

Ok thanks!

[Jarek Z]

Is this movie shown in cinemas, together with all the movies from Holywood, etc.?

[EstWRC]

Is this movie shown in cinemas, together with all the movies from Holywood, etc.?

yep

[Jarek Z]

Great to hear that! I hope many people go to see it.

[meh]

Today, in Estonian media there are stories, were Ott's wife Janika publishes her fight with breast-cancer. She told that she is ready to share the story.

Even it was kind of known, still this info may put a lot of things to different spotlight.

For example - a lot of people, including me, say that one of the bast drives by Ott was Rally Findland win last year. It makes it out-of-the-world more valuable that he was already in Finland when he got the news that wife is in hospital and was ready to go back to Estonia. But he stayed there. Such performance under such pressure.

Cancer is sneaky and dangerous thing, I wish her successful fight with that.

Source (behind paywall):
* https://ekspress.delfi.ee/artikkel/120187338/eesti-ekspressis-janika-tanaku-raakimata-lugu-oleme-otiga-arutanud-et-votsime-haigusest-kaasa-positiivse-kokku-tuleb-hoida

[EstWRC]

She will be also tomorrow on Estonias biggest morning show "Hommik Anuga" to share her story

[seb_sh]

wish her all the best, it's a nasty disease hopefully she can win the fight

[masa90]

All the best to Tänäk family. Hopefully they can win the battle!

[EstWRC]

She will be also tomorrow on Estonias biggest morning show "Hommik Anuga" to share her story

so about this. She discovered it at the beginning of last year, the hardest part was to explain it to the kids, friends and relatives and also loosing all of the hair, and of course the health wasnt good.

At the moment everything is good but she said "cancer patient" isnt confirmed healthy/recovered until 5 years have passed and she is having regular checks. So fingers crossed it doesnt come back

[EstWRC]

The blue dream that Ott, Millener and Wilson talked to become champion in a blue ford this year is unfortunately just a dream.

Everything still looked good after Croatia but the last two rallies have been disastrous and I expect Kenya to be even worse

I hope he wins Estonia and Finland, then I would be satisfied with this season

[cali]

The blue dream that Ott, Millener and Wilson talked to become champion in a blue ford this year is unfortunately just a dream.

Everything still looked good after Croatia but the last two rallies have been disastrous and I expect Kenya to be even worse

I hope he wins Estonia and Finland, then I would be satisfied with this seasonYes, I think this is realistic approach. Just looking at how strong TGR's whole package is I didn't believe this title talk at a least bit. Maybe next year there's a realistic chance when they have seriously worked on the glitches and the setup, this season was always going to be a preparation for 2024.

I can't believe how weak the car is imho but looking back at the 2022 it's no surprise either. It is how it is and corresponds well with previous years.

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[EstWRC]

I’m not really sure we will see him in 2024

I like always even believed for the title this year and after Sweden and Croatia it looked that it maybe even possible.

But yeah like I said also in Sardegna thread, the development also seems to be more backwards atm

[Danny0405]

Personally, I’m pretty sure we won’t see him again in 2024 and I’m not even 100% sure he’ll finish the season (I think he’ll but not 100% sure).

Don’t see how they can continue next year like this with M-Sport, all the more we know MSport can only be in the game financially during the first two years of a regulation.
In addition to that, I don’t see why Toyota would take him in their situation. Rovanpera is the next big thing for the moment even if less impressive this year (take a look to the drivers with Rally1 experience and less than 32yo and you’ll understand the gap with his rest of his generation and even the former one); last team that tries the old fella and the young gun, it ends quite bad for their future (Citroen with Loeb/Ogier). All the more that he is whining all the time (with good reason or not). If they have not taken him in 2023, I don’t see any reason to take him in 2024; Rovanpera is great, Evans is a decent 2nd driver and you can have plenty of options in 3rd shared-car, especially when you’ve Ogier in the rotation if he decides to stay in this role.

