Hamilton: Maybe it's because I'm black

[Dave B]

Is it so, every other driver should be afraid of Lewis and move out of his way to victory. For sure he belives it, and a big shunk of his fans.

To an extent. It was a technique which Ayrton Senna relied on occasionally: to literally scare drivers out of the way becuase he had a reputation that he was coming through regardless. Dirty, calculating, cynical... perhaps. But it worked.

[SilverArrows]

Another case of engage-brain-before-speaking for Lewis.
The Ali G quote is stupid and in poor taste but not malicious I think, it was just said in a moment of frustration. For me, it's the inability to take responsibility for his actions and the total lack of respect and arrogance towards his fellow drivers that's disappointing. I know being successful requires a certain level of self believe and confidence but that doesn't have to translate into disrespecting your peers. Paul di Resta virtually had an identical incident in Monaco and yet he held his hands up, apologised and assumed responsibility. Lewis needs to learn some humility and stop making these stupid comments.

[steveaki13]

Be interesting to see how Lewis responds around Canada. He is normally brilliant around there. Could be a crazy race, and we could see somone like Lewis step up and finally beat Vettel the Bull.

I think to a degree everyone who is involved in a collision is a bit to blame. To finish First, first you must finish as they say.


Lewis was a bit quick to dive up the inside of Maldonado knowing he is a rookie, he could well make a mistake, and Pastor made an error and cost himself points. Don't think he would have done that just to keep Hamilton behind, he must have just misunderstood the incident in that split second and his inexperience cost him points, while Lewis just needed to be careful.

I know it was 3 or 4 laps only from the end, and lewis takes risks, but if he had retired along with Pastor then 0 points as opposed to 6 or whatever he got.

[steveaki13]

When I first saw the incident between Lewis and Pastor. I had it as 80%-20% Lewis fault.

Now after seeing it again I agree he was along way up the inside, but I stand by with a driver like Maldonado you are never quite sure how they will react.

I now have the collision at about 50-50.

[steveaki13]

As for the Massa Incident, well that was silly and clumsy.

If you look at the replay Massa was very close to Webber and actually touched him, I think while looking for Lewis behind him he was caught out by how close he was to Webber and this caused the change of line into the hairpin.

I think it was all too close and sometimes at Monaco with 4 or 5 cars nose to tail even if there is a half gap to pass, you sometimes need to just sit behind the car in front and wait for the cars ahead to spread a little.

[Bagwan]

Yeah, but how come Shoe saw it, Pastor was clueless? Inexperience or recklessness?

You say Pastor made his defence (weaving) but he still left t'door open.....

There are a number of reasons why Pastor might not have seen him .

As one can see from the stills provided , the shoe went in at a different angle , clearly showing the intention of taking the corner on the racing line . He is experienced enough to know that he had another option there , if he entered on line . He had it figured by then , that Lewis was going to make his attempt at a pass .
We can't know if he knew because of his mirrors , or his ears , as the McLaren came alongside , but he reacted by giving room , as he knew he was there .

If you look at the Maldonado incident , he has a car ahead he is watching , and no doubt can hear .
He also has another car besides Lewis not too far behind that he can likely hear as well .
Then , he has Lewis to listen for as well , all in the echo chamber of Ste Devote , at the end of the main straight "hall" .

When it gets crowded in there , and it was , you don't get that clear sonic clue where Lewis was , that Michael had . Michael had no others around him but Lewis .

Given he had a guy ahead , Pastor had that distraction as well .


If you add to that , the fact that he tried and failed to intimidate Lewis , going in at first , a different angle , and second , tighter , it means he likely figured he wasn't there at all until it was too late .

It should be obvious to all that he would not have turned in to cause a crash . That would be stupid , especially near the end of the race , with his team as it is , so lacking in points .

From all I've seen , I don't believe he knew he was there , and further than that , I think he thought he wasn't there .

[The Black Knight]

There are a number of reasons why Pastor might not have seen him .

As one can see from the stills provided , the shoe went in at a different angle , clearly showing the intention of taking the corner on the racing line . He is experienced enough to know that he had another option there , if he entered on line . He had it figured by then , that Lewis was going to make his attempt at a pass .
We can't know if he knew because of his mirrors , or his ears , as the McLaren came alongside , but he reacted by giving room , as he knew he was there .

If you look at the Maldonado incident , he has a car ahead he is watching , and no doubt can hear .
He also has another car besides Lewis not too far behind that he can likely hear as well .
Then , he has Lewis to listen for as well , all in the echo chamber of Ste Devote , at the end of the main straight "hall" .

When it gets crowded in there , and it was , you don't get that clear sonic clue where Lewis was , that Michael had . Michael had no others around him but Lewis .

Given he had a guy ahead , Pastor had that distraction as well .


If you add to that , the fact that he tried and failed to intimidate Lewis , going in at first , a different angle , and second , tighter , it means he likely figured he wasn't there at all until it was too late .

It should be obvious to all that he would not have turned in to cause a crash . That would be stupid , especially near the end of the race , with his team as it is , so lacking in points .

From all I've seen , I don't believe he knew he was there , and further than that , I think he thought he wasn't there .

