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[dimviii]

but when the EvoX, which doesn't fit either to any FIA group and is again faster (and also cheaper to buy & run) then R5, they are silent.....interesting.


of course its not fair the N+ against the r5.Its the same like 911s.
be sure that if they were somebody who had cheered about the N+ win i would write the same.

[PLuto]

I think that this "open" regulations in Spain helped that there were almost no regular cars according to international homologation. And I am happy that they are starting to going back to normal roots...

[dimviii]

Vallejos ds3

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeVEWWyW4AA6sEY.jpg

[Ciko]

Robert Butor is testing his new toy. :D He will start on Eger Rally (H) next week.

https://youtu.be/rXNuKvxxegE
http://pirirc.hu/kepek/item/2635-butor-robert-teszt-2016-by-photo-csn

[Ucci]

And I am happy that they are starting to going back to normal roots...

With R4+?? I don't know if this is what you meant....

[PLuto]

With R4+?? I don't know if this is what you meant....

For sure not with R4+, this is "shit" category. But with banning unrestricted GT cars and returning to "normal" cars...

[Rally Power]

Under N+ what fuel are you able to run? In NZ some of the Evo's running E85 and 36mm restrictors are up over 260wkw. What is cheaper/easier to maintain though, an Evo or an R5?

They've used E85 in the past, I think they still do. The power values are similar from those you've mention.

Because only manufacturers tuners are authorized to make R5 cars, drivers are forced to get the cars, racing parts and major revisions on those official structures, at clearly overpriced costs, while N+ drivers can get their cars from several private tuners and chose components from different suppliers, profiting from a wider market competition that makes N+ prices more affordable.

[Rally Power]

For sure not with R4+, this is "shit" category. But with banning unrestricted GT cars and returning to "normal" cars...

Shitty was the way FIA implemented R4 and RGT, unable them to be direct rivals to S2000's and R5's. FIA looked like promoting rally car diversity, but they never had the intention to make R4 and RGT truly competitive on the rally scene!

[Mirek]

R4 was nonsense from the start. There is no point promoting a dead horse.

[dimviii]

Vallejo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CevBpODW4AASwRF.jpg:large

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Entry List Lavanttal Rally:

http://www.lavanttal-rallye.at/2016/DOK/nennliste.pdf

[tc10a]

Lavanttal Rallye 2016 - round 2 of Austrian championship:

Very nice entry list: http://www.lavanttal-rallye.at/2016/nennliste.html

Leading entries:
Baumschlager - Skoda Fabia R5
Kreim - Skoda Fabia R5
Grössing - Ford Fiesta WRC
Neubauer - Ford Fiesta WRC
Hunziker - Mini WRC
....

[aykutbilir]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160331/ed131949010970f6917f1e37ce081000.jpg

As it is about two weeks to start Turkish Rally Champs, press meeting of BC Vision Motorsport held at Istanbul Bosphours.

There will be four crews;
Burak Cukurova - Vedat Bostanci with 208 T16
Ahmet Burkay - Bilge Ayan with DS3 R3T
Alparslan Cukurova - Ertugrul Gunduz with 208 R2
Alptekin Iskalp - Selin Ozgur with Palio Gr.N

208's and DS3 will be run by Team Fruil Italy.

Season opening will be at Izmir Aeagen Rally at 16-17 th of April.

I will be attending to the team as Techincal Manager.


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[hari]

Gallery: Gravel Test - Fabian Kreim / Frank Christian, Skoda Fabia R5:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_brr_test_300316_fabian_kreim_frank_christian _brr_skoda_fabia_r5.html

http://www.ir7.at/gal_kreim.jpg (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_brr_test_300316_fabian_kreim_frank_christian _brr_skoda_fabia_r5.html)

[Rally Power]

Only Vallejo and Perez (Fiesta) competing with R5's at spanish next round. It seems local drivers are waiting to see how much N+ cars can improve on the continental roads. In Mitsu team, Garcia has now Monarri as team mate. Portuguese R5's drivers Vieira (DS) and Barros (Fiesta) will also compete, testing for portuguese next rally. http://www.rallyesierramorena.com/listainscritos.html

[cosmin_sb]

Brasov Rally, first round of Romanian championship:
1 Tempestini Fiesta R5 59:20min
2 Gartofan Fabia R5 +0:33,6min
3 Marisca Fiesta R5 +1:20,8min

[Rally Power]

Vallejo DS3 test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrXFB4sU17Q

[Mirek]

Huge battle in Hungarian/Slovak Rally Eger: http://www.srs.sk/vysledky_new/index.php?gx=91&co=20&ang=1&obn=&farba=&rs=RS09&idp=v&ids=v&tr=v&prep=&ho=&idr=&srp=

After 9 stages Grzyb (Pol) leading ahead of Valoušek (Cze) and Herzig (Hun) but they change their positions very often.

5 WRC, 13 R5, 3 S2000, 8 R4 or the great F2 306 Maxi of Bútor started in the rally!

[TWRC]

Huge battle in Hungarian/Slovak Rally Eger: http://www.srs.sk/vysledky_new/index.php?gx=91&co=20&ang=1&obn=&farba=&rs=RS09&idp=v&ids=v&tr=v&prep=&ho=&idr=&srp=

After 9 stages Grzyb (Pol) leading ahead of Valoušek (Cze) and Herzig (Hun) but they change their positions very often.

5 WRC, 13 R5, 3 S2000, 8 R4 or the great F2 306 Maxi of Bútor started in the rally!
Just arrived back, unfortunately had time only for this day. But what a day it was!
The standard and the pace was very high, with almost everybody suffering from punctures (Herczig or Melichárek for example), and great atmosphere. The "old" 306 Maxi generated more interest than the R5s serviced next to it, and also on the stages everybody was waiting for it, like it was a messiah or something :D The "evo" 208 T16 with Janika retired after stage 5 with an engine problem, it started right before me, sounded like it went to three then to two cylinders, but nothing has been said about it so far. All in all a great day, and I'm sure tomorrow will be just as good as well. Good luck to everybody still in competition!

[MartijnS]

Funny, in the Netherlands few weeks ago also the 306 Maxi of Madsen was the car that everybody thought was the most interesting one. They still sound and look great.

[TWRC]

Just arrived back, unfortunately had time only for this day. But what a day it was!
The standard and the pace was very high, with almost everybody suffering from punctures (Herczig or Melichárek for example), and great atmosphere. The "old" 306 Maxi generated more interest than the R5s serviced next to it, and also on the stages everybody was waiting for it, like it was a messiah or something :D The "evo" 208 T16 with Janika retired after stage 5 with an engine problem, it started right before me, sounded like it went to three then to two cylinders, but nothing has been said about it so far. All in all a great day, and I'm sure tomorrow will be just as good as well. Good luck to everybody still in competition!
Just some more thoughts: the 208 was good till it gave up, it was about as fast as the Fiestas and Fabias. Also, it looks like there's no rally in Eger without having to put out a forest fire started by fans (at least everytime I was there, that was the case). There were some nasty accidents as well, most notably a Fabia S2000 went off into the trees and caught fire. But fortunately nobody was hurt.

[Mirek]

There were some nasty accidents as well, most notably a Fabia S2000 went off into the trees and caught fire. But fortunately nobody was hurt.

Yes, that was Czech driver Ondřej Bisaha who switched recently from DS3 R3T.

https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t1.0-9/12932631_1003882586346603_9108922917071749943_n.jp g?oh=105a59028fd73d2966d7b5dc3328b06a&oe=57BF17B7

[Mirek]

1,2 seconds between Grzyb and Herzig before last stage!

[TWRC]

1,2 seconds between Grzyb and Herzig before last stage!
And Grzyb wins by 0,5! Great rally by both, also by Valousek for his first time in the R5, in the end it seemed like he was concentrating more on finishing 2nd in MSR rather than pushing it too far.

[Mirek]

Final results

1. Grzyb (Fiesta R5) 1:12:02,8
2. Herzig (Fabia R5) +0,5
3. Valoušek (Fabia R5) +10,3
4. Melichárek (Fiesta WRC) +20,2
5. Hádik (Fiesta R5) +27,8
6. Ondrej (Fabia WRC) +42,4
7. Kazár (Fiesta R5) +57,6
8. Spitzmüller (Evo IX R4) +1:20,2
9. Vincze (Evo IX R4) +1:26,1
10. Botka (Evo IX R4) +1:30,0

23. Bútor (306 Maxi) +4:06,6

[dimviii]

Βotka with evo 9,not ds3?

[Jarek Z]

Grzyb wins a very interesting Eger Rally in a great style! Congratulations!

http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201604/news20160403_67073h.jpg

Slovakian championship syandings:
1. Grzyb 60, 2. Valoušek 46, 3. Melichárek 42, Hadik 42, 5. Ondrej 34, 6. Trencsényi 28.

[Mirek]

Βotka with evo 9,not ds3?

Yes. Does anyone know if Hungarians still use ethanol powered R4? Today on the extremely fast stages the R4 were setting times quite equal with R5 (yesterday on slower stages not).

[Jarek Z]

Βotka with evo 9,not ds3?

Yes, he has two cars, one for European and one for Hungarian championship. Look:
http://m.cdn.blog.hu/pr/pressrelease-rallyedream/image/duen_botkaevadnyitosajttaj_135.jpg

[WUff1]

Baumschlager took 27,9 sec off Neubauer at Lavanttal Rallye (2nd run of Austrian championship) on just 2 stages, Neubauer only third now behind Grössing after 3 stages (Neubauer won the first stage). Even if we consider that roads are wet, which should be an advantage for Baumschlager, there must be something wrong with Neubauer. Normally he isn´t slower than Grössing.

EDIT: Neubauer just 4th after 4 stages with 1:50 behind Baumschlager, even a Subaru Impreza driver in front of him.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

It is so great that Baumschlager is leading against the WRCs. Maybe next year he must use a R2 car an his contrahents try to argue that his car is faster than a WRC. Go Mundl. You are the best!!!


This rally shows also again, that Kreim won't be a new Röhrl.

[Zigz]

Neubauer had techincal issues ( Auf der Vier mit kaputter Halbachse leider sehr viel Zeit verloren - google translate - On the four with a broken half shaft unfortunately lost a lot of time).
He did win the first stage.
But anyway Baumschlager is the man :)

[WUff1]

Neubauer had a broken driveshaft and a puncture, Grössing puncture too.

Yesterday Baumschlager showed his big experience, respect. Kreim on the same car already 54,9 sec behind.

[Mirek]

Kreim is doing well today, a lot better than yesterday.

[Ucci]

nice move.Hopefully they follow this move more drivers from gt cars,to strength the championship.
Thats why they have to be restricted.

How are you commenting today's happening at Rally Sierra Morena? Burgo with hampered P911 is in a stricking distance to Perez...what is your proposal for FIA? To disconect one cylinder bank for 911's?
And what a great performance by Garcia!! Already one minute lead with evoX N+.... A car worth 1/3 compare to high-tech R5 cars....

[Mirek]

How are you commenting today's happening at Rally Sierra Morena? Burgo with hampered P911 is in a stricking distance to Perez...what is your proposal for FIA? To disconect one cylinder bank for 911's?

What does Sierra Morena have to do with FIA?


And what a great performance by Garcia!! Already one minute lead with evoX N+.... A car worth 1/3 compare to high-tech RESTRICTED R5 cars....

Fixed for You.