Only possibility would be that they reunite forces with Hyundai because it was a mistake for him to leave Hyundai (the car was close to Toyota’s by the end of 2022 season and they have more means than Hyundai). Well, management has changed with Abiteboul and Demaison coming in but can they reunite really after what happened last year? And will Hyundai really want to take back Tanak with his external communication style? Well, not sure at all even if Neuville’s status could be questioned with his average results so far this season.

[AnttiL]

I can't see Tänak returning to Hyundai. Maybe to Toyota, but likely it's another M-Sport year at most and that's it.

[denkimi]

Its amazing how tanak has made increasingly bad choices when it comes to teams. He had the toyota, if he stayed he could have been multiple champion by now.

[manthey]

Its amazing how tanak has made increasingly bad choices when it comes to teams. He had the toyota, if he stayed he could have been multiple champion by now.

help me remember, was the switch to Hyundai due to big projects (wrc and rally2)/ money?

[AndersX]

Its amazing how tanak has made increasingly bad choices when it comes to teams. He had the toyota, if he stayed he could have been multiple champion by now.

Exactly! Who are his advisers? He was winning both with TRG and H and left when cars were on up-wards trend. Not a single Rally with M-Sport without issues.

[meh]

This thread is like retro disco - all the old favorite songs are played again :D

[bandit12]

It wont be last time sadly

[EstWRC]

i still can see him going to Toyota, Evans is underperforming second year in a row and his contract is ending with this year.

Its a BIG if but i wouldnt rule it out.

[satnav]

In this sport we all know never say never for anything is always possible, we've all been here long enough to never be surprised when somebody does something that we didn't think would happen.

[Berke]

The guy is second in the standings and has the same amount of podiums and wins as Kalle. Obviously it's still gonna be a long stretch to win the title but what's all the doom and gloom about? Other teams/drivers aren't setting the world on fire this year either, maybe apart from Ogier.

[EstWRC]

The guy is second in the standings and has the same amount of podiums and wins as Kalle. Obviously it's still gonna be a long stretch to win the title but what's all the doom and gloom about? Other teams/drivers aren't setting the world on fire this year either, maybe apart from Ogier.

was second*

after tomorrow will be 4th presumably and 30 points down from Kalle if things stand

its gloom and doom cause the car isnt neither reliable and not fast and he wont be able to fight for the title with it. He said this also himself couple of rallies ago

[svstock]

Goodwood Festival of Speed 13.07-16.07.2023
In recent interview Ott Tänak told he is going to this event.
Most likely its with M-Sport so they are running WRC rally1 car up the hill on time attack or on rally stage.
The event showcases vehicles from 1902 to 2023 and celebrating motorsport and bike/car culture!

Hillclimb-Length (1.86 km/1.16 miles)
Forest Rally Stage-Length (2.5 km/1.5 miles)
F1 legends, Porsche's 75th anniversary, supercar debuts, 60 years of McLaren, 75 years of Lotus, 30 years of the Festival of Speed, Sebastian Vettel, Lando Norris, Oscar Piastri, MotoGP including Francesco Bagnaia and the legendary Goodwood Timed Shootout. Just some of the things that you can see this weekend at #FOS

It will be live streamed on youtube all days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1x2sVTm3EI

More info: https://www.goodwood.com/motorsport/festival-of-speed/

Confirmation
https://www.goodwood.com/grr/event-coverage/festival-of-speed/2023/7/ford-mustang-gt3-and-dark-horse-to-debut-at-2023-festival-of-speed/
https://i.imgur.com/vXsxDfQ.png

[meh]

I think at the moment it's possible to watch it only in cinemas. All other movies by the producer are available for watching (payable) on their homepage (https://sterotek.ee/en/movies/). I expect this to happen with the "Legends of the winding road" as well.