Erm, sorry now but this is completely far fetched wishful thinking here. You're saying that Maldonado couldn't tell the difference in hearing a car two or three metres from his head and a one 100m in front of him? You're also saying that a car a further 50M back somehow made him believe Lewis wasn't there? This is desparate. Hearing a car 100M in front of you and a one 50 M behind is fine but the McLaren was right beside him. C'mon now, in fairness, he had his mirrors, he had his ears and a McLaren engine pumping into his ears and you say to me that he didn't know Lewis was there? If he can't distinguish between a McLaren right in his ear and two cars 100M in front and 50M behind him the man should not be in F1. The cars around him have nothing to do with influencing his decision.

I agree it's possible he didn't know Lewis was there, but that's only the case if he wasn't listening and didn't look in his mirrors or hadn't positioned them correctly. If an F1 driver hasn't done that then any incident that occurs as a result of that is his fault.

[wedge]

*Senna movie spoiler alert*

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[Cooper_S]

LOL, I was wondering when that clip would rear its head.

Senna's lets call it 'style' has no place in modern F1... Now if you lament this then tough, but F1 has moved on and in doing so has not had a driver fatality for 17 years longer than t any time in it's history... a fact I wish to see extened.

Just because 20+ years ago it was acceptable to 'race' by being more willing to crash and force a pass than the next guy (despite the actual risk to life) we should be more accepting of Hamiltons 'style' today... well I don't think so.... Lewis relies in part on the fact that he is the only one driving like this... if everyone chose to emulate his more cavalier approach we would have nothing but safety cars and red flags.

[Daniel]

LOL, I was wondering when that clip would rear its head.

Senna's lets call it 'style' has no place in modern F1... Now if you lament this then tough, but F1 has moved on and in doing so has not had a driver fatality for 17 years longer than t any time in it's history... a fact I wish to see extened.

Just because 20+ years ago it was acceptable to 'race' by being more willing to crash and force a pass than the next guy (despite the actual risk to life) we should be more accepting of Hamiltons 'style' today... well I don't think so.... Lewis relies in part on the fact that he is the only one driving like this... if everyone chose to emulate his more cavalier approach we would have nothing but safety cars and red flags.

Couldn't agree more. People are trying to justify last weekend because Senna would have done the same or Schumacher let Hamilton through or whatever, that's besides the point, Hamilton aimed for spaces he must surely have known weren't going to be there in a second or two and he got penalised.......

[Daniel]

Erm, sorry now but this is completely far fetched wishful thinking here. You're saying that Maldonado couldn't tell the difference in hearing a car two or three metres from his head and a one 100m in front of him? You're also saying that a car a further 50M back somehow made him believe Lewis wasn't there? This is desparate. Hearing a car 100M in front of you and a one 50 M behind is fine but the McLaren was right beside him. C'mon now, in fairness, he had his mirrors, he had his ears and a McLaren engine pumping into his ears and you say to me that he didn't know Lewis was there? If he can't distinguish between a McLaren right in his ear and two cars 100M in front and 50M behind him the man should not be in F1. The cars around him have nothing to do with influencing his decision.

I agree it's possible he didn't know Lewis was there, but that's only the case if he wasn't listening and didn't look in his mirrors or hadn't positioned them correctly. If an F1 driver hasn't done that then any incident that occurs as a result of that is his fault.

So it comes down to the fact that Hamilton is perfect and can do no wrong and OBVIOUSLY Massa and Maldonado should have just let him through.....

[wedge]

Couldn't agree more. People are trying to justify last weekend because Senna would have done the same or Schumacher let Hamilton through or whatever, that's besides the point, Hamilton aimed for spaces he must surely have known weren't going to be there in a second or two and he got penalised.......

Do you want a procession? Overtaking has an element of risk.

Lewis is a racer - yes it comes at a price but he's pulled off some fantastic moves in his time.

[jens]

I have to say that Hamilton's moves on Maldonado and also Schumacher were pretty much banzai moves, which for instance Sato got a lot of bashing for many years ago. You may expect some of such moves to work out, but they will never work out consistently, so Lewis can take a look in the mirror. Especially in Maldonado's case he was never alongside going into the corner, so this wasn't going to work out in a clean way.

[Daniel]

Do you want a procession? Overtaking has an element of risk.

Lewis is a racer - yes it comes at a price but he's pulled off some fantastic moves in his time.

Yes and the risk is that if you don't make the move stick and take the other guy out, that you get penalised.

[The Black Knight]

Yes and the risk is that if you don't make the move stick and take the other guy out, that you get penalised.

You're basically saying that anytime someone tries to do an overtaking maneuver that, no matter how well positioned they are, the other guy simply has to turn in on him and then that guy is at fault. Jaysus.

[The Black Knight]

So it comes down to the fact that Hamilton is perfect and can do no wrong and OBVIOUSLY Massa and Maldonado should have just let him through.....

Every driver does wrong, and Hamilton has done so himself, as I said a few posts up. But he didn't in this case. Definitely not.

[The Black Knight]

Found this onboard footage of Hamilton and Massa. It shows Hamilton getting alongside Massa in the tunnel

YouTube - ‪F1 2011 Monaco Hamilton Onboard Crash Massa‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzmuTOCt7NY)

[Daniel]

You're basically saying that anytime someone tries to do an overtaking maneuver that, no matter how well positioned they are, the other guy simply has to turn in on him and then that guy is at fault. Jaysus.

Well if Felipe and Pastor wanted to make their corners they had to turn in sometime......

[The Black Knight]

Well if Felipe and Pastor wanted to make their corners they had to turn in sometime......

Been over that. They both turned in too early. Only difference with the Massa one is that Hamilton actually was over ambitious.

[Daniel]

Been over that. They both turned in too early.

According to the Lewis Hamilton fan club......