Besides that there is nothing hi-tech on R5. In many ways the gr.N car is more hi-tech than R5 (for example it has active center differential). R5 are tailor-made race cars built within a framework of rules which weren't created to compete against whatever invention any ASN in the world comes with. Your never-ending meaningless comparisons make no sense as it's formost the R5 which is restricted.

[dimviii]

And what a great performance by Garcia!! Already one minute lead with evoX N+.... A car worth 1/3 compare to high-tech R5 cars....

I dont agree with N4+ rules at Spain. Its the same like the unrestricted 911s against r5 cars.I ve wrote it after the 1st rally.
But whats your problem? That a overpowered evo X changed the podium from a overpowerded 911?


any link with Sierra Morena stage results?

[Mirek]

Final results of Rally Lavanttal, Austria

1. Baumschlager (Fabia R5) 2:01:13,9
2. Kreim (Fabia R5) +1:20,8
3. Neubauer (Fiesta WRC) +1:44,8
4. Grössing (Fiesta WRC) +3:23,3
5. Hideg (Evo IX R4) +6:02,5
6. Kössler (Impreza STI R4) +6:46,7
7. Gassner sen. (Evo X R4) +7:45,6
8. Szeja (Impreza STI N4) +8:29,3
9. Wollinger (Clio R3) +8:43,7
10. Kalteis (Evo VII A8) +9:48,0

[HaCo]

Very nice of Baumschlager and Kreim! What will they vote for next? Give Baumschlager penalty of 2 minutes before every rally :-D

[tc10a]

Very very impressive drive by Baumschlager and also Kreim on Saturday.
Maybe next year the opponents should try to get some 2017spec WRCs :)

[stefanvv]

Maybe next year the opponents should try to get some 2017spec WRCs :)

how do You know they would be faster for them?

[dimviii]

any link with Sierra Morena stage results?

http://online1.atodomotor.com/online/2016/sierramorena/2/2/rally.html

Burgos restricted 911 close with faster r5 of Perez. Go figure how ''hard they were trying'' last year the unrestricted 911 with 450 bhp.Really heroes their drivers. lololol
And plenty of guys from here wanted to continue this farce.
Vallejo hard times with not bhp advantage.

[stefanvv]

And plenty of guys from here wanted to continue this farce.

Enlighten me please in what way driving a beast is a farce?

[Rally Power]

Besides that there is nothing hi-tech on R5. In many ways the gr.N car is more hi-tech than R5 (for example it has active center differential). R5 are tailor-made race cars built within a framework of rules which weren't created to compete against whatever invention any ASN in the world comes with. Your never-ending meaningless comparisons make no sense as it's formost the R5 which is restricted.

Once we’re on ‘fixing’ mode:
“Besides that there is nothing hi-tech on OVERPRICED R5. In many ways the gr.N car is more hi-tech than R5 (for example it has active center differential). R5 are tailor-made race cars built within a framework of rules which weren't created to compete against whatever invention any ASN in the world comes with”.

Btw, you managed to expose R5 major paradox: they’re technically simple cars, yet they cost around 250.000€!

Probably because R5 is about “tailor-made rally cars (…) which weren’t created to compete against” other cars, they’ve become a sort of manu’s tuners monopoly and FIA sloppily allow them to hugely surpass R5’s initial target prices.

It’s true they sell well, but they’re still very expensive cars to buy and run. Maybe FIA doesn’t care, but ASN’s must provide competitive opportunities for teams and drivers with lower budgets. Getting a fair BOP between different rally classes it’s not a “whatever invention”, it’s a wise measure taken on the sport interest.

[Rally Power]

Another amazing exhibition of Garcia’s N+ Evo on the spanish championship. He was almost 1m in front of Perez Fiesta R5 at the end of the morning and spent the rest of the day controlling the advantage.

His domination on the Spanish championship is becoming a joke, after RFEA decision to undermine 911’s in order to get R5’s at the top.

Even undermined, 911’s still are competitive (2 of them on the top 5), cheap to run, fun to drive and the public favorites.

Rally Sierra Morena classification: http://www.atodomotor.com/online/2016/sierramorena/2/clasiral.html?

[Mirek]

Btw, you managed to expose R5 major paradox: they’re technically simple cars, yet they cost around 250.000€!

Probably because R5 is about “tailor-made rally cars (…) which weren’t created to compete against” other cars, they’ve become a sort of manu’s tuners monopoly and FIA sloppily allow them to hugely surpass R5’s initial target prices.

It’s true they sell well, but they’re still very expensive cars to buy and run. Maybe FIA doesn’t care, but ASN’s must provide competitive opportunities for teams and drivers with lower budgets. Getting a fair BOP between different rally classes it’s not a “whatever invention”, it’s a wise measure taken on the sport interest.

What You don't see is the price of development. Years of designing, testing, hiring the best people etc. cost a lot of money. You can't skip this part and count the price of the product by simple materials. Once there is more than one manufacturer involved the competition requires spending money, the more competition, the more money. If there was no competition nobody would need two years of testing to make things working better than others. It's not about simplicity of the parts but about the competition between manufacturers. That maybe another paradox as we all want more competition but more competition means that everybody must spend a lot more to be successful.

Anyway R5 are the most successfully sold top regional level cars ever therefore I don't think they are that much overpriced. Currently the sales of R5 cars are higher than of anything else in the rally world and M-Sport or Škoda sales are limited solely by production capacity.

For me the sales say enough that R5 in current state are good enough product for the market. Otherwise they wouldn't be sold out for something like a year ahead.

[hari]

Gallery - ORM Lavanttal Rallye 2016:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_lavanttal_rallye_2016.html
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_orm_lavanttal_rallye_2016.html

http://www.ir7.at/lav16.jpg (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_lavanttal_rallye_2016.html)

[dimviii]

Enlighten me please in what way driving a beast is a farce?

you still cant understant why is wrong to compete with 100-150bhp advantage against other competitors?

[hari]

Video 'Best of' Lavanttal Rallye 2016 - 12 Min:
https://vimeo.com/162266675

http://www.ir7.at/lav16vid.png (https://vimeo.com/162266675)

[Jarek Z]

Very nice of Baumschlager and Kreim! What will they vote for next? Give Baumschlager penalty of 2 minutes before every rally :-D

There are already many ideas how Neubauer can win the Austrian championship:
- give Baumschlager penalty of 2 minutes before every rally
- introduce a rule that Baumschlager has to drive R2 car in every rally
- give Neubauer a 2017-spec WRC
and then maybe Neubauer finally wins by 0,1 sec over Mundl :D

[Ucci]

There are already many ideas how Neubauer can win the Austrian championship:
- give Baumschlager penalty of 2 minutes before every rally
- introduce a rule that Baumschlager has to drive R2 car in every rally
- give Neubauer a 2017-spec WRC
and then maybe Neubauer finally wins by 0,1 sec over Mundl:D
Well, some of you have a very short memory : at Rebenland Neubauer told already few days before rally started that he is going for victory. At the same time Mundl was very carefull with words, because knowing the specification and the weather prediction (it was sunny & dry), he knew it is going to be mission impossible...and that what happened.
At Lavantall the story was oposite-Mundl knew that this is his chance, the weather cooperated with him, Neubauer had technical issues...It is no excuse for WRC drivers, but guys-Mundl has at least 2.000-3.000 racing km with R5 under his belt (again not forget-he was involved in test phase), Neubauer one rally and app.100 test km....
So, think also this way....and listen carefully to the statements before they attack stages...

[Jarek Z]

At Lavantall the story was oposite-Mundl knew that this is his chance, the weather cooperated with him

No, the weather didn't cooperate with Mundl. It was the same for both drivers :)


]Mundl has at least 2.000-3.000 racing km with R5 under his belt (again not forget-he was involved in test phase), Neubauer one rally and app.100 test km....

Are the testing kms so important? Kubica won 2014 Janner Rally driving Ford Fiesta RRC for the first time. It didn't matter that Baumschlager was driving his Skoda Fabia S2000 for years :)
http://www.ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=13776&t=Internationale-Janner-Rallye-2014

It is not so difficult to beat Mundl, really... All you need is talent, not a stronger engine.

[Ucci]

[QUOTE=Jarek Z;1087433


Are the testing kms so important?[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't expect so stupid statement from you....

[tc10a]

Well, some of you have a very short memory : at Rebenland Neubauer told already few days before rally started that he is going for victory. At the same time Mundl was very carefull with words, because knowing the specification and the weather prediction (it was sunny & dry), he knew it is going to be mission impossible...and that what happened.
At Lavantall the story was oposite-Mundl knew that this is his chance, the weather cooperated with him, Neubauer had technical issues...It is no excuse for WRC drivers, but guys-Mundl has at least 2.000-3.000 racing km with R5 under his belt (again not forget-he was involved in test phase), Neubauer one rally and app.100 test km....
So, think also this way....and listen carefully to the statements before they attack stages...

I dont know why there must be always excuses. Baumschlager has won this time, Neubauer last time. Finished.
As well as Baumschlager fairly said he had no chance in Rebenland it was quite clear on the stages that this time Neubauer was nowhere to his Rebenland performance.

At next austrian championship round Wechselland Rallye the WRC cars will have a bigger advantage again, but I'm quite sure that already in Schneebergland Rallye the winner will be Baumschlager again, as it is a drivers rally with demanding stages. And especially the suspension settings of the BRR cars are just fabulous if you look at all the videos. Especially on gravel.

It's good for the championship. It will be a very interesting fight during the season. I hope none of the title contenders has an DNF early in the season, it could ruin the fight.

[hari]

Some onboard Videos from Baumschlager and Kreim at Lavanttal Rallye can be found here:
https://vimeo.com/album/3884207


http://www.ir7.at/lav16onb.jpg (https://vimeo.com/album/3884207)

[Adler]

Well, I think if you check the powerstagetimes you can´t say Neubauer isn´t fast, 20 sec on 27 kms over Baumschlager isn´t bad, the broken driveshaft on Friday was bad luck, the wrong tirechoice on Saturday morning was maybe some kind of desperate decision, + he had a puncture in the afternoon...

In the next 3 tarmac rounds the WR car will give Neubauer more advantage, in the 2 gravel rounds he will most likely suffer from his limited gravel and event knowledge, so overall it can be an exciting championship this year.

[tc10a]

Well, I think if you check the powerstagetimes you can´t say Neubauer isn´t fast, 20 sec on 27 kms over Baumschlager isn´t bad, the broken driveshaft on Friday was bad luck, the wrong tirechoice on Saturday morning was maybe some kind of desperate decision, + he had a puncture in the afternoon...

In the next 3 tarmac rounds the WR car will give Neubauer more advantage, in the 2 gravel rounds he will most likely suffer from his limited gravel and event knowledge, so overall it can be an exciting championship this year.

Yes, but then you also have to take into consideration that with that big lead Baumschlager was in no need at all to push on the last stage. Why should he risk to loose 25 points to maybe get one point more.

On the first run Baumschlager already did nearly the same time as Neubauer in the Powerstage. So it would probably have been again very close.

Nobody says that Neubauer is not fast, but one the other hand there is no need to hype him as well.
Lets be happy that we have this fight.

[WUff1]

Neubauer also had a wrong tyre choice this time - it´s not only driving fast, but also things like these, which can decide the championship. So I´m not sure if Neubauer would have been the winner again without his broken driveshaft.

