Mini set to announce wrc entry

[MrMetro]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85369

finally...

[jbmarcus21]

Mads Ostberg is announced to drive it .... and ?

[General Prim]

Mads Ostberg is announced to drive it .... and ?

Mads Ostberg?, well.... For sure there are much more competitive drivers out there!

[I am evil Homer]

Ostberg? Guess next year is a glorified test then - I know he's loyal to Prodrive and on his day a handy driver but unless that Mini is super, super fast he's never going to be a contender.

Nice to see it made official. We now have a contender for ugliest rally car since the SX4 ;)

[JFL]

We now have a contender for ugliest rally car since the SX4 ;)
Well, did you forget about all the other car that has been in the WRC for the last 5 years?.. ;)

[I am evil Homer]

Personally I think the C4 is a pretty decent looking rally car in Red Bull livery.

[jbmarcus21]

Do you remember ... Totalrally article (03/03/10)

"
Mark my Words, it’s Marcus!

03/03/2010
TotalRally

Speculation that Prodrive are on the verge of a dramatic return to the WRC with Mini reached fever pitch a couple of weeks ago with the appearance of David Richards and senior BMW execs at Rally Sweden. But what has been strangely lacking is the usual gossip and speculation surrounding who might get the golden seats with the mercurial DR and his band of merry motorsports men.

DR can be full of surprises and has very often in the past done the unexpected when it comes to driver choice. Petter Solberg’s defection from Ford to Subaru certainly surprised and upset Malcolm Wilson. Richard Burns proposed return to Prodrive in 2004 was unexpected because of the acrimonious nature of the split just a few years previously. And when Richard tragically couldn’t return to Subaru, his replacement Mikko Hirvonen had a few folk scratching their heads.

But this time round, if we are to believe the return of the Great Bearded One is imminent, then perhaps his scope to shock and surprise with driver choice is a little more limited.

BMW and Prodrive will not be entering the championship to play second fiddle to the entrenched podium sitters at Ford and Citroen. They will have one clear objective - to win rallies. And I think they will be looking to win from the off. So who is capable of delivering such a demanding objective?

One man and one man only, Marcus Gronholm.

OK, so he’s been out of practice for a few years. But his performance on day one of Rally Portugal last year where he was quickest in a dog of a car, and his recent outing in Sweden where he showed tantalising glimpses of his latent genius were enough to convince me that he can still mix it with the very best. Unlikely that a man of forty one could head up a manufacturer team you might say? Well I say who else?

Gronholm is quite literally a giant of the sport, and a giant of the motor industry such as BMW will demand a lead driver of some status. The only other available driver who could possibly challenge Gronholm for the seat is Petter Solberg, However, a Prodrive return for the mercurial Norwegian is a tantalising yet unlikely prospect.

The big question mark concerning a Gronholm return is not his appetite for the sport. I believe he is desperate for a return to top level competition after a somewhat uneasy semi retirement. The only valid question concerning Gronholm’s suitability for the role are his credentials as a test and development driver. At forty one years old Gronholm will have to put all his focus and energy into competing, and this is entirely understandable. So who develops and sets up the car? That’s where the choice of a second driver becomes crucial.

Two drivers instantly come to mind when looking at the requirements. You need someone who is quick and has the potential to win. But at the same time you need someone who will consistently bring your car home and score points. And critically, you need someone who is willing to put in the endless hours of testing and development needed to deliver a machine capable of winning rallies.

PG Anderson and Kris Meeke are the only two drivers of the current crop who I believe can fulfil all the above requirements. Both have exceptional track records when it comes to developing new cars. Both have raw speed. And both have the maturity to accept and excel in the position of number two driver to Gronholm.

So is it a done deal with the guys from BMW Mini and is a Prodrive return imminent? Well we all hope so. And if it is then I’d happily wager a bet that the return of the charismatic Gronholm is also very much on the cards.

But as mentioned earlier, DR is a complex and unpredictable character. So it’s perhaps best to expect the unexpected!"


What do you think about it ??
In your mind, The article is always of news??

[N.O.T]

nice fairytale...Marcus has nothing to offer to the sport anymore, especially with the mini, plus i don't think he wants a full program in the WRC again.

Lets see how the mini project goes....they need a miracle to be able to catch ford and citroen in the development of the new WRC.

[Rallyper]

How about Markko Märtin? :)

[koko0703]

Couple weeks ago, Autosports Japan reported Toyota is seeking to tie up with Prodrive in an attempt to come back to WRC but I guess that was just a rumor. Anyways, I will welcome Mini once it becomes official.

[vkangas]

Timo Jouhki (manager of Mikko and J-M) said in his latest column that it seems that no new manufacturers are coming for next season.

The good part was that he is expecting 3 or 4 new manufacturers for season 2012.

[noel157]

Couple weeks ago, Autosports Japan reported Toyota is seeking to tie up with Prodrive in an attempt to come back to WRC but I guess that was just a rumor. Anyways, I will welcome Mini once it becomes official.

Think Toyota were just evaluating the possibility of returning to the WRC in the sense they were just thinking about it, hence the visit to Rally Portugal.
I suspect the rumour about Prodrive was because there wasn't any solid news about Mini until now.

[Rollo]

Would they be keen to exploit their "history" and plaster the number 37 on their doors?

[Josti]

Would they be keen to exploit their "history" and plaster the number 37 on their doors?

Doubt that, but it would be nice to see them turn out red with a white hood or something.

Anyway, they will only drive selected rounds of the championship next year, which I think is a wise choise. Combine it with some national rallies or IRC (if that's possible) I would say.

[Woodeye]

Timo Jouhki (manager of Mikko and J-M) said in his latest column that it seems that no new manufacturers are coming for next season.

The good part was that he is expecting 3 or 4 new manufacturers for season 2012.

Hasn't that been the case for ages now? "No manufacturers coming in next year, but we are EXPECTING to see 5-10 in the year after next one..." I don't believe it before I see it.

[RICARDO75]

"By expanding its all-road range, MINI is paving the way to an increasingly likely entry into the World Rally Championship. The series switches to 1.6-litre turbo engines next year, making the Canyon a prime candidate to be turned into a rally car with specialist Prodrive the favourite to run the project."




http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_766/car_photo_383374_25.jpg

[I am evil Homer]

Wow that's somehow even uglier than the Countryman. Impressive design work...

[navtheace]

Don't know why MINI are bothering.

With the rumour that S2000/S1.6T is going to be canned sooner rather than later. It will leave these MINI's to be unwanted and the manufacturer bitter from putting in all the effort.

R1, R2, R3, R4 is the way forward and R3 would be an ideal class for MINI with their FWD 1.6 Turbo cooper S.

[Voice of Rally]

nice fairytale...Marcus has nothing to offer to the sport anymore, especially with the mini, plus i don't think he wants a full program in the WRC again.

Lets see how the mini project goes....they need a miracle to be able to catch ford and citroen in the development of the new WRC.


Hi NOT,

The only fairytales I tend to indulge in are those of the Snow White variety with my three year old daughter!

I can see where your scepticism comes from, but if you read this week's MSN or Autosport in the UK you'll see that the article is pretty much spot on. I also still believe that the second driver will be either Meeke or PG.

