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N.O.T
10th September 2011, 23:45
Ogier also lost a lot on 3rd split.
MikeD
10th September 2011, 23:45
Missing split for Novikov
N.O.T
10th September 2011, 23:47
Loeb also very slow....rain maybe ???
Red bull
10th September 2011, 23:47
Novikov out again ??
aaahhhh :dozey:
MikeD
10th September 2011, 23:47
If Novikov has another DNF then he still has only finished in the points just once (Sardegna 2009)
GigiGalliNo1
10th September 2011, 23:47
NOT I did not say there was a time penalty at service last night. Please read again. He was LATE I saw the clock tick over into his service time and he wasn't there.
Also, even though people are listening to WRR and know cars are on stage I like to update people online :)
azblk
10th September 2011, 23:47
battle infront seems to get tougher am trying to keep my eyes open but they are automatically closing.....half past 1pm here.sorry 1.AM east african time.
Vipi Mzee
N.O.T
10th September 2011, 23:49
NOT I did not say there was a time penalty at service last night. Please read again. He was LATE I saw the clock tick over into his service time and he wasn't there.
Also, even though people are listening to WRR and know cars are on stage I like to update people online :)
ok...is it rainning ??
and when someone is late then there is a penalty ....so he wasn't late.
N.O.T
10th September 2011, 23:49
Henning also slow on split 3...what is going on ???
N.O.T
10th September 2011, 23:50
Olivera and Novikov stopped.....Ogier is in the points....
Red bull
10th September 2011, 23:50
Vipi Mzee
poa sana mambo?
dimviii
10th September 2011, 23:50
Loeb also very slow....rain maybe ???
Novikov blocked the road?
focus206
10th September 2011, 23:51
maybe Novikov crashed and his car is in the middle of the road so everyone have to slow down? Just guessing, I hope not.
N.O.T
10th September 2011, 23:52
Times go way up on split 3 and then they normalise.....hmmmmm
gravelman
10th September 2011, 23:52
Olivera and Novikov stopped.....Ogier is in the points....
Ah ffs
N.O.T
10th September 2011, 23:52
quite possibly...
focus206
10th September 2011, 23:55
Yes, Novikov has rolled and he is slowing down the others, says wrc.com
danon
10th September 2011, 23:55
This time Novikoff had a big off, unfortunately.
N.O.T
10th September 2011, 23:56
paddon also out ???
Josti
10th September 2011, 23:56
I think Novikov can quit his career for a 2nd time. Shame.
N.O.T
10th September 2011, 23:58
Paddon ok...nice...
Ogier will move a lot of places if things go like that....the N cars are losing a lot.
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:00
I think Novikov can quit his career for a 2nd time. Shame.
unfortunatelly i agree....his speed this year is slow, but the accidents continue. Its a pity because i had high hopes...on the other hand he is just 21 so he can afford to do these things if he has strong financial back up behind him.
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:06
Quinn was lucky he passes through Novikov without big problems.
Carlo
11th September 2011, 00:08
Missing split times for Hayden is a bit nerve racking for all us Kiwi's following the results on the internet
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 00:09
Ok NOT
turves
11th September 2011, 00:10
i didn't get the "saving the car" bit
Just the words I used, I meant what MikeD said, but couldn't be bothered to write it all...
KKS
11th September 2011, 00:11
Paddon no time?
M. KOSCIUSZKO - on
Robbo
11th September 2011, 00:11
Carl - and the missing finish time does not help
MikeD
11th September 2011, 00:12
Paddon ok...nice...
Ogier will move a lot of places if things go like that....the N cars are losing a lot.
I think he will finish 8th or 9th. He won't catch Paddon and Kosciuszko. Saliuk is maybe realistic to catch in 8th place.
MikeD
11th September 2011, 00:14
According to Twitter than Paddon has not finished the stage
Comal
11th September 2011, 00:15
Why the hell is rally radio not telling us what is happening with Hayden! Not impressed!!!
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:16
Paddon no, i also doubt that but Kosciusko i think he can aim for.
As for Loeb i think he can also manage to be behind Ogier at the end.... i predict 7th and 8th for the citroens. If of course we do not have any retirements.
turves
11th September 2011, 00:16
Why the hell is rally radio not telling us what is happening with Hayden! Not impressed!!!
Coz they're playing wonderful music!!!
MikeD
11th September 2011, 00:17
Why the hell is rally radio not telling us what is happening with Hayden! Not impressed!!!
That typical WRR ... always their crap music instead of focusing on their job.
Comal
11th September 2011, 00:17
Screw the music!!!
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:18
Paddon out ??? no finish time.....
danon
11th September 2011, 00:18
I notice that Loeb is not pushing on Ogier. He might expect something in return.
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 00:19
NOT I would tell you if it were raining...
The stages were just damp this morning.
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 00:20
WRR are getting ready for service interviews as we're all driving back
MikeD
11th September 2011, 00:21
WTF ?!?!?! Now they are doing an interview with Al Quassimi ... why are those idiots not focussing on the results!!!
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:21
I notice that Loeb is not pushing on Ogier. He might expect something in return.
pushing on Ogier ???? he is 10 minutes behind.....how on earth could he be pushing on him ???
dimviii
11th September 2011, 00:21
I notice that Loeb is not pushing on Ogier. He might expect something in return.
There is no point to push with 10 minutes difference.Loeb can catch points only with other crews retirements.
Hunt on problems/retire?
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:22
WTF ?!?!?! Now they are doing an interview with Al Quassimi ... why are those idiots not focussing on the results!!!
check the sponsors of WRC.com and you can see why the interview with al quassimy is more important.
MikeD
11th September 2011, 00:22
Twitter confirms that Paddon has NOT crossed the finish line so he must be out.
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 00:23
Ah twitter is useful ;)
Carlo
11th September 2011, 00:23
Robbo, Comal, just phoned Pam she was at the last split and is heading off to find out what has happened
Maui J.
11th September 2011, 00:23
Damm! Looks as if Paddon made it to the final split but not the finish line. Buggar!
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:24
Ogier 7th and Loeb 9th is very likely....maybe even higher...
Robbo
11th September 2011, 00:24
Guys = just been talking to Chris Grant in HQ = Hayden finished OK - procedure errors in getting the time - so do not panic
Josti
11th September 2011, 00:25
Terrible shame for Paddon. Loeb might also be lucky with al those sudden retirements.
KKS
11th September 2011, 00:25
Twitter confirms that Paddon has NOT crossed the finish line so he must be out.
What you follow to know it?
danon
11th September 2011, 00:25
pushing on Ogier ???? he is 10 minutes behind.....how on earth could he be pushing on him ???
There is no point to push with 10 minutes difference.Loeb can catch points only with other crews retirements.
Hunt on problems/retire?
I meant doing better times.
Josti
11th September 2011, 00:25
Guys = just been talking to Chris Grant in HQ = Hayden finished OK - procedure errors in getting the time - so do not panic
Nice.
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 00:26
Sorry another stage - my bad
Stupid time
MikeD
11th September 2011, 00:26
Now Twitter confirm that Paddon DID finish after all and that there is a mistake in the timings.
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:27
I meant doing better times.
and why would he wait something in return then ??
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:28
Now Twitter confirm that Paddon DID finish after all and that there is a mistake in the timings.
i just love anti-social media....
danon
11th September 2011, 00:30
and why would he wait something in return then ??