[ioan]

Been over that. They both turned in too early. Only difference with the Massa one is that Hamilton actually was over ambitious.

Can't believe people still think that Massa and Mldonado were to blame for Hamilton's brain farts! :down:

[Bagwan]

Erm, sorry now but this is completely far fetched wishful thinking here. You're saying that Maldonado couldn't tell the difference in hearing a car two or three metres from his head and a one 100m in front of him? You're also saying that a car a further 50M back somehow made him believe Lewis wasn't there? This is desparate. Hearing a car 100M in front of you and a one 50 M behind is fine but the McLaren was right beside him. C'mon now, in fairness, he had his mirrors, he had his ears and a McLaren engine pumping into his ears and you say to me that he didn't know Lewis was there? If he can't distinguish between a McLaren right in his ear and two cars 100M in front and 50M behind him the man should not be in F1. The cars around him have nothing to do with influencing his decision.

I agree it's possible he didn't know Lewis was there, but that's only the case if he wasn't listening and didn't look in his mirrors or hadn't positioned them correctly. If an F1 driver hasn't done that then any incident that occurs as a result of that is his fault.

You , sir , are really abrasive in your responses .

It is not "completely far fetched" or "wishful thinking" or "desp(e)rate" .
It is fact that the shoe had no sonic distraction in that approach , and that Maldonado did .

The degree to which you think it may have influenced the situation is nil .
I disagree .


You agree that it's possible that he didn't know he was there .

To suggest he "wasn't listening" is a little too much . That would be as stupid as to suggest he went looking for this crash to occur .
Of course he was listening .
Driving these cars around there is tough work , and one needs all his senses working in overtime .

[Big Ben]

Can't believe people still think that Massa and Mldonado were to blame for Hamilton's brain farts! :down:

can´t believe you haven´t been banned for good

[Robinho]

i still rate Hamilton-Massa at 95%-5% and at best Hamilton-Maldonado 60%-40%, both against Hamilton. Before you jump on me take a look through my history and check my support for Hamilton in the past. The Massa incident was stupid and pointless, although Massa was on a slightly odd line and managed to hit Webber, Hamilton was never getting through, the only pass into that corner is done before turn in, not at the apex.

As for the Maldonado incident, Hamilton failed to make it stick as he did with MS, and was only ever 3/4 alongside. Whilst Maldonado probably could and maybe should have seen him and taken avoiding action, the onus is on Hamilton to execute the move without hitting the car in front. Maldonado was always still in front. Either could have done enough to avoid the crash, but at the point Hamilton was on the iverlap there is very little visibility from the cockpit and the mirrors are at best useless when your in a braking zone and trying to hit an apex on the most difficult circuit of the year.

I like Hamilton, I think he's an exceptional talent, but sometimes he thinks he can do more than is possible. Sometimes that is to his credit, but on Sunday it was careless at best and reckless at worst. I'll happily defend him, but the Monaco incidents we not good. Although either in isolation would have been just an incident, the 2 together were clearly a product of frustration and over ambition. Not his best showing. I expect a great fightback in Canada, however.

[Daniel]

i still rate Hamilton-Massa at 95%-5% and at best Hamilton-Maldonado 60%-40%, both against Hamilton. Before you jump on me take a look through my history and check my support for Hamilton in the past. The Massa incident was stupid and pointless, although Massa was on a slightly odd line and managed to hit Webber, Hamilton was never getting through, the only pass into that corner is done before turn in, not at the apex.

As for the Maldonado incident, Hamilton failed to make it stick as he did with MS, and was only ever 3/4 alongside. Whilst Maldonado probably could and maybe should have seen him and taken avoiding action, the onus is on Hamilton to execute the move without hitting the car in front. Maldonado was always still in front. Either could have done enough to avoid the crash, but at the point Hamilton was on the iverlap there is very little visibility from the cockpit and the mirrors are at best useless when your in a braking zone and trying to hit an apex on the most difficult circuit of the year.

I like Hamilton, I think he's an exceptional talent, but sometimes he thinks he can do more than is possible. Sometimes that is to his credit, but on Sunday it was careless at best and reckless at worst. I'll happily defend him, but the Monaco incidents we not good. Although either in isolation would have been just an incident, the 2 together were clearly a product of frustration and over ambition. Not his best showing. I expect a great fightback in Canada, however.

Couldn't agree more. Sadly some people seem to idolise him to the point of trying to excuse his every action and find a reason why it's someone elses fault. Then we have spurious reasoning like the fact that Schumacher didn't want to be part of Hamilton's accident and let him through, therefore Maldonado is obliged to do the same.

If you speak out against Hamilton you're a hater, you can't win :dozey:

[Cooper_S]

can´t believe you haven´t been banned for good

that door swings both ways

[tfp]

Surprised this is still being debated:-)
Has hamilton been penalised for this? or was it just a slap on the wrist from the FIA? As much as I support him and want mclaren to win, I dont think there was any excuse for his dodgem style driving.

[SGWilko]

banned for good

That's a Take That song, isn't it? ;)

[steveaki13]

i still rate Hamilton-Massa at 95%-5% and at best Hamilton-Maldonado 60%-40%, both against Hamilton. Before you jump on me take a look through my history and check my support for Hamilton in the past. The Massa incident was stupid and pointless, although Massa was on a slightly odd line and managed to hit Webber, Hamilton was never getting through, the only pass into that corner is done before turn in, not at the apex.