The encouraging news though is that it looks like the BMW Mini project is about to be announced and this has to be great news for next year's WRC. I'm also encouraged by what looks like a shift towards a driver's market where talent and not the dollar is recognised.

Lots of grounds for optimism I'd say, but lets wait and see.

[User]

A tweet from Bernand Munster:

"Just saw the new Mini WRC @ Prodrive. Looks promising..."

http://twitter.com/bernardmunster

[Hartusvuori]

Marcus linked to the Mini project, but of course by his style, he "will have to think about it".

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85418

[alleskids]

Marcus is also linked to X-Raid to drive a BMW X3CC in the Dakar rally. He has tested with the car. Could be a perfect combination, staying in the BMW family: driving a BMW X3cc and a (BMW) Mini WRCar.

[GOODSPEED]

not sure if this is something or nothing....

http://autosport.aeiou.pt/gen.pl?p=stories&op=view&fokey=as.stories/84997

[turves]

A mate of mine who works at Prodrive has just confirmed the not so secret secret that Prodrive are off on a mini-adventure... I guess by that there will be a press release or something today.

[Allyc85]

Confirmed!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85590

[rallyrazz]

Excellent! This should be the start of something special for the World Rally Championship. :)

[AndyRAC]

At last! Great news, somebody to take the fight to Citroen/Ford.......

[grugsticles]

I sure everyone will welcome another manufacturer to the fold, but realistically we wont see anything in terms of increased competition for at least until season 2013.
As for drivers, is there anything more solid than a few rumours about Gronholm, PG and Meeke?

[rallyrazz]

a picture of what it will look like: http://www.prodrive.com/images/gallery/original/MINI_Countryman_WRC.jpg

[snellman]

a picture of what it will look like: http://www.prodrive.com/images/gallery/original/MINI_Countryman_WRC.jpg
four doors :D

[Saabaru]

Awesome!!!


a picture of what it will look like: http://www.prodrive.com/images/gallery/original/MINI_Countryman_WRC.jpg

[pino]

Love it :D

[Mirek]

http://photos.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_738/car_photo_369484_25.jpg

[Francis44]

Are they really going to rally with an SUV :eek: ?! It's going to be fun seeing those cars live I am sure :) .

[Koppomsbo]

Are they really going to rally with an SUV :eek: ?! It's going to be fun seeing those cars live I am sure :) .

SUV?

[JAM]

Are they really going to rally with an SUV :eek: ?!

Did you saw the same car as me? :rolleyes:

A 4 door car is good. I'm starting to be sad with all these small cars in rallying. The rallying is starting to be a "small cars class"

[Fide]

I Predict Petter will land here.........................

[Francis44]

SUV?

Isn't that an SUV?! Or atleast an SUV wannabe?!

[J.Lindstroem]

"We already have a significant number of confirmed customer orders for the new Mini rally car with the first deliveries scheduled for the start of the 2011 season"

What does this mean? Will they deliver cars to private drivers already in 2011?

[MJW]

"We already have a significant number of confirmed customer orders for the new Mini rally car with the first deliveries scheduled for the start of the 2011 season"

What does this mean? Will they deliver cars to private drivers already in 2011?
There was a hint that unless they had firm orders for a number of cars (25 I think) they wouldn't give the green light for the project. Possibly tats what's been holding up the announcement until now?
It will be strange to see customer cars from beginning of the year, when the official cars are scheduled to join WRC in Sardinia in May.

I Predict Petter will land here.........................
Disagree - I reckon Petter is much more likely to return to a Subaru programme, or Toyota programme than a Prodrive programme.

[Tomi]

I Predict Petter will land here.........................

I dont, Richards says they try to find a brittish driver, and propably goes for a younger one, like they did before.

[General Prim]

Have you look at the tyres?

BF Goodrich....

and Citroën will use them too

What about Ford?

[N.O.T]

nice choice of car....i wonder if they will finish the season next year....

[Josti]

Glad it's finally announced, and judging from the sketch, the design looks pretty good. It's a wise choise to only do selected rounds next year, instead of rushing things too much. I'm pretty convinced Meeke will land in one of those cars.

[JAM]

Isn't that an SUV?! Or atleast an SUV wannabe?!

If it's a SUV, then must be the lowest SUV on the market.

So, there's no problem on being a SUV.

I predict Petter Solberg with Mini... and why? Well, they need a drive with experience to the development, and thay need a driver with a good image wher start making rallies. Solberg has all of it, and Prodrive knows him very well.

[rallyrazz]

Have you look at the tyres?

BF Goodrich....

and Citroën will use them too

What about Ford?

I would be suprised if Ford didn't use BF Goodrich, I mean after all, when it comes to rally tyres, Michelin/BF Goodrich are the best.

[Roy]

....
I predict Petter Solberg with Mini... and why? Well, they need a drive with experience to the development, and thay need a driver with a good image wher start making rallies. Solberg has all of it, and Prodrive knows him very well.

All of what you say is a point of view form Mini/prodrive. And Petter himself?
He knows Prodrive too... I don't think he want in a car made by prodrive.

[MJW]

If it's a SUV, then must be the lowest SUV on the market.

So, there's no problem on being a SUV.

I predict Petter Solberg with Mini... and why? Well, they need a drive with experience to the development, and thay need a driver with a good image wher start making rallies. Solberg has all of it, and Prodrive knows him very well.
Prodrive and Petter didn't enjoy the best of friendships during the latter years of the SWRT programme. Anything can happen when contracts are concerned, and it could be a marriage of convenience ( Mini need the publicity and Petter needs a manufacturer) but Petter had a better relationship with Subaru Japan than the management at Banbury.
My guess is that Petter stands a better chance with a Toyota or Subaru return to WRC.

[Tomi]

My guess is that Petter stands a better chance with a Toyota or Subaru return to WRC.

If he still is driving then, I belive this is his last year in WRC, actually they dont have the budget yet for this year either.

[JAM]

If he still is driving then, I belive this is his last year in WRC, actually they dont have the budget yet for this year either.

And what better? Stop or go to work with Prodrive?

And yes, Mini will need a top driver to present to the world. An unnemployed top-driver as Solberg, won't be ridiculous expensive.

That's my point.

[Tomi]

And what better? Stop or go to work with Prodrive?

And yes, Mini will need a top driver to present to the world. An unnemployed top-driver as Solberg, won't be ridiculous expensive.

That's my point.

Well, Richards said they are looking for a young Brittish driver, He is not young and not Brittish either.

[Francis44]

Well, Richards said they are looking for a young Brittish driver, He is not young and not Brittish either.

Thing is the only top british driver righ now is Meeke, and Im not sure if he wants to drop PSA group, and if he does I see him in Ford not at Mini.

[N.O.T]

wilks is the other choice ...not that young anymore of course but capable to some extend.

and the choices end there.......

[Tomi]

Thing is the only top british driver righ now is Meeke, and Im not sure if he wants to drop PSA group, and if he does I see him in Ford not at Mini.

Im not so worried, im sure they find the right guys for the work, they have been testing drivers all the time, Im sure that they by now know who can drive and cant.