But I wonder why Mundl didn´t attack on powerstage too, as Neubauer is still in front of him in championship now.

[aykutbilir]

As our cars loaded from Italy our livery is for TUrkish Rally Champs is very sick

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160411/5cedbabc36f53999f244c62581ce7c80.jpg


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[Mirek]

It still has Czech reg. plate :)

[Mirek]

Rally Prešov, Slovakia, is canceled. There are ongoing negotiations about making the rally in Autumn instead of May.

[aykutbilir]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160413/7b93984dc0b567012211efa4d0f4d4ea.jpg

Test program of BC Vision Motorport started today. Program will continue tomorrow as the TUrkish Rally Champ first leg Ege Rally will start at Saturday.


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[Mirek]

Great video from Rally Eger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEi9roR0T4Q

[Mirek]

Onboards of Pavel Valoušek from Rally Eger
http://www.mediasport.cz/rally/onboardy/8595.html
http://www.mediasport.cz/rally/onboardy/8597.html

[dimviii]

Video from Siera Morena rally.Watch NOTs sick dog at last seconds.

https://youtu.be/yLBD2cZHSJk

[Mirek]

Polish Rally Championship starts today with Rajd Swidnicki Krause. Live results will be here (SS1 starts shortly after lunch time): http://wyniki.pzm.pl/#/2016/krause

[Tom206wrc]

Link to results of Ege Rally(Turkey)please :confused:

[Mirek]

Does anyone know what happened to Kreim in Rally Vogelsberg?

EDIT: If I understand right he broke the radiator and retired on the road to service.

[WUff1]

Does anyone know what happened to Kreim in Rally Vogelsberg?

EDIT: If I understand right he broke the radiator and retired on the road to service.

He had an off in SS 5 before.

[Mirek]

Final results of Hessen Rallye Vogelsberg, German Rally Championship

1. Riedemann (208 T16 R5) 1:21:29,1
2. Dinkel (Fabia S2000) +57,5
3. Mandel (Fiesta R5) +1:47,0
4. Gassner sen. (Evo VIII gr.A) +1:59,3
5. Fäber (Evo VIII gr.A) +2:48,7
6. Corazza (Evo IX gr.N) +3:01,4
7. Mohe (Clio R3T) +4:14,9
8. Schumann (Evo VII gr.A) +4:21,9
9. Leschhorn (207 S2000) +4:51,6
10. Neuville Yannick (Fabia S2000) +6:19,8 (lost 5 minutes on one stage and also got 40 seconds penalty)

Early leader Kreim (Fabia R5) retired after an off with broken radiator (thanks Wuff1).

[cosmin_sb]

Sibiu Rally: 2nd rounds in Romanian championship and 1st round in Bulgarian championship
1 Dan Girtofan Skoda Fabia R5 00:51:58.3
2 Plamen Staikov Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 9 +01:11.6
3 Martin Surilov Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 9 +01:32.3
4 Edwin Keleti Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 10 +02:27.2
5 Florin Tincescu Subaru Impreza +02:37.3
6 Rares Tomita Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 10 +02:56.7
7 Simone Tempestini Ford Fiesta R5 +03:21.6 (won 8 stage from 11)
8 Ignat Isaev Citroen DS3 R3T +03:45.9

[Tom206wrc]

Polish Rally Championship starts today with Rajd Swidnicki Krause. Live results will be here (SS1 starts shortly after lunch time): http://wyniki.pzm.pl/#/2016/krause


Fantastic results for Polonski and Gabrys in their 208 R2s finishing 5th and 6th overall only separated by...0"4 !!!! :D

Overall victory for Grzyb ;)

[Mirek]

So Grzyb won. Habaj fougt hard and even got into the lead twice but made a lot of mstakes to finally crash into a tree.

1. Grzyb (Fiesta R5) 1:16:57,1
2. Brzeziński (Fiesta R5) +24,0
3. Koltun (Fiesta R5) +2:22,7
4. Rzéznik (Fiesta Proto) +3:53,8
5. Poloński (208 R2) +6:43,4 (10 sec pen)
6. Gabryś (208 R2) +6:47,9
7. Banasiewicz (Impreza STI R4) +7:44,8 (10 sec pen)
8. Łata (Fiesta Proto) +8:49,3 (10 sec pen)
9. Jurecki (C2 R2 Max) +8:50,7
10. Dul (208 R2) +9:18,3 (10 sec pen)

[Jarek Z]

So Grzyb won. Habaj fougt hard and even got into the lead twice but made a lot of mstakes to finally crash into a tree.

Yes, the taste of victory for Grzegorz Grzyb...

http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201604/news20160416_67347h.jpg

and sadness for Lukasz Habaj...

http://wrc.net.pl/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/13052655_1016452388392666_661618631_o.jpg

[Jarek Z]

Fantastic results for Polonski and Gabrys in their 208 R2s finishing 5th and 6th overall only separated by...0"4 !!!! :D

Yes, the battle of those 2 drivers was great. Unfotunately it was most probably the last battle between those two this year. On the next rally Gabrys wants to change his car to Ford Fiesta R5.

http://rajdy24.pl/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/11902419_472710749566631_6641588656543897975_n.jpg

[aykutbilir]

Link to results of Ege Rally(Turkey)please :confused:

sorry for very late reply
it was a ong long week of BCVision Motorsport but succesful :)

www.rallisonuc.com to follow but what happened
Munaretto Run 208R5 of Yagiz Avci won the but Burak Cukurova from Bcvision Friul Motor run 208R5 is won the Powerstage and also second overall.

Also we won Rc3 class with DS3 R3T with Ahmet Burkay and Second place at Rc4 class with Alparslan Cukurova.

Im me as Technical Manager of the BCVision flying home to sleep full 24 hours :)

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160417/fbf8c2d8d432f3e6fee7ba80f545c7c0.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160417/b1e74ae6d1e3eeef1bef2a94913514c0.jpg

[Jarek Z]

That's one of the most beautiful liveries I have seen on Peugeot 208 T16 so far!

[Jarek Z]

Another picture of the beautiful Peugeot:

http://www.autoklub.pl/media/201604/94516-cukuruva.jpg

[aykutbilir]

Another picture of the beautiful Peugeot:

http://www.autoklub.pl/media/201604/94516-cukuruva.jpg

Thank you Jarek :)

[hari]

Gallery Raimund Baumschlager testing for Wechselland Rallye:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_brr_test_220416_raimund_baumschlager.html

http://www.ir7.at/test.jpg

[hari]

Video Raimund Baumschlager testing for Wechselland Rallye:
https://vimeo.com/163934937

http://www.ir7.at/testv.jpg (https://vimeo.com/163934937)

[WUff1]

Final results of Wechselland Rallye:

1. H. Neubauer / B. Ettel Ford Fiesta RS WRC 1:29:35.9
2. R. Baumschlager / T. Zeltner Skoda Fabia R5 +1:01.2
3. N. Mayr-Melnhof / P. Welsersheimb Ford Fiesta R5 +3:38.7
4. D. Wollinger / B. Holzer Renault Clio Maxi +6:50.0
5. S. Wagner / U. Mayrhofer Citroën DS3 R3 MAX +6:51.2
6. M. Kalteis / G. Lang Mitsubishi Evo VII +7:29.7
7. M. Böhm / J. Noll Opel Adam R2 +7:59.4
8. A. Kainer / A. Stein Opel Adam R2 +8:37.7
9. L. Waldherr / T. Unterweger Opel Adam R2 +10:24.8
10. V. Majercak / M. Vejackova Ford Fiesta R5 +11:15.4

Grössing (Fiesta WRC) had to retire after an accident.

[TWRC]

Results from Miskolc Rally:

1. Herczig / Bacigál, Skoda Fabia R5 1:20:04,2 (10s penalty for jumpstart)
2. ifj. Tóth / Szőke, Peugeot 208 T16 +16,8
3. Kazár / Ferencz, Ford Fiesta R5 +55,6
4. Vincze / Kuti, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +2:38,8
5. Balogh / Holczer, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +2:52,4
6. Rongits / Hannus, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +3:27,5
7. Trencsényi / Verba, Ford Fiesta R5 Evo +3:56,0
8. Spitzmüller / Bazsó, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X R4 +4:15,9
9. Nagy / Nagy, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +4:32,0
10. Kovács / Istovics, Ford Fiesta R5 +4:48,4

Notable retirements: Hadik - mechanical, Botka - DNS, Ollé - lost the sumpguard and retired.

[Ucci]

Congrats to H.Neubauer! Well deserved victory, Mundl had no chance.
Horror in 2WD class-just a 1,2 sec separated first and the second.
Time to celebrate the victory is short for Neubauer, as the next event-Schneebergland Rallye is held on gravel. The cards will be mixed again....

[hari]

Gallery OPEL Wechselland Rallye 2016:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_wechselland_rallye_2016.html

http://www.wechsellandrallye.at/we16.jpg (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_wechselland_rallye_2016.html)

[RS]

Congrats to H.Neubauer! Well deserved victory,

Really? He was driving a world rally car.

I'm not sure allowing WRCars into national championships is a good idea or necessary when there are so many R5 cars around now.

[WUff1]

Results from Miskolc Rally:

1. Herczig / Bacigál, Skoda Fabia R5 1:20:04,2 (10s penalty for jumpstart)
2. ifj. Tóth / Szőke, Peugeot 208 T16 +16,8
3. Kazár / Ferencz, Ford Fiesta R5 +55,6
4. Vincze / Kuti, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +2:38,8
5. Balogh / Holczer, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +2:52,4
6. Rongits / Hannus, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +3:27,5
7. Trencsényi / Verba, Ford Fiesta R5 Evo +3:56,0
8. Spitzmüller / Bazsó, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X R4 +4:15,9
9. Nagy / Nagy, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +4:32,0
10. Kovács / Istovics, Ford Fiesta R5 +4:48,4

Notable retirements: Hadik - mechanical, Botka - DNS, Ollé - lost the sumpguard and retired.

So Kazar back on Fiesta R5? Do you know which team? In 2014 he was driving a Fiesta from Austrian Drift Company I think (Beppo Harrach)?

[TWRC]

So Kazar back on Fiesta R5? Do you know which team? In 2014 he was driving a Fiesta from Austrian Drift Company I think (Beppo Harrach)?
Yes, this year he's driving for the Proracers team, the car is Trencsényi's old car (C#58), not sure if it has any of the Evo parts though, he gave conflicting interviews about that.

[hari]

Video Wechselland Rallye 2016: https://vimeo.com/164897535

http://www.ir7.at/we16v.jpg (https://vimeo.com/164897535)

[ln-ops]

Latest round of Norwegian Rally Championship, Rally Sørland 2016, won by WRC crew Mads Østberg and Ola Fløene. You can find our photos on our Facebook page (must Like to view): SS1, Eikås I (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.992507824118058.1073741905.225474580821390&type=3&pnref=story) and SS5, Eikås II (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.992707140764793.1073741906.225474580821390&type=3&pnref=story).

http://www.nmst.no/2016/sorlandet_ss5.jpg

[garais22]

Kalle Rovanpera testing before Rally Kurzeme
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/5669-rovanpera-kurzemes-rallja-brauksim-atri-un-gudri-video/

[sindroms]

"Rally Kurzeme" (LAT) - summer season opener in Baltic, starts today 17:00 (CET).