:champion: - 8 in a row.
dimviii
11th September 2011, 00:32
I meant doing better times.
no reason to risk car reliability.Power stage is his target
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:32
the question is...
W H Y would Loeb wait something from Ogier since posting worse times doesn't affect anything....... ???
Can you reply the question ? or your initial thought was based without looking at the time difference they had ????
Comal
11th September 2011, 00:32
Guys = just been talking to Chris Grant in HQ = Hayden finished OK - procedure errors in getting the time - so do not panic
Cheers Robbo/Chris. As usual Chris has finger on the pulse and am sure will be trying to get the timing error fixed as quick as possible!
Maui J.
11th September 2011, 00:33
Guys = just been talking to Chris Grant in HQ = Hayden finished OK - procedure errors in getting the time - so do not panic
Phew! Thanks for the heads up.
Interesting to see all the Kiwis suddenly come to life on the forum all of a sudden!
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:33
17:51 by paddon ... good time.
MikeD
11th September 2011, 00:34
Apparantly Olivera had a mssive crash like Novikov but crew is OK. I wonder if WRC/FIA should take action against Olivera because he might end up hurting himself badly if he continues in a car that is too fast for his talent.
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:34
the small one is on...
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:35
Apparantly Olivera had a mssive crash like Novikov but crew is OK. I wonder if WRC/FIA should take action against Olivera because he might end up hurting himself badly if he continues in a car that is too fast for his talent.
they do not have the authority...thats why i persist that WRC needs standards on driving a WRC instead of money. Kimi and Block are in the same situation as Oliveira along with many many others.
Robbo
11th September 2011, 00:37
well that sure got the blood going - chris is over there 'helping' sort out the very sophiscated electronic data tracking and timing system (sic) - need to have a lunchtime nap now until after service
Carlo
11th September 2011, 00:37
Phew! Thanks for the heads up.
Interesting to see all the Kiwis suddenly come to life on the forum all of a sudden!
Well there are around 60,000 people from around my location who are very interested in whats happening, Rugby World Cup can wait until this is over for the day
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:39
No splits, just finish times...
focus206
11th September 2011, 00:41
haha seems like the Kiwis are really counting on Paddon, it's not usual so big interest in PWRC fight... and I'm glad to see that ;)
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:41
It would be nice to see Atkinson and Paddon next year in proper rally cars...nice rivarly :)
blissard
11th September 2011, 00:46
Petter fastest so far.. are there points for this stage? Or just SS26?
Carlo
11th September 2011, 00:46
haha seems like the Kiwis are really counting on Paddon, it's not usual so big interest in PWRC fight... and I'm glad to see that ;) Hayden winning the PWRC and becoming the 1st person from the southern hemisphere to win a a world rally title is not a matter of life or death, it is far more serious than that.
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:49
Petter fastest so far.. are there points for this stage? Or just SS26?
only the last stage.
sollitt
11th September 2011, 00:49
Hayden winning the PWRC and becoming the 1st person from the southern hemisphere to win a a world rally title is not a matter of life or death, it is far more serious than that.I think we'll have to declare a national holiday - Paddon Day.
focus206
11th September 2011, 00:50
Hayden winning the PWRC and becoming the 1st person from the southern hemisphere to win a a world rally title is not a matter of life or death, it is far more serious than that.
You are forgetting Gustavo Trelles from Uruguay ;) But I agree, winning the PWRC is a great honour for a non-European driver :)
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:51
Hayden winning the PWRC and becoming the 1st person from the southern hemisphere to win a a world rally title is not a matter of life or death, it is far more serious than that.
just do not get ahead of yourselves....the competition in PWRC is laughable (look at Araujo for a nice example of how a tourist can become champion)
The important thing is that Paddon showed he wins with ease the rest of the competitos and his style is very smooth and fast....but we need to see him in a proper car.
MikeD
11th September 2011, 00:52
Henning Solberg has rolled. It's a pretty crazy rally this one.
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 00:53
a nice 1-2-3 pre-test for the Citroen team.
turves
11th September 2011, 00:53
henning rolled
turves
11th September 2011, 00:54
going again
dimviii
11th September 2011, 00:54
Ogier 10sec penalty for jump start at ss22
AndyRAC
11th September 2011, 00:56
Paddon & Atkinson could have a WRC drive tomorrow...........as long as they bring plenty of Ģ$Ģ$Ģ$Ģ$Ģ.....
I only wish there were more seats available for talent, rather than money.....
gravelman
11th September 2011, 00:58
they do not have the authority...thats why i persist that WRC needs standards on driving a WRC instead of money. Kimi and Block are in the same situation as Oliveira along with many many others.
I have said this for years. F1 has the Superlicence, so rallying should have something similar, even at a national level. But policing it and enforcing it would be tough. The teams would kick up a stink saying that it would interfere with their commercial activities unfortunately.
MikeD
11th September 2011, 01:03
just do not get ahead of yourselves....the competition in PWRC is laughable (look at Araujo for a nice example of how a tourist can become champion)
The important thing is that Paddon showed he wins with ease the rest of the competitos and his style is very smooth and fast....but we need to see him in a proper car.
I agree. The PWRC isn't really a good feeder series for future WRC drivers. We didn't see too much Arai or Aigner after they won the PWRC title. But I think Paddon could be a positive surprise ... if he can find the budget.
AndyRAC
11th September 2011, 01:08
I have said this for years. F1 has the Superlicence, so rallying should have something similar, even at a national level. But policing it and enforcing it would be tough. The teams would kick up a stink saying that it would interfere with their commercial activities unfortunately.
Agree, somebody could win the lottery, go to Prodrive, or, even M-Sport and order a WRCar.....and voila ......(providing they've got a licence, BARS test, etc)
Even the backmarkers in F1 have shown some level of competence in the lower formulae. Whilst, Rallying should always be inclusive - having the ability to drive a WRC should be needed.
AndyRAC
11th September 2011, 01:09
I agree. The PWRC isn't really a good feeder series for future WRC drivers. We didn't see too much Arai or Aigner after they won the PWRC title. But I think Paddon could be a positive surprise ... if he can find the budget.
And there is the whole problem with the sport......not new, but totally depressing. Where are all these new Manufacturers..????
MikeD
11th September 2011, 01:12
And there is the whole problem with the sport......not new, but totally depressing. Where are all these new Manufacturers..????
But all kind of motorsport has been like this since the early 70'ies and if the talent is there then it's easier to find sponsorship.
Maui J.
11th September 2011, 01:12
Hayden winning the PWRC and becoming the 1st person from the southern hemisphere to win a a world rally title is not a matter of life or death, it is far more serious than that.
I read that quote somewhere else this week on a few different websites. I think whoever wrote it hasn't done their research. They are also forgetting Gabriel Pozzo from Argentina, and of course 4 time champ Gustavo Trelles from Uruguay as focus206 has already stated.
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 01:12
At service waitingfor cars to come in
Co-driven
11th September 2011, 01:13
You are forgetting Gustavo Trelles from Uruguay ;) But I agree, winning the PWRC is a great honour for a non-European driver :)
Besides Trelles, Argentine Gabriel Pozzo won the FIA Cup for Production Rally Drivers in 2001.
Carlo
11th September 2011, 01:16
I read that quote somewhere else this week on a few different websites. I think whoever wrote it haven't done their research. They are also forgetting Gabriel Pozzo from Argentina, and of course 4 time champ Gustavo Trelles from Uruguay as focus206 has already stated.