As for the Maldonado incident, Hamilton failed to make it stick as he did with MS, and was only ever 3/4 alongside. Whilst Maldonado probably could and maybe should have seen him and taken avoiding action, the onus is on Hamilton to execute the move without hitting the car in front. Maldonado was always still in front. Either could have done enough to avoid the crash, but at the point Hamilton was on the iverlap there is very little visibility from the cockpit and the mirrors are at best useless when your in a braking zone and trying to hit an apex on the most difficult circuit of the year.

I like Hamilton, I think he's an exceptional talent, but sometimes he thinks he can do more than is possible. Sometimes that is to his credit, but on Sunday it was careless at best and reckless at worst. I'll happily defend him, but the Monaco incidents we not good. Although either in isolation would have been just an incident, the 2 together were clearly a product of frustration and over ambition. Not his best showing. I expect a great fightback in Canada, however.

Good Post.

That is how I see it.

[Hitnrun]

can´t believe you haven´t been banned for good

the only answer I can come up with is that internet forums would be devoid of activity if it was not for misinformed opinionated trolls (look at their post counts, always at least triple that of the intelligent reasoned members in a fraction of the time) and so they are essential for the forums continued existence.
no trolls no forum, simple as, sad but true.

[Cooper_S]

the only answer I can come up with is that internet forums would be devoid of activity if it was not for misinformed opinionated trolls (look at their post counts, always at least triple that of the intelligent reasoned members in a fraction of the time) and so they are essential for the forums continued existence.
no trolls no forum, simple as, sad but true.

This fact may be true but I see one flaw with your statement... the laughable irony is that this is only your 3 post on the forum and yet all 3 of your posts have been to attack other posters.

It would appear that not all trolls have high post counts after all.

[steveaki13]

This fact may be true but I see one flaw with your statement... the laughable irony is that this is only your 3 post on the forum and yet all 3 of your posts have been to attack other posters.

It would appear that not all trolls have high post counts after all.

;) :laugh:

[Bagwan]

This fact may be true but I see one flaw with your statement... the laughable irony is that this is only your 3 post on the forum and yet all 3 of your posts have been to attack other posters.

It would appear that not all trolls have high post counts after all.

A bit ironic as well might be that it seems you're not recognizing that this poster just might have been here before .

You , yourself seem not to fit the mould of which he speaks , with only 429 posts since early 2009 .

The name "hitnrun" might have been a little clue , too .

[Cooper_S]

A bit ironic as well might be that it seems you're not recognizing that this poster just might have been here before .

The name "hitnrun" might have been a little clue , too .

I did consider it a possibility of course but only admin would know for certain.


You , yourself seem not to fit the mould of which he speaks , with only 429 posts since early 2009 .
I like the inference, I have other interests that divert my attention away...

Unfortunatly part of the problem with the troll tag is that it is subjetive to our own opinions... such is life

[wmcot]

I'm sorry, I've forgotten what this post was about? It seems to have drifted from Hamilton to Schumacher to Senna to petty jabs back and forth...

[wedge]

Yes and the risk is that if you don't make the move stick and take the other guy out, that you get penalised.

Not everything is black and white. Ever heard of a racing incident?


Couldn't agree more. Sadly some people seem to idolise him to the point of trying to excuse his every action and find a reason why it's someone elses fault. Then we have spurious reasoning like the fact that Schumacher didn't want to be part of Hamilton's accident and let him through, therefore Maldonado is obliged to do the same.

If you speak out against Hamilton you're a hater, you can't win :dozey:

Oh but I do have a problem with LH and that he should exert a level of pragmatism in the final third of the season when leading WDC.

Apart from the pass on Massa at Loews, the other moves were certainly aggressive but racing incidents. Maldonado collision looked blatantly LH's fault byt after having a chance to review it myself the penalty was harsh but you could see it coming.

Of course his post-race comments didn't help and was better left in a private conversation but it wasn't as if he was punting cars left, right and centre.

[Retro Formula 1]

Lets face it. Monte Carlo is a Mickey Mouse circuit and Lewis had his race compromised before it began. This left him out of position and frustrated. It was obvious he had to tray and make something happen.

The hairpin is always going to be a accident unless the driver getting passed avoids it. Lewis and Nico avoided the accident but others didn't and were not obliged to.

The post race comments were probably borne out of this frustration and were ill advised but no big deal.

[CNR]

F1 : Todt considered banning Hamilton after racial joke (http://f1.madeinmotorsport.com/en/headlines/news-f1-todt-considered-banning-hamilton-after-racial-joke-23709.html)

Jean Todt has admitted he considered banning Lewis Hamilton for six races after the McLaren driver's racial joke two weeks ago in Monaco.Enraged at having yet more penalties imposed by the stewards during the race weekend, Briton Hamilton - the 2008 world champion - joked that "Maybe it's because I'm black".Fearing a disrepute charge, the 26-year-old returned to the street circuit late on Sunday to apologise to the FIA, and made a further apology in writing."Lewis wrote to me and I wrote to him," FIA president Todt told British newspapers including the Guardian."I did not advertise it. It's between him and the FIA. I could have asked our judicial court to address the problem. We never officially opened the case."Maybe it would have been a better decision to put him to the court. To ban him for six grands prix.

[Daniel]

WTF? :crazy: I would have liked to see Lewis banned for a race for his poor driving, but I don't feel he needs any penalty for having a poor sense of humour......

[Dave B]

Bahrain on and off and on and off; 21 races becoming 20; and now this. Todt's lost it.