Seems to be available now: https://dirtfish.com/archive/rallying-behind-the-iron-curtain-estonias-cold-war-heroes/

Movie itself: https://ladamovie.com/

[EstWRC]

I have a feeling we will hear about the retirement decision in coming weeks or a month

Can’t see him at all staying at Msport, definitely won’t go back to Hyundai as his and others drivers driving style is so different and Toyota doesn’t want him

So that leaves nothing on the table

[steve.mandzij]

Sadly he's got nobody but himself to blame, one bad career decision after the other ever since his championship.

[EstWRC]

Sadly he's got nobody but himself to blame, one bad career decision after the other ever since his championship.

Totally agreed.

The decision to leave Toyota is one of the worst ones in Motorsport history. Then to prolong the Hyundai contract two years ago and then to quit it

Weird decisions

[mknight]

To be fair going to MSport looked like a good decision when he did it. But sure leaving Toyota was bad idea.

[Norm75]

Sadly he's got nobody but himself to blame, one bad career decision after the other ever since his championship.
Yes but, seemed everyone on here wanted him to go to m-sport this season so we had top driver in each car.

Seems to be a case of be careful what you wish for.

[Eli]

Yes but, seemed everyone on here wanted him to go to m-sport this season so we had top driver in each car.

Seems to be a case of be careful what you wish for.

I wish he wouldn’t have left Toyota to begin with.

[denkimi]

Tanak has indeed made very strange choices that have all but ruined his career.

It just makes no sense, he was the champion in the best team but he decides to leave. That makes no sense from a sporting view, so i assumed hyundai was willing to pay him a lot more. But then he went to msport, which makes no sence form a financial view. I can't imagine wilson will be paying him more than hyundai.

So if it's not the best car nor the best paycheck he is after, then wat is it?

[Norm75]

At a guess I would say with Thierry set in concrete at Hyundai he probably thought/thinks he would/will have a better chance developing the car to his liking and have a better stab at the championship.
Which may well of been the case if the Puma didn’t keep having problems.

Agree the move from Toyota seemed a very bad move at the time and retrospectively.

[KertR]

In Toyota he got his Title. After that i think he decided to go after money, Toyota i guess didnt want to pay him that amount he asked for, and Hyundai made better offer + that R2 deal that Tänak and Märtin dealed with. After Adamo quit Hyundai, i think R2 deal with Tänak and Märtin also went bad, so Tänak had no benefits staying Hyundai, and maybe after Adamo they were not agreed with Tänaks salary, so he managed to get himself hired at M-Sport, his salary sponsored by Ford. It is my point of view..

[becher]

I think departure from Toyota was more a personal thing wasn't it?

[EstWRC]

I think departure from Toyota was more a personal thing wasn't it?

yes, money wasnt the problem, as far as i know. He got fed up how Tommi and Mia handled the things there, especially with the money that japanese pumped into the project

[EstWRC]

Ott will participate at Saaremaa rally with Virves co-driving

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak-enters-estonian-event-with-virves-as-his-co-driver/



https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230927/7de5a55a164d315a954d73d97679cef9.jpg

[EstWRC]

https://scontent.frix9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/386237549_18387417295031655_363325863375832813_n.j pg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=GcyVIzHzZw4AX9XZ9Fz&_nc_ht=scontent.frix9-1.fna&oh=00_AfDwZRIMKsdlpqvOh08IJVMpZZlEzPuc73PghUAPxCOs Lw&oe=6520F93F
https://scontent.frix9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/386229991_18387417322031655_3027547795684507257_n. jpg?_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=Xy8Co7zzn94AX8ZgcGk&_nc_ht=scontent.frix9-1.fna&oh=00_AfDkVMytB_NwqG1R_WMSLygIaAmzbGIYRqAzvPI3Fp4N NQ&oe=6520B82F
https://scontent.frix9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/386593985_18387417304031655_5172657704060596901_n. jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=49d041&_nc_ohc=GCuh4G6J7cQAX-arOPf&_nc_ht=scontent.frix9-1.fna&oh=00_AfBoj7u6CCO85Fz2x3tPUhkvF_xYumd9MgDXtwTXhyIx aw&oe=6520D39E

[meh]

When I read all those leaving M-Sport and rejoining Hyundai announcements, I don't see Järveoja mentioned anywhere related to Hyundai...