I must have read the same thing too for it completely erased Trelles and Pozzo from my memeory bank
focus206
11th September 2011, 01:18
Besides Trelles, Argentine Gabriel Pozzo won the FIA Cup for Production Rally Drivers in 2001.
Right, Pozzo too.
Anyway, going to sleep now. Hope that it will not finish like Poland 2009 :D
AndyRAC
11th September 2011, 01:21
But all kind of motorsport has been like this since the early 70'ies and if the talent is there then it's easier to find sponsorship.
Yes, but it's especially bad in WRC - simply not enough seats. Is the sport attractive enough to get sponsors?? Look at Chris Atkinson...good driver, could be a very good driver - should be in the WRC.
MikeD
11th September 2011, 01:28
Yes, but it's especially bad in WRC - simply not enough seats. Is the sport attractive enough to get sponsors?? Look at Chris Atkinson...good driver, could be a very good driver - should be in the WRC.
Good, but he wasn't a winning driver and therefor apparantly there are no sponsors who wants to support him. I would also like to see him in a WRC car again, but money/sponsors is the name of the game and everybody going into motorsport know that.
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 01:45
At service waitingfor cars to come in
Nobody cares about YOU...if you have a girlfriend or a family memeber here maybe 1-2-3 people
So posting "i am at service", "I am at home", "i woke up and ate breakfast" is plain SPAM... you do not even post your opinion on something !!! can you imagine what would happen if all of us posted things like that on rally threads ???
Posting news from service or from stages (try and focus on the actual events not on imaginary penalties) would be amazing...
all your posts in here just focus at your location..
we are not interested in your location...we know you are at the rally...try and contribute.
WRCfan
11th September 2011, 01:50
I think we'll have to declare a national holiday - Paddon Day.
Much more important than that stupid Rugby World Cup. He performs a million times better than the All Blacks too!
danon
11th September 2011, 01:53
What's for lunch, GG. Keep the streaming news coming...
tfp
11th September 2011, 01:54
Yes, but it's especially bad in WRC - simply not enough seats. Is the sport attractive enough to get sponsors?? Look at Chris Atkinson...good driver, could be a very good driver - should be in the WRC.
Agree with this. Theres more than just Atko though, PG for example :)
tfp
11th September 2011, 01:56
Nobody cares about YOU...if you have a girlfriend or a family memeber here maybe 1-2-3 people
So posting "i am at service", "I am at home", "i woke up and ate breakfast" is plain SPAM... you do not even post your opinion on something !!! can you imagine what would happen if all of us posted things like that on rally threads ???
Posting news from service or from stages (try and focus on the actual events not on imaginary penalties) would be amazing...
all your posts in here just focus at your location..
we are not interested in your location...we know you are at the rally...try and contribute.
Please seek advice from an anger management doctor as soon as possible :D
dimviii
11th September 2011, 02:16
I read that quote somewhere else this week on a few different websites. I think whoever wrote it hasn't done their research. They are also forgetting Gabriel Pozzo from Argentina, and of course 4 time champ Gustavo Trelles from Uruguay as focus206 has already stated.
Also Singh Karamjit @ 2002
Maui J.
11th September 2011, 02:32
Also Singh Karamjit @ 2002
Malaysia is in Northern hemisphere.
Rally Hokkaido
11th September 2011, 02:32
Also Singh Karamjit @ 2002
Please check world map. Karam lives in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia - a few hundred kilometres north of the equator.
Edit: Maui beat me!
Rally Hokkaido
11th September 2011, 02:34
Can we agree Paddon will be the first Oceanian to win a world rally title?
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 02:39
Ok :)
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 02:51
What's for lunch, GG. Keep the streaming news coming...
You really want to know or joking?
Carlo
11th September 2011, 02:55
Can we agree Paddon will be the first Oceanian to win a world rally title?
I will be happy with Hayden being the 1st member of the South Canterbury Car Club to achieve that honour
danon
11th September 2011, 03:02
You really want to know or joking?
I am serious. No jokes.
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 03:42
Kangaroo Burger ;)
danon
11th September 2011, 03:48
Kangaroo Burger ;)
No way... who's joking now :D
Carlo
11th September 2011, 03:51
No way... who's joking now :D
Kangaroo Burger = a few beers for lunch, you can taste the hops.
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 03:53
Nothing wrong with that! Just plain roo doesn't taste good. Hey enough banter about me!
grandejohn
11th September 2011, 04:05
Does anyone have link for power stage?thank you
bowler
11th September 2011, 04:36
"PWRC started in 2002. Before that it was an FIA cup, so Trelles and Pozzo were never FIA world rally champions"
Red bull
11th September 2011, 04:45
Look's like Ford want Hirvonen to win this one Latvala is losing more time...maybe team orders?
bowler
11th September 2011, 04:46
hirvonen will win under team orders
Red bull
11th September 2011, 04:54
hirvonen will win under team orders
That's boaring it's not worth staying up all night.
T.Maanteiden kuningas
11th September 2011, 04:54
Hirvonen is leading!
AP-Racing
11th September 2011, 04:56
Greatest and unbelievable victory for Mikko
Red bull
11th September 2011, 04:56
hirvonen is leading!
hellllllll!!!!!!!
AP-Racing
11th September 2011, 04:57
"Yes I stopped before the yellow board. We decided as a team that Mikko is in a better position to win the Championship so he needs all the points and of course I will help him. Of course like every driver who wants to win a rally you need a passion for it, but I need to see the bigger picture and help Mikko."
Red bull
11th September 2011, 05:03
Greatest and unbelievable victory for Mikko
NO IT IS BELIEVABLE!!! "Yes I stoppedbefore the yellow board. We decided as a team that Mikko is in a betterposition to win the Championship so he needs all the points and of course Iwill help him. Of course like every driver who wants to win a rally you need apassion for it, but I need to see the bigger picture and help Mikko."
danon
11th September 2011, 05:09
Citroen is playing tactics too...
danon
11th September 2011, 05:11
Ogie stopped at the stage... waiting...
Red bull
11th September 2011, 05:12
THIS IS PURE RUBBISH!!
Unfortunatelyhe lost his chances for the title already and we agreed in service that hewould help me. But if it was he still had a chance we would fight level. I amvery grateful that he has helped my chances of trying to win the championshipthis year."
Red bull
11th September 2011, 05:14
Citroen is playing tactics too...
How are they working while LOEB is way behind?
danon
11th September 2011, 05:17
Ogie has stopped and waited 10 or so mins...
Carlo
11th September 2011, 05:17
For our Italian friends, halftime score Rugby World Cup. Italy 6 Australia 6
danon
11th September 2011, 05:19
Nothing unites more than a common enemy.
omer yetis
11th September 2011, 05:21
how about the production cars ahead of Loeb slows down as well?
Red bull
11th September 2011, 05:23
Ford they will not win the driver's championship whatever tactics they apply and i dont see hirvonen winning another rally this year.
Bobcat
11th September 2011, 05:26
05:00 Loeb finishes SS25
"Yes I know what is going on. Ogier is slowing so that I can take the extra drivers' point because the team have made the decision that Mikko is the biggest threat to the Championship now."
05:16 Ogier comes in over 10 minutes late!
I was told by the team to slow for Loeb to go ahead. This was a team order and I respect it.