[MrJan]

Bahrain on and off and on and off; 21 races becoming 20; and now this. Todt's lost it.

Hmm, indeed. I couldn't help wondering the other day how Ari would've handled this if he'd got in (although that was obviously never going to happen), I suspect that the Bahrain decision certainly wouldn't have been quite as ridiculous. Although I'm clearly biased as am a big fan of Vatanen and just find Todt funny to look at :D

[555-04Q2]

F1 : Todt considered banning Hamilton after racial joke (http://f1.madeinmotorsport.com/en/headlines/news-f1-todt-considered-banning-hamilton-after-racial-joke-23709.html)

Thats a poor understanding of the term "racial/racist". You cannot be racial / racist towards your own race. Racism is defined as equally hating other races other than your own.

To look at banning Hammy for being a highly strung youngster with a big mouth is just plain old pathetic :down:

[driveace]

Well !! Will we see some racing in Canada this weekend or a procession, after you sir !
Lets hope Lewis is not too scared of having a GO and RACING,cos thats what we want to see.AND Coulthard and Brundle,dont air you views on whether you think drivers are guilty or not,let the STEWARDS decide please !!

[ArrowsFA1]

F1 : Todt considered banning Hamilton after racial joke (http://f1.madeinmotorsport.com/en/headlines/news-f1-todt-considered-banning-hamilton-after-racial-joke-23709.html)
Love this: "I did not advertise it. It's between him and the FIA... I could have leaked the letter..."

So why mention it now, and why mention it could have gone to the FIA court and assume that would have resulted in a 6 race ban :confused:

[SGWilko]

Well !! Will we see some racing in Canada this weekend or a procession, after you sir !
Lets hope Lewis is not too scared of having a GO and RACING,cos thats what we want to see.AND Coulthard and Brundle,dont air you views on whether you think drivers are guilty or not,let the STEWARDS decide please !!

Their job title is commentator - they are employed as they have professional knowledge, and can offer to the viewing public their take on the racing. I'd rather the Stewards did not decide, as most of the time they f*ck it up.

[wedge]

Bahrain on and off and on and off; 21 races becoming 20; and now this. Todt's lost it.

What's wrong with a forthright opinion? Contemplation and what actually happened are two completely separate things.


BBC Sport - F1 - Formula 1 gossip and rumours from international media (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9508703.stm)

And Todt told the Times: "I could have asked the judicial court to address the problem..."

[Firstgear]

Banning him would've just proved that what Lewis said was actually true.

[driveace]

Banning him would've just proved that what Lewis said was actually true.
Exactly !!
And why did Todt,let it out,and surely he would have not been able to ban Lewis by himself

[Mia 01]

Indeed it would have proved his point somewhat.. lol.

Interesing. Perhaps it could serve some good? A race ban i mean.

[The Black Knight]

Interesing. Perhaps it could serve some good? A race ban i mean.

How exactly? The only person I can see that being good for is Sebastien Vettel.

[The Black Knight]

Indeed it would have proved his point somewhat.. lol.

Yep, and I believe that's why Todt was happy to leave it be as it was too.

[raphael_2]

I don't get it, we all moan about drivers not speaking their mind and voicing their opinion - when one does, he gets crucified!

I am not a fan of Lewis Hamilton, but I applaud him for speaking his mind, and I was actually kind of disappointed he apologised for it after. If he thinks the stewards were stupid, or their decisions are a joke, why shouldn't he be able to say it?

Compared to the days we had the likes of Irvine, or Juan Pablo, the current crop of drivers are all very PR orientated. Almost robot like. It was refreshing to hear Lewis voice his opinion.

[yodasarmpit]

It was/is refreshing to hear drivers voice their opinion, however Hamilton went too far by claiming the FIA were racist. And I don't fully believe he was joking, more like a huge chip on his shoulder.

[The Black Knight]

It was/is refreshing to hear drivers voice their opinion, however Hamilton went too far by claiming the FIA were racist. And I don't fully believe he was joking, more like a huge chip on his shoulder.

Well after incidents such as Spa 2008 you can hardly blame him for suspecting it. Still, I agree that he went too far.

[Dave B]

I'm all for drivers speaking out, for example reigning BTCC champion Jason Plato recently hit out at what he perceived to be unfair rules, but he did so in a more measured way using data rather than paranoia. If Lewis had any evidence to support his view that he was being badly treated then bring it on, but to make a crass remark about racism - even if it was intended as a joke - was pretty poor form.

[F1boat]

I didn't like the outbursts neither of Plato, nor of Hamilton.

[Garry Walker]

I didn't like the outbursts neither of Plato, nor of Hamilton.

Don`t people want more outspoken drivers who say what they think? Kimi was attacked for not giving the media any ammo to work with, others are being attacked for being too straight in their sayings.

It is good luck I am not a formula 1 driver, the boards would go crazy after one pres conference with me.

[Dave B]

It is good luck I am not a formula 1 driver, the boards would go crazy after one pres conference with me.

I can just picture it now:

Q: Garry, how do you feel about crashing in Q1 and not making the grid tomorrow, after the stewards ruled you couldn't be exempted from the 107% rule due to your embarrassing performance in practice yesterday?

A: Mutter mutter moan whinge senile blah stupid Schumacher blah whine Hamilton idiot blather feck drink arse girls...

[SGWilko]

I can just picture it now:

Q: Garry, how do you feel about crashing in Q1 and not making the grid tomorrow, after the stewards ruled you couldn't be exempted from the 107% rule due to your embarrassing performance in practice yesterday?

