WRC Germany 2011 [Archive] - Page 5

tfp

21st August 2011, 12:59

Live streams for the Power Stage:

http://site.myp2pforum.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=126969∂=sports (http://site.myp2pforum.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=126969&part=sports)
http://site.myp2pforum.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=126969&part=sports

Legend:-)

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 13:01

10 minutes

focus206

21st August 2011, 13:03

nothing in English for the streaming?

Pinto

21st August 2011, 13:04

cannot get live streams to work for the power stage any one got links to working ones

Edit i should say to english ones

mm1

21st August 2011, 13:08

nothing in English for the streaming?
+1

6789

21st August 2011, 13:09

This is english but lagging for me here http://www.norwaysport.co.uk/Norgeidrett4

noel157

21st August 2011, 13:10

Here you go, English: Norgeidrett1 (http://www.norwaysport.co.uk/Norgeidrett4)

focus206

21st August 2011, 13:11

Thank you!!!

Luis Pacheco

21st August 2011, 13:14

This german Power stage looks like to me the Legoland...

Pinto

21st August 2011, 13:19

cheer for that

focus206

21st August 2011, 13:20

Gooo Slowson :D

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 13:25

This format should favor raikonen in a great extend..lets see what he can do.

focus206

21st August 2011, 13:30

wow scare for Kimi

EDIT: puncture???

Miika

21st August 2011, 13:34

If that was a puncture then 5 sec down is not a bad effort.

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 13:35

Solberg faster so far :) 0.044 faster than Latvala.

focus206

21st August 2011, 13:36

If that was a puncture then 5 sec down is not a bad effort.

Yes, I think it was a puncture

EDIT: puncture for Mikko too?

Miika

21st August 2011, 13:37

Puncture for Mikko as well?

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 13:37

Hirvonen loses 9 seconds.....in 1 split.

Miika

21st August 2011, 13:38

Power-stage tops the rally for the Finns, splendid.

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 13:38

puncture

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 13:39

Gooooooo mini !!!!!!

Fast Eddie WRC

21st August 2011, 13:42

Great podium for MINI... fantastic :)

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 13:45

1-2-3 for citroen in the power stage.

focus206

21st August 2011, 13:45

Good work Mini, and what a time by Loeb!!!

r199

21st August 2011, 13:51

sordo 2nd in the rally ole ole ole ole

focus206

21st August 2011, 13:52

sordo 2nd in the rally ole ole ole ole
2nd??? :confused:

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 13:53

Very nice rally...

Great result for Citroen.

Great result for Mini

Great result for Ford since Slowson competed in this rally as well and that's all it counts for them. Hope they manage to get the funds to see him in the sport for at least 15 more years.

Tanak did an amazing job...

r199

21st August 2011, 13:53

Loeb and Ogier 2 min penalty

Barreis

21st August 2011, 13:53

Happy about mini.

GigiGalliNo1

21st August 2011, 13:54

What a Great rally this was!!

GigiGalliNo1

21st August 2011, 13:57

What penalty!!!???

tfp

21st August 2011, 13:57

I'm really happy he won this rally. The apprentice showing the master how its done. And to rub salt into Loebs wounds, it was on the rally that he has owned for his entire career! :D

r199

21st August 2011, 13:59

there are a lot of penaltys on the bord 2 minuts for getting early at tc 19z ?? thats what wr. com is showing in the timing?

gon now, maybe something wrong over there? dont know

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 13:59

Why don't the rest of the competitors do the power stage ????

xavier

21st August 2011, 13:59

I am say I am surprised that Ogier could match Loeb speed on this event. He has greatly improved on Tarmac.
He should, however, spent some time to learn good manners. A bit of arrogance is not bad, but now he is borderline moronic. Comments like "there is justice in the sport" after Loeb puncture are a disgrace.
It's bad for the team image and his.
He need to turn his tongue 5 time in mouth before answering reporters!

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 13:59

there are a lot of penaltys on the bord 2 minuts for getting early at tc 19z ?? thats what wr. com is showing in the timing?

don't pay attention...they had the same stupid things yesterday as well.

pete c

21st August 2011, 14:00

Applauds Sordo, great drive.
well done Prodrive .
well done to Tanak, very good drive
Ford, what can i say,very embarrasing for a team that has been in the WRC for so long

21st August 2011, 14:02

WRC Rally Germany 2011 Mistakes Day 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKvWXCqJQLg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKvWXCqJQLg)

tfp

21st August 2011, 14:02

What a Great rally this was!!

:up:

tfp

21st August 2011, 14:04

Applauds Sordo, great drive.
well done Prodrive .
well done to Tanak, very good drive
Ford, what can i say,very embarrasing for a team that has been in the WRC for so long

I must say I expected more from JML after his performances on tarmac last year, Hirvonen actually did quite well if you look at his terrible performance last year:-) Mind you though, hats off to sordo, a brilliant drive and a well deserved podium for mini.

21st August 2011, 14:08

Sebastien Loeb wins the Power Stage.
Sebastien Loeb is the Power Stage winner followed by Sebastien Ogier and Peter Solberg. Latvala not succeed to gain points by the Power Stage.
Ogier takes the second position by the Power Stage at +2.0 sec, Peter third at +3.0 sec while Latvala is at +3.044 seconds. Hirvonen finished the Power Stage with a puncture.

awake27

21st August 2011, 14:10

We are gonna see a puncturefest in France and Spain.

r199

21st August 2011, 14:13

there stil is a time panalty for loeb, 1.40 min ??? not for the rest of the boys

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 14:21

there stil is a time panalty for loeb, 1.40 min ??? not for the rest of the boys

stop taking things wrc.com writes seriously....

the fact that they have an article on slowson every 3 days gives an idea about the people behind the site.