:D
azblk
11th September 2011, 05:27
Latvala and Ogier need to find new teams maybe Mini and VW...... Matako ya Punda
6789
11th September 2011, 05:32
Disappointing. Would have won $1000 if Latvala won the rally.
Red bull
11th September 2011, 05:42
Latvala and Ogier need to find new teams maybe Mini and VW...... Matako ya Punda
LOL....hiyo kali.
Red bull
11th September 2011, 05:47
Team orders are killing the WRC why not let driver in the lead win the rally....i think it would be better to have a surprise winner than of a selected winner.
Red bull
11th September 2011, 05:51
Will there also be team orders in the power stage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
grandejohn
11th September 2011, 05:52
World Rally Championship - Video - Browse All - Australia 2011: A spectacular exit for Novikov (http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-australia-2011-a-spectacular-exit-for-novikov/?vid=2309)
GINE
11th September 2011, 05:54
Any link for live powerstage.
11th September 2011, 06:02
Hey petrolheads - some great footage of the WRC Coast Forest Rally 2011, stages 13 and 17 at valla NSW on Saturday 10th Sept. Some good shots of ARC cars and Classics too...
Rally Australia 2011 Stages 13 and 17 Valla NSW Saturday 10th SEPT - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qojoEkdK0T4)
cheers, andrewayliffe@gmail.com
Red bull
11th September 2011, 06:07
05:00 Loeb finishes SS25
"Yes I know what is going on. Ogier is slowing so that I can take the extra drivers' point because the team have made the decision that Mikko is the biggest threat to the Championship now."
05:16 Ogier comes in over 10 minutes late!
I was told by the team to slow for Loeb to go ahead. This was a team order and I respect it.
:D
If that was the situation in the first place.... one of them would be the winner today
garais22
11th September 2011, 06:19
Is there link to live power stage?
Carlo
11th September 2011, 06:20
For our Italian friends, halftime score Rugby World Cup. Italy 6 Australia 6
Final score Australia 32 Italy 6.
grandejohn
11th September 2011, 06:28
did u find anything?
WRCfan
11th September 2011, 06:31
Powerstage in English live: ESPN channel
MyPremium.TV (http://www.mypremium.tv/)
AndyRAC
11th September 2011, 06:32
Citroens problems could have been avoided if they'd determined earlier in the season who No1 & No2 are.
Now we know.....
grandejohn
11th September 2011, 06:33
Powerstage in English live: ESPN channel
MyPremium.TV (http://www.mypremium.tv/)
it works 4 m.thank u!
Rally Hokkaido
11th September 2011, 06:44
Congrats to Hayden and his team - a very popular and well-earned championship win!
Robbo
11th September 2011, 06:47
Hayden - job well done - now a WRC vehicle for GB would cap the season off
HarriK
11th September 2011, 06:50
lol OGIER
T.Maanteiden kuningas
11th September 2011, 06:52
very nice to see Ogierīs face, happy french!
AndyRAC
11th September 2011, 06:59
Well done to Haydon Paddon - 2011 PWRChampion.....
What for him now though???
Miika
11th September 2011, 07:04
Now itīs Latvalaīs turn to slow down in the end.
T.Maanteiden kuningas
11th September 2011, 07:07
VICTORY.......HYVÄ SUOMI!!!!! Well done Mikko and Jari-Matti!!
AndyRAC
11th September 2011, 07:07
Now itīs Latvalaīs turn to slow down in the end.
Except he hasn't......he's beaten him......for now.....
Miika
11th September 2011, 07:10
Fordīs lack of tactical eye amazes me time after time, the other team does every trick possible even for that one single point whereas Ford cocks up even in a situation like this.
Mitch555
11th September 2011, 07:11
Ogier slows on power stage
Mitch555
11th September 2011, 07:12
Power stage that is, final straight backs off to give Loeb points
Mitch555
11th September 2011, 07:13
Loeb goes 3.3 faster than Block, takes first position.
Mitch555
11th September 2011, 07:14
One feels stupid when they realise they aren't watching live :P
AP-Racing
11th September 2011, 07:23
Team orders are killing the WRC why not let driver in the lead win the rally....i think it would be better to have a surprise winner than of a selected winner.
Super-rally killing WRC....no SR no tactics
Rallyper
11th September 2011, 07:26
Fordīs lack of tactical eye amazes me time after time, the other team does every trick possible even for that one single point whereas Ford cocks up even in a situation like this.
I guess JML (Ford) has his own battle with Petter (Citroen) in the overall standings. Thatīs why he was given to fight on the powerstage.
Daniel
11th September 2011, 07:53
Ahh yet another clown is commenting now.
Well guess what I dont care 1 toss what you think!!!!
It was nothing to do with you Ste, your xenophobic little friend took a silly dig at Citroen for what Ford and other teams have done in the past.......
Carlo
11th September 2011, 08:13
Have just returned from local watering hole where a number of members of Tteam Timaru" have been celebrating the success of Hayden and John. We are all very proud of our local lad.
Within 20 minutes of them crossing the finish line we all received a txt from Hayden advising that they were estatic with the result and thanking everyone for the supportive messages and help.
ste898
11th September 2011, 08:37
Fantastic result.......finally a WRC rally worth watching as the plague didnt win!!!!!!
Daniel
11th September 2011, 08:38
Fantastic result.......finally a WRC rally worth watching as the plague didnt win!!!!!!
Do you ever stop jibber jabbering?
dimviii
11th September 2011, 08:39
Congrats to Paddon for his pace through the rally and the whole championship.For sure well deserved.His progress was astonishing this year.
Interesting to see how Ogier will manage the 2nd driver rule at next rallies.Loeb signed for 2 years....
ste898
11th September 2011, 08:39
It was nothing to do with you Ste, your xenophobic little friend took a silly dig at Citroen for what Ford and other teams have done in the past.......
My 'FRIEND' was 100% correct as I always still feel that frogs are cheats!!!!!!!!!
Daniel
11th September 2011, 08:42
My 'FRIEND' was 100% correct as I always still feel that frogs are cheats!!!!!!!!!
So even though Ford did exactly the same, Citroen were the evil ones for servicing their cars with some secrecy :laugh:
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 08:44
Apparently I was blabbering too much before Daniel :P
Daniel
11th September 2011, 08:48
Apparently I was blabbering too much before Daniel :P
To be fair I can understand why NOT got slightly annoyed at your need to constantly update your position and so on :p
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 08:59
Boo! How often do you have this much fun?
I hope some people were ok with it ;)
At Podium now
Karukera
11th September 2011, 09:24
Refreshing to stop that streak of wins but Latvala handing over a deserved win also provided the sex wax to a dull Hirvonen.
And they think they still can win a title ? :laugh:
Glamorous Fordies ! :up:
tfp
11th September 2011, 09:33
Get in hirrvonen, great rally, great result, well done hirvonen and jml for being more proffessional than ogier! Really glad hirvonen won this event! Poeticjustice for citroen :-)
AP-Racing
11th September 2011, 10:06
Novikov
http://www.almrally.ru/imagelib/WRC/Date/2011/10_Australia/2011_09_11_austr_novikov_031.jpg
http://www.almrally.ru/imagelib/WRC/Date/2011/10_Australia/2011_09_11_austr_novikov_032.jpg
Wim_Impreza
11th September 2011, 10:13
Super-rally killing WRC....no SR no tactics
Completely agree.