[trykmann]

When I read all those leaving M-Sport and rejoining Hyundai announcements, I don't see Järveoja mentioned anywhere related to Hyundai...


From Hyundai announcement:
With a clear intention to compete at the forefront of WRC in 2024, we will field the proven title-winning line-up of Thierry Neuville and Ott Tänak in our i20 N Rally1 Hybrid next season. The Estonian, alongside co-driver Martin Järveoja, returns to Alzenau with the goal of adding to the five rally wins he claimed during his previous stint with our team.

[meh]

From Hyundai announcement:
With a clear intention to compete at the forefront of WRC in 2024, we will field the proven title-winning line-up of Thierry Neuville and Ott Tänak in our i20 N Rally1 Hybrid next season. The Estonian, alongside co-driver Martin Järveoja, returns to Alzenau with the goal of adding to the five rally wins he claimed during his previous stint with our team.

Good. More coffee needed :)

[linni]

Man, this guy has been driving the bicycle way more than a car.

2481

[meh]

Man, this guy has been driving the bicycle way more than a car.

2481

this what happens when car have too many reliability issues

[EstWRC]

Martin Järveoja isnt a bad driver either, he is leading the estonian crosskart rally sprint championship before the last round

you can read more here https://uus-autosport-ee.translate.goog/uudised/fotod-ja-video-crosskartide-rallisprindi-voitis-martin-juga-sarja-liidrina-jatkab-martin-jarveoja/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=et&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[linni]

Of course, but we are looking at the legs of Ott at the moment. Greg LeMond the Second.
Been doing cycling in the past myself and I know, what does it take to get muscles like this on legs. Thousands of kilometers annually.

[skarderud]

Of course, but we are looking at the legs of Ott at the moment. Greg LeMond the Second.
Been doing cycling in the past myself and I know, what does it take to get muscles like this on legs. Thousands of kilometers annually.Or some good squats, and other weightlifting stuff.



Sent fra min SM-S901B via Tapatalk

[CeskyOndra]

Looks like Ott doesnt skip legs :D

["Username"]

In todays interview to Estonian media, Tänak said that there was no development from M-sport during the season, that was the main reason for leaving. And also said that the problems that Hyundai had in 2022 (for him) are solved and the management sees the car development same direction as he is.
Dunno about that, if Neu has different driving style, it cannot suite for both of them. One has to struggle more or both will struggle with driveability like in 2022.

[EstWRC]

In todays interview to Estonian media, Tänak said that there was no development from M-sport during the season, that was the main reason for leaving. And also said that the problems that Hyundai had in 2022 (for him) are solved and the management sees the car development same direction as he is.
Dunno about that, if Neu has different driving style, it cannot suite for both of them. One has to struggle more or both will struggle with driveability like in 2022.

"It has been finally understood in Hyundai that with the problems and shortcomings that in my eyes Hyundai had in the previous years, no big fish will be caught. Necessary steps have been taken to make the team structurally stronger. They have proven to me that they are willing to really work hard for the titles, and since our visions finally are the same, it seemed that we can do things together," said Tänak in an interview with Delfi.

According to Tänak, he also had negotiations with the owner of M-Sport, Malcolm Wilson, but it did not come to fruition. "We both had an understanding that it would not be possible to pursue my goal together in the near future. Toyota has a strong enough team and there were no other options, because today the series is small enough."

Tänak added that M-Sport's financial capacity was so low this year that it was not possible to develop the car further during the season. "We have not succeeded in creating technical progress. At the beginning of the year we homologated new differentials, but since then there have been no updates and as far as I know nothing is coming. That was one of the reasons why it [the new contract] seemed difficult to me. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get this car working for me either. It has been a difficult year."