A: Mutter mutter moan whinge senile blah stupid Schumacher blah whine Hamilton idiot blather feck drink arse girls...

Apparently, it will all be the cretinous commentators fault - imbecile......!

[Daniel]

I can just picture it now:

Q: Garry, how do you feel about crashing in Q1 and not making the grid tomorrow, after the stewards ruled you couldn't be exempted from the 107% rule due to your embarrassing performance in practice yesterday?

A: Mutter mutter moan whinge senile blah stupid Schumacher blah whine Hamilton idiot blather feck drink arse girls...

Drink?!?!?!!?! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH YESH!!!!!

http://www.spaciousplanet.com/images/world/thumbnails/fatherJack32012255633534394.jpeg

[raphael_2]

It was/is refreshing to hear drivers voice their opinion, however Hamilton went too far by claiming the FIA were racist. And I don't fully believe he was joking, more like a huge chip on his shoulder.

That's the whole thing - he wasn't claiming they were racist. It's called having a sense of humour. Was it funny? No, but it was quite obvious he was joking. The way it has been portrayed in the media though he doesn't have a chance, people believe what they read.

Should he have known better? Yes.

[steveaki13]

Drink?!?!?!!?! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH YESH!!!!!

http://www.spaciousplanet.com/images/world/thumbnails/fatherJack32012255633534394.jpeg

"Where am I, whats that thing there, are those my feet?" Classic Jack line.

[555-04Q2]

Drivers should be more outspoken. I miss the days when the drivers got out their cars, swigged a beer in public and said, "hurry up with this interview I've spotted a gorgeous blond in the pits that I want to take back to my hotel". Those were the days :p :

[Retro Formula 1]

That's the whole thing - he wasn't claiming they were racist. It's called having a sense of humour. Was it funny? No, but it was quite obvious he was joking. The way it has been portrayed in the media though he doesn't have a chance, people believe what they read.

Should he have known better? Yes.

Hit, nail, head :up:

[Daniel]

Are we still going on about this? No it wasn't a racist comment, it was just a dumb comment. Please lock this thread!

[Mia 01]

Yes lock it, all of us have a memory.

[Mia 01]

Or a voodoo doll it seems.... :arrowed:

Forget, the monkeys at the back are to good.

[Mia 01]

Wise words from David Coulthard.
:monkeedan

Or " all of the backmakers". Arrogance, someone.

[Mia 01]

Are you even aware of where the 'monkey's in the back' comment actually came from?? At the time when the press jumped on Lewis for his comment David Coulthard came out and said that 'monkeys' is a commonly used term within the paddock to describe the backmarkers. Lewis was not exclusive in using that term, it just hadn't been heard on TV before and an opportunity was seized. I am sick to death of seeing people on forums have this explained to them. Quite frankly I'm astonished how little some people know about the subjects they are commenting on, and making stern judgements regarding such things.
Denial, OK that´s fine with me, the quote was on the F1 blogs at the time.l

[Bagwan]

Are you even aware of where the 'monkey's in the back' comment actually came from?? At the time when the press jumped on Lewis for his comment David Coulthard came out and said that 'monkeys' is a commonly used term within the paddock to describe the backmarkers. Lewis was not exclusive in using that term, it just hadn't been heard on TV before and an opportunity was seized. I am sick to death of seeing people on forums have this explained to them. Quite frankly I'm astonished how little some people know about the subjects they are commenting on, and making stern judgements regarding such things.

Calm down .
Mia's poking you in the ribs to get a rise out of you .
Relax .

To a certain degree she's right .
It might be a common term in the paddock , but it took Lewis to let this little secret out .

It's a jab in the ribs of the backmarker to call them monkeys , and one that , for whatever reason wasn't seen as fit to air in public . If it was as common as Coulthard said , then it was a pretty good secret , as it must have been around for some time .

Quite apart from the racist overtones that were also mooted at the time , I think the team collectively must have cringed because it was clear that they joke about the monkeys quite often in the McLaren camp , showing disdain and disrespect for the low end of the pack .
That's no way to make friends you might need if you're running through lapped traffic .

Essentially , they were learning that Lewis shoots himself in the foot quite often , and that they are in charge of cleaning up the mess .

[Mia 01]

Calm down .
Mia's poking you in the ribs to get a rise out of you .
Relax .

To a certain degree she's right .
It might be a common term in the paddock , but it took Lewis to let this little secret out .

It's a jab in the ribs of the backmarker to call them monkeys , and one that , for whatever reason wasn't seen as fit to air in public . If it was as common as Coulthard said , then it was a pretty good secret , as it must have been around for some time .

Quite apart from the racist overtones that were also mooted at the time , I think the team collectively must have cringed because it was clear that they joke about the monkeys quite often in the McLaren camp , showing disdain and disrespect for the low end of the pack .
That's no way to make friends you might need if you're running through lapped traffic .

Essentially , they were learning that Lewis shoots himself in the foot quite often , and that they are in charge of cleaning up the mess .

This!

But as most know, there´s moore to it.

[Mia 01]

Mansell thinks Hamilton should speak less and learn from Jenson.

Well, he could be right.

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[SGWilko]

Mansell thinks Hamilton should speak less and learn from Jenson.

Well, he could be right.

yfrog Photo : http://yfrog.com/kkv0pp Shared by F1Racing_mag (http://yfrog.com/kkv0pp)

Mansell is not Mansell sans le tache!!!