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 14:23

the biggest disappointment of the event has to be Campana.

Jafry

21st August 2011, 14:25

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_rally_deutschland_2011_84471179a5.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_rally_deutschland_2011_66b7a19cfd.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_rally_deutschland_2011_1d18e7d095.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_rally_deutschland_2011_328ce6e1b2.jpg

More photos from last day HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=913&fseason=2011)

focus206

21st August 2011, 14:26

Great work for Citroen, as usual, but expecially Ogier, I thought he wasn't so fast on tarmac.
Good work for Mini too, but they must work on reliability, Meeke again out :(
Good rally for Weijs Jr too, and rally of the season for Kuipers... without the puncture he would have been 6th now.
Instead, I expected something more from Campana and Burkart :mark:
Nothing to say about Ford... everything wrong... how can they expect to beat Citroen in that conditions...

r199

21st August 2011, 14:27

nice moment of Slowson, found it on a dutch forum.

http://www.rallylover.nl/wpimages/wp1fca9a7b.jpg

pantealex

21st August 2011, 14:27

Why don't the rest of the competitors do the power stage ????

?

21st August 2011, 14:28

Sebastien Ogier win Rally Germany 2011.
Sebastien Ogier is the winner of Rally Germany 2011. He won the race with one mistake (WRC Rally Germany 2011 Sebastien Ogier mistake hit a fence - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruvfYtu17mw)) that cost him few seconds.
Second place is for the teammate Sebastien Loeb at +39.8 sec. Loeb lost top position after having a puncture. Third place and the best result for MINI driver Dani Sordo at +1:55.6. Sordo pushing hard without mistakes and set the best result for Mini so far. Forth place is for the Finn Mikko Hirvonen with Ford at +2.43.7. The Finn has couple of mistakes including hitting a wall (WRC Rally Germany 2011 Mikko Hirvonen hit a wall - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYoLxdgXQYY)) and few punctures during the rally. Fifth in overall standing is the privateer driver Peter Solberg with Citroen DS3. Peter has also some problems like out of the road (WRC Rally Germany 2011 Peter Solberg Mistake - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej0apRm6sLg)) and punctures. The Norwegian is at +3:48.0 by the winner Ogier. Sixth place for Kimi Raikkonen at +7:24.6 one excellent position for the Ex-Formula 1 driver.

Josti

21st August 2011, 14:34

the biggest disappointment of the event has to be Campana.

I know he hasn't got much WRC experience nor with driving a WRC car, but he should've at least shown some flashes of brilliance. He hasn't done that once, which is very disappointing for a tarmac driver. Hope he makes more use of his second chance in France.

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 14:41

?

there was a break after the big boys and got me confused...plus the fact that kuipers didn't run at his normal place

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 14:43

I also really hope that the almost non existent sposnorship on the mini will change after this result.

GigiGalliNo1

21st August 2011, 14:49

Do you think MINI need sponsorship? Or you want to see another Castrol Abu Dhabi Latex Nestle Shell Emirate Nokia painted car? :p

uranium

21st August 2011, 14:56

More photos from last day HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=913&fseason=2011)

The 33d is the best ;)

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 15:13

Do you think MINI need sponsorship? Or you want to see another Castrol Abu Dhabi Latex Nestle Shell Emirate Nokia painted car? :p

both.

alleskids

21st August 2011, 15:45

there was a break after the big boys and got me confused...plus the fact that kuipers didn't run at his normal place

Does Block pay to be live on tv in the Powerstage? Kuipers, 11th in the startingorder, did not appear, he rarely appeares in the Powersatge live on tv, were Blocks and Wislon always are on tv, even if they are 15th or 20th

GigiGalliNo1

21st August 2011, 16:12

Pay to be on TV, wow this is a new extreme and pathetic! (I know about this from another thread but still, crap if you have to pay to be on TV! So not only for example is Henning Solberg trying to get sponsors, his sponsors would give him money to support but for their BRAND to be seen on TV they'd have to pay the Mafia, sorry North One money to be seen!)

OldF

21st August 2011, 16:30

Waterloo for Ford, also geographically quite near. Happy with the win of Ogier. His pace on tarmac was surprisingly good. Gave some variations in tarmac rallies. Also happy with the 3rd place for Sordo with the Mini. Of course I’m supporting the Finnish drivers but when the fight for the championship for Mikko is over, I don’t care if he’s 3rd or 4th.

Great drive from Ott Tänak in SWRC.

Miika

21st August 2011, 16:40

Crashes from SS16, Meeke being lucky with his crash whereas Mads hits something more solid in pretty high speed:
Kris Meeke & Mads Östberg crashing in SS16 WRC Rallye Deutschland 2011 Day 3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMDzYqI6QD8)

Mirek

21st August 2011, 17:00

beating loix in ypres in his first attempt is absolutely worth writing about. few people are able to do that, not even most wrc drivers..

AFAIK only three people in ages long history of Ypres Rally managed to win on first attempt - Henri Toivonen, Luca Rossetti and Kris Meeke. No-one else managed so, that including Marcus Grönholm, Juha Kankkunen etc...

Allyc85

21st August 2011, 17:10

Well done to Ogier on the win. Very fast all through the event and was one of few to keep his tyres intact!

Chuffed to bits for Mini to pick up their first podium so soon with a great drive by Sordo!