[manthey]

"It has been finally understood in Hyundai that with the problems and shortcomings that in my eyes Hyundai had in the previous years, no big fish will be caught. Necessary steps have been taken to make the team structurally stronger. They have proven to me that they are willing to really work hard for the titles, and since our visions finally are the same, it seemed that we can do things together," said Tänak in an interview with Delfi.

According to Tänak, he also had negotiations with the owner of M-Sport, Malcolm Wilson, but it did not come to fruition. "We both had an understanding that it would not be possible to pursue my goal together in the near future. Toyota has a strong enough team and there were no other options, because today the series is small enough."

Tänak added that M-Sport's financial capacity was so low this year that it was not possible to develop the car further during the season. "We have not succeeded in creating technical progress. At the beginning of the year we homologated new differentials, but since then there have been no updates and as far as I know nothing is coming. That was one of the reasons why it [the new contract] seemed difficult to me. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get this car working for me either. It has been a difficult year."

last sentence, so no development and no tied to his driving style and he won 2 races. let's hope he can have a better chance at hyundai and give a great competition vs Kalle

[tr4m]

https://i.imgur.com/wk1ZwIv.jpg

From Ott's boot in Saaremaa rally. Guess they make good lightweight mud scrapers?
Image from Delfi (https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/120237529/blogi-ja-fotod-ott-tanak-voitis-neljandat-korda-saaremaa-ralli-see-ei-tulnud-uldse-lihtsalt#gallery-id=e0ea45f7-acdb-435b-bc1c-d3880e6ab2f7&image-id=3d337956-ea23-4b90-a62e-f6ba7e613d3a)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

In todays interview to Estonian media, Tänak said that there was no development from M-sport during the season, that was the main reason for leaving. And also said that the problems that Hyundai had in 2022 (for him) are solved and the management sees the car development same direction as he is.
Dunno about that, if Neu has different driving style, it cannot suite for both of them. One has to struggle more or both will struggle with driveability like in 2022.

M-Sport's lack of budget this year is probably the reason why they had to spend what they had developing the Fiesta Rally2. This is a car they can actually sell, unlike the Puma.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Tanak won Rally Saaremaa (in said Fiesta Rally2)...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F72oqAVWYAAyVb6?format=jpg&name=large

[meh]

Tanak won Rally Saaremaa (in said Fiesta Rally2)...

Some context for this.

Conditions were "quite demanding" because of storm. Example: https://twitter.com/paddocknews/status/1710563286712811694

Ken Torn provided a bit of overnight thinking for Tänak, as Torn won 2 first stages. Tänak then took 6 stage wins and got some lead, Torn won last 4 stages and Tänak won overall 9.2sec. So it was not easy job.

Virves got some side-effect as co-driver, as got sick (just feeling bad, whatever is correct term in english for that) when did not watch outside.

[RS]

Virves got some side-effect as co-driver, as got sick (just feeling bad, whatever is correct term in english for that) when did not watch outside.

Motion sickness.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

M-Sport's lack of budget this year is probably the reason why they had to spend what they had developing the Fiesta Rally2. This is a car they can actually sell, unlike the Puma.

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-sports-ultimate-fiesta-rally2-set-for-cer/

[Rallyest]

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/m-sports-ultimate-fiesta-rally2-set-for-cer/

Well sad to see that the Puma didnt get as much development as it maybe should, but i think it was and is the right decision to upgrade theyr rally2 car first, since it is the place that bring them money to help develop the next car and current car, hope they can bounce back. But in my opinion seeing all that it was the only and right choice to leave Ford for Hyundai, since Puma will keep falling behind more and more with every rally.

[EstWRC]

as his big fan ill say its really embarassing season beginning, 0 podiums out of two events and two driving mistake or too optimistic note mistakes

His biggest rival and teammate having a win and many stage wins, part time teammate having also win and more stage wins than him, even Formaux having a podium out of two events while he has none.