Matthew Wilson who ended fourth says it all about the level in WRC.
Josti
11th September 2011, 10:41
Super-rally killing WRC....no SR no tactics
I agree too, super-rally should get the ax, or at least go back to the original system when you couldn't be classified anymore after retirement.
Maui J.
11th September 2011, 10:47
Well done to Hayden and John.
Hayden has proved he is a thinking driver and knows when to push and when to slow down to secure position.
A fantastic result to wrap up the series with 2 rounds to spare.
Hopefully this championship win will also help secure more sponsorship towards next year.
Luis Pacheco
11th September 2011, 10:48
Novikov
http://www.almrally.ru/imagelib/WRC/Date/2011/10_Australia/2011_09_11_austr_novikov_031.jpg
http://www.almrally.ru/imagelib/WRC/Date/2011/10_Australia/2011_09_11_austr_novikov_032.jpg
Giraudet when is in problems always says he loves his women.
In 2000 with Auriol
http://youtu.be/QksULoRa30s
And now with Novikov :)
http://youtu.be/PDVLHb1CxdM
focus206
11th September 2011, 11:13
Congratlations to Hirvonen for the win and to Paddon, he deserved the title!
At the same time I'm disappointed, because the team orders at Citroen mean that now we have just a 2-way fight (ok, almost 1 way :rolleyes :) instead of a 3-way fight...
I'm also disappointed of Novikov, another off...
Instead race of the year (or of the career) for Wilson and Al Qassimi :D
Miika
11th September 2011, 11:52
I guess JML (Ford) has his own battle with Petter (Citroen) in the overall standings. Thatīs why he was given to fight on the powerstage.
Apparently at Ford they hadnīt even thought about the chance of using tactics in the last stage, whether to slow down or to go full attack, which is again unbelievable stuff from Malcolmīs kitchen. Citroen holds down Ogier twice to get Loeb a couple of extra points whereas Ford doesnīt even realise they could get one more freebie point for Mikko. Either you play the tactical game 100% or just better leave it once and for all.
Mikko: "To be honest we didn’t really think about it. We were a little bit late with that."
World Rally Championship - News - Q&A: Mikko Hirvonen (http://wrc.com/news/qa-mikko-hirvonen/?fid=15387)
T.Maanteiden kuningas
11th September 2011, 12:06
Oh dear, not great result from Novikov. Real russian rocket :)
bretddog
11th September 2011, 12:22
Apparently at Ford they hadnīt even thought about the chance of using tactics in the last stage, whether to slow down or to go full attack, which is again unbelievable stuff from Malcolmīs kitchen. Citroen holds down Ogier twice to get Loeb a couple of extra points whereas Ford doesnīt even realise they could get one more freebie point for Mikko. Either you play the tactical game 100% or just better leave it once and for all.
Mikko: "To be honest we didn’t really think about it. We were a little bit late with that."
World Rally Championship - News - Q&A: Mikko Hirvonen (http://wrc.com/news/qa-mikko-hirvonen/?fid=15387)
I can't believe Malcolm didn't think about it.. Can he really be that stupid..? And what about the others in the team? They had like 2 days to ponder over this. Or is he's just too soft at heart to order double tactic by JML, for potentially 1 extra point. ?
..or maybe they reckoned Latvala would beat Loebs time and hence take the point from that side.
Daniel
11th September 2011, 12:40
Well done to Haydon Paddon - 2011 PWRChampion.....
What for him now though???
Obscurity probably, just like all PWRC champs :(
mm1
11th September 2011, 12:52
Araujo is in a wrc mini, with top performances :)
Nornbugger
11th September 2011, 12:57
Giraudet when is in problems always says he loves his women.
In 2000 with Auriol
http://youtu.be/QksULoRa30s
And now with Novikov :)
http://youtu.be/PDVLHb1CxdM
Giraudet didnt seem so happy, maybe they should have interviewed him after the accident too, I dont think he would have blamed the pacenotes!
Who'll be next to sit with Novikov?
Francis44
11th September 2011, 13:33
It looks like this was a problem during the recce. From what I understood Novikov wanted the corner to be flat on the notes and Giraudet advised him not too and in the the crash it seems that he was blaming Novikov for not listening to him.
Barreis
11th September 2011, 13:34
Maybe the best roads in the championship.
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 13:44
An easily forgoten rally....boring since stage 2 and with team orders from both teams at the end....
meh...
T.Maanteiden kuningas
11th September 2011, 13:51
Finland 41 double win.
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 14:41
Giraudet when is in problems always says he loves his women.
In 2000 with Auriol
http://youtu.be/QksULoRa30s
And now with Novikov :)
http://youtu.be/PDVLHb1CxdM
words os wisdom by Giraudet at the end....
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 14:50
Were they not Novikov's notes? I heard WRC Crew saying that he did the notes...
Barreis
11th September 2011, 14:57
"one day you'll have to listen little bit.."
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 15:00
Were they not Novikov's notes? I heard WRC Crew saying that he did the notes...
where are you now ?? i am anxious...
GigiGalliNo1
11th September 2011, 15:05
Going to sleep! Its after midnight!
Barreis
11th September 2011, 15:06
you did good job.
MikeD
11th September 2011, 15:09
Refreshing to stop that streak of wins but Latvala handing over a deserved win also provided the sex wax to a dull Hirvonen.
And they think they still can win a title ? :laugh:
Glamorous Fordies ! :up:
I agree. It's just plain stupid not to have Latvala have his deserved win because Loeb is 15 points in front of Hirvonen and he just needs to outscore Hirvonen with 13 points over the next 2 tarmac rallies - and since we have already seen Ford's tarmac pace that shouldn't be too difficult. But Malcom Wilson will never learn and he will keep going with all his pathetic tactics and teamorders instead of building a competitive team.
SubaruNorway
11th September 2011, 15:15
I can't make out where Denis Giraudet calls the left, i think he should change his pacenote system cos it's just too much information for Novikov obvioulsy.
Barreis
11th September 2011, 15:17
you thought for his brain.
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 15:34
I can't make out where Denis Giraudet calls the left, i think he should change his pacenote system cos it's just too much information for Novikov obvioulsy.
The driver is responsible for the pacenote system not the c0-driver.
SubaruNorway
11th September 2011, 15:42
The driver is responsible for the pacenote system not the c0-driver.
Did i say that? I've watched the clip 10 times and i still can't hear Giraudet say left though.
bretddog
11th September 2011, 15:49
I can't make out where Denis Giraudet calls the left, i think he should change his pacenote system cos it's just too much information for Novikov obvioulsy.
Notes sounds not so busy to me, but the accent is a risk of it's own..
Anyway, it sounds like he calls:
CREST
IMMIDIATELY ZERO RIGHT LONG
TIGTHENS 1 ...?
Rallyper
11th September 2011, 15:54
It looks like this was a problem during the recce. From what I understood Novikov wanted the corner to be flat on the notes and Giraudet advised him not too and in the the crash it seems that he was blaming Novikov for not listening to him.
Anyway - Novikov will be a great contender in the WRC in the future, maybe even already next year, because heīs still learning and that education means a couple of crashes. Every top driver have to go through what happended to Novikov today before they become top WRC drivers.
Still learning BTW doesnīt mean a five year plan. He will be faster and more consistent long before that.