Oh and ive just read on Pistonheads that kimi is to test a Peugoet Le Mans car this week in Spain ;)

GigiGalliNo1

21st August 2011, 17:21

So Germany was a stop over for him to Spain, as he said he shouldn't have came to Germany! Haha

ProRally

21st August 2011, 17:21

Great result for Sordo and Mini !!!
Bring on Australia next ....

Allyc85

21st August 2011, 17:24

So Germany was a stop over for him to Spain, as he said he shouldn't have came to Germany! Haha

It did make me wonder what he was going to try next as he seems to want to do everything right now!

GigiGalliNo1

21st August 2011, 17:28

See me reporting (i hope) from Australia!

Isn't Kimi ment to rally in Australia? I thought he was...

OldF

21st August 2011, 17:45

logic

21st August 2011, 17:53

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 18:20

Has the attitude of Ogier changed by the victory?

I don't admire Loeb anymore (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2011%2F08%2F1376659%2Fogier-tunnusti-mtv3lle-en-ihaile-loebia-enaa)

funny enough this interview was constructed by the media of the nation which is getting ridiculed the most all these years, the ridicule, the phycological pain took its toll at last and you start hitting below the belt....BAH.

Guess what...Hirvonen doesn't have the speed, Latvala doesn't have the consistency and the next big thing comes from over the border in Estonia...so the pain will go on and on.

At least you have managers to be happy about .... LOL

bretddog

21st August 2011, 18:39

funny enough this interview was constructed by the media of the nation which is getting ridiculed the most all these years, the ridicule, the phycological pain took its toll at last and you start hitting below the belt....BAH.

Guess what...Hirvonen doesn't have the speed, Latvala doesn't have the consistency and the next big thing comes from over the border in Estonia...so the pain will go on and on.

At least you have managers to be happy about .... LOL

Wrong. The nation ridiculed the most all these years is Greece, under your signature. And your consistency is remarkable.

Miika

21st August 2011, 18:42

Yes, it´s the media putting the words to Ogier´s mouth, you can see from the video he is reading a cue card there what to say next.

F1boat

21st August 2011, 18:43

It's like Alonso and Lewis in McLaren, all over again.

DonJippo

21st August 2011, 18:59

AFAIK only three people in ages long history of Ypres Rally managed to win on first attempt - Henri Toivonen, Luca Rossetti and Kris Meeke.

And the one who won the first ever Ypres rally :D

Salist

21st August 2011, 19:09

Hello Guys,

My photos from ADAC Rallye Deutschland:
World Rally Xtreme (http://www.wr-x.com/#/wrc-img/2011-7/adac-rallye-deutschland-2011-trier-70/)

JoostSchouten

21st August 2011, 19:10

Mise

21st August 2011, 19:26

My video of this great rally is online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSVqXqjd9ro

Watch it in HD at Youtube: WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 (HD) - WRC Rally Germany 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSVqXqjd9ro&hd=1)

From 0:40 to 0:51
driver Y. AL RAJHI (SA)

What a great spot and only one clip. Did the official asked you to move or was it not good for you.

Gregor-y

21st August 2011, 19:26

Nice video; Sordo in the MINI looks very well composed.

rubla

21st August 2011, 19:31

from wrc.com:"“It’s been a really good weekend with no mistakes from our side or the car,” said Tanak, whose MM Motorsport Fiesta was co-driven by Markko Martin."

???

Did i miss something and Markko was indeed Ott's co-pilot this rally?

Juha_Koo

21st August 2011, 19:43

MikeD

21st August 2011, 19:59

Has the attitude of Ogier changed by the victory?

I don't admire Loeb anymore (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2011%2F08%2F1376659%2Fogier-tunnusti-mtv3lle-en-ihaile-loebia-enaa)

I really like Ogier, but he is getting a bit agressive when there is no need for it. He needs to learn to control his emotions before he speaks to the press. The crying in Finland and his negativity against his own team in Germany will not do him any favours in the future.

darkstar

21st August 2011, 20:08

my video of rallye germany is also online now, was a nice weekend!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7NDZT7O6aY&hd=1

uranium

21st August 2011, 20:11

I really like Ogier, but he is getting a bit agressive when there is no need for it. He needs to learn to control his emotions before he speaks to the press. The crying in Finland and his negativity against his own team in Germany will not do him any favours in the future.

Agree. But on the other hands looks like something makes him to behave in this manner. It might be as positive as negative. E.g. let's remember situation with team tacticks, which was to make Ogier winner several last rallies. Definitely we don't know much things. Probably it will be clear sooner or later, or we will never know.
Let's wait and see.

N.O.T

21st August 2011, 20:23

my video of rallye germany is also online now, was a nice weekend!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7NDZT7O6aY&hd=1

another gem in the collection...great job.

Allyc85

21st August 2011, 20:33

Agree. But on the other hands looks like something makes him to behave in this manner. It might be as positive as negative. E.g. let's remember situation with team tacticks, which was to make Ogier winner several last rallies. Definitely we don't know much things. Probably it will be clear sooner or later, or we will never know.
Let's wait and see.

But id rather see a driver show some emotion and not just be some PR robot :)

BDunnell

21st August 2011, 20:40

But id rather see a driver show some emotion and not just be some PR robot :)

There is being passionate, opinionated, etc, and there is simply being boorish and arrogant. Which do we think Ogier is?

bennizw

21st August 2011, 20:57

My video of this great rally is online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSVqXqjd9ro
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That is great work! Loving the variation in the footage, and the use of an external camera for different angles. Nice one :)

Tinke1979

21st August 2011, 21:04

Crash Highlights WRC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p29vGC4tPkI&feature=feedu)
was this allready here? Nice lefthander! ;)

OldF

21st August 2011, 21:05

my video of rallye germany is also online now, was a nice weekend!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7NDZT7O6aY&hd=1

High quality video from you again darkstar, as usual. You seems to find the most spectacular points in every rally.

bassist

21st August 2011, 21:09

another gem in the collection...great job.