If he fails also in Kenya then he is in big trouble

Meh

[deephouse]

as his big fan ill say its really embarassing season beginning, 0 podiums out of two events and two driving mistake or too optimistic note mistakes

His biggest rival and teammate having a win and many stage wins, part time teammate having also win and more stage wins than him, even Formaux having a podium out of two events while he has none.

If he fails also in Kenya then he is in big trouble

Meh

I think that problem is he, not all the cars he drove. He needs to sort that out. We need that. Sport need that. Otherwise we will all consider that Adrien and Lappi should be contenders for this year title mix.

[CeskyOndra]

as his big fan ill say its really embarassing season beginning, 0 podiums out of two events and two driving mistake or too optimistic note mistakes

His biggest rival and teammate having a win and many stage wins, part time teammate having also win and more stage wins than him, even Formaux having a podium out of two events while he has none.

If he fails also in Kenya then he is in big trouble

Meh

EstWRC, Im worried that his car will break up in Kenya - its not Toyota and to be honest, his driving style isn't so gentle to the car (same as Neuville) .. they are not like Ogier for example

[EstWRC]

of course it was him, not the car. whats good to take is that he actually hasnt complained about the car.

what was really weird this week about speed wise, on many stages he did a really impressive first split but then as the stage went on, he went backwards and didnt gain or actually lost all of the time, he didnt progress like others.

Ive noticed this also with previous Hyundai stints.

[CeskyOndra]

of course it was him, not the car. whats good to take is that he actually hasnt complained about the car.

what was really weird this week about speed wise, on many stages he did a really impressive first split but then as the stage went on, he went backwards and didnt gain or actually lost all of the time, he didnt progress like others.

Ive noticed this also with previous Hyundai stints.

i've also noticed, this morning first stage (4s sec up on first split but ended same as Katsuta).. but his rallies will ofc come.

[bluuford]

EstWRC, Im worried that his car will break up in Kenya - its not Toyota and to be honest, his driving style isn't so gentle to the car (same as Neuville) .. they are not like Ogier for example

This is interesting, I am hearing from my meteos (who look every stage in every event) that Ogier is the one who is taking the craziest cuts etc. so I am not at all surprised by his punctures :)

[becher]

This is interesting, I am hearing from my meteos (who look every stage in every event) that Ogier is the one who is taking the craziest cuts etc. so I am not at all surprised by his punctures :)

Interesting, smooth looking isn't automatically easy on the car.

[Eli]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwb6vLNPq9I

Surprised you haven't shared this.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwb6vLNPq9I

Surprised you haven't shared this.

Interesting interview and good to hear he's not thinking about retirement. WRC needs characters and he's possibly the biggest.

[Rallyest]

Interesting interview and good to hear he's not thinking about retirement. WRC needs characters and he's possibly the biggest.

Regarding where he sayd he talks to journalist how they are prepared, after croatia, he was giving an interview to Martinson from Estonia and you can see that Martin sees he is talking to him and is laughing :D 2525

[sti123]

Regarding where he sayd he talks to journalist how they are prepared, after croatia, he was giving an interview to Martinson from Estonia and you can see that Martin sees he is talking to him and is laughing :D 2525

This laughter is not related to the interview - Martin was talking to Tomi Tuominen, a Finnish TV presenter- who walked away laughing. You can see this at the very beginning of the video.

[EstWRC]

Very good interview indeed and good to hear that he is planning to continue but....

where has the speed gone suddenly between the seasons? 4 rallies in and just 5 stage wins, even part time drivers Kalle and Ogier have more, still not even a podium from a rally, often fighting speedwise with Taka and Fourmaux than with Evans and Neuville. Neuville is definitely dominating him atm.

If the speed isnt also present in Portugal and the same whining begins, then serious questions have to be asked.