Entry list - http://lrc.lv/?m=2&l=2
Live results - http://lrc.lv/?m=4&ft=1&l=2
GPS tracking - http://gps.autorally.lv/

With all respects to local guys, I am expecting K.Rovanpera's third overall victory. His main rivals could be Vorbjovs on Mitsubishi Mirage and Samsonas on 4WD(!) BMW.

[br21]

Samsonas will not start unfortunately


"Rally Kurzeme" (LAT) - summer season opener in Baltic, starts today 17:00 (CET).

Entry list - http://lrc.lv/?m=2&l=2
Live results - http://lrc.lv/?m=4&ft=1&l=2
GPS tracking - http://gps.autorally.lv/

With all respects to local guys, I am expecting K.Rovanpera's third overall victory. His main rivals could be Vorbjovs on Mitsubishi Mirage and Samsonas on 4WD(!) BMW.

[sindroms]

Samsonas will not start unfortunately

It looked suspicious to me yesterday already when he lost half a minute to himself in shakedown...

[Ucci]

Rally Ferrol for Spanish tarmac championship just started; after 2nd stage Cristian Garcia in a lead! But this time the gaps are small.
Again N4 car in a lead......I've noticed, that Burgo also swiched from P911 to P208R5....

[dimviii]

Garcia with puncture at ss3

[Ucci]

Garcia with puncture at ss3

Can somebody publish results from Ferrol-I have problems with their site....

[dimviii]

even ewrc.cz havent got any results after ss6
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=29993&s=116776&t=Rallye-de-Ferrol-2016

[dimviii]

@ Ucci

http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/05/07/victor-senra-se-lleva-el-triunfo-final-en-complicadisimo-rallye-de-ferrol/

[focus206]

And here full results: http://rallyeferrol.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/LIBRO-DE-RESULTADOS.pdf

[NoFear85]

Rally Opatija

http://www.sport-timing.com/livetiming/rally/results.php?event_id=34&ss_id=284&ss_number=8

[KKSF]

Rally Kurzeme 2016, Latvia. K.Rovanpera 2nd place overall.
Crashing in the dust...
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYr_BWs6OpE

[ik1911]

Rally Opatija
Foto : https://www.flickr.com/photos/cc_rc/albums/72157668053563425

[sindroms]

Rally Kurzeme 2016, Latvia. K.Rovanpera 2nd place overall.
Crashing in the dust...
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYr_BWs6OpE

Another one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMbJhtnlGqg

[garais22]

Two Spectacular crashes
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/rallijs/1257-video-lietuviesu-ekipazas-iespaidiga-avarija-kurzemes-rallija/
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/rallijs/1256-video-krievu-sportista-iespaidiga-avarija-kirsisa-likuma/

[Mirek]

Is Vorobsjovs the first one to win a major rally overall with the Mirage R5?

[Rally Power]

Is Vorobsjovs the first one to win a major rally overall with the Mirage R5?

I believe it's a Dytko based proto, not an R5. It looks and performs great!

[Rally Power]

Senra did a great job in Ferrol (2nd outing in a R5), but was also lucky: he had a puncture on the stage that was cancelled by Perez accident. First win in CERA for an R5 car since 2014, with Garcia (N+ Evo) showing another time a strong pace (before losing 3m with a puncture). Ares (911) tried very hard but the restricted Porsche doesn’t rev up like it used to (still 2 brave stage wins). S1600 Swift’s always too strong in 2wd field.

Nice video from Bunnings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnH1yyz6jFo

[br21]

Is Vorobsjovs the first one to win a major rally overall with the Mirage R5?

It's typical Proto. Body from Dytko, evoX internals with sequential gearbox, all assembled by Vorobjovs Racing.

[edgars944]

Some photos from Rally Kurzeme 2016:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1097389840319180.1073741933.531301770261326&type=3
http://motorsunsports.lv/uploads/images/Gallery/2016/rally-kurzeme-2016-edgars-leonovs/Edgars_Leonovs-3048.jpg

[MartijnS]

Bernhard ten Brinke is doing 6 rallies with a Fabia R5 from Wevers Sport this year. Two in the Netherlands, two in Belgium and WRC Germany and Spain! Still doubting whether he goes to Dakar.

[aykutbilir]

Turkish Rally Championship is set with Second leg which also ERT leg Rally of Turkey Marmaris.

As we BCVision Motorsport and Friul Motor is set with 4 cars again with aganist Fiesta R5 of Ford Rally Team Turkey and 208R5 of Neo Motors
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160512/01d4e8e61315de89a65139f51f291cad.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160512/143b5c9682466a22d7d302f6f841bf59.jpghttp://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160512/ef6b15bcbc38a3f60427b7c2013ad6ed.jpg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Ucci]

Here is the participant list for the rally Velenje in Slovenija. It is the first rally (and we are almost in the second half of 2016..) for our championship.
Given the fact, that this is by far the most important rally in Slovenija (successor of rally Hella-Saturnus, which had original roots in begining of 1980's), it is a ''shameful'' list. Less than 30 domestic crews, no S2000 / R5 car on the list...if I compare this entry list to let say Czech, Slovakian, Hungarian championship entries, I can only cry.....that why all members from mentioned countries-be proud of your rally scene. We are poor like church mice..

http://rally.amtklub-velenje.si/ekipe.html

[TWRC]

The 3rd round of the Hungarian Championship, the ISEUM Rallye finished today. Herczig won again in style, coming back from 17,7s behind after having to sweep the stages on the first day to win by 16s. Kazár retired after knocking a hole in his radiator and overheating, whereas "Janika" was struggling all event long - spins, stalls, popoff-problems... only finished 6th (though he was 11th after the first day, and only lost 4th on the last stage). Best surprise goes to Hadik, he was always good on tarmac, now he almost won on gravel. Very weak 2WD entry, Klausz was good as always, the rest not so much. Results:

1. Herczig-Bacigál, Skoda Fabia R5 1:12:39.9 (avg. speed: 116.5 km/h)
2. Hadik-Kertész, Ford Fiesta R5 Evo +16.0
3. Balogh-Holczer, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +1:22.3
4. Velenczei-Farnadi, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +1:27.1
5. Vincze-Kuti, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +1:27.3
6. ifj.Tóth-Szőke, Peugeot 208 T16 Evo +1:28.6
7. Ollé-Budai, Ford Fiesta S2000 +1:45.1
8. Osváth-Nemes, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +1:45.4
9. Trencsényi-Verba, Ford Fiesta R5 Evo +1:45.8
10. Cseh-Németh, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +2:12.5

[br21]

Great rally in Latvia, Talsi Rally, round of Latvian and Lithuanian Championships. Dominated by Martynas Samsonas (together with Mindaugas Varza) in their BMW M3X. They won all the stages, including qualification stage. Got 1min penalty, so needed to recover from it and won rally on last stage, overtaking young Kalle Rovanpera.

[KKSF]

Rally Talsi 2016 Crashes and Action
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIe2m5-v9Mw

[dimviii]

Great rally in Latvia, Talsi Rally, round of Latvian and Lithuanian Championships. Dominated by Martynas Samsonas (together with Mindaugas Varza) in their BMW M3X. They won all the stages, including qualification stage. Got 1min penalty, so needed to recover from it and won rally on last stage, overtaking young Kalle Rovanpera.

what engine/power has this bmw? 4wdrive from what?

[br21]

what engine/power has this bmw? 4wdrive from what?

BMW S54 engine. Power and torque below 400. 4wd system is custom made by Samsonas Motorsport Transmissions using front and rear BMW diffs as a base. Gearbox and transferbox is own product, with active center diff.

[garais22]

Epic win by Samsonas and his 4WD BMW M3X
And important thing is that after first day he have 1 minute penalty!
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/5742-rally-talsi-uzvaretajs-izskiras-nosledzosaja-atrumposma/

[Mirek]

Any results from Szombately?

[TWRC]

Any results from Szombately?
I have a post about it on the previous page ;)

[faateris]

Rally TALSI - photos - http://janisasaris.com/jaunumi

JA

[KKSF]

Neste Harju Rally 2016 , Estonia

KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSjMNbCXAxw

[aykutbilir]

TRC (Turkish Rally Championship) 3 rd rally Ford Otosan Kocaeli Rally is very close to start. (11-12 of JUne)
Classical gravel stages total of 104km with 8 stages.

As Yagız Avcı leading the standings with his Munaretto run 208 R5, Murat Bostancı chasing him with Tok Sport run Fiesta R5 Evo and Burak Çukurova at third BC Vision Motorsport Fruil run 208 R5.

What has to be expected is there is a strong battle between these 3 drivers. Avci using Michelin and Bostanci and Çukurova using Pirelli's.

Also there is a strong fight at Class N which belongs to Evo's with 7 drivers fighting right now.
Kepp tracking results from bcvisionmotorsport.com and also rallisonuc.com

[Ucci]

This weekend Rally Santander-Cantabria for CERA! Hope for a good run for Garcia!

[garais22]

Pontus Tidemand and Kalle Rovanpera in Rally Zemaitija will start with Gardemeister/TGS ''Škoda Fabia R5''. This will be debut for Kalle with R5.
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/5779-lietuvas-rallija-startes-viens-no-wrc2-klases-lideriem-rovanperam-debija-ar-r5-auto/

[br21]

Kalle needed to upgrade to R5 to try to fight with homemade BMW of Samsonas:)))

[dimviii]

Kalle needed to upgrade to R5 to try to fight with homemade BMW of Samsonas:)))

benchmark will be Tidemands times though for Kalle

[MartijnS]

Dutch ELE Rally tonight and tomorrow! Comeback of Mark van Eldik with a Fabia R5 from Wevers. Also ten Brinke and a rich German guy with Fabias from Wevers. Dennis Kuipers with the Fiesta WRC and Erik van Loon with the S14 WRC.

Video of the Wevers Sport test in Belgium two days ago: https://youtu.be/hLfL_Qe5jRc

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkGeY6iWsAA5X3c.jpg

[Francis44]

Rally suspended now, eleven spectators hit after an off.

[dimviii]

fingers crossed..

[Rally Power]

Rally suspended now, eleven spectators hit after an off.

The incident was on yesterday’s leg (SS2). One guy lost brakes and went into a bad placed bunch of spectators. Five of them still in hospital with injuries, but no one is in life risk. Crew OK but obviously shocked.

The rally ended today with a 1-2 for Mitsu guys and Garcia taking his 4th win of the season.

[mas-racing]

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/sf2%20ele%202016_zpsjt2yehnx.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PeQzMSyjAM)

[itix]

The incident was on yesterday’s leg (SS2). One guy lost brakes and went into a bad placed bunch of spectators. Five of them still in hospital with injuries, but no one is in life risk. Crew OK but obviously shocked.

The rally ended today with a 1-2 for Mitsu guys and Garcia taking his 4th win of the season.
Again in Spain? Wasn't six people killed there also last year? Not good at all, this.

I thought that the ASN's were going to talk with FIA to avoid this happening again

[rallysupportnl]

ELE Rally 2016:

http://i66.tinypic.com/ajlb9f.jpg (https://youtu.be/fvq0dk7ZfKs)

Click on the photo or here --> https://youtu.be/fvq0dk7ZfKs

[Ucci]

The incident was on yesterday’s leg (SS2). One guy lost brakes and went into a bad placed bunch of spectators. Five of them still in hospital with injuries, but no one is in life risk. Crew OK but obviously shocked.