[MJW]

Wilks had raised the money for a 3rd Prodrive run S14 for the 2009 season before SWRT pulled out. Fastest guy and best prospect from the British Isles is a young guy from the Republic of Ireland (not GB/UK) and that is Keith Cronin.
Higgy and co missed the boat during the no seats days and Kris Meeke is quite well in with PSA Group. I suspect Marcus + his young Finish protege, plus Ostberg as a pay driver.

[rallyrazz]

wilks is the other choice ...not that young anymore of course but capable to some extend.

and the choices end there.......

how about the current British Rally Champion, Keith Cronin? Or how about Adam Gould?

[jbmarcus21]

I think and hope...

Ostberg on European Gravel and Tarmac Rallies
Gronholm gravel european
Meeke tarmac european

[Tomi]

[quote="JAM"]And what better? Stop or go to work with Prodrive?/QUOTE]

Do you still belive that in motorsport you just go to some team, if that would be the case why do you think he is privateer?

Maybe they try to get Sordo, not too old yet, and he has good notes and experience of the stages.

[N.O.T]

I think and hope...

Ostberg on European Gravel and Tarmac Rallies
Gronholm gravel european
Meeke tarmac european

Any serious team must have 2 dedicated drivers....so they can challenge for the manufacturer title and also the drivers to be motivated, if you keep changing the drivers then there is no motivation for them to perform better or improve.

[N.O.T]

how about the current British Rally Champion, Keith Cronin? Or how about Adam Gould?

aaaaah of course....and what about Breen ?

hire all three of those nobodys and every time they are ahead of a s2000/N4 car in the standings open the champagnes !!!

[noel157]

Wilks had raised the money for a 3rd Prodrive run S14 for the 2009 season before SWRT pulled out. Fastest guy and best prospect from the British Isles is a young guy from the Republic of Ireland (not GB/UK) and that is Keith Cronin.
Higgy and co missed the boat during the no seats days and Kris Meeke is quite well in with PSA Group. I suspect Marcus + his young Finish protege, plus Ostberg as a pay driver.

Cronin? What makes you think that?

[Mirek]

Neither Meeke nor Wilks are young anymore (31 and 29). If they want young British, than they should choose Cronin (24) although he has to pick up some international experience.

[Mirek]

aaaaah of course....and what about Breen ?

hire all three of those nobodys and every time they are ahead of a s2000/N4 car in the standings open the champagnes !!!

Everyone starts as a nobody. Some stays like that, some not but You can't find who is something else without trying.

[rallyrazz]

]Everyone starts as a nobody. Some stays like that, some not but You can't find who is something else without trying.

true. Loeb was once a nobody, and if citroen hadn't taken a chance on him, then he might of stayed as a nobody. same with colin mcrae and it was prodrive who took a chance on him.

[N.O.T]

]Everyone starts as a nobody. Some stays like that, some not but You can't find who is something else without trying.

This is true but usually you must have some indication that the guy you are going to use for your OFFICIAL WRC MANUFACTURER ENTRY can actually drive a car and has some results against some respactable opponents.

The trying part is called "private entry" in the WRC...

[Tomi]

Anyway its good it comes new makes to WRC, many youngsters has put in own, stolen and borrowed to get a rally carreer, its good that now and then someone succeed, it gives hope for others aswell, will be interesting to see who announces next.

[JAM]

Do you still belive that in motorsport you just go to some team, if that would be the case why do you think he is privateer?


I don't understand the question...

[Tomi]

I don't understand the question...

You asked, And what better? Stop or go to work with Prodrive?

[N.O.T]

he means the teams chose drivers not the opposite way.....and in that choice a lot of factors play their role not just speed and skills.

[Tom206wrc]

Well, if BMW doesn't help Prodrive(budget, developpment), I see the MINI project to remain a "M-Sport Ford"(meaning no way to be able to succeed in competing against a factory like Citroën) :mark:

But anyway very good news though :bounce:

[N.O.T]

i cannot see BMW helping that much....their useless oversized karting project sucks right now and needs more money i guess, plus i think they would use a BMW car if they wanted to really help the company. i see mini entering for 1.5 seasons then pull a suzuki.

[I am evil Homer]

This smacks of being a marketing-led car decision and the last time someone did that it was a full factory team and the car was the wrong choice...307 'coupe'.

[grugsticles]

Prodrive/Mini would be very unwise to just look at British drivers as there are many drivers out there of other nationalities who would be quite cheap and have good experience and speed.
I suspect things like verbal communication, lifestyle, and team chemistry are Richards main reasons for looking for someone of his own nationality.

For example, Atkinson, Anderson, Duval are all perfect selections.
Hell, if they really want to get serious they will hire all 3 and in no time their car will come up to speed if they are willing to put the money in.

[Jake Stephens]

]Neither Meeke nor Wilks are young anymore (31 and 29). If they want young British, than they should choose Cronin (24) although he has to pick up some international experience. Cronin is Irish.

[Mirek]

ah, sorry ;)

[rv65]

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/07/27/mini-confirms-entry-into-2011-world-rally-championship-with-coun/

Now it's official. Mini is entering the WRC with Prodrive and yes they will use the Countryman and not the regular Mini.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE66Q20N20100727

Prodrive and Mini hope to win a WRC title within 3 years.

[J.Lindstroem]

It is good news with another manufactor to the Wrc. I hope that they decide to pick an older driver with some experience as number one driver. Marcus would be a very very good choice, it feels like the question is if he really want to to a comeback. If they want an english young driver, what about Tom Cave?

[alleskids]

I thing it will work the same as X-Raid does with the BMW cars in the Dakar rally. BMW allowes the team to devellop the car, using the BMW brand name, giving some advice and minimum help. The team has to find it's own budget/ drivers with cash. So do not expect many help from BMW. It is a Prodrve project. I guess the same like M-Sport, but with less support form the manufacturer.

[J.Lindstroem]

I thing it will work the same as X-Raid does with the BMW cars in the Dakar rally. BMW allowes the team to devellop the car, using the BMW brand name, giving some advice and minimum help. The team has to find it's own budget/ drivers with cash. So do not expect many help from BMW. It is a Prodrve project. I guess the same like M-Sport, but with less support form the manufacturer.

How was it with Subaru when Prodrive started working with them? Did they have a lot of factory suport?

[Wasted Talent]

]Neither Meeke nor Wilks are young anymore (31 and 29). If they want young British, than they should choose Cronin (24) although he has to pick up some international experience.

Cronin is Irish - from the Republic of Ireland not not British part in Northern Ireland, Ulster

WT

[Wasted Talent]

how about the current British Rally Champion, Keith Cronin? Or how about Adam Gould?

Am I the only Brit to have no idea wHat Adam Gould has done? He has won prize drives but on what basis??

WT

[J.Lindstroem]

And he has never been driving outside of Britan, right?

[steve_spackman]

Good news, but i Hope they don't end up like Suzuki and Skoda...waving the white flag after 1 or 2 seasons

[vkangas]

Early indication shows that factory support from BMW may be rather limited. I haven't noticed the WRC announcement on any BMW/Mini sites, only on Prodrive's own site.

One good thing is that the engine is coming from BMW Motorsport. So I don't expect SX4-like engine problems.

[J.Lindstroem]

Good news, but i Hope they don't end up like Suzuki and Skoda...waving the white flag after 1 or 2 seasons

Aw it breaks my heart when you say that about Skoda. At least they tried... For 15 years!