[CeskyOndra]

Very good interview indeed and good to hear that he is planning to continue but....

where has the speed gone suddenly between the seasons? 4 rallies in and just 5 stage wins, even part time drivers Kalle and Ogier have more, still not even a podium from a rally, often fighting speedwise with Taka and Fourmaux than with Evans and Neuville. Neuville is definitely dominating him atm.

If the speed isnt also present in Portugal and the same whining begins, then serious questions have to be asked.

Agree. Honestly, he will be pretty fast in Portugal, I'm sure. He will be fighting with Ogier and Kalle for the win. The question is, will he break the car?

[Tauri_J]

Nah, he'll break the tyres

[rallyfiend]

Interesting interview and good to hear he's not thinking about retirement. WRC needs characters and he's possibly the biggest.

Ott Tanak one of the biggest characters?!

You must have some boring friends....

[CeskyOndra]

Nah, he'll break the tyres

This one was good

[flat_right]

Ott Tänak will start in Rally Estonia ERC event with Hyundai WRC car. Nice! There will be an Estonian Championship event and they will compete there.

https://sport.delfi.ee/artikkel/120298351/ott-tanak-ja-martin-jarveoja-stardivad-tanavusel-delfi-rally-estonial

[EstWRC]

Nice, there is a reason to go now! didnt have it in plans to be honest

[flat_right]

Exactly the same. Was thinking should I go to Latvia or Finland (sadly can't go to Poland which was my first choice) but now this made my decision much easier :)

[CeskyOndra]

https://x.com/i/status/1809475569966342598

Tanak big crash in Estonia, crew OK

[Us44]

Car looks bad https://www.facebook.com/share/r/rA1ucTCPLYb9ECFR/?mibextid=UalRPS

[Eli]

https://x.com/i/status/1809475569966342598

Tanak big crash in Estonia, crew OK

Hopefully that’ll be their worst crash this season and they’ll keep it on the road from now on.

[EstWRC]

really weird one, the car just goes sideways while on jump. nothing they could do there.

Urmo Aava, who was at the scene, commented to the rally radio (Duo Raadio): "I really don't want to comment, they speak for themselves. There was an opinion that the car made some strange moves. Probably some surprise with the differential. The legend and driving line were otherwise correct."

nothing left of the car https://x.com/PowerslideMedia/status/1809495514662015261
https://x.com/Karlip1/status/1809496251655680401

[archie106]

I assume he will have been using a spare engine rather than the new one fitted before Poland?

Glad they are OK, looks like a nasty shunt.

[EstWRC]

I’m sure it was the test car not the actual one.

But that’s also bad news considering testing for Latvia and Finland

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Wow, glad they're ok. I dont like the look of the car with all those panels missing.

That wont help his confidence going into two more very fast rallies.

[CeskyOndra]

Wow, glad they're ok. I dont like the look of the car with all those panels missing.

That wont help his confidence going into two more very fast rallies.

Atleast He crashed now so it is not likely that he will crash during WRC

[EstWRC]

Wow, glad they're ok. I dont like the look of the car with all those panels missing.

That wont help his confidence going into two more very fast rallies.

He Has never let these kind of things to distract him.

And it wasn’t a driving mistake also which usually makes some drivers more cautious

[Fast Eddie WRC]

He Has never let these kind of things to distract him.

And it wasn’t a driving mistake also which usually makes some drivers more cautious
It cant help seeing the car like this though...


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRyxmujXoAETDOc?format=jpg&name=900x900

[mknight]

Cars just don't start turning in the air. He has more power/traction on the left side just as he lifts up.
Hard to say whether that's due to the road (for example if right wheels where on grass/in cut) or for example due to weight transfer.