The rally ended today with a 1-2 for Mitsu guys and Garcia taking his 4th win of the season.

I'm really schocked by this terrible accident. I keep fingers crossed for the a speedy recovery of the injured ones.
On the other hand-great result for young Cristian Garcia and his lovely co-driver Rebeca....nice to see gr.N car in front of R5....with huge margine, by the way.

[TheFlyingTuga]

.nice to see gr.N car in front of R5....with huge margine, by the way.

"Gr.N"... cars that probably cost almost as much to build as a R5... and can only race in Spain.

[Mirek]

I'm really schocked by this terrible accident. I keep fingers crossed for the a speedy recovery of the injured ones.
On the other hand-great result for young Cristian Garcia and his lovely co-driver Rebeca....nice to see gr.N car in front of R5....with huge margine, by the way.

Again trolling. Gr.N, oh right...

[br21]

Why Kuipers was excluded?

[Ucci]

"Gr.N"... cars that probably cost almost as much to build as a R5... and can only race in Spain.

Wow, seriously question: do you have any proof for this claim? Because if somebody invests app.200.000 € in evoX...is crazy....no sense.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Wow, seriously question: do you have any proof for this claim? Because if somebody invests app.200.000 € in evoX...is crazy....no sense.

I don't have papers confirming it. But back in 2014 I did a Regional rally in Vouzela, and RMC was there with a Porsche and a R4+ Mitsubishi EvoX. Roberto Mendez (the boss) was driving the car that was used by Pernia that year in Spain. This car:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qGSmKkj1l2g/maxresdefault.jpg

Anyway, since I'm a good friend with the driver of the Porsche, I was invited into the RMC tent, and not only could I see the EvoX in detail and talk a bit with Roberto. He told me that the car was close in performance with a WRC car from early 2000, and that it costed a lot to build. Because this cars are not just a regular R4 car, with a sequencial gearbox and a bigger restritor. They have some changes in the engine too, to fit the more hp, and on the suspension, that it's much more race built than a N car suspension. Bigger brakes... and on top of that... a lot of carbon fiber to reduce the weight. Apart from the roof, and the basic structure of the car (A and C pilar) everything else was carbon fibre. Doors, hood, back hood, bodypanels, you name it. He told me that building something like that, would cost more 60/70k more than a Gr.N EvoX. And as far as I know, a new Evo X Gr.N well put could reach 110k/120k easily. So, 120+70 would give the car a price of 190k (in excess). And it's only for Spain.

Sorry for the long post

[dupanton]

Why Kuipers was excluded?

He was pushed back to service by another competitor after some technical problem (I think it was fuel related)

[Ucci]

I don't have papers confirming it. But back in 2014 I did a Regional rally in Vouzela, and RMC was there with a Porsche and a R4+ Mitsubishi EvoX. Roberto Mendez (the boss) was driving the car that was used by Pernia that year in Spain. This car:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qGSmKkj1l2g/maxresdefault.jpg

Anyway, since I'm a good friend with the driver of the Porsche, I was invited into the RMC tent, and not only could I see the EvoX in detail and talk a bit with Roberto. He told me that the car was close in performance with a WRC car from early 2000, and that it costed a lot to build. Because this cars are not just a regular R4 car, with a sequencial gearbox and a bigger restritor. They have some changes in the engine too, to fit the more hp, and on the suspension, that it's much more race built than a N car suspension. Bigger brakes... and on top of that... a lot of carbon fiber to reduce the weight. Apart from the roof, and the basic structure of the car (A and C pilar) everything else was carbon fibre. Doors, hood, back hood, bodypanels, you name it. He told me that building something like that, would cost more 60/70k more than a Gr.N EvoX. And as far as I know, a new Evo X Gr.N well put could reach 110k/120k easily. So, 120+70 would give the car a price of 190k (in excess). And it's only for Spain.

Sorry for the long post
Thanks budy, no problem for long explanation. I always like conversation based on true facts and not just BS rumors.
So, now I can say-building so expensive car just for national championship is without any sense.
But Garcia is not responsible for this mess, he is a driver, so he still has to bring the car until the finish...the car drives not alone...

[TheFlyingTuga]

But Garcia is not responsible for this mess, he is a driver, so he still has to bring the car until the finish...the car drives not alone...

He is a very good driver. Because even if the competition it's not that strong this year, for a long time that nobody would see a R4+ winning so much.

As for the car, the RFEDA is doing the same again, with the N5+ cars. But some people still defend the concept.

[stefanvv]

Nothing wrong with the concept, except it makes difficult the R5 market there, just like GT class while was unrestricted. But I personally like such variety.

[EightGear]

Proper onboard with Van Loon (S14 WRC):
https://youtu.be/31bN_qrS7hU

And 360 degrees onboard
https://youtu.be/RtucZcgQYrk

Also Van Eldik (Fabia R5)
https://youtu.be/Gqrzw3iBASQ

And Ten Brinke (Fabia R5)
https://youtu.be/Y-OXHbIOCH4

[Mirek]

Nothing wrong with the concept, except it makes difficult the R5 market there, just like GT class while was unrestricted. But I personally like such variety.

The problem is that by not using international rules You complicate a lot Your own drivers their way into international competition. One of the targets for any ASN shall be to support their drivers on the international field but such rules do exactly opposite.

[Rally Power]

The problem is that by not using international rules You complicate a lot Your own drivers their way into international competition. One of the targets for any ASN shall be to support their drivers on the international field but such rules do exactly opposite.

Honestly Mirek, how many drivers in each country go abroad rallying? 1%, 2%? Those who really have the intention to rally abroad can always pick R5's or other FIA's homologated cars, as they're also allowed in every national championship.

ASN's main purpose is to provide local drivers and teams a wider range of competitive cars to choose. Without N+ rules Mitsubishi Spain wouldn’t be entering Spanish championship and RFEA interest to allow N5/MR is to give those importers without international specs rally cars a way to get into the championship, alongside those (very few) that actually have R5 cars.

In the process, local tuners do their business and local drivers get the chance to buy and run less expensive cars. Clearly it's a win-win situation for all.

[Mirek]

It's different to allow locally homologated cars and to create a completely new top class. I don't have any problem with allowing local cars what I don't like is if those cars are reasonably faster than anything allowed under international rules which logically leads to the situation when the championship separates itself from the outer world. Maybe You think that isolation is a good thing but I don't agree with that.

[dimviii]

agree with Mirek. No problem for national cars,but not like unrestricted 997,or evo Xs that can be minutes from r5 cars.

[Wim_Impreza]

Why Kuipers was excluded?

The car had an electronic interference and fell silent on the highway. It was pushed back to service by another competitor as dupanton already said.

[TheFlyingTuga]

Still on the subject, a video of one of those R4+ cars has been uploaded today. See how the car behaves. I've done a few rallies in a Gr.N car, and you can't corner that fast for sure. This is a properly rally built car. Nice driving from Munari too, altough a bit nervous. He asked for note repeats a few times. The stage it's beautifull too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYF1-_BEBKs

[Mirek]

Thanks, great onboard. Bloody fast car!

[dimviii]

can we find any onboard from Garcia? thanks in advance.

[TheFlyingTuga]

can we find any onboard from Garcia? thanks in advance.

In Canarias this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyrToEqqq9g

Drivers Eye view in a Rallysprint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW1xFLucOPA

[Ucci]

Still on the subject, a video of one of those R4+ cars has been uploaded today. See how the car behaves. I've done a few rallies in a Gr.N car, and you can't corner that fast for sure. This is a properly rally built car. Nice driving from Munari too, altough a bit nervous. He asked for note repeats a few times. The stage it's beautifull too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYF1-_BEBKs

Holly sheet! Amazing video, amazing speed and an amazing stage. This machine is a proper R5 killer.....

[dimviii]

In Canarias this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyrToEqqq9g

Drivers Eye view in a Rallysprint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW1xFLucOPA

very smooth and calm.

[Mirek]

András Hádik had a very serious accident today on the test. I don't know anything particular except that both crew members were transported to the hospital. Anyway I wish all the best to the crew. The pictures don't look good at all...

http://forum.autosport.cz/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=1028&start=10#p82288

[TWRC]

András Hádik had a very serious accident today on the test. I don't know anything particular except that both crew members were transported to the hospital. Anyway I wish all the best to the crew. The pictures don't look good at all...

http://forum.autosport.cz/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=1028&start=10#p82288
Actually, Bessenyei was sitting next to him. Hadik is fine as far as I know, but nothing is known of Bessenyei, except that they had to cut him out of the car.

[Mirek]

Thank You

[WUff1]

Hopefully nothing really bad ...

[TWRC]

Hopefully nothing really bad ...
Some websites have begun to cover the incident. They say Bessenyei was transported to the hospital via helicopter, with a suspected spinal injury. Hopefully it won't be that bad though...

[Jeppe]

Spinal injuries are always bad :-/

[sindroms]

Here's the map from Finnish rally championship - https://t.co/OUfj7dUDAl
Question is - since when organizers in Finland has started mark dangerous places with exclamation mark? Not only on maps, in this winter Finnish rally marks were on the stages too (if I recall correctly). Ok, no doubts, for example SS5 marked place ir really tricky and demanding for drivers, after 700m straight, right after blind crest, downhill lefthander - https://www.google.lv/maps/@61.6173568,22.7980977,3a,75y,303.05h,105.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siva_W_rz3ItVN2nSS7W_Xw!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656?hl=lv
But doesn't kill it all essence of rally?

[janvanvurpa]

Here's the map from Finnish rally championship - https://t.co/OUfj7dUDAl
Question is - since when organizers in Finland has started mark dangerous places with exclamation mark? Not only on maps, in this winter Finnish rally marks were on the stages too (if I recall correctly). Ok, no doubts, for example SS5 marked place ir really tricky and demanding for drivers, after 700m straight, right after blind crest, downhill lefthander - https://www.google.lv/maps/@61.6173568,22.7980977,3a,75y,303.05h,105.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siva_W_rz3ItVN2nSS7W_Xw!2e0!7i1 3312!8i6656?hl=lv
But doesn't kill it all essence of rally?

ei...Not really a few warnings here and there...Our Routebooks here always had occasional warnings of things that went beyond just be tricky but had dangerous consequences....we do have some big mountains and sometimes some exiting drops that usually are full of trees, but cut the trees which we do occasionally and no you can have bad off---off into the sky..
I remember a corner we'd see every 2nd rally---very fast into 4th on a ridge in trees, then a tricky left and at exact time the trees on the right stopped and hill sloped down steeply...When you approached you're looking into sky.

Even after 10 timesd there it was tricky and even 10 times a couple of knuckleheads would occasionally screw up the corner...

A little ! only go so far

[Rally Power]

Holly sheet! Amazing video, amazing speed and an amazing stage. This machine is a proper R5 killer.....

N+ Evo's wouldn’t be there if local ASN stick to FIA’s regs.

Btw, the N5 Suzuki Swift will make its debut at Ourense, next CERA rally. Hopefully, another competitive class bringing more diversity to Spanish championship.