[J.Lindstroem]

the engine is coming from BMW Motorsport.

That is really good news!

[steve_spackman]

I head that Mr Bean is going to be the number 1 driver! :p :

[steve_spackman]

Aw it breaks my heart when you say that about Skoda. At least they tried... For 15 years!

I was referring to the Fabia

[Mirek]

Good news, but i Hope they don't end up like Suzuki and Skoda...waving the white flag after 1 or 2 seasons

Skoda was in WRC as factory team since 1999 to 2005. Never really competitive but at least good for variety and numbers ;)


I was referring to the Fabia

Since Germany 2003 to Wales 2005 with Fabia. That's 2,5 years. Later with CRT Kopecký which was still semi-factory team although with very limited development.

Ah yes, and since 1970' to 1998 in lower classes.

[J.Lindstroem]

I head that Mr Bean is going to be the number 1 driver! :p :

AWSOME! and with that teddybear as codriver? :D

[Mirek]

Don't laugh! Mr.Bean knows better than anyone else how lock his car! :D

Besides that how many WRC drivers can drive from the armchair on the roof using a broom? :D

[J.Lindstroem]

I was referring to the Fabia

Ah, okay. Thats true. Thats a so big shame. They had a good car there... Colin, Mikko and PG all showed it...

[RS]

Ah, okay. Thats true. Thats a so big shame. They had a good car there... Colin, Mikko and PG all showed it...

and Duval and Kopecky and Mikkelsen and... Anyway, it just shows that if you want to suceed you need decent drivers so Mini need to get that right first, and there are plenty available right now.

If they want a British driver then it has to be Meeke. Don't see the point in going younger just for the sake of it, Meeke still has 10 years in him. P Solberg/K Meeke sounds like a decent lineup. Petter is the best available driver with up to date WRC experience.

Atkinson I could also see happening as Prodrive worked with him before with decent results.

[Mirek]

Ron, take pink glasses down. Fabia WRC never was a top contender and few flashes don't change much.

[J.Lindstroem]

and Duval and Kopecky and Mikkelsen and... Anyway, it just shows that if you want to suceed you need decent drivers so Mini need to get that right first, and there are plenty available right now.

Many drivers showed that it had potential. But that was after the car was retired. I fint that so strange.. I count Gardemeister as one of the top drivers, but he never even had a glimse of performance in the Fabia..

[RS]

]Ron, take pink glasses down. Fabia WRC never was a top contender and few flashes don't change much.

I know it was never a top contender, on the other hand I trust you have seen the times in sWRC....

[Mirek]

It's not Skoda topic. We can talk about that elsewhere ;)

[RS]

Many drivers showed that it had potential. But that was after the car was retired. I fint that so strange.. I count Gardemeister as one of the top drivers, but he never even had a glimse of performance in the Fabia..

I guess the problems were split between the car, the management and the drivers. None of them were good enough.

You are right; after the factory team retired it suddenly started winning stages and scoring points.

Anyway, let's get this thread back on topic! I don't really expect the Mini to challenge Ford or Citroen straight away, but I don't expect it to be a Suzuki either.

[steve_spackman]

AWSOME! and with that teddybear as codriver? :D

They can bring some REAL personality to the series...something it lacks at the moment ;)

[Maui J.]

Fantastic news to see a confirmed manufacturer... not just another rumour.

My guess is that Petter will be invited to do some testing with the Mini.

For 2011 I see Marcus doing the driving on the WRC events.
As far as confirmed drivers for 2012 are concerned my money goes on Meeke and Petter. I just don't really see a young British driver up to the task at the moment.
I also predict Nikara in a third (junior position) car.

Lets hope this new manufacturer is the beginning of many more to bring the WRC out of 'being in the doldrums'.

[N.O.T]

the fact that they plan to win the title in 3 years time shows at least a level of dedication, nomatter how it ends...hope they manage reasonable results and stay then...

[bt52b]

If they are serious they need four cars to compete with Citroen.

2011 is going to be a development year. How many times have we heard that for Prodrive in the recent past...

BWW & Prodrive really need to up their respective games. Lately they both have been unsuccessful in a number of motorsport programmes.

How they can win soon, so it shakes up the championship good and proper.

[koko0703]

First I'd like to welcome Mini to WRC! It's always great to hear the new manufacturer comfirms the entry to WRC, and we, fans, have waited for a long period of time to see new manufacturer entry. I hope they will stick with sports for years to come and Mini's decision will encourage other manufacturers, such as Toyota/Subaru, to re-join the rally scene in the near future.

Good luck, Mini!

[Tomi]

I guess the problems were split between the car, the management and the drivers. None of them were good enough.

But if the car and management is not good enough, its impossible to get top level drivers in the team, not even with money, same goes for every team.

[janvanvurpa]

Aw it breaks my heart when you say that about Skoda. At least they tried... For 15 years!

They tried and did good as long as it was the Czechs themselves running the show, John Hauglund fra Norge won RAC in 1,3 liter class and often very high overall placing HOW MANY TIMES?
Triner and Sibera in the Favorit in the early 90s----with gearkits made by Janne Selholm i Köpng, and Stig Blomqvist in RAC 96 3rd overall was pretty good, that was maybe 25 years of Giant killing...

Then the Germans took over and it all went åt helvete......

[tmx]

As far as confirmed drivers for 2012 are concerned my money goes on Meeke and Petter. I just don't really see a young British driver up to the task at the moment. I can't see neither Petter nor Chris coming back to Prodrive. DR said in the past he only spent 30% company resource on rally, more on sport car and F1. Petter wants full commitment. I can see potentials are Meeke, loyal customer Ostberg, maybe Wilks, and maybe PG, but only if he drives for free, which would still be better than paying Ford to drive in a Stobart car, not that he could easily find the money. I wouldn't mind seeing Gronholm doing a few rallies before the full season.

However, I like the IRC and I prefer to see Meeke and Wilks continue in it, but they'll move up to WRC with opportunity.

[ridder]

I don't see Petter driving or testing for Prodrive not after 2005-2008...

[rv65]

They tried and did good as long as it was the Czechs themselves running the show, John Hauglund fra Norge won RAC in 1,3 liter class and often very high overall placing HOW MANY TIMES?
Triner and Sibera in the Favorit in the early 90s----with gearkits made by Janne Selholm i Köpng, and Stig Blomqvist in RAC 96 3rd overall was pretty good, that was maybe 25 years of Giant killing...

Then the Germans took over and it all went åt helvete......

This is why VW shouldn't enter the WRC. VW will never succeed, even if they tried. I could see VW being the next Hyundai/Suzuki but maybe even worse. VW can only win if there is no competition and I doubt there will be no competition. I think the Mini WRC will win more WRC victories before any future VWCar.

[rv65]

VW's management is totally wrong when it comes to motorsport.

[cali]

PG and Mikkelsen are the fastest drivers out there without a seat at the moment IMHO

If you want young talents, then Lindroos and Tänak will be my first choices. They don't have much experience yet, but both are blindingly fast out from the box.

[Tomi]

Maybe next weekends S2000 in 1000 Lakes, gives some hint who they might pick.