Fantastic Footage- puts the official TV provider to shame. Really gives the sense of speed associated with this Rally.Some of the Paps are bloody `nutters` though.

uranium

21st August 2011, 21:16

Crash Highlights WRC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p29vGC4tPkI&feature=feedu)
was this allready here? Nice lefthander! ;)

Who was the last? Hanninen or Gassner?

Juha_Koo

21st August 2011, 21:36

Who was the last? Hanninen or Gassner?

Gassner.

Well, this year's Rally Germany was a total disaster from a Finnish viewpoint. Latvala showed great speed when he wasn't engulfed in dozens of problems like for example diarhhea... Other than that, a very nice rally full of surprises and action. A really positive thing was Mini's pace. In the end, Mini (Sordo) was only 0,32 s/km slower than the rally winner. Someone could calculate what the difference would be if SS2 is left out of the calculations... I'm starting to like Ogier more and more. He is totally capable of winning Loeb and that in some way, seems to create some friction inside the team. Will we see more Citroen management (above the WRT) interventions during this season...? Anyway, it's a nice spice to WRC where everything is so polished and "office'd" nowdays.

Hänninen doing his first big mistake in SWRC. In the end, I don't know what caused the off because they had a special marking in the notes "care, gravel" but still went off. In Academy, first win for Breen. Lemes made only one mistake, but it was enough to lose the victory.

Organizers, make a 70% new itinerary for next year and I'll definately come there. ;) I like Germany!

hanjob11

21st August 2011, 21:50

Hi,

photos of todays special stages are online at rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de)

Karsten

MartijnS

21st August 2011, 22:16

My photos are also online!

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/rallyedeutschland/Araujo%203.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/rallyedeutschland/Prokop%202.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/rallyedeutschland/SolbergH%204.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/rallyedeutschland/Ostberg%204.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/rallyedeutschland/Kruuda%201.jpg

More at our website --> CLICK (http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2011/rallyedeutschland/rallyedeutschland.html)

garais22

21st August 2011, 22:24

Lucky (and stupid at the same time) two operators...

Is it possible to see this videoRallye Deutschland 2011 Ausfall Prokop - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHjp4SDutuc&feature=youtu.be) again?

Juha_Koo

21st August 2011, 22:29

Interesting small interview with Julien Ingrassia.

World Rally Championship - News - Q&A: Julien Ingrassia (http://wrc.com/news/qa-julien-ingrassia/?fid=15252)

"We are not bad boys, we are not so silly either. We can understand there is team orders, this is in our contract and in the contract of almost all the drivers."

JoostSchouten

21st August 2011, 23:06

From 0:40 to 0:51
driver Y. AL RAJHI (SA)

What a great spot and only one clip. Did the official asked you to move or was it not good for you.
The shot at 2:19 is just before that spot, I walked there after the 30th car or something like that. I have still some other footage, but can't make the video too long. The longer version (that will be sold on the 2011-Annual Review DVD) will probably contain more footage of that spot.

Thanks at the other comments!

Mintexmemory

21st August 2011, 23:44

There is being passionate, opinionated, etc, and there is simply being boorish and arrogant. Which do we think Ogier is?
I think the former, since emotions are clearly running high within the Citroen camp. Had Ogier made some of the comments attributed to him in the cold light of a hotel lounge feature interview for L'Equipe then I'd view them differently. Also, what has been said in English and what in French - some stuff definitely gets lost in translation. Good win for Ogier but he shouldn't expect any charity for the remainder of this year - after all he did just get luck with a puncture for Loeb.

Cloverleaf

21st August 2011, 23:53

Thanks at the other comments!
Brilliant video.
By the way S2000 cars sound way much better, and don't look like they're high on steriods as WRC cars.
Speed matters though.

Plan9

22nd August 2011, 01:48

Personally I am just glad that Loeb didn't win this, it was starting to get silly in Germany year in year out & no other winners.

pete c

22nd August 2011, 05:07

have to agree

rallysupportnl

22nd August 2011, 06:54

VIDEO OF THE ADAC RALLYE DEUTSCHLAND 2011 - WRC RALLY GERMANY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gbUangnYsk

22nd August 2011, 08:47

Video from Day 3 you can find here:
http://www.rallypulse.com/news/news/index.php?id=67

ProRally

22nd August 2011, 09:10

N.O.T

22nd August 2011, 09:18

he still has 2 years of contract and if Loeb chooses the option to retire at the end of 2012 then Ogier might be the new face of Citroen for the coming years.

I think its far better to work in an environemt where everyone speaks your language and the office is in your country.

I think next year Ogier will be very hard to catch speedwise, this year reminds me of Loebs 2003 year were he was very fast and very close in winning the championship and in 2004 he won it with hands in pockets.

I still doubt that Ogier can be that consistent as Loeb, already in Germany he had a very lucky moment.

we will see.