[Mia 01]

Nigel is sensible, at least as much of most posters here. Theres a couple now, WDC :s : advices.

But I suppose Lewis have better ones among his friends.

[Mia 01]

And, If he wont lissen he will never get another WDC, Seb and Fernando will take them all.

I think most of the sensible F1 follower know this.

[Big Ben]

Mia, you should listen to NM´s piece of advice too

[The Black Knight]

Mansell thinks Hamilton should speak less and learn from Jenson.

Well, he could be right.

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I doubt NM would be too happy if he had to save fuel in the dying laps of his home race, to be honest. Didn't have those issues in his day but ****ing hell it's a ridiculous notion having to save fuel like Lewis had.

[Daniel]

I doubt NM would be too happy if he had to save fuel in the dying laps of his home race, to be honest. Didn't have those issues in his day but ****ing hell it's a ridiculous notion having to save fuel like Lewis had.

Perhaps, but Mansell is completely on the ball when he says that Lewis needs to grow up and shut up.

[The Black Knight]

Mansell thinks Hamilton should speak less and learn from Jenson.

Well, he could be right.

yfrog Photo : http://yfrog.com/kkv0pp Shared by F1Racing_mag (http://yfrog.com/kkv0pp)

I doubt NM would be too happy if he had to save fuel in the dying laps of his home race, to be honest. Didn't have those issues in his day but ****ing hell it's a ridiculous notion having to save fuel like Lewis had.

[The Black Knight]

Perhaps, but Mansell is completely on the ball when he says that Lewis needs to grow up and shut up.

I think this has been discussed ad nauseum already, but I'm quite happy that Lewis speaks his mind. He is passionate and one of the best drivers in the sport in quite a long time. I don't believe drivers should be ridiculed for speaking their mind and expressing their emotions. If you don't agree with that - fair enough.

[Retro Formula 1]

Will you stop talking common sense. That's 2 threads in a row you've done it. :up:

[Daniel]

I think this has been discussed ad nauseum already, but I'm quite happy that Lewis speaks his mind. He is passionate and one of the best drivers in the sport in quite a long time. I don't believe drivers should be ridiculed for speaking their mind and expressing their emotions. If you don't agree with that - fair enough.

Listen, I don't want drivers to become mindless PR drones either, but Lewis has done nothing but talk crap. I feel for Lewis, he has almost been nurtured from the womb to become an F1 driver and this has meant that he isn't quite as well rounded as some other drivers out there, but it still doesn't make up for the fact that at times he's delusional and sometimes talks ****.

[markabilly]

I didn't like the outbursts neither of Plato, nor of Hamilton.


:mad: watch it, DUDE!!! :mad:

plato along with Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli were two of the three greatest ever thinkers ever, along with me being number three.

Indeed while i did bash Max a little, he was an excellent example of Machiavelli politics in action.

While some might think otherwise, the name "markabilly" was chosen because I had this professor who pronuonced it "markabilly"

How dare you mention Hamilton in the same sentence............ :mad:

[CaptainRaiden]

:mad: watch it, DUDE!!! :mad:

plato along with Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli were two of the three greatest ever thinkers ever, along with me being number three.

Indeed while i did bash Max a little, he was an excellent example of Machiavelli politics in action.

While some might think otherwise, the name "markabilly" was chosen because I had this professor who pronuonced it "markabilly"

How dare you mention Hamilton in the same sentence............ :mad:

:confused:

I don't know if that was meant to be sarcasm or not, but either way, EPIC FAIL.

Jason Plato - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Plato)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/profile_plato.jpg


AND the outburst: TouringCarTimes - BTCC: Jason Plato could be penalised for on-air diatribe (http://www.touringcartimes.com/article.php?id=6280)

[SGWilko]

:mad: watch it, DUDE!!! :mad:

plato along with Niccolò di Bernardo dei Machiavelli were two of the three greatest ever thinkers ever, along with me being number three.

Indeed while i did bash Max a little, he was an excellent example of Machiavelli politics in action.

While some might think otherwise, the name "markabilly" was chosen because I had this professor who pronuonced it "markabilly"

How dare you mention Hamilton in the same sentence............ :mad:

And here's me, all that time, a thinkin'you was named after a young goat brander.

Shoot, aint that pretty?

[The Black Knight]

Listen, I don't want drivers to become mindless PR drones either, but Lewis has done nothing but talk crap. I feel for Lewis, he has almost been nurtured from the womb to become an F1 driver and this has meant that he isn't quite as well rounded as some other drivers out there, but it still doesn't make up for the fact that at times he's delusional and sometimes talks ****.

I don't see how he is delusional. Apart from the topic of this thread, which I still don't really see the big deal about, I can't really see where he has been delusional. He is entitled to talk **** if he wants. Many people do.

[Daniel]

I don't see how he is delusional. Apart from the topic of this thread, which I still don't really see the big deal about, I can't really see where he has been delusional. He is entitled to talk **** if he wants. Many people do.

Just as he is entitled to talk ****, Mansell is entitled to have a view on his **** talking..... I'm allowed to have a view on what he says. It's a free world isn't it?

[SGWilko]

It's a free world isn't it?

If this is true, I'm doing something wrong cos I'm always skint......

[The Black Knight]

Just as he is entitled to talk ****, Mansell is entitled to have a view on his **** talking..... I'm allowed to have a view on what he says. It's a free world isn't it?