[Josti]

This is why VW shouldn't enter the WRC.

What, because there German?



VW will never succeed, even if they tried. I could see VW being the next Hyundai/Suzuki but maybe even worse. VW can only win if there is no competition and I doubt there will be no competition. I think the Mini WRC will win more WRC victories before any future VWCar.

Why wouldn't they succeed? They have great resources and a vast experience in off-road motorsport. I also think Kris Nissen is a good team manager. Plus they've won the Dakar twice in recent years, so they know what succes is. Unlike VW, Hyundai (MSD) never really got the factory support they needed, more or less the same for Suzuki, which looked more like a one-off dream for Monster Tajima that only lasted a year.

[Fide]

I viewed some comments saying this guy is old the other one too, etc. etc. BUT I recall you Sainz were in this business till his 41s..... And after retired It was called again to help Frequelin................. Then Solberg 36 is not a problem.

[tmx]

As much as Henning is happy with the new Fiesta, I think he should seek out one of these new team and possibly be the lead driver.

[janvanvurpa]

What, because there German?



Why wouldn't they succeed? They have great resources and a vast experience in off-road motorsport. I also think Kris Nissen is a good team manager. Plus they've won the Dakar twice in recent years, so they know what succes is. Unlike VW, Hyundai (MSD) never really got the factory support they needed, more or less the same for Suzuki, which looked more like a one-off dream for Monster Tajima that only lasted a year.


Josti, for a longer, more nuanced, and soico-/cultural view looking back search for an old post by me about this.

It was based on personal experience with World championship level German riders in the sport I did: International moto-cross, but referenced the history of VW, Opel, Audi and poor little Skoda in Rally and specifically rally on loose surfaces..
I am proud to say a man with years of direct experience---and employment at WRC level---who I think you would readily admit might possibly have more experience than either you or me, (I have only started in one WRC rally) quoted the entire post and said one word, something to the effect of "perfect".

That man was Pentti Airikala

[Sulland]

My guess is Grønholm and Østberg as drivers for the first year !

[N.O.T]

the debut will be in May next year.

[Tomi]

Bosse was this week in England, negotiating about the contract with Prodrive, but nothing is signed yet, at least not officially.

[JFL]

http://www.bilnorge.no/export/b_36119.jpeg
Don't know if it's been posted.. Sorry if it has.. ;)

[Motorsportfun]

Unlike VW, Hyundai (MSD) never really got the factory support they needed, more or less the same for Suzuki, which looked more like a one-off dream for Monster Tajima that only lasted a year.

Totally agree.

That's correct: Hyundai didn't have a strong factory support, and the same for Suzuki (which cut the budget more than once, PG Andersson paid all the season except the first two rounds!).

;)

[snellman]

the fact that they plan to win the title in 3 years time shows at least a level of dedication, nomatter how it ends...hope they manage reasonable results and stay then...
are you ill?

[N.O.T]

only mentally....

[JAM]

You asked, And what better? Stop or go to work with Prodrive?

Yes, if Mini would want him, then he has two options: Stop or go to there. For what i know, his personal team is struglin and will not have a third WRC season.

Don't forget IF... because we are all talking in conditional

[navtheace]

Still no news on http://www.mini.co.uk or http://www.mini.com

Is this another Ford M-Sport arangement where it's M Sport who make it happen with Ford not bothered too much.

[Mintexmemory]

PG and Mikkelsen are the fastest drivers out there without a seat at the moment IMHO

If you want young talents, then Lindroos and Tänak will be my first choices. They don't have much experience yet, but both are blindingly fast out from the box.

I don't know the background but MM returning to rallying in Estonia recently and his previous testing link with Prodrive might not be entirely coincidental

[cali]

I don't know the background but MM returning to rallying in Estonia recently and his previous testing link with Prodrive might not be entirely coincidental

Problably Markko will never drive WRC rally again, but he might help Tänak to get a seat.

[grugsticles]

Oh how Id LOVE for there to be something there!
Marco has, or at least did have, the speed to match Loeb so it would be interesting to see if the bug has finally bitten him.

[Tom206wrc]

Prodrive/Mini would be very unwise to just look at British drivers as there are many drivers out there of other nationalities who would be quite cheap and have good experience and speed.
I suspect things like verbal communication, lifestyle, and team chemistry are Richards main reasons for looking for someone of his own nationality.

For example, Atkinson, Anderson, Duval are all perfect selections.
Hell, if they really want to get serious they will hire all 3 and in no time their car will come up to speed if they are willing to put the money in.


Dudu ??? Sorry but Prodrive shouldn't have budget for new carrosserie parts on an entire WRC season :laugh:

[Tom206wrc]

Early indication shows that factory support from BMW may be rather limited. I haven't noticed the WRC announcement on any BMW/Mini sites, only on Prodrive's own site.

One good thing is that the engine is coming from BMW Motorsport. So I don't expect SX4-like engine problems.


Same engine as the Citroën DS3 WRC too :p :

[Xsara Fan]

Problably Markko will never drive WRC rally again, but he might help Tänak to get a seat.

AFAIK Tanak want a seat at 2011 Ford Junior Team.

[Hartusvuori]

Problably Markko will never drive WRC rally again, but he might help Tänak to get a seat.


AFAIK Tanak want a seat at 2011 Ford Junior Team.

Markko was today at Ford's slot in NORF service park. Funny how only seven years ago he won this very event, and now he blended in to the crowd like any other guy.

[Xsara Fan]

Markko was today at Ford's slot in NORF service park. Funny how only seven years ago he won this very event, and now he blended in to the crowd like any other guy.

At 51 he will start again ;) With 'Neste oil' livery...

[Sulland]

If they want a GB man in the Mini, who should they go for ?

[Walach]

Surely Meeke

[jbmarcus21]

Surely Meeke

Meeke wants to stay in Peugeot UK ... http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/meeke_keen_on_staying_put_in_irc_with_peugeot/

[Mirek]

Same engine as the Citroën DS3 WRC too :p :

No, it isn't., You're right that stock 1.6T of PSA/BMW is joint venture but that applies only for stock engine and not racing variants. Also the engine is used only in DS3 R3T. According to Quesnel they used specially from scratch designed racing unit for WRC.

[tmx]

http://www.bilnorge.no/export/b_36119.jpeg
Don't know if it's been posted.. Sorry if it has.. ;)

Total Rally said an insider told them the real Mini rally car doesn't look anything like that pic. They also found it funny the tires in that pic has BF Goodrich written on it.

[Mirek]

Maybe it looks different but that picture is from official Prodrive website: http://www.prodrive.com/gallery.html

What is so strange on BFG? There are no single tyres next year...

[JFL]

I think it looks pretty cool.. Not that it matters, but still.. ;)

[noel157]

Meeke wants to stay in Peugeot UK ... http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/meeke_keen_on_staying_put_in_irc_with_peugeot/

Not quite, all he says is that he is focused on trying to retain his title, nothing about next year other than lots of things are happening in the WRC.

"Speaking to iRally, Meeke said: “At the moment I’ve a big enough job on my hands trying to retain the title. All my efforts, all my focus is on that at the moment. Obviously next year lots of things are happening in the WRC, but for me the IRC is the place to be at the moment. I’m very happy where I am with Peugeot – it’s a fantastic effort by Peugeot UK.”