Rallyper

22nd August 2011, 09:30

Rom1

22nd August 2011, 09:42

Hey Guys,

Here a preview of my photos from Germany:

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/293458_201487376582404_150114141719728_578238_3770 134_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/314078_201487626582379_150114141719728_578243_3925 366_n.jpg

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/321523_201487653249043_150114141719728_578244_1051 603_n.jpg

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/307498_201487766582365_150114141719728_578247_6019 321_n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/293933_201487816582360_150114141719728_578248_5889 026_n.jpg

More to come at Romain Thuillier Photography (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Romain-Thuillier-Photography/150114141719728)

clem126

22nd August 2011, 10:00

I think the former, since emotions are clearly running high within the Citroen camp. Had Ogier made some of the comments attributed to him in the cold light of a hotel lounge feature interview for L'Equipe then I'd view them differently. Also, what has been said in English and what in French - some stuff definitely gets lost in translation. Good win for Ogier but he shouldn't expect any charity for the remainder of this year - after all he did just get luck with a puncture for Loeb.

Ogier was asked by French TV crew on friday evening if there were gonna be tactics and he answered : "Loeb is gonna go cry to the team 'My young teamate is pushing me blablabla' [...] theres things and people that made me dream in the past but not anymore"

And that's not me paraphrasing, he did say those things exactly as i translated them ... (well as exactly as my english is :D )

I think there is a place and a time to say some things and i believed he shouldnt say stuff like that. To me he sounded like a child...

jolle1982

22nd August 2011, 10:27

my pictures are online!!!

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/deutschland_20_1314004457.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/deutschland_07_1314004449.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/deutschland_58_1314004603.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/deutschland_23_1314004459.jpg

<<< Fotos ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 >>> (http://www.rallyefreaks.de/index.php?option=com_samgallery&catid=98%3Aby-frank-flaemig&Itemid=2)

Mintexmemory

22nd August 2011, 11:16

Ogier was asked by French TV crew on friday evening if there were gonna be tactics and he answered : "Loeb is gonna go cry to the team 'My young teamate is pushing me blablabla' [...] theres things and people that made me dream in the past but not anymore"

And that's not me paraphrasing, he did say those things exactly as i translated them ... (well as exactly as my english is :D )

I think there is a place and a time to say some things and i believed he shouldnt say stuff like that. To me he sounded like a child...

Merci, beaucoup. Your english is fine, that clarifies the issue for me. Ogier should be told to keep it buttoned or else go and stand on the naughty step. It is one thing to have a team disagreement but all this now seems like sour grapes. I think Quesnel made a massive error of judgement in deciding that this should be Ogier's 'year' and giving him preferential access to information. What did they expect the most competitive rally driver of all time to do , roll over and play dead? Loeb made his point by out-foxing Ogier in Finland and there can be very little complaint from Ogier - he tried a 'my team' move and it's failed. Eat it up or sign for VW (which it looks like Quesnel feared / expected Loeb to do)

Fri

22nd August 2011, 11:31

My pics from saturday
rallysport.hu - ADAC Rally Deutschland - szombat (http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/09_nemet/03_szombat_fri/index.htm)

AndyRAC

22nd August 2011, 11:35

julkki

22nd August 2011, 11:51

Crash Highlights WRC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p29vGC4tPkI&feature=feedu)
was this allready here? Nice lefthander! ;)

Clearly some Finnish spectators at left-hander? ;) "Se on siinä.." I can hear.. :D

focus206

22nd August 2011, 11:56

I’m not sure having them both in the same team is going to work. Two quick drivers sounds fine, but there simply needs to be a No1 & No2 for the good of the team. One for the Championship and wins, the other to support and step up if the No1 has problems. Maybe it could work if the Manager handles it perfectly – something Quesnel doesn’t seem able to do. If I was one of the Citroen top brass, I’d actually be slightly worried about the next 2 years – we could have an inter-team war, a la Prost/Senna.
By now, they wouldn't risk anything even having an "inter-team war"... their opponents are too far behind...

MartijnS

22nd August 2011, 12:33

Prokop crash

Dailymotion - Prokop - un vídeo de Sports et Extrême (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkmsyg_prokop_sport?start=15#from=embed)

Those permanent WRC TV Camera crews are crazy!

GioRallyReport

22nd August 2011, 12:48

My video:

ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://www.rallyandraces.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2552:adac-rallye-deutschland-&catid=65:2011&Itemid=122)

Hartusvuori

22nd August 2011, 13:11

Those permanent WRC TV Camera crews are crazy!

They sure are crazy, but luckily they have situated far enough on the corner. If a car had lost control in slower speed and started to slide partly off road - then it would've been goodbye.

In Finland we were spectating in a corner where 4-5 photographers stayed on the outside of the corner where top cars were slightly jumping sideways on two wheels. When security and zero cars came they all walked five metres into the bushes to hide - anyway they are there at their own risk, but shouldn't defy life. And I can tell I went to the corner because I saw great pictures from it the year before...

Juha_Koo

22nd August 2011, 13:45

Those permanent WRC TV Camera crews are crazy!

True, but they are not stupid. Look how the second guy is there just as a "safety guy", you can see that he has his hands wrapped around the vest of the guy shooting. Camera limits vision quite badly... The second one is there to look with his eyes and ready to pull the camera operator to safety in case of runaway car. Ofcourse outrunning a rally car with your feet sounds like... Well, nearly impossible.