Not quite sure what diff failure can move more power to one side. Drive axle issue could I guess.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Cant believe these people just standing there and filming after the crash !

https://www.facebook.com/660023932/posts/10162397378728933/

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Clearly a problem with the rear right wheel before the roll...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRyzgXJWsAE4__J?format=jpg&name=medium

[Tauri_J]

Oh my god, Hyundai’s crappy suspension is back

[EstWRC]

Clearly a problem with the rear right wheel before the roll...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRyzgXJWsAE4__J?format=jpg&name=medium

Well. That explains everything now

[Päss1928]

Can you explain what's wrong with it? I can't see it.

[flat_right]

From these pictures I can’t see anything wrong.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/-vj-photography/albums/72177720318514756/with/53837524282/

[Tauri_J]

Very weird, from that low quality picture, the wheel looks like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flKhgo8es_o&t=77s

But from those high quality pictures, looks like suspension is fine

[Tauri_J]

https://youtu.be/QIYBjeDM7gA

a little better video

[Päss1928]

https://youtu.be/QIYBjeDM7gA

a little better video

From this it looks like he lost the rear already before launching into air. Landed too much sideways with too much speed. It didn't land too much on one side but weirdly it still initiated the roll. Without knowing anything it just looks like he overcooked it, too fast in slippery conditions.

[WRCStan]

I'll weigh in with my 3% forensic analysis knowledge and blame the rebound of the compressed suspension lifting the car over the crest, combined with the corner.

[EstWRC]

https://youtu.be/QIYBjeDM7gA

a little better video

IMO still a weird one. The jump just launches the car into sideways.

They know this stage and place well. It wasn’t like a new place.

[Rallyest]

2540

Idk, here looks wheel very weird, but on other ones it looks not like this, weird, maybe it was like this after few rolls?

[EstWRC]

2540

Idk, here looks wheel very weird, but on other ones it looks not like this, weird, maybe it was like this after few rolls?

But the other picture posted here shows it also weirdly just after the launch.

Anyway. Maybe we will hear later on what happened exactly.

[WRCStan]

The photo just after launch looks fine to me, just a silhouette of the wheel at full suspension travel.

[Rallyper]

I think he gives the car a bit too much side momentum just before launching over crest in too high speed. The lift went higher and car was totally wrong direction when landing outside of the corner...
You can see the steering was full left in the air...

[EstWRC]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C9E1wbIIKNo/

when watching this clip with loud volume i hear some kind of bang or noise when he enters the jump

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Aftermath and car recovery. The right rear wheel at 45 degrees like it was on that screen grab...

https://youtu.be/D4Jz1owbOx0?si=IoUjzOb3QUp9XVUD

[Oliverk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxkzNLqOScA

[cali]

Yeah looking at the latest vid sent by Oliverk can clearly see that the right rear wheel is nice and tight where it belongs to be.

Clear driving error, case closed and let's move on.

[Tauri_J]

Damn Thats some crazy footage. Would have been one of the greatest saves but sadly it started rolling

[TypeR]

Amazing how smart some people are! one different angle video and all clear :)

[EstWRC]

watched it with paused and 0.25 speed, still weird to me how the backend just flips to the left suddenly on the jump

i wish they could comment themselves what happened but seems it wont be the case

[Rallyest]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?embeds_referring_euri=https://ralli.ee/&feature=emb_logo&source_ve_path=MTM5MTE3LDI4NjY2&v=BxkzNLqOScA


maybe someone can explain how the front driver side pushes down to the ground so quickly? Aero working like this from an angle? Car is straight and then the left front snaps down and flips the car

[mmm]

Mein smol theory: Rain-soaked gravel was especially soft on the right side, pulling him hard to the right when he braked on the jump.

[WRCStan]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?embeds_referring_euri=https://ralli.ee/&feature=emb_logo&source_ve_path=MTM5MTE3LDI4NjY2&v=BxkzNLqOScA


maybe someone can explain how the front driver side pushes down to the ground so quickly? Aero working like this from an angle? Car is straight and then the left front snaps down and flips the car

Watch the rear left wheel, it's dragged laterally for several frames before the front lands, sending the weight in the body over the top.