[Allar]

if i saw this pic then first thing i noticed was BFG :D and then the looks of the car, what was quite similar to cars i made in Need for Speed when i was a kid :D no high-tech wings and sh*t.

[bubbaontour]

You lot are unbelievable!!!!

[Mise]

If they want a GB man in the Mini, who should they go for ?

A young Brit who has international experience, has
testing and developing experience from two new cars?

My god, it's Matthew Wilson. :D :rolleyes: :eek:

[Wasted Talent]

A young Brit who has international experience, has
testing and developing experience from two new cars?

My god, it's Matthew Wilson. :D :rolleyes: :eek:

Kris Meeke then - he has development experience and has actually won at international level

WT

[Allar]

http://www.maxrally.com/features/entry/top_10_rising_stars_of_world_rallying/

[Maui J.]

http://www.maxrally.com/features/entry/top_10_rising_stars_of_world_rallying/

Definitely Nikara and Tanak. Not sure of the others yet. I would add Mikkelson to that list as well.

[pettersolberg29]

Mikkelsen has very strong links to M-Sport though, so while I agree he's a great prospect, he won't join Mini. Nikara looks like a great driver too.

[MrJan]

If they want a Brit and Meeke doesn't want the gig then surely it's got to be Guy Wilks? I'm confident that Wilks could do a better job than Matt Wilson.

[N.O.T]

My god...that list radiates disaster...hope richards is better than this at selecting drivers. This list should include the drivers for the customer cars and then we see what they can do.

[HaCo]

In the latest issue of GP Week, there's an article about the Mini entry in WRC.

Apparently BMW only gave his 'GO' for an S2000 homologation (with 1.6turbo motor). To enter the WRC, you need a full works commitment from a registered manufacture, so until BMW commits for a real WRC entry there will 'only' be an S2000 version of the car.
http://mag.gpweek.com/?startpage=46&iid=38927

Consider that the FIA is planning only to allow 2.0l NA S2000 cars in SWRC, where will the Mini score points? What if BMW will never go for a real works commitment?

Maybe IRC is a better place for the MINI: Monte Carlo :)

[navtheace]

Then MINI themselves can rally the Cooper S in the 1.6 Turbo FWD class called R3.

Better for the sport as it will be a car on the stages that people will buy from the showroom.

[Xsara Fan]

http://www.maxrally.com/features/entry/top_10_rising_stars_of_world_rallying/

AFAIK Mini choose 2 drivers not from this list & not Brit.

[Addicted]

What is the point of that list? Most of those guys are nobodys and some of them dont even have gravel experience and still they are nominated top10 rising stars. Tänak, Neuville and Nikara have some potential and maybe Abbring.

[Allar]

Evrybody is a nobody in the beginning

[Red bull]

get ketoma,ratanen,meek,nikara,PG,wilks and enter them in 3 wrc rounds in WRC cars,at the end you will have discovered the future world rally champion. :rolleyes: :D

[Koppomsbo]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=no&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vf.se%2Fsport%2Fbilsport%2Fp-g-andersson-efter-motet-hos-prodrive-bollen-hos-mig

[Tomi]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=no&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vf.se%2Fsport%2Fbilsport%2Fp-g-andersson-efter-motet-hos-prodrive-bollen-hos-mig

Nice so now its up to him to get a test drive, lets hope it goes well.

[turves]

I'd like to see Alastair Fisher given a test at least.

[Tomi]

I'd like to see Alastair Fisher given a test at least.

You can be sure that they will test many drivers, and has tested already many.

[modri dirkac]

Maybe IRC is a better place for the MINI: Monte Carlo

Good one, HaCo. :D
But if you know the history, it's a possibility. ;)

[gravelman]

I'd like to see Alastair Fisher given a test at least.

Might not be a bad punt. There is serious backing behind Alastair, and there is great history and relationship between DR and the Fisher family. Would also satisfy DRR's hopes for an Irish/ British young driver

[turves]

Might not be a bad punt. There is serious backing behind Alastair, and there is great history and relationship between DR and the Fisher family. Would also satisfy DRR's hopes for an Irish/ British young driver

Precisely. Plus, Eire has been a massive market for Prodrive over the years, and with the kind of roads in the country the mini looks like it'll be pretty nimble.

[Xsara Fan]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=no&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vf.se%2Fsport%2Fbilsport%2Fp-g-andersson-efter-motet-hos-prodrive-bollen-hos-mig

Yes, PG is one of the two future Mini`s drivers.

[pettersolberg29]

How certain are you? I think it's a good call for Mini as PG is experienced, yet also still has potential to succeed more than he has so far. Ostberg or Mikkelsen would be good in the 2nd seat perhaps?

[N.O.T]

Might not be a bad punt. There is serious backing behind Alastair, and there is great history and relationship between DR and the Fisher family. Would also satisfy DRR's hopes for an Irish/ British young driver

Alister fisher......ok.....anyone else that hasn't achieved anything in his life that can quilify ?

[turves]

Alister fisher......ok.....anyone else that hasn't achieved anything in his life that can quilify ?

You?

[N.O.T]

my chances are as good as the guy you mentioned....

[Pinto]

Talk on the irish forums is Eammon Bolland has placed an order for a mini

[Pinto]

Alister fisher......ok.....anyone else that hasn't achieved anything in his life that can quilify ?

Ill Pass on Ali's number to you and you can ring him personally and insult him to his face you clown
your a great man to hide behind a pc and slag and insult people please tell me what have you done in rallying world that gives you the right to knock guys that are actually doing international championships

[N.O.T]

Ill Pass on Ali's number to you and you can ring him personally and insult him to his face you clown
your a great man to hide behind a pc and slag and insult people please tell me what have you done in rallying world that gives you the right to knock guys that are actually doing international championships

why is an insult to speak the truth ???

has he done anything worth mentioning so far in order mini to pick him up ?
I really don't even heard of the guy so please enlighten me with his achievments that justify he is capable of driving in the hieghest level and then i will personally call him and apologise....

just because a person is our friend/neighbour/countryman ects doesn't mean he is good enough. so don't get upset please.

[Red bull]

Yes N.O.T thats a fact and a good point. :rolleyes:

[noel157]

In this rare case I think NOT is correct. Nice guy Fisher but I don't think he's shown anything that merits a works drive, same as those that think Cronin is a suitable candidate, neither have any international experience or shown to be adaptable to different cars and different formulae. Maybe they will at one stage, they're both young enough but at present nothing more than good national drivers.

[Tomi]

If the car shows any potential after the first tests, Grönholm propably will take the role as developer.
The second guy will propably be some younger driver with experience from WRC events, who also can win rallies and have good sponsors, there is not so many of those, that counts some drivers out already.

[Mirek]

In this rare case I think NOT is correct. Nice guy Fisher but I don't think he's shown anything that merits a works drive, same as those that think Cronin is a suitable candidate, neither have any international experience or shown to be adaptable to different cars and different formulae. Maybe they will at one stage, they're both young enough but at present nothing more than good national drivers.

Keith Cronin can show what he's capable of on international scene in Barum Rally. He is driving Proton S2000 there! It isn't top car but the bigger is the challenge.