[KKSF]

Lyoness Lääne-Eesti Rally 2016, Estonia
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJV5UM-NZl4

[TWRC]

Veszprém Rally finished not long ago. Herczig was lucky to win, he destroyed the front of the car on the last stage and lost over a minute. Tóth was 2nd after day1, but lost 1:30 with a double puncture to continue his rancid run of luck this season. Results:

1. Herczig-Bacigál, Skoda Fabia R5 1:45:01.4
2. Ollé-Czakó-Budai, Ford Fiesta S2000 +15.9 (10s pen.)
3. Balogh-Holczer, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +41.5
4. Spitzmüller-Béres, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X R4 +1:14.9
5. Velenczei-Farnadi, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +1:29.1
6. ifj.Tóth-Szőke, Peugeot 208 T16 Evo +2:03.1
7. Trencsényi-Verba, Ford Fiesta R5 +2:20.6
8. Vincze-Kuti, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +2:20.9
9. Rongits-Hannus, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +2:28.8
10. Lencse-Hofbauer, Ford Fiesta R5 +2:28.8

Notable retirements: Kazár (a bus hit him between stages and broke his suspension), Turi (he returned after 3 years I think, but his car (Impreza R4 from Fogassy) was shit, and eventually it broke down so much it went no further), Ranga P. (he drove the Topp Cars Fabia R5, but the rear crossmember came loose and had to stop; he was leading for a couple of stages yesterday), Kovács (mechanical), Hadik (the aforementioned crash).

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13432392_1051580064919201_8648598665245436137_n.jp g?oh=f712d10428acce012e329f82995e4fb8&oe=57CFE430

[giù tutto!]

Well...how about that???

http://www.lrc.lv/?m=4

[EstWRC]

only one stage but still...incredible!

[dimviii]

Rovanpera faster from Tidemand? http://www.petrolheads.gr/images/smilies/oldforum/dizzy2.gif

[giù tutto!]

Yep, on both today's stages

[Rallyper]

Very impressive from Kalle. However I believe PT values training more than top speed on the limit. But still.

[dimviii]

Μaybe Tidemand has to clean the road due to start position? can we check it?

[br21]

And who's fastest?:)

[giù tutto!]

According to the GPS tracking system Samsonas was first on the stage, then Tidemand and third car on the stage was Kalle. And Samsonas was fastest overall...

[dimviii]

so we cant say that Kalle had an advantage. Impressive for his age and against Tidemand.We havent see somebody to be faster from him at these kind of stages.Lets see if he can continue like that at tomorrow stages.

[Hartusvuori]

Samsonas, Tidemand, Rovanperä is the starting order. Tidemand and Rovanperä have similar cars, but different tyres. Tidemand naturally on WRC Michelin's, but Rovanperä has Pirellis with cuts. However, 0,33s/km faster than Sweden's experienced future hope is impressive. Hopefully Kalle won't peak before he gets a driving license!

[dimviii]

@Hartusvuori did Tidemand had any kind of problem?

[Hartusvuori]

Not that I've heard about anything.

Very exciting to being able to compare Kalle's times with well-known driver.

[EightGear]

Rallying's Max Verstappen? :D

[EstWRC]

Wow... I don't have words

[Jarek Z]

Great stage times from Kalle Rovanpera! Is he going to compete in the ERC Rally Liepaja? I guess he's too young?

[Rally Power]

Great stuff in Latvia and (hopefully) also in Spain. I’m leaving in a couple of hours for an exciting N+/R5/RGT/N5 battle at Rallye de Ourense. Amazingly all SS’s will also have live broadcast from local TV! Enjoy it at http://www.teleminho.com/

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClNpmUhWAAAMLs2.jpg

[dimviii]

Perez

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClN1hgJXIAAOkf6.jpg



Garcia

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClN0IUlWgAAtsmA.jpg

[dimviii]

Tidemand slightly faster from Kalle.
http://www.lrc.lv/?m=4

[dimviii]

Perez roll
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=2lV6JN5rel4

[dimviii]

Tidemand again faster 2,2 sec at 11km stage.
Rovanpera leader with 8,6 sec margin. Samsonas probably on problems
http://www.lrc.lv/?m=4

[dimviii]

Kalle slightly faster at ss5 Nice fight.

[Lord_Shaitan]

Yep, that's a pretty tight battle I'd say. This kid is phenomenal!

[dimviii]

after 5 stages Garcia leading with 32 sec,even after his flat tyre at stage 3
http://online1.atodomotor.com/online/2016/ourense/5/1/rally.html

[Ucci]

Yep, that's a pretty tight battle I'd say. This kid is phenomenal!

avesome!!

[Ucci]

after 5 stages Garcia leading with 32 sec,even after his flat tyre at stage 3
http://online1.atodomotor.com/online/2016/ourense/5/1/rally.html
and behind two cars which coluld start in one hour at 24h Le Mans....

[dimviii]

Kalle won stages 5-6 with small margin,but at stage 7 Tidemand won with 17,6 sec and now leading with 8,3 sec difference from Kalle.
Probably not a clear stage from the young driver.Do we know what kind of problem he had?

[Rallyper]

Puncture.

[dimviii]

Finally Tidemand wins with 9,8 sec diff from Kalle.
Impressive pace from a person that hasnt got a driver license.Didnt wait such pace against Tidemand.

[dimviii]

Garcia won again
http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/06/18/cristian-garcia-se-va-de-vacaciones-con-su-quinta-victoria-de-seis-posibles/

[stefanvv]

Garcia won again
http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/06/18/cristian-garcia-se-va-de-vacaciones-con-su-quinta-victoria-de-seis-posibles/

Of course he does.

[Ucci]

Garcia won again
http://www.diariomotor.com/competicion/2016/06/18/cristian-garcia-se-va-de-vacaciones-con-su-quinta-victoria-de-seis-posibles/
Congrats!
And again hard defeat for R5, as two P911 on 2nd and 3rd position.

[rallysupportnl]

Video: Vechtdal Rally 2016

Rally won by Jasper van den Heuvel (Lancer EVO X)

http://i66.tinypic.com/5b3git.jpg (https://youtu.be/fjZD_Fj0sa0)

Click on the photo or here --> https://youtu.be/fjZD_Fj0sa0

[KKSF]

Rally Zemaitija 2016, Lithuania
Pontus Tideman won rally with 9.8 seconds ahead Kalle Rovanpera
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV9UXdWAX5o

[sindroms]

Another one great video from Rally Zemaitija 2016 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybYxWWNKfBQ

[faateris]

Rally Žemaitija photos - http://janisasaris.com/jaunumi

JA

[Rally Power]

Some thoughts from a nice Rallye de Ourense.
Positive:
- Great job from organisers improving spectator’s safety standards: media campaigns and effective crowd control measures are making local rally fans more sensible.
– Huge diversity of rally cars: from almost road cars like the Dacia’s to the Gt’s or Proto’s (even Ramos Dytko Polo, that finish last, was among the public favorites).
– Garcia’s driving and the N+ handling: the Evo isn’t the most spectacular car around, but it’s damn fast and the set up seems perfect.
– 2wd strong field: according to SS’s stages Vidal in the S1600 Swift dominated but both the Clio and the R2 guys were always fighting and showing great speed.
Neutral:
- Swift N5 debut: the car looks nice and sounds great but suffered from many problems. Lots of work ahead to get N5’s fast on tarmac, still they‘re promising.
Negative:
- 911’s small restrictor. The “wow factor” that came from Porsche’s amazing acceleration almost disappeared. Burgo and Ares tried hard but their restricted cars are clearly slower delivering power.
– R5 driver’s performance. Vallejo still fighting to get a proper feeling from the car and Perez is probably giving his best but he’s not a top driver, yet.

IMO R5’s aren’t slower than N+’s; Canarias Rally SS’s times prove it at the beginning of the season and both Senra and Pernia managed to be at Garcia’s level on the previous events. RFEA must avoid FIA strict rules and with small changes on local regs (maybe a 35mm restrictor on the N+’s and definitely a larger one on the Gt’s) they can came out with a fair BoP, keeping the exciting diversity that every Spanish rally fan is glad and proud to have on their national rally championship.

Official video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTppyr26D3E
PS: did anyone take a look on Teleminho broadcast? Was it ok?

[Ucci]

Some thoughts from a nice Rallye de Ourense.
Positive:
- Great job from organisers improving spectator’s safety standards: media campaigns and effective crowd control measures are making local rally fans more sensible.
– Huge diversity of rally cars: from almost road cars like the Dacia’s to the Gt’s or Proto’s (even Ramos Dytko Polo, that finish last, was among the public favorites).
– Garcia’s driving and the N+ handling: the Evo isn’t the most spectacular car around, but it’s damn fast and the set up seems perfect.
– 2wd strong field: according to SS’s stages Vidal in the S1600 Swift dominated but both the Clio and the R2 guys were always fighting and showing great speed.
Neutral:
- Swift N5 debut: the car looks nice and sounds great but suffered from many problems. Lots of work ahead to get N5’s fast on tarmac, still they‘re promising.
Negative:
- 911’s small restrictor. The “wow factor” that came from Porsche’s amazing acceleration almost disappeared. Burgo and Ares tried hard but their restricted cars are clearly slower delivering power.
– R5 driver’s performance. Vallejo still fighting to get a proper feeling from the car and Perez is probably giving his best but he’s not a top driver, yet.

IMO R5’s aren’t slower than N+’s; Canarias Rally SS’s times prove it at the beginning of the season and both Senra and Pernia managed to be at Garcia’s level on the previous events. RFEA must avoid FIA strict rules and with small changes on local regs (maybe a 35mm restrictor on the N+’s and definitely a larger one on the Gt’s) they can came out with a fair BoP, keeping the exciting diversity that every Spanish rally fan is glad and proud to have on their national rally championship.

Official video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTppyr26D3E
PS: did anyone take a look on Teleminho broadcast? Was it ok?

Thanks for report !

[Rallyper]

What is N5? Saw that Swift on pic, but thought it was misspelled letters (eg. numbers)

[Rally Power]

What is N5? Saw that Swift on pic, but thought it was misspelled letters (eg. numbers)

N5 it’s the Spanish version of the Maxi Rally category. The cars use the same main components (engine, transmission, sub frame chassis, etc) but can be built over bodies of different brands. A sort of an silhouette rally car. There’s more info on the “R4 think tank” thread.

[edgars944]

Some photos from rally Žemaitija 2016:
https://www.facebook.com/motorsunsports/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1122471871144310

[hari]

Raimund Baumschlager testing for Schneebergland Rallye 2016:
http://www.ir7.at/brr21016.jpg (http://www.ir7.at/content/brr210616.html)


http://www.ir7.at/content/brr210616.html

[WUff1]

Hermann Neubauer won Schneebergland Rallye, Austria, in front of Gerwald Grössing (both Fiesta WRC), third Raimund Baumschlager (Fabia R5), fourth Niki Mayer-Melnhof (Fiesta R5). All results still not official.

[Ucci]

I think the Schneebergland Rally was a breaking point in Austrian championship. As it was held on gravel where Baumschlager has with his long-years experience an advantage over WRC boys (honestly-they are not known as a gravel experts...), I expected a tight fight for the victory.
But Neubauer (at the beginning also Grossing) was faster and has done a huge step towards the championship crown.

[WUff1]

I think the Schneebergland Rally was a breaking point in Austrian championship. As it was held on gravel where Baumschlager has with his long-years experience an advantage over WRC boys (honestly-they are not known as a gravel experts...), I expected a tight fight for the victory.
But Neubauer (at the beginning also Grossing) was faster and has done a huge step towards the championship crown.

Think so too.