Indeed he is entitled to it as are you. Don't worry, I wasn't trying to take that way from you :)

[F1boat]

I am back on this topic only to say that Lewis is calm and civilized when compared to Will Power. I watched the guy after Toronto and laughed so hard...

[The Black Knight]

Just look at how much debate Lewis talking **** has generated in this thread alone... 30 pages of FUN FUN FUN!!!

[Mia 01]

Perhaps he´s back now on top for good. Noone will be better than him. And BBC is best.

[donKey jote]

And here's me, all that time, a thinkin'you was named after a young goat brander.

Shoot, aint that pretty?

I first thought it was after his job in the tattoo parlour and he changed the 'w' to something more presentable...

[markabilly]

:confused:

I don't know if that was meant to be sarcasm or not, but either way, EPIC FAIL.

Jason Plato - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Plato)

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/profile_plato.jpg


AND the outburst: TouringCarTimes - BTCC: Jason Plato could be penalised for on-air diatribe (http://www.touringcartimes.com/article.php?id=6280)

How stupid

That ain't Plato, he been dead 2,500 years.


Looks more like the photo that donKey constantly emails to young boys, hoping to lure them in

[SGWilko]

I first thought it was after his job in the tattoo parlour and he changed the 'w' to something more presentable...

Welcome to Jamaica, have a nice day, or

Wendy?

:rotflmao:

[markabilly]

maybe Hamilton will have some left for you, sgwilco, after he finishes with 555...........


have a nice day :D

[SGWilko]

maybe Hamilton will have some left for you, sgwilco, after he finishes with 555...........


have a nice day :D

Hope not - I've a weak heart.........

Defence de fumer.....

[Daniel]

Wonder what Hammy's excuse will be for trying to push Di Resta off the track?

[steveaki13]

Wonder what Hammy's excuse will be for trying to push Di Resta off the track?

desperation and a self desire to recover while not caring about what effect he has on the others.

[Daniel]

desperation and a self desire to recover while not caring about what effect he has on the others.

Exactly. He simply doesn't care about others.

[F1boat]

Video? I missed the accident.

[Daniel]

Lewis apologised, fair enough.

[steveaki13]

Lewis apologised, fair enough.

Yep. And acted very well and didn't rant at stewards or team.

This is how he needs to behave after every race.

[Hawkmoon]

He apologised to Di Resta but took a backhanded shot at the stewards by saying "I had to get a penalty for something". Or has Aussie TV got that one wrong?

[steveaki13]

I heard an interview and he didn't say that.

He said " I got a penalty for something, which happens sometimes, I appologies to Paul as I made him run off track. I just didn't see him coming round"

[markabilly]

nearly killed someone with the dumbbutt move of the season, but it is okay, he said I am sorry or whatever

[Hawkmoon]

Just goes to show how easy it is to get misquoted.

[SGWilko]

nearly killed someone with the dumbbutt move of the season, but it is okay, he said I am sorry or whatever

I don't think Lewis actually had enough time to get the spear out from the cockpit - let alone throw it, so killing someone was unlikely....

[bigunn]

Exactly. He simply doesn't care about others.

truth

[Bagwan]

The proper way to deal with the situation would have been to wait for those close enough to be affected by his move , to go by .
He should have known who these drivers were with a simple glance .

So , he either simply mis-judged it , which is unlikely , as they were clearly too close , or his adrenaline got the better of him again , and he was thinking only of himself .

Instead of letting them through and losing a few seconds , he lost the drive-through time , around twenty(?) or so .


The question here is whether Lewis travelling backwards on track , spinning his car into traffic , expecting others to avoid his move in the centre of the track at the exit of a chicane where there is only one line at racing speeds , warrants more than a simple drive-through .

Whether he has a record of questionable moves this year or not , this move was stupid , and , in my opinion deserved far more serious consequence .
He did some great driving today , but that move was too much , sorry or not .

It is good he apologized , and I hope he learns not to do so again .

[Daniel]

I don't think Lewis actually had enough time to get the spear out from the cockpit - let alone throw it, so killing someone was unlikely....

Get with the times, black people aren't using spears anymore!

[Daniel]

:rolleyes:

What? I assume that Wilko made the spear reference because it's typically black people in movies who are seen to use them? Is it cos I'm black, discrimination etc etc?

[Daniel]

Poorly judged by you, I think.

Jeezus man, get a grip. It seems like some people who have never seen or experienced proper racism deem any comment which contains any reference to race as racism or as inappropriate. Where were you when SGWilko made a reference to the favoured weapon of Hamilton's presumed ancestors in deepest darkest Africa? :rolleyes:

Tbh I think silly comments like yours trivialise proper racism and make it difficult for people to have some lighthearted banter with each other.

[Daniel]

I think you need to calm down and ascertain whether Wilko did indeed insinuate that the use of a spear was due to Hamilton's skin colour. I didn't get that impression and that is my opinion. "Silly comments" like mine??? Right OK lol.

Whatever, so did Wilko say it because Lewis wears earings? So what if Wilko did say it because he's black? It was clearly a joke made in a joke of a thread.

[SGWilko]

I think you need to calm down and ascertain whether Wilko did indeed insinuate that the use of a spear was due to Hamilton's skin colour. I didn't get that impression and that is my opinion. "Silly comments" like mine??? Right OK lol.

I was taking't urine out of Billy boys reference to Lewis trying to kill someone.

[Daniel]

I was taking't urine out of Billy boys reference to Lewis trying to kill someone.

Why a spear though?