NL Fotografie

22nd August 2011, 14:01

My photo's from Friday an Saturday are online. I try to compleet the serie's from Sunday this evening.

http://www.nlfotografie.nl/forum/wrc20111.png (http://www.nlfotografie.nl/index.php)

http://www.nlfotografie.nl/forum/wrc20112.png (http://www.nlfotografie.nl/index.php)

http://www.nlfotografie.nl/forum/wrc20113.png (http://www.nlfotografie.nl/index.php)

More on: Home (http://www.nlfotografie.nl)

N.O.T

22nd August 2011, 14:12

True, but they are not stupid. Look how the second guy is there just as a "safety guy", you can see that he has his hands wrapped around the vest of the guy shooting. Camera limits vision quite badly... The second one is there to look with his eyes and ready to pull the camera operator to safety in case of runaway car. Ofcourse outrunning a rally car with your feet sounds like... Well, nearly impossible.

it looks like he pulled him infront to absorb the impact...LOL

they could choose a smarter place to be...

and i doubt the role of the second guy is to pull the camera man out of danger.

uranium

22nd August 2011, 14:16

and i doubt the role of the second guy is to pull the camera man out of danger.
...or just camera at least ;-)

uranium

22nd August 2011, 14:27

The wrc.com review: ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://wrc.com/news/features/the-wrccom-review-adac-rallye-deutschland/?fid=15256&page=5609)

Intersting article

N.O.T

22nd August 2011, 15:21

garbage..

mas-racing

22nd August 2011, 16:17

my video from a successful rally in Trier you can now look at: www.mas-racing.be (http://www.mas-racing.be) suject film ( algemeen )
enjoy it
kjell

NL Fotografie

22nd August 2011, 16:22

I have my photo's from Friday and Saturday online.

http://www.nlfotografie.nl/forum/wrc20111.png (http://www.nlfotografie.nl/index.php)

http://www.nlfotografie.nl/forum/wrc20112.png (http://www.nlfotografie.nl/index.php)

http://www.nlfotografie.nl/forum/wrc20113.png (http://www.nlfotografie.nl/index.php)

For more go to: Home (http://www.nlfotografie.nl)

Franky

22nd August 2011, 17:06

Prokop crash

Dailymotion - Prokop - un vídeo de Sports et Extrême (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkmsyg_prokop_sport?start=15#from=embed)

Those permanent WRC TV Camera crews are crazy!

That's not crazy, that's just plain stupid and the other guy ruined the shot!

Although I'm a loony myself when it comes to filming rallies but there are places where I never go to film. 50, 40, 30cm from the car in a "safe" place is much better than 4, 3 or 2 meters from outside of the corner. And yes, the shots are worth the risk.

tfp

22nd August 2011, 17:20

But id rather see a driver show some emotion and not just be some PR robot :)
:up:
Me too.
Gotta say I like Ogier. I like his "My team mate is the most succesful in the business, no one has beaten him to a title for years, but I'll still fight take him on" attitude.
And beating the worlds most successful rally driver in a rally that has only ever been won by him deserves respect, no matter which way you look at it.

Mirek

22nd August 2011, 17:40

Herbold big jump
Felix Herbold - Jump Dhrontal 1 - WRC Rally Germany - ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocJV5vhAgqk)

dimviii

22nd August 2011, 18:00

dimviii

22nd August 2011, 18:03

garbage..

Its not garbage, its opera as you said when i wrote some months ago that there is a problem inside Citroen and Quesnels decisions.
This is the second epic fail after new wrc speed vs old ones.

Aquagen

22nd August 2011, 18:11

Some photos from two final day added to gallery:

Àâòîñïîðò â Óêðàèíå - WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 (http://www.reporters.com.ua/gallery/1/116/)

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/298f937b5ef6f1c94045dbe1bca2a9c6.jpg

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/8c88d5160526cc6b3a8ae0e155782b56.jpg

T.Maanteiden kuningas

22nd August 2011, 18:16

Nice to see champions together...

JRodrigues

22nd August 2011, 18:23

Herbold big jump
Felix Herbold - Jump Dhrontal 1 - WRC Rally Germany - ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocJV5vhAgqk)

Biiiiig jump by Sousa

Sousa amazing jump SS11.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6IuUSHy8Gw)

OldF

22nd August 2011, 18:25

Impressive progress from Ogier in tarmac.But i d like to see a battle till the end with older Seb to see if he would manage to stay in one piece.
Because i haven t follow the rally close due to vacations,did Loebs puncture was a driving error or from stone on the road? Any videos about?

Loeb said in an interview that there were some stones on the road. I got the feeling that he was himself little surprised about the puncture.

tfp

22nd August 2011, 18:49

Nice to see champions together...

+1 :up: Yes, The current champion, ex-champion and F1 champion :)
Nice one Aquagen :)

Dragu

22nd August 2011, 19:12

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5153/54559499.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/824/54559499.jpg/)

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9695/34616963.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/546/34616963.jpg/)

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6770/65046043.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/7/65046043.jpg/)

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9383/88763513.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/88763513.jpg/)

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5567/74114611.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/74114611.jpg/)

More pics : Jo Pijpops Rallyfoto's (http://www.jp-rallyfotos.be/fotoreportage/72157627339118189)

Barreis

22nd August 2011, 19:25

Nice photos.