[hari]

Gallery Schneebergland Rallye 2016:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_schneebergland_rallye_2016.html
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_orm_schneebergland_rallye_2016.html

http://www.ir7.at/sbg16.jpg (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_schneebergland_rallye_2016.html)

[hari]

Video Schneebergland Rallye 2016 - 11 Min:

http://www.ir7.at/sbg16v.jpg (https://vimeo.com/172298018)

https://vimeo.com/172298018

Onboard Raimund Baumschlager - SS1:
https://vimeo.com/172286308

[MV Rally]

Now, check and like our Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/MVRally

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Like to see movies and pictures from rally's in Holland, Belgium, Italy and WRC this year.
Also check our site www.mvrally.nl

[MV Rally]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLkpKexBjJU

[hari]

Fotos Gr. B Rallyelegenden Saalfelden 2016 - http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_gr_b_rallyelegenden_saalfelden_2016.h tml

http://www.ir7.at/sal.jpg

[aykutbilir]

Turkish Rally Championship is back on game with Leg 4 Bursa.

This year Bursa is all gravel again (switch from Tarmac to Gravel every year) with fast hard and hot stages.

Competion will be between CFTT - Orhan Avcioglu (Fiesta S2000), Neo Motorsport Yagiz Avci (Munaretto run 208 R5) and BCVision Motorsport Burak Cukurova (Friul run DS3 R5). CFTT's Murat Bostanci as told switch from Fiesta R5 to Fiesta R2T again as the season opener at Izmir.

Also there will be a strong competion at Gr.N Class between Lancers.

For itinerary http://www.bossek.org.tr/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/YBR-2016_It%C4%B1nerary.pdf
For stage maps http://www.bossek.org.tr/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/YBR2016_harita_V02.png

I will update for entry list too.

Our Team BCvision have 3 crews as Burak Cukurova with DS3 R5, Ahmet Burkay 208 R2 and Serkan Koparipek 208 R2.

[itix]

Hope the martial law status and general disquiet in Turkey won't affect things. Have a good rally :)

[Ucci]

Rally Weiz in Austria :
1. Neubauer (Fiesta WRC)
2. Baumschlager (Fabia R5)+20,5
3. Grossing (Fiesta WRC)+ 1,29,6
.
.
8. Von Thurn und Taxis (Fabia R5)+ 9:56,4

After day one Baumschlager was in the lead, but obviously Neubauer had a solid sleep and put the things today on the right position. I'm disappointed over Grossing performance, he was faster as Baumschlager just on three stages (and without any troubles, loosing constantly).
The German ''royal'' driver set some solid times on the last few stages.....

[WUff1]

Austrian "royal" driver Niki Mayer-Melnhof (Audi works driver) with Fiesta R5 on 4th place.

[hari]

Gallery Rallye Weiz 2016:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_rallye_weiz_2016.html


http://www.ir7.at/weiz16.jpg

[hari]

Video ORM Rallye Weiz 2016:
http://www.ir7.at/weiz16vid.jpg (https://vimeo.com/176038131)
https://vimeo.com/176038131

[TWRC]

I was at Weiz yesterday, so some thoughts on the event:
-The rally was good as always in every aspect (organization, weather, stages, etc.);
-Baumschlager was very spectacular to watch, had a controlled drive but always on the edge (at least where I was), and his Fabia was visibly head and shoulders above all the other R5s I've seen this season (maybe he's using factory spec?);
-Neubauer looked like he was pushing just enough to beat Baumschlager, but he was spectacular nonetheless;
-Grössing's car sounded well, but he was visibly slower than the first two;
-Mayr-Melnhof looked faster than his times;
-good drives from the top 2WD crews, especially Böhm, but there's so much you can do with R2 against R3s;
-the Mégane Maxi still sounds very well :D
All in all a good event, absolutely worth the trip again.

[cosmin_sb]

Transilvania Rally - 6th round of the Romania championship
1. Simone Tempesitini Ford Fiesta R5 00:48:29.9
2 Bogdan Marisca Ford Fiesta R5 +01:08.3
3 Dan Gartofan Skoda Fabia R5 +01:30.3

Simone lead the championship, he has won 4 rounds.

[Mirek]

Final results of Rally tatry, Slovakia

1. Ondrej (Fabia WRC) 47:35,6
2. Valoušek (Fabia R5) +32,2
3. Hádik (Fiesta R5) +1:08,5
4. Majerčák (Fiesta R5) +1:24,8
5. Tomaštík (Impreza WRc S12B) +1:49,4 (10 sec penalty)
6. Kukučka (Fabia R5) +3:39,6 (1:00 penalty)
7. Gavlák (Evo IX gr.N) +4:10,0
8. Cserhalmi (Evo IX gr.N) +4:25,3
9. Kundlák (208 R2) +4:55,5 (15 sec penalty)
10. Nagy (208 R2) +5:48,8

Grzyb (Fiesta R5), Melichárek (Fiesta WRC), Drotár (Fabia WRC), Trencsényi (Fiesta R5) all retired with technical problems.

[electroliquid]

From Samsonas Racing facebook page:
"Tragicomedy of BMW M3X and Rise of a Phoenix Maxi R5
Here we want to share our lonely considerations and thoughts about whole rally situation in Lithuania.
Of course biggest attention now is given to our fresh M3X car. And there are two sides or two camps of thinkers.
Biggest side of course is a true fans and rally lovers, who admire, love and are so excited about very interesting new car under rally sky..
Other side is unhappy side. Who are those guys? For sure not rally fans. Probably some scared drivers? Probably some part of rally ''politicians''? Actually it doesn't matter so much.
Now speeches spread and work is done to compare speeds of M3X and Mitsubishi and even R5. And plans rise how to make M3X less fast.
So let us ask whole rally word few, but very interesting questions. And let everyone answer for themselves. Once again, this is not propositions or facts, it is only considerations.
- How is it possible, how is it wise, to compare 2001 Year make street designed stock model BMW with 100% special R5 rally car, specially designed for toughest race conditions?
- How is it possible to compare 1200kg R5 against 1360kg BMW?
- Why nobody compares stage times when last year we drove Evo8? It was exactly same situation, just this year we are prepared much better.
- We had a historic win in Talsi. Why only all rally fans of all world congratulate us? Why not our sports politics?
- Generally speaking, rally is unfair sport at all! We can have different conditions for different drivers. Some can have dust, some can drive without dust. This is totally unfair. Lets ban dust!
Some can drive on rain, some can drive on dry! Rain is unfair, lets forbid rain. Some can drive when still clear view, some might need to drive in the dark, so darkness is unfair! Lets ban it!
Some can buy more new tires, some cannot. So new tires are unfair, we must ban it!
- Why nobody looks now at ERC Estonia results? Evo9 group N is much much faster than M3X. This is unfair, lets ban grN!
- Why WRC and Formula1 and other racing championships have drivers classification and also MANUFACTURERS classification? Are they stupid?
Why in these championships fight best car manufacturers like VW, Peugeot, Citroen, Renault, Skoda, Hyundai, Mercedes, Ferrari, Honda and so on?
Once again, open Rally Championship is not just a Cup/Series championship.
Regarding all this situation, and with a big wish to play honest (as we did all times, reading rules and making cars according to rules), for next year we negotiate with our old and good partner Roberto Mendez Competition regarding their new homologated Peugeot Maxi R5. This car has similar parameters engine like Skoda R5, has Samsonas Motorsport Sequential transmission on a basis of Subaru gearbox. Has same weight as R5 and very similar suspension.
And one more thing. Looking for guilty ones will never make you go forward. Looking how to make yourself better will make you better.
See you soon!"

https://www.facebook.com/Samsonas-Racing-1604552026438796/

[itix]

He's moaning and whining a bit too much for my taste.

It is obvious that his BMW is fast as hell and making the sport more equal for everyone is natural in rallying. It is not like he suddenly after thirteen years of rallying career learnt how to drive and started winning.

Whatever rules they run, he has interpreted them better than everyone else and he reaping the benefits.

Of course this would not go on forever and he should not be surprised.

[electroliquid]

Samsonas was fast enough to be on podium last six or seven years, but drove 2WD or had technical problems with 4WD. Last year drive Evo8 and manage to be faster than everyone else, including Lukyanuk (in another "home made" fast car) http://rallyutena.com/lt/bendri-rezultatai Yes, later Samsonas had accident with spectators car on side of stage...
Samsonas building great cars, and for some guys with big pockets he is enemy. When he drive 2WD BMW - car is too fast, sits in Subaru - car is too light, now again too fast. So many accusations against Samsonas, but there is national lithuanian rally spice - accuse faster guy, that he are breaking rules (or bending them).

[TWRC]

Today was the 5th round of the Hungarian Championship, the Székesfehérvár Rally (this year on tarmac stages only). It was a big fight between Herczig and Tóth, which was decided after Tóth collected two punctures on back-to-back stages and having had only one spare had retired (but this info is not official). Botka was present too, testing settings and because of this maybe but he was very slow (also had a puncture along the way). Anyways, if I'm not mistaken Herczig needs a few points from the next event to become champion.
Results:
1. Herczig-Bacigál, Skoda Fabia R5 53:51.2 (132.7 km/h average!)
2. Velenczei-Farnadi, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +25.3
3. Hadik-Kertész, Ford Fiesta R5 +48.9
4. Vincze-Kuti, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +58.0
5. Spitzmüller-Béres, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X R4 +1:17.8
6. Balogh-Holczer, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +1:31.4
7. Kazár-Ferencz, Ford Fiesta R5 +2:11.3 (+10s pen.)
8. Botka-Szeles, Citroën DS3 R5 Evo +2:32.8
9. Trencsényi-Verba, Ford Fiesta R5 Evo +2:33.7
10. Ollé - Czakó-Budai, Ford Fiesta S2000 +2:39.3
Edit:
Tóth actually crashed out after having a puncture and falling behind Herczig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liT0HMZmfIA

[tc10a]

Today was the 5th round of the Hungarian Championship, the Székesfehérvár Rally (this year on tarmac stages only). It was a big fight between Herczig and Tóth, which was decided after Tóth collected two punctures on back-to-back stages and having had only one spare had retired (but this info is not official). Botka was present too, testing settings and because of this maybe but he was very slow (also had a puncture along the way). Anyways, if I'm not mistaken Herczig needs a few points from the next event to become champion.
Results:
1. Herczig-Bacigál, Skoda Fabia R5 53:51.2 (132.7 km/h average!)
2. Velenczei-Farnadi, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +25.3
3. Hadik-Kertész, Ford Fiesta R5 +48.9
4. Vincze-Kuti, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +58.0
5. Spitzmüller-Béres, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X R4 +1:17.8
6. Balogh-Holczer, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +1:31.4
7. Kazár-Ferencz, Ford Fiesta R5 +2:11.3 (+10s pen.)
8. Botka-Szeles, Citroën DS3 R5 Evo +2:32.8
9. Trencsényi-Verba, Ford Fiesta R5 Evo +2:33.7
10. Ollé - Czakó-Budai, Ford Fiesta S2000 +2:39.3
Edit:
Tóth actually crashed out after having a puncture and falling behind Herczig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liT0HMZmfIA

And Herczig is already champion!

[br21]

Funny thing is when people cry, complain or just make their statements and they have no idea (most of the time at all) about what they are talking about.

I think there is only one person who drove Samsonas M3X and some R5 cars and has direct comparision. All the others who complain don't know a lot about R5 cars and also don't know too much about M3X. Yeah, it's very nice, very fast car, but cannot be compared to R5...