[N.O.T]

i think my neighbour is also a potential candidate she is 96 years old but she still drives and she hasn't killed anything in over a week now....at least she deserves a test if not a developers seat.

jokers with stupid suggestions and jokes apart i think mini should build on 2 drivers 1 with some experience at the top level and 1 that has the flare to develop but who of course has proven that he can at least win agaist competition.

[N.O.T]

]Keith Cronin can show what he's capable of on international scene in Barum Rally. He is driving Proton S2000 there! It isn't top car but the bigger is the challenge.

if he is in the top 15 on stage times it would be good.

[Rallyper]

i think my neighbour is also a potential candidate she is 96 years old but she still drives and she hasn't killed anything in over a week now....at least she deserves a test if not a developers seat.

jokers with stupid suggestions and jokes apart i think mini should build on 2 drivers 1 with some experience at the top level and 1 that has the flare to develop but who of course has proven that he can at least win agaist competition.

:up:

[Xsara Fan]

How certain are you? I think it's a good call for Mini as PG is experienced, yet also still has potential to succeed more than he has so far. Ostberg or Mikkelsen would be good in the 2nd seat perhaps?

Not Ostberg ;)

[turves]

I suggested Fisher because he's quite often out-pacing current WRC cars in a Production Car. The point is, Colin McRae hadn't achieved anything when Prodrive hired him to drive the Legacy way back when, and look how that story went. I'm not saying give him a seat, I'm saying I would like to see his name in the hat for a test, whats the problem with that?

[noel157]

I suggested Fisher because he's quite often out-pacing current WRC cars in a Production Car. The point is, Colin McRae hadn't achieved anything when Prodrive hired him to drive the Legacy way back when, and look how that story went. I'm not saying give him a seat, I'm saying I would like to see his name in the hat for a test, whats the problem with that?

Hadn't achieved anything? 5th in a Sierra in Rally NZ wasn't too bad as well running in the top 10 in Sweden that season. Think there were a few British Championship wins too before joining the Ford/RED works team the following year and then joining Prodrive. And that was in the days when there was plenty of opposition in the WRC.

IMO drivers have to prove themselves outside the comfort zone of their local championship before progressing.

[peespeed]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned Niall McShea, with a bit of testing and a few rally miles under his belt he'd be more than a match for anyone

[sal]

Very illuminating interview with DR in this months Evo magazine in the UK where he talks about how much a season the campaign will cost for Mini(£15million per year as opposed to £30million in 05 for Subaru), the deal for privateers buying a car and the profile of the driver(s) Prodrive and Mini are looking for the works seats...

[m.lowe]

I reckon David Bogie will get one for the BRC

[N.O.T]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned Niall McShea, with a bit of testing and a few rally miles under his belt he'd be more than a match for anyone

Do you guys from ireland/GB live in an alternate universe of some short and once in a while have these "interesting" ideas ???

[Tomi]

Do you guys from ireland/GB live in an alternate universe of some short and once in a while have these "interesting" ideas ???

Agree, I think its a very limited group of drivers who have a chance for the seat, PG, Atkinson, Sordo of those who has more WRC experience, and then maybe 3-4 others who has showed that they have potential.

[sal]

DR from the same article I have mentioned:

"While it would be nice to have a Britsh driver, we decide who the drivers should be as we are accountable for getting results. But we want drivers with personality, a bit more outspoken, a bit more edgy and a bit more proactive as this will suit the Mini brand. We need good personalities to get the UK media interested again and I'm hoping we will be able to announce our first signings by the end of September".

Edgy with a personality eh?! That counts out 90% of the robots around at the mo. Best fit if that is the criteria is Guy Wilks and Novikov! You cant get more edgy than that duo.

[grugsticles]

Sounds like DR is looking for the new McRae - a driver who has that flare and grabs the love and attention of rally fans.

[Barreis]

I agree..

[Tomi]

DR from the same article I have mentioned:

"While it would be nice to have a Britsh driver, we decide who the drivers should be as we are accountable for getting results. But we want drivers with personality, a bit more outspoken, a bit more edgy and a bit more proactive as this will suit the Mini brand. We need good personalities to get the UK media interested again and I'm hoping we will be able to announce our first signings by the end of September".

Edgy with a personality eh?! That counts out 90% of the robots around at the mo. Best fit if that is the criteria is Guy Wilks and Novikov! You cant get more edgy than that duo.

A bit strange thinking, to put drivers personality ahead of skill, skill should be first and if there is any personality it would be a bonus in my opinion.
Looks like he has not learned anything from the past, soon he has to bring back the female mechanics again to get some attention to the press, when the drivers cant deliver anything else but jokes and funny faces.

[N.O.T]

I guess Richards thinks that rallying is about getting the attention of 16 year old boys....good luck with staying in the sport for more than a full year.

I never really understood why the clown aspect of a rally driver or a motorsport driver in general is a plus.

[ShiftingGears]

I guess Richards thinks that rallying is about getting the attention of 16 year old boys....good luck with staying in the sport for more than a full year.

I never really understood why the clown aspect of a rally driver or a motorsport driver in general is a plus.

Well he's right on one thing. Rallying needs attention.

We have Ogier who has broken through as a winner this season, and noone outside rally fans knows who he is.

Probably not the most enticing investment for sponsors.

[Maui J.]

I never really understood why the clown aspect of a rally driver or a motorsport driver in general is a plus.

It's not a clown he wants but someone who the masses can relate to.
A driver's job is two-fold. A driver of course but also a sales rep. They are employed to sell the product, a spokesperson for the manufacturer, it's tyres and other sponsors.

Colin McRae was a great ambassador for Subaru.
Downunder, Possum Bourne did wonders for that brand as well. Not only did he win rallies, but he had such a strong positive personality that he become a household name in this country, and because of him Subaru enjoyed a strong share of the market.

When a team finds a fast driver with a good personality it's a great asset to the manufacturer. Solberg is another that fits that mould.

[Allyc85]

I reckon David Bogie will get one for the BRC

Will the Mini WRC even be eligible for the BRC against the Group N cars?

[Mirek]

I'm not absolutely sure but at least the Super production variant (S2000 with 1.6T) should be allowed everywhere. The question is also since when...

[Barreis]

FIA said that 1.6T will be allowed everywhere..

[emk]

"Will be allowed" doesn't mean you could get championship points. If championship rules say that cars fighting for the glory are group n cars then it's simple.

For exemple in Finland FRC class 1 is Gr.N & S2000 4WD, I can't imagine they would allow 1.6T WRC's... But 1.6T will surely be allowed to drive in another class (as current WRC's are now) outside the championship.

[Tomi]

Well he's right on one thing. Rallying needs attention.

We have Ogier who has broken through as a winner this season, and noone outside rally fans knows who he is.

Probably not the most enticing investment for sponsors.

Sure rallying needs attention, and im sure it will get some too, after all its a marginal sport compaired to many other motorsports so it gets what it deserves, and the attention varies much in different countries aswell i belive.
There was an interview with Ogiers manager a little before 1000 lakes, he did not complaine anything about some difficulties to find sponsors.