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 16:18
Anyway - Novikov will be a great contender in the WRC in the future, maybe even already next year, because heīs still learning and that education means a couple of crashes. Every top driver have to go through what happended to Novikov today before they become top WRC drivers.
Still learning BTW doesnīt mean a five year plan. He will be faster and more consistent long before that.
in case you didn't notice Novikov practised the crashing-Learning education plan in a citroen already..
The only advantage is that he is very young, if he has the money he has a future because the speed is there....the fact that he ignores co-drivers reminds me of Duval and we all know where that lead...
also he likes hamburgers...
MJW
11th September 2011, 16:30
....the fact that he ignores co-drivers reminds me of Duval and we all know where that lead...
also he likes hamburgers... i very rarely agree with N.O.T, but he is correct with this. Its not like Stephane Prevot and Denis Giraudet are novice co-drivers. I hope no ones gets injured.
Jafry
11th September 2011, 16:59
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/924/924_rally_australia_2011_94fabf08d2.jpg
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/924/924_rally_australia_2011_62e6ef6343.jpg
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/924/924_rally_australia_2011_1fff8a2e43.jpg
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/924/924_rally_australia_2011_cd66553645.jpg
More photos from Australia HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=924&fseason=2011)
AndyRAC
11th September 2011, 17:01
Novikov is talented, however, the point of pace notes is to listen to them! If Giraudet tells you a note for a corner should be slower, then follow his advice - he's been there, done that & got the t-shirt.
Barreis
11th September 2011, 17:21
It's good for P.Solberg with that podium.
irish_tiger
11th September 2011, 19:25
Notes sounds not so busy to me, but the accent is a risk of it's own..
Anyway, it sounds like he calls:
CREST
IMMIDIATELY ZERO RIGHT LONG
TIGTHENS 1 ...?
No i think it was :
Crest Left
immidiately Zero Right long
Tigthens 1
Think the accent might be alot of the problem do , broken english , plus Denis has to repeat his notes alot , weather this is due not to having no confidence in the driver could also be a factor ... I would think it will be his last time in the car no matter how much Russian Rubles will be on offer !!! I think he values going home to Marie more than taking his life in the hands of the Russian !!! If you look at the end of the clip wnen all the crashing and banging stops Novikov shakes his head and hits the gear stick knowing it was his fault ....
Barreis
11th September 2011, 19:31
yeah, it happens.
DonJippo
11th September 2011, 19:44
No i think it was :
Crest Left
immidiately Zero Right long
Tigthens 1
To me it sounds
crest immediate left zero right long ...
Barreis
11th September 2011, 19:50
Can't wait for another rally.
irish_tiger
11th September 2011, 20:13
To me it sounds
crest immediate left zero right long ...
Sorry that was a typo , you are correct , and the note was right - the left was immediately after the crest
alleskids
11th September 2011, 20:14
i very rarely agree with N.O.T, but he is correct with this. Its not like Stephane Prevot and Denis Giraudet are novice co-drivers. I hope no ones gets injured.
Giraudet sounded like he was scared of Novikovs driving skills. Also the repeating of the notes is not helping Novikov in "relaxing"" during the drive. Maybe it is time for Denis to stay at home with the family instead of risking his life with a no-listening driver
MikeD
11th September 2011, 20:50
Anybody got any pictures of Saliuk from Rally Australia?
bluuford
11th September 2011, 21:26
Novikov
http://www.almrally.ru/imagelib/WRC/Date/2011/10_Australia/2011_09_11_austr_novikov_031.jpg
http://www.almrally.ru/imagelib/WRC/Date/2011/10_Australia/2011_09_11_austr_novikov_032.jpg
His sponsor must be angry for his money... Three crashes in Australia by Novikov. and zero points so far... He is real crashing talent.
And by the way, my half marathon went well, bit Matt Wilson style.. consistently till the end.. and i am still alive :-)
wrc1600
11th September 2011, 21:51
I agree. It's just plain stupid not to have Latvala have his deserved win because Loeb is 15 points in front of Hirvonen and he just needs to outscore Hirvonen with 13 points over the next 2 tarmac rallies - and since we have already seen Ford's tarmac pace that shouldn't be too difficult. But Malcom Wilson will never learn and he will keep going with all his pathetic tactics and teamorders instead of building a competitive team.
Never say never
bluuford
11th September 2011, 22:32
I was thinking about the Ogier story and did some calculations. It seems that Citroen bosses were really angry that their drivers practically ruined the chance to collect Manufacturer or driver titles at their home rally. Now even Citroen 1,2,3 is not enough to secure their manufacturer title in France (Even if Ford finishes 4th and 5th and Citroen 1,2,3 then their points difference will be 84 while it is possible to collect 86 manu points in last two remaining rounds.. So, now they made sure that their drivers are not some kind of individuals but part of the team... and about Ogier.. it is much easier to give away your 8-th place than to give away your win :-)
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 22:49
The thing is that now both championships are determined..Only if Loeb does mistakes will lose the drivers title and only if Ogier follows him Citroen will lose the manufacturers one.
That crash Ogier had destroyed any interest in the championship...
focus206
11th September 2011, 23:24
The thing is that now both championships are determined..Only if Loeb does mistakes will lose the drivers title and only if Ogier follows him Citroen will lose the manufacturers one.
That crash Ogier had destroyed any interest in the championship...
I agree...
I think the Manufacturer's championship is over, it's quite impossible for Citroen to lose so much points in 3 events (and 2 of them on tarmac).
In the Driver's championship Hirvonen have still some little chanches, but only if Loeb have big problems on all the remaining rallies...
N.O.T
11th September 2011, 23:35
In the Driver's championship Hirvonen have still some little chanches, but only if Loeb have big problems on all the remaining rallies...
he can win the championship without even winning the next 3 rounds.
tfp
11th September 2011, 23:38
Congratulations once again to Mikko for the win and Ford for the 1-2. And Jari Matti for showing such incredible professionalism(sp?) and sportsmanship.
When you dont get it so often, victory tastes all the more sweet :D :D :D
ZequeArgentina
12th September 2011, 00:36
Hayden winning the PWRC and becoming the 1st person from the southern hemisphere to win a a world rally title is not a matter of life or death, it is far more serious than that.
Trelles (from Uruguay) several times, and also Pozzo (from Argentina in 2011) were also group N champions!!
Mintexmemory
12th September 2011, 00:40
Well congratulations to Ford (at last), but much as I like Mikko I can't congratulate him he drove a very safe and consistent rally but would have been comfortably 4th if the Sebs hadn't self-destructed. He was never up with Jari-Matti's pace who even before the joint Sebicide was making up for his SS3 spin and would I think have challenged the Citroens. Just hope that the whole championship is decided before Wales so that JML can drive without any handicaps, congratulations to him for being the ultimate team player.
N.O.T
12th September 2011, 00:45
Well congratulations to Ford (at last), but much as I like Mikko I can't congratulate him he drove a very safe and consistent rally but would have been comfortably 4th if the Sebs hadn't self-destructed. He was never up with Jari-Matti's pace who even before the joint Sebicide was making up for his SS3 spin and would I think have challenged the Citroens. Just hope that the whole championship is decided before Wales so that JML can drive without any handicaps, congratulations to him for being the ultimate team player.
the championship will end mathematically in Spain.
GigiGalliNo1
12th September 2011, 02:19
Anybody got any pictures of Saliuk from Rally Australia?