He's moaning and whining a bit too much for my taste.

It is obvious that his BMW is fast as hell and making the sport more equal for everyone is natural in rallying. It is not like he suddenly after thirteen years of rallying career learnt how to drive and started winning.

Whatever rules they run, he has interpreted them better than everyone else and he reaping the benefits.

Of course this would not go on forever and he should not be surprised.

[Mirek]

That's why I prefer very clear and very firm rules even if it means to loose a bit of variety because that's the only way to prevents such situations.

[br21]

Yes, but those rules are quite clear and Samsonas M3X is build 100% according to those rules, 100% clear car. I think it's not faster than Evo from last year, just with set-up (and most important general handling characteristics) which suits the driver much more.
Mirek, for sure you know it's not possible to build in small garage, even with best people and some amount of money, car performing similar to the one build by works team with big experience, not limited tests kms, etc. So no chances to compare with Skoda, Ford, etc. Samsonas car drove 20kms of light test (more like roll-out) and immediately won first stage of Sarma rally. Then of course technical issues, but it's normal with some prototype project with limited testing.
Most local people don't want to accept the fact that it's the driver who makes the difference. I have some experience with plenty of drivers and Samsonas on gravel is an exceptional talent! If he has clear mind and car which suits him he can be crazy fast. Of course he lacks experience, etc, but pure speed and talent are amazing.

[itix]

Yes, but those rules are quite clear and Samsonas M3X is build 100% according to those rules, 100% clear car. I think it's not faster than Evo from last year, just with set-up (and most important general handling characteristics) which suits the driver much more.
Mirek, for sure you know it's not possible to build in small garage, even with best people and some amount of money, car performing similar to the one build by works team with big experience, not limited tests kms, etc. So no chances to compare with Skoda, Ford, etc. Samsonas car drove 20kms of light test (more like roll-out) and immediately won first stage of Sarma rally. Then of course technical issues, but it's normal with some prototype project with limited testing.
Most local people don't want to accept the fact that it's the driver who makes the difference. I have some experience with plenty of drivers and Samsonas on gravel is an exceptional talent! If he has clear mind and car which suits him he can be crazy fast. Of course he lacks experience, etc, but pure speed and talent are amazing.
I doubt that Samsonas driving suddenly and magically got faster since last year...

If the details of his post are correct I can guarantee that his BMW makes more power than the R5s. There is no way something more than 100 kgs heavier is that much faster with the same driver without considerable power gain. He is probably running completely without restrictor.

Samsonas took advantage of lax rules and now he risk being held back by the same rules. I don't feel sorry for him.

Any idiot can go fast with lax rules. Turbocharged LS engines makes crazy power from a very condensed package so if I were to drop one into a Subaru with a strong enough transmission I could beat Samsonas tomorrow, and all Samsonas "rally fans" would be mighty impressed.

When Samsonas beats an R5 on equal turf I'm impressed. Until then I think he is complaining too much.

[electroliquid]

I doubt that Samsonas driving suddenly and magically got faster since last year...

If the details of his post are correct I can guarantee that his BMW makes more power than the R5s. There is no way something more than 100 kgs heavier is that much faster with the same driver without considerable power gain. He is probably running completely without restrictor.

Samsonas took advantage of lax rules and now he risk being held back by the same rules. I don't feel sorry for him.

Any idiot can go fast with lax rules. Turbocharged LS engines makes crazy power from a very condensed package so if I were to drop one into a Subaru with a strong enough transmission I could beat Samsonas tomorrow, and all Samsonas "rally fans" would be mighty impressed.

When Samsonas beats an R5 on equal turf I'm impressed. Until then I think he is complaining too much.

I'm not an expert, but N/A engines doesn't need restrictor according rally rules, and his BMW engine is N/A. According national rules engine must be made in same factory as a car (e.g. BMW with BMW engine, Subaru with Subaru, etc.) and must be up to 3500 ccm (turbo*1.7), so M3 engine fits these rules. Yes it has more power than R5 - BMW E46 M3 S54 B35 414Hp 429Nm. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1866796970214299&id=1604552026438796

It's hard to tell if he's faster than last year as a drives, 2015 he won 1 rally, and retired 2 times as leader, 2014 was 3rd overall with 2wd BMW E30 M3, in 2013 was 2nd overall in Lancer EVO IX. ANd in Rally Žemaitija 2016 his braking points was much more closer to Tidemand, and Rovanpera jr. than everybody else with R5, WRC (Old generation), and proto cars.
He was untouchible in autocross, he is fast in rally stage, and now when he made quick car, and combine it with his skills, suddenly everybody start attach him for being faster than everybody else.

[Ucci]

Mirek, for sure you know it's not possible to build in small garage, even with best people and some amount of money, car performing similar to the one build by works team with big experience, not limited tests kms, etc. So no chances to compare with Skoda, Ford, etc. Samsonas car drove 20kms of light test (more like roll-out) and immediately won first stage of Sarma rally. Then of course technical issues, but it's normal with some prototype project with limited testing.

That is the fact wich hurts most the owners of R5.....and also manufactures.

[br21]

I doubt that Samsonas driving suddenly and magically got faster since last year...

If the details of his post are correct I can guarantee that his BMW makes more power than the R5s. There is no way something more than 100 kgs heavier is that much faster with the same driver without considerable power gain. He is probably running completely without restrictor.

Samsonas took advantage of lax rules and now he risk being held back by the same rules. I don't feel sorry for him.

Any idiot can go fast with lax rules. Turbocharged LS engines makes crazy power from a very condensed package so if I were to drop one into a Subaru with a strong enough transmission I could beat Samsonas tomorrow, and all Samsonas "rally fans" would be mighty impressed.

When Samsonas beats an R5 on equal turf I'm impressed. Until then I think he is complaining too much.


He was already fastest last year with Mitsubishi, which was way more powerful than current BMW. And previous years also pretty fast with 2WD BMW.
You can of course have your opinion, that normal. But don't write that you "guarantee" anything about what you have totally no idea.

[itix]

He was already fastest last year with Mitsubishi, which was way more powerful than current BMW. And previous years also pretty fast with 2WD BMW.
You can of course have your opinion, that normal. But don't write that you "guarantee" anything about what you have totally no idea.

He had problems winning Lithuanian national events last year and all of a sudden this year he is faster than the entire ERC field.

I have no idea where you get your information but seriously... Not even Ogier could beat the entire ERC field with something that according to you is weaker and heavier than an R5 car. It is impossible.




I'm not an expert, but N/A engines doesn't need restrictor according rally rules, and his BMW engine is N/A. According national rules engine must be made in same factory as a car (e.g. BMW with BMW engine, Subaru with Subaru, etc.) and must be up to 3500 ccm (turbo*1.7), so M3 engine fits these rules. Yes it has more power than R5 - BMW E46 M3 S54 B35 414Hp 429Nm. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1866796970214299&id=1604552026438796

It's hard to tell if he's faster than last year as a drives, 2015 he won 1 rally, and retired 2 times as leader, 2014 was 3rd overall with 2wd BMW E30 M3, in 2013 was 2nd overall in Lancer EVO IX. ANd in Rally Žemaitija 2016 his braking points was much more closer to Tidemand, and Rovanpera jr. than everybody else with R5, WRC (Old generation), and proto cars.
He was untouchible in autocross, he is fast in rally stage, and now when he made quick car, and combine it with his skills, suddenly everybody start attach him for being faster than everybody else.

I don't know the exact rules in Lithuania, it was more of an example. If it was as easy as I described we'd have people wrapped around trees daily.

[Mirek]

Mirek, for sure you know it's not possible to build in small garage, even with best people and some amount of money, car performing similar to the one build by works team with big experience, not limited tests kms, etc.

If the garage builds the car under same rules as the manufacturer than I for sure agree. However if the rules are significantly different it doesn't need to be true as all the works cars are restricted. They are not the best what those manufacturers can build since the rules give them restrictions.

Not speaking about Samsonas as I know nothing about his case. I mean general principle why I don't support some crazy local invented rules very different than FIA ones. It's same case with GTs here in CZ where ASN basically allows whatever Invelt team comes with. In this moment nobody can say how fast their car is when there is no sensible comparison.

[itix]

He had problems winning Lithuanian national events last year and all of a sudden this year he is faster than the entire ERC field.

I have no idea where you get your information but seriously... Not even Ogier could beat the entire ERC field with something that according to you is weaker and heavier than an R5 car. It is impossible.





I don't know the exact rules in Lithuania, it was more of an example. If it was as easy as I described we'd have people wrapped around trees daily.
Ok correction... I missed that the open class did not run all the stages up until stage 13 so I compared times wrong with the main rally. My mistake, sorry about that!

Samsonas is still faster than most of the ERC field, but not as crazy fast as I thought he was. Apologies where apologies are due.

[br21]

During Rally Estonia he was not that fast. Only one stage he won ex equo with ERC drivers, rest he was slower, around 5-7 positions most of the time.
Last season he was by far fastest on all lithuanian champs events he took part in. Just had some punctures, technical issues and one off.
I have enough data to compare acceleration, etc of M3X and R5 cars and I know what I'm writing.

[A FONDO]

8 minute onboard from Lukanyuk. He still drives the R5 like a long heavy Mitsubishi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6JLnvcEGEk (http://vk.com/away.php?to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch% 3Fv%3Dj6JLnvcEGEk&post=-20488628_3282)

[dimviii]

8 minute onboard from Lukanyuk. He still drives the R5 like a long heavy Mitsubishi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6JLnvcEGEk (http://vk.com/away.php?to=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch% 3Fv%3Dj6JLnvcEGEk&post=-20488628_3282)

amazing drive as always. Pitty that he is out of money.

[electroliquid]

http://automanas.tv3.lt/savadarbiams-automobiliams-musu-salies-ralio-trasose-ne-vieta/ Some more info in local media about Samsonas car, and what difficulties they have faced now, sadly same accusations on Vorobjov's Mirage Proto, which isn't so "super too fast". Google translate does OK job on this article ;)

[garais22]

VIDEO: After big and spectacular jump crew crashed out :(
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/5988-vorobjovam-izstasanas-svedam-un-gorelovam-iespaidigas-avarijas-video/

[Mirek]

Rally Lubeník, Slovakia, saw a big battle between Valoušek, Grzyb and Melichárek. In the end Valoušek won, Melichárek's car broke down in the last stage and Grzyb hit two chicanes. Again awesome driving by Ján Kundlák with R2.

1. Valoušek (Fabia R5) 46:56,6
2. Grzyb (Fiesta R5) +15,2 (20 sec penalty)
3. Ondrej (Fabia WRC) +36,4 (10 sec penalty)
4. Majerčák (Fiesta R5) +59,3
5. Černý (Fabia R5) +1:11,1 (10 sec penalty)
6. Cvrček (Fabia R5) +2:28,8 (10 sec penalty)
7. Kundlák (208 R2) +4:11,4
8. Cserhalmi (Evo IX gr.N) +4:19,3
9. Lapdavský (Evo IX gr.N) +4:45,8
10. Tábori (C2 R2) +5:19,8

Notable retirements: Melichárek (Fiesta WRC) - technical, Drotár (Fabia WRC) - technical, Sýkora (Fabia R5) - off road, Tomaštík (Impreza WRC S12B) - technical,