Miika

22nd August 2011, 20:18

Onboards/incars:

Hirvonen and Loeb @ Panzerplatte (SS10)
Panzerplatte onboards - Hirvonen & Loeb in action - SS10 WRC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvTbHuknXG0)

Kimi in the slippery SS2
Kimi Räikkönen Onboard - SS2 WRC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbLPpuKkSNo)

Petter in SS3 through the vineyards:
Petter Solberg Onboard - SS3 WRC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn9CMB3PgF4)

Meeke @ SS4:
Kris Meeke Incar - SS4 WRC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxmhc6HcNpY)

NL Fotografie

22nd August 2011, 20:23

The photo's from Sunday are online:

De foto's van Zondag zijn ondertussen ook online.

http://www.nlfotografie.nl/forum/wrc20114.png (http://www.nlfotografie.nl/index.php)

http://www.nlfotografie.nl/forum/wrc20115.png (http://www.nlfotografie.nl/index.php)

More @ Home (http://www.nlfotografie.nl)

Juha_Koo

22nd August 2011, 20:28

Best Incar Special from MTV3 MAX in this season in my opinion... Different stages and many onboards had some sort of "moment" in them which is always welcome. Although I have to admit that Kimi could have been replaced by Latvala on SS1. :)

rallysupportnl

22nd August 2011, 20:39

Photo's by Ryan Nijsink (http://www.rallysupport.nl/index.php?id=163)

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2011/WRCDLD2011/WRC2011GERMANY0009a.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2011/WRCDLD2011/WRC2011GERMANY0007.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2011/WRCDLD2011/WRC2011GERMANY0077.JPG

22nd August 2011, 22:21

Rally Germany Day 3 crashes in the video below:
http://www.rallypulse.com/news/news/index.php?id=68

Mirek

22nd August 2011, 23:37

Biiiiig jump by Sousa

Sousa amazing jump SS11.wmv - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6IuUSHy8Gw)

Almost same like Prokop like year, anyway very nice! :-)

I am evil Homer

23rd August 2011, 12:56

I’m not sure having them both in the same team is going to work. Two quick drivers sounds fine, but there simply needs to be a No1 & No2 for the good of the team. One for the Championship and wins, the other to support and step up if the No1 has problems. Maybe it could work if the Manager handles it perfectly – something Quesnel doesn’t seem able to do. If I was one of the Citroen top brass, I’d actually be slightly worried about the next 2 years – we could have an inter-team war, a la Prost/Senna.

Because having Senna and Prost really stopped McLaren from winning, didn't it? As 'problems' go it's hardly the worst to have right now....M-Sport can see Citroen off the in distance and Mini coming up strong. That is a problem.

Fomchenkov Andrey

23rd August 2011, 13:03

My photo from Rally Deutschland 2011 (http://www.worldrally.ru/index.php?action=shownew&id=4480) (small size)

http://www.worldrally.ru/newwr/uploads/albums/758x598/016210271.jpg

http://www.worldrally.ru/newwr/uploads/albums/758x598/017963184.jpg

mm1

23rd August 2011, 13:58

This Block picture is better than his latest gymkhana video :)

mousti

23rd August 2011, 14:30

it looks like he pulled him infront to absorb the impact...LOL

they could choose a smarter place to be...

and i doubt the role of the second guy is to pull the camera man out of danger.
Indeed they are both helping eachother to put the equipment there and give it a good setting to film etc. Goes faster with two, btw they also mostly caring the sponsor logo's that u see on TV. He's indeed not there for safety :p .

Juha_Koo

23rd August 2011, 15:36

Indeed they are both helping eachother to put the equipment there and give it a good setting to film etc. Goes faster with two, btw they also mostly caring the sponsor logo's that u see on TV. He's indeed not there for safety :p .

I never said that his sole role is being safety guy. I know that they are both cameramen and operate the machinery.

But when the other is filming, the second one is sometimes used as a safety guy. During last years, I've seen them doing exactly the same manouvre in Rally Finland. Other has his hand inside filming guy's vest and is ready to pull him out. Whether it's real safety, I don't think so, but it's better than nothing. But he is there for safety.

In 2004 or something like that I discussed with one cameraman in Ouninpohja, he told that they work in pairs, he was using the small "ground camera" while the other one was 50 metres away with his shoulder camera taking a different angle. Both of them also set the commercial banners before starting to shoot.

fastboy

23rd August 2011, 21:16

Here is the link to my video of the rally......
WRC ADAC Rally Germany 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBz7EXKdarA)

Allyc85

23rd August 2011, 22:24

Ooooh yea, a proper rally car making a proper noise!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFq3Qfvci4Q&feature=feedu

Markko

23rd August 2011, 22:54

WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 photos

Tango Team (http://www.tangoteam.com/)

We hope you like them!

skaapproductions

24th August 2011, 08:57

Here's also my first post to this forum, hope it's a good one!
My footage contains besides a nice short intro, some raw action and exclusive onboards from the shakedown on thursday.
This footage has been shot inside of a Skoda Fabia S2000.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AURCRqA77LY

rbatista82

24th August 2011, 15:08

Photos from Rally Germany:
SuperMotores | Rally, Fórmula 1, WRC (http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=251)

http://www.supermotores.net/images/galeria/adac201100026.jpg

Mise

24th August 2011, 16:34

Ooooh yea, a proper rally car making a proper noise!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFq3Qfvci4Q&feature=feedu

a proper rally car making a proper noise, if only driven properly. :(

Mirek

24th August 2011, 18:03

Was this great video already posted?
ADAC Rally Germany 2011 - ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgScx5AJqaA)

Fri

25th August 2011, 09:34

Here is my movies from Germany:
rallysport.hu: WRC 2011 rd. 9. ADAC Rally Deutschland (Germany) - YouTube (http://youtu.be/XljEbhQ27P8)

shakedown:
rallysport.hu: WRC 2011 rd. 9. Rally Deutschland (Germany) shakedown - YouTube (http://youtu.be/RkkYYSU0Bqw)

hype

25th August 2011, 13:46

My photos are also online :-)

WRC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - World Rally Championship - Fotos Images (http://www.roundfour.de/rallye-fotos/jahr-2011/wrc-rallye-deutschland-2011/)

http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-adac-rallye-deutschland-2011-vorschau/thumbs/thumbs_rallye_deutschland_roundfour-de_026.jpg http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-adac-rallye-deutschland-2011-vorschau/thumbs/thumbs_rallye_deutschland_roundfour-de_046.jpg http://www.roundfour.de/wp-content/gallery/wrc-adac-rallye-deutschland-2011-vorschau/thumbs/thumbs_rallye_deutschland_roundfour-de_057.jpg

wizaron

25th August 2011, 20:48

Some of my album.