I think I have, will look :)
GigiGalliNo1
12th September 2011, 02:21
What I'm having for breakfast after the rally this morning in Coffs Harbour!
Instagram (http://t.co/ZGqfc1m)
Last post like this, really :)
6789
12th September 2011, 03:55
Anybody got any pictures of Saliuk from Rally Australia?
I'll have some, what number was it sorry?
bowler
12th September 2011, 04:50
Trelles (from Uruguay) several times, and also Pozzo (from Argentina in 2011) were also group N champions!!
you are correct, but it was not the PWRC Championship, it was the PWRC Cup. The Championship started in 2002
KKS
12th September 2011, 07:15
Novikov is talented, however, the point of pace notes is to listen to them! If Giraudet tells you a note for a corner should be slower, then follow his advice - he's been there, done that & got the t-shirt.
If you watch full video - you might be know that corner is not 1, at least it's 2 tigthens. Denis tell him that corner Left1, but it's much slower, so IMHO it's not driving or listening mistake.
KKS
12th September 2011, 07:23
His sponsor must be angry for his money... Three crashes in Australia by Novikov. and zero points so far... He is real crashing talent.
And by the way, my half marathon went well, bit Matt Wilson style.. consistently till the end.. and i am still alive :-)
He himself a sponsor :D or his father
KKS
12th September 2011, 07:25
Anybody got any pictures of Saliuk from Rally Australia?
Hello to Spanish Mentos Ascania fan club :) . No Ukrainian photographers in Australia so we got only one shot #30 from shakedown http://gallery.dingardo.geek.nz/cache/rally-australia-2011/shakedown/d3fb1e51371bdd25f363442671a8cd14d9553e5c.jpg
Barreis
12th September 2011, 07:57
What I'm having for breakfast after the rally this morning in Coffs Harbour!
Instagram (http://t.co/ZGqfc1m)
Last post like this, really :)
Thx for photos and infos.
tolis
12th September 2011, 10:14
Day 2 highlights: WRC 2011 - Rally (http://www.woop.gr/content/39464/wrc-2011-rally-australias-day-2)
Day 3 highlights: WRC 2011 - Rally (http://www.woop.gr/content/39588/wrc-2011-rally-australias-day-3)
clem126
12th September 2011, 10:45
Giraudet sounded like he was scared of Novikovs driving skills. Also the repeating of the notes is not helping Novikov in "relaxing"" during the drive. Maybe it is time for Denis to stay at home with the family instead of risking his life with a no-listening driver
I'm not sure about that, but i think i hear Novikov say "again" pretty often so Denis repeat the note...
MikeD
12th September 2011, 10:55
I think I have, will look :)
Thanks :)
I'll have some, what number was it sorry?
It's car no. 30 - (Mentos Ascania Racing)
6789
12th September 2011, 10:57
Thanks :)
It's car no. 30 - (Mentos Ascania Racing)
My photos from Rally Australia are here - WRC Rally Australia 2011 | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150317729379243.366978.653429242&l=f83206cde2&type=1)
PM me your email and I can send originals over if you like :)
MikeD
12th September 2011, 10:58
Never say never
I will say "never". Hirvonen has only beaten Loeb once this year and that was in Sweden. In Australia Loeb was ahead of Hirvonen before he crashed - and for Hirvonen to win the championship he will have to beat Loeb (and most likely also Ogier) on the final 3 events where two of them are tarmac. It's not going to happen!
bretddog
12th September 2011, 11:43
I will say "never". Hirvonen has only beaten Loeb once this year and that was in Sweden. In Australia Loeb was ahead of Hirvonen before he crashed - and for Hirvonen to win the championship he will have to beat Loeb (and most likely also Ogier) on the final 3 events where two of them are tarmac. It's not going to happen!
The argument being if Malcolms team orders were a good strategy.. Of course it is.
If Loeb retires with 0 points on any of the tarmac rounds, Hirvonen has a realistic chance, by snatching a 3-2-1 finish in the remaining rallies. Points:
196 00 28 20 : 244
181 20 16 28 : 245
Malcolm would look again like a complete dork if this happened and tactics had not been played.
Mintexmemory
12th September 2011, 12:40
The argument being if Malcolms team orders were a good strategy.. Of course it is.
If Loeb retires with 0 points on any of the tarmac rounds, Hirvonen has a realistic chance, by snatching a 3-2-1 finish in the remaining rallies. Points:
196 00 28 20 : 244
181 20 16 28 : 245
Malcolm would look again like a complete dork if this happened and tactics had not been played.
I see 2009 repeating itself except Mikko is in even less of a good position than then when finishing ahead of Loeb in either of the last 2 events would have guaranteed Mikko the DWC. If by some magic Loeb fails to open an unbeatable lead in the 2 tarmac rallies, (Spain he's won for the past 4 years and the first Alsace Rally France was tantamount to a demonstration run ) then does anyone think Mikko has the nerve to take it to Loeb in Wales? Remind me who has won the last 3 WRGBs.
Only spanner in the works would be if Sordo takes the Mini closer to the limit in Spain (please) and disrupts the Citroen plan
raybak
12th September 2011, 13:27
Sorry double post :(
raybak
12th September 2011, 13:28
Hi all,
Just back from Rally Oz, we were competing in the National event in the trusty EVO 5 Lancer. Broke a front right driveshaft on the 2nd Super Special Thursday night, had to rejoin Friday morning with a penalty for DNF'ing. We were 39th so the only way was up. First stage for Friday was Shipmans, there were cars off everywhere. Was so slippery, you couldn't judge the roads by the colour as you usually can with the different soil types, mostly the road was grey and you could go from grip to no grip without any visible difference. Saw Block off in a tree, went woohoo we beat Ken Block :)
The next stage was Brooklana where Loeb rolled, we were on the start line getting ready to go when they canned the stage as it was blocked by Michael Boaden. We eventually transported through and it was extremely slippy even at transport speeds. Loeb didn't look to happy when we went past.
Next stage had to be regreened so another wait of about 40 mins, was stretching the day out for us and we had only completed one stage competively. Had a bit of a go through the stage and were 15th, not too bad up against a lot of newer cars like EVO 9's and such with electronic diffs.
Next was regroup then service, but they didn't close up the field in the regroup, isn't that what a regroup is for? We were still over an hour behind the front ARC guys who had got through before the 4th stage was blocked.
Did the repeat of Shipmans, even worse this time with more cars off, water splashes were a lot deeper the second time through. Hopefully there's some good photos of us going through the water splash at the main speccy point on Shipmans. Next to Brooklana, we hada book in time of 5.22pm and the road had to be opened at 5.30pm for the residents. The Stage Commander made the call to can the stage, this was a smart move as there were residents there waiting to get into their houses. Also the next stage was canned as well, so we did 3 forest stages for the day.
Back to Regroup and did the 2 Super Specials again, this time not breaking anything but doing a loop on the 2nd run losing us about 10 secs.
Saturday was much better weather, with some awesome stages to be run. I wreckon Welshes has to be one of the best stages in OZ. We had a shocker of a day with broken power steering early on and not enough time to change it at service. Derek now has arms like Popeye :) Also had an electrical problem that manifested itself on the last Super Special, the car died on the start line and it took us about 3 mins to find the problem so we did 7 minutes for the stage.
Went spectating Sunday as the ARC field only ran the first 2 days. Went to main speccy point at Arrawarra(AKA Sherwood Rd) plenty of people there but not really a good spot, went to the enthusiast point for the 2nd running of Plum Pudding and it was much better. Then headed over to the water splash at the Power stage, this wasn't a speccy point but was near a road closure that we all know, there were around 200 people there. Was some interesting lines through the water splash, Block was very quick and as you can see by his times they were pretty good. Henning came out of the water splash and seemed to be like a pinball going up the road bouncing off banks on each side.
Overall I think it was a good rally, we managed to salvage some points and will be going into the final round in Victoria with a 3 way battle for the championship so all is good.
Had a good chat with Ogier on Sunday night, he's going to not even think about changing teams until the season is over, he is focussed on doing his job at the moment then will assess things at end of season.
Loeb wasn't very chatty, I think he was over it a bit and just wanted to get home.
We will be running at Coffs next year, they are going to run the event as a stand alone ARC just to keep some continuity. Great location for a rally, great people, just need a better Super Special :)
Ray
MikeD
12th September 2011, 19:03
....Hirvonen has a realistic chance, by snatching a 3-2-1 finish in the remaining rallies. Points:
Maybe on planet Pluto but not on planet earth. Did you actually follow Hirvonens tarmac speed in Germany? Did that give any indication that he could finish in top 2 on a tarmac event this season?
The chances of Loeb having a DNF on tarmac are far smaller than Hirvonens. After all Hirvonen is behind and has to try and drive over the limit to prevent Ogier and Sordo from taking points from him on tarmac.
It's not gonna happen and that's why Malcom's teamorder was a joke! Latvala won fair and square and should have taken the win.
Malcolm would look again like a complete dork if this happened and tactics had not been played.
He don't need tactics to look like that ;)
Mintexmemory
12th September 2011, 19:41
Nice inside view from Raybak
bretddog
12th September 2011, 20:29
Maybe on planet Pluto but not on planet earth. Did you actually follow Hirvonens tarmac speed in Germany? Did that give any indication that he could finish in top 2 on a tarmac event this season?
The chances of Loeb having a DNF on tarmac are far smaller than Hirvonens. After all Hirvonen is behind and has to try and drive over the limit to prevent Ogier and Sordo from taking points from him on tarmac.
It's not gonna happen and that's why Malcom's teamorder was a joke! Latvala won fair and square and should have taken the win.
If Ford can't find more speed they can just as well give up. Excluding Mikko's puncture, he was about as fast as Sordo in Germany. The 2nd position is of course the event where Loeb would retire.
There was simply nothing to gain from letting Latvala win. Instead, now they are still in the game, and with increased pressure on Citroen.
Maybe you feel one need a decent chance to justify such tactics. But imo a 5% chance will suffice. Citroen obviously also take the threat seriously, hence their team orders. So both Ford and Citroen respect the probabilities. If you disagree with them and say they both make silly management, ok, I don't.
Risk is a function of probability and consequence. Low probability does not dictate low risk.
Barreis
12th September 2011, 21:50
It's boring without action.
TKM Jnr
13th September 2011, 07:32
Wasn't at this one driving. After competing in the last 2 rounds of the ARC, we went up just to have a look and did some spectating. Was still a good weekend away.
We were on SS6 Shipmans 2 on friday, then on Saturday out to Valla and Valla 2 (SS13 and SS17).
The best one would have been Bucca 2 SS24 on Sunday.
Took some video just on a phone, here is some from shipmans, more to come later tonight.
Friday - Shipmans SS6 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fq7o2Dj8Oq4)
Tristan
MAXYrally
13th September 2011, 07:41
Hi,
A bit of insight from a competitor's point of view at Rally Australia: we entered the WRC section in a Group N Ford Fiesta ST and ran at the back of the WRC field. There were only three 2WD cars in WRC, Harry Hunt in his DS3 R3, us and another Fiesta driven by Adrian Coppin.
Unfortunately recce did not go smoothly: another competitor forgot that in Australia we drive on the left side of the road and we were lucky to avoid a head on crash at highway speeds! The recce car was written off, but at least nobody got injured and we were able to continue, even if that was without side windows and with some airbags hanging from the roof.
Apart from that we had a very good event, only had some troubles with the rear wheel bearings on Saturday morning but that got fixed at service. Friday was incredibly slippery, the roads have a clay base and the tyres just slide on it without getting any grip. With so many WRC cars off the road we were 16th at the end of day 1.
The roads on day 2 were completely different, very fast and real pleasure to drive. Welshes is probably one of the best stages in the ARC at the moment, with Grace a close second! We had to keep in mind that this was also part of the Australian Rally Championship, so we did not take any crazy risks and bagged good points for the 2WD class (which we are currently leading).
Day 3 was back on narrow forest roads which got quite rough on the second pass, but the weather was nice and we had a lot of fun driving without any championship pressure. The first stage, Bucca, was really nice but the power stage was not bad too given that it did not make a good impression when we did recce. In the end we won Group 8, finished 22nd in WRC, 2nd 2WD in both WRC and ARC.
This was a very different Rally Australia compared to 2009, there were a lot of spectators and all of them were very friendly with no rock-throwing locals in sight. There were issues with they way the Coffs SSS was organised, something to be expected for a brand new event.
We will be back in 2013, hopefully joined by more Australian crews!
Raz
MAXYrally (http://www.MAXYrally.com)
6789
13th September 2011, 08:23
Hi,
A bit of insight from a competitor's point of view at Rally Australia: we entered the WRC section in a Group N Ford Fiesta ST and ran at the back of the WRC field. There were only three 2WD cars in WRC, Harry Hunt in his DS3 R3, us and another Fiesta driven by Adrian Coppin.
Unfortunately recce did not go smoothly: another competitor forgot that in Australia we drive on the left side of the road and we were lucky to avoid a head on crash at highway speeds! The recce car was written off, but at least nobody got injured and we were able to continue, even if that was without side windows and with some airbags hanging from the roof.
Apart from that we had a very good event, only had some troubles with the rear wheel bearings on Saturday morning but that got fixed at service. Friday was incredibly slippery, the roads have a clay base and the tyres just slide on it without getting any grip. With so many WRC cars off the road we were 16th at the end of day 1.
The roads on day 2 were completely different, very fast and real pleasure to drive. Welshes is probably one of the best stages in the ARC at the moment, with Grace a close second! We had to keep in mind that this was also part of the Australian Rally Championship, so we did not take any crazy risks and bagged good points for the 2WD class (which we are currently leading).
Day 3 was back on narrow forest roads which got quite rough on the second pass, but the weather was nice and we had a lot of fun driving without any championship pressure. The first stage, Bucca, was really nice but the power stage was not bad too given that it did not make a good impression when we did recce. In the end we won Group 8, finished 22nd in WRC, 2nd 2WD in both WRC and ARC.
This was a very different Rally Australia compared to 2009, there were a lot of spectators and all of them were very friendly with no rock-throwing locals in sight. There were issues with they way the Coffs SSS was organised, something to be expected for a brand new event.
We will be back in 2013, hopefully joined by more Australian crews!
Raz
MAXYrally (http://www.MAXYrally.com)
What car number? I'll forward some shots, got you at a jump in Bucca
Livewireshock
14th September 2011, 06:42
Anybody got any pictures of Saliuk from Rally Australia?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/livewireshock/6145892630
Saliuk at PWRC Testing - Rally Australia 2011 (http://flic.kr/p/an6iL3)
Hope this works.
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