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/wizaron/Rally/2-3.jpg

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/wizaron/Rally/18-1.jpg

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/wizaron/Rally/14-1.jpg

http://i851.photobucket.com/albums/ab76/wizaron/Rally/11.jpg

millbrook

26th August 2011, 09:44

My pics are online now @ rallypix.tk (http://www.rallypix.tk)

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/90/sizedr128.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/705/sizedr128.jpg/)

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8343/sizedr101.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/28/sizedr101.jpg/)

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7531/sizedr36.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/710/sizedr36.jpg/)

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2327/sizedr7.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/sizedr7.jpg/)

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/9715/sizedr2.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/sizedr2.jpg/)

Rallyefokus.de->Philipp

29th August 2011, 15:59

Hi to all fans of rallying,

we also travelled to Rallye Deutschland for enjoy watching and taking pichtures for our website Rallyefokus.de (http://www.rallyefokus.de)
The show starts at thursday with Shakedown and Showstart.
http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/110823/6py7ea4i.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

Many wine yards were a nice background on friday
http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/110823/23b3lp3g.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

On Saturday we travelled to "panzerplatte". Mister Showman Ken Block flew 43 meters through the air
http://s7.directupload.net/images/user/110823/9hpys6qu.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

On Sunday also wine, wine, wine. After a mixed weather not every driver could stay on the track
http://s1.directupload.net/images/user/110823/nr4mr995.jpg (http://www.directupload.net)

Much more Pics you can find in our galery (Bildergalerie) on Rallyefokus.de (http://www.rallyefokus.de)

There is also our video of the Rally

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz-Hr1JK-LQ

Greetings from Team Rallyefokus.de

Fomchenkov Andrey

29th August 2011, 16:22

Photos from ADAC Rally Deutschland (http://www.fomchenkov.com) (a wide format) are published

darkstar

29th August 2011, 19:20

here´s another short video of rallye germany: face the track!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmGbHAmVVQ&hd=1

Barreis

29th August 2011, 19:43

great photos.

jolle1982

30th August 2011, 15:57

Video rally germany 2011 by rallyefreaks.de online!!!
WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I92bV-rmjOM)

User

30th August 2011, 18:49

Aww I feel sad for the guy when they start Boo'ing him :(

SubaruNorway

30th August 2011, 20:16

Aww I feel sad for the guy when they start Boo'ing him :(

When you're that useless it's ok, what if someone had crashed into Østberg's car? Or even sent it down the hill which i heard was very long.

julkki

30th August 2011, 20:34

Rallye d'Allemagne 2011 - ES16 - Accident de Mads Ostberg - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl8-3btmRyE&feature=player_embedded)

It looks quite clear to me that these marshalls don't have a clue about what they're supposed to do...

They don't know at all what's going on. Mads seems quite pissed off when he comes to take the warning sign from the hopeless marshall...

did1

2nd September 2011, 13:37

hi
i have just whatched the germany 2011 i think team orders is wrong i think S. LOEB is the best but i think S. OGIER should not be mad at him self thats why there is drivers not robots thay do it for the love of driving you could not see man utd saying lets have team orders and let man city win today there is good drivers but holding them back thats when thay go some where els then thay are winning all the rallys

OldF

2nd September 2011, 21:16

There was some interesting statistics in this week gpweek (page 53) (http://mag.gpweek.com/) about the punctures in the German rally.

Michelin investigates.

60% of the punctures related to two stages.
50% of the punctures related to three drivers (Meek, Solberg and Latvala).
50% of the drivers didn’t have punctures.

Meek had five punctures of which two was on shakedown. Sordo didn’t have any punctures at all.

More than 100 broken rims and of those only 10% with puncture. What does that tell about the rims?

dimviii

3rd September 2011, 00:23

More than 100 broken rims and of those only 10% with puncture. What does that tell about the rims?
Τοο much cuts from drivers? Not so sure.....Clearly the above statistics want to say that wasn t michelins fault all these flat tyres.They are very clever at the way they have type them.To have a right conclusion we had to have and statistics with other asphalt rallies,something is not possible due to be first tarmac rally with these tyres.
We ll see at next round if they are right or not.

janvanvurpa

3rd September 2011, 05:20

Plan9

4th September 2011, 08:09

Anyone got any photos of Kris Meeke & Dani Sordo doing their stuff??

wildsir

4th September 2011, 10:53

Wow! I want those rims, they're so good that even when prokken they don't let the tire puncture!

That's what it says!
and three drivers drove like savages.

-

wildsir

4th September 2011, 10:58

Wow! I want those rims, they're so good that even when prokken they don't let the tire puncture!

That's what it says!
and three drivers drove like savages.

100 broken rims?! the difference between a broken rim and a puncture is... Pure luck.

Surely if you have strong enough sidewalls, or high enough profile, you protect the rims. At the end of the day, if Citroen is having punctures, and Loeb didn't hit anything, Michelin have a 'problem'