[m.lowe]

I hope for one that not only the cars in the WRC will be good to watch, but the importers will start running teams again in their championships in their countries

[janvanvurpa]

I guess Richards thinks that rallying is about getting the attention of 16 year old boys....good luck with staying in the sport for more than a full year.

I never really understood why the clown aspect of a rally driver or a motorsport driver in general is a plus.


Once again I must strongly disagree with you.


It's the attention of 14 year old boys that Richards and the Blockies of the world think is so vital.

[sal]

A bit strange thinking, to put drivers personality ahead of skill, skill should be first and if there is any personality it would be a bonus in my opinion.
Looks like he has not learned anything from the past, soon he has to bring back the female mechanics again to get some attention to the press, when the drivers cant deliver anything else but jokes and funny faces.

Even Finns (well some of them like Markku Alen and Ari) had a public persona almost bigger than their driving ability! These were guys you could rely on to come out with something memorable in interviews or to the fans at service parks, but also whilst driving the door handles off anything they sat in. I couldnt see anywhere where DR (and I'm hardly his biggest fan) states the candidates wont need skill however compared to the wet fish we have in the sport at the moment with PR people making sure they brush their teeth every morning, anything has got to be better than nothing.

The mercurial Mr Loeb is a great driver regardless of how much competition he's had in recent years and his achievements will likely never be topped however what has he done to broaden his appeal other than grow his hair slightly longer and have a bit of facial fuzz every now and then ?!! Compare that to the likes of Colin who would think nothing about driving his car up ski slope in Sweden (spotaneously I may add and not at the behest of a sponsor) or some other crazy stunt. He was a guy who's name and persona were pretty big and he was as well known amongst people who had never seen him drive as those that had.

As much as we may hate or try to deny it the world is looking for different things from it's sporting idols these days. Look at who the new drivers (Pastrami and Blockhead) from what is seen as the WRC's new holy grail the USA name check it's Colin for his driving style but also his persona and approach to life i.e. full on not Seb for his personal grooming.

[sal]

Will the Mini WRC even be eligible for the BRC against the Group N cars?

Highly unlikley as the current management couldnt wait to get rid of the last generation of WRC cars from the British championship!

[sal]

Oh forgot to mention DR quoted the price of a Mini WRC to privateers will be £345,000 to include a two year warranty, a dedicated engineer at all events and the same BMW motorsport engine and Getrag gearbox as the works cars... No five year free servicing pack as per the road car then David?!!

[Tomi]

As much as we may hate or try to deny it the world is looking for different things from it's sporting idols these days. Look at who the new drivers (Pastrami and Blockhead) from what is seen as the WRC's new holy grail the USA name check it's Colin for his driving style but also his persona and approach to life i.e. full on not Seb for his personal grooming.

The world maybe do, but this is still a sport and the achivements is that counts, whatever you do in marketing really dont make you a better driver, I have no problems with Loeb and have never had, I rate him very high, over Sainz, Kankku and Mäkinen but personalities are different, and whatever he does except driving is of no interest to me, im interested in rally as a sport only, and if teams start to choose drivers on other grounds but skill then it is the sport who loose.

[sal]

im interested in rally as a sport only, and if teams start to choose drivers on other grounds but skill then it is the sport who loose.

Some of the teams have already been choosing their drivers on who can bring money or backing with them rather than talent or personality though in the last few years the same as in any form of motorsport!

I'm with you most of the way and would prefer that the driving does the talking however as an old fart probably my all time rally hero is the late Tony Pond, who could drive like hell but was the sort of guy who could have a prize presentation in fits of laughter with his wit and sense of humour. I couldnt see Mikko for example, nice guy that he is, being able to carry that off and it's not just because I dont speak Finnish that I'm saying that!

[Barreis]

I don't know why sould they choose PG Andersson. I still remember that Hungarian that humiliated him in few years old 307 (never heard for that driver before) in Bulgaria.. Only if he pays for a drive..

[AMSS]

Hello

Does anybody btw know what suspension they use for the Mini?

[OldF]

Oh forgot to mention DR quoted the price of a Mini WRC to privateers will be £345,000 to include a two year warranty, a dedicated engineer at all events and the same BMW motorsport engine and Getrag gearbox as the works cars... No five year free servicing pack as per the road car then David?!!

Do you know if this Getrag gearbox has an active or a mechanical centre differential?

[Mirek]

First prototype of Mini WRC in testing in Czech republic :D

http://emk.cz/wp-content/myfotos/10_brcko_walasska_rallysou_evo5_30/04.jpg

[noel157]

Nice spy shot Mirek, wonder who the test driver is?

[A.F.F.]

Nice spy shot Mirek, wonder who the test driver is?

Timo Mäkinen ;)

[noel157]

Timo Mäkinen ;)

Not so sure, could be Paddy Hopkirk?

[Allar]

http://translate.google.ee/translate?hl=et&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ts.fi%2Ff1%2Fuutiset%2F155559.h tml

[Tomi]

http://translate.google.ee/translate?hl=et&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ts.fi%2Ff1%2Fuutiset%2F155559.h tml

Good luck, would be good if they sign Sordo, for both parts.

[N.O.T]

hmmm very interesting choice... but do they have the money to bring him to the team??

[Barreis]

Couldn't be better for mini - Gronholm/Martin - peugeot pair..

[N.O.T]

LOL...yes perfect.

[Viking]

Not interested, says Petter.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dagbladet.no%2F2010%2F08%2F26%2 Fsport%2Fpetter_solberg%2Frally%2Fmotorsport%2Fral ly-vm%2F13126641%2F&sl=no&tl=en

[COD]

Couldn't be better for mini - Gronholm/Martin - peugeot pair..

Two drivers who have not competed actively in years, Good drivers for testing and developing the car at the beginning but to compete.... Not a good idea....

[Xsara Fan]

Two drivers who have not competed actively in years, Good drivers for testing and developing the car at the beginning but to compete.... Not a good idea....

OMG. Could anyone tell me WHY Martin is a 'good driver for testing'?

[Tomi]

OMG. Could anyone tell me WHY Martin is a 'good driver for testing'?

he did that for years at ford, can you tell why he would not be?

[Barreis]

8 wins.. That's why..

[N.O.T]

bugalski is good for testing..kresta is good for testing also.

there is a difference between knowing what needs to be done to the CAR to go faster and know what to do with yourself to go faster.

[pettersolberg29]

TotalRally saying on Facebook that PG has signed for Mini, and his SWRC team is looking for a new driver for France.

[Xsara Fan]

he did that for years at ford, can you tell why he would not be?

And what? He did that with Subaru Impreza S14 - he was the main test-driver. Was it good car? I don`t think so.

[cali]

And what? He did that with Subaru Impreza S14 - he was the main test-driver. Was it good car? I don`t think so.
Have you forgot Focus 03 which was completely built according to his wishes, while S14 was already built/designed with issues.

[mm1]

I wanted to post this, but wasn`t sure. I alos thought that he was brought in the testing program when the car allready was underperforming like the last chance to make the car competitive. And then Subaru pulled out...

[N.O.T]

And what? He did that with Subaru Impreza S14 - he was the main test-driver. Was it good car? I don`t think so.

i think you need a few things more than a good test driver to produce a good car.

[Tomi]

And what? He did that with Subaru Impreza S14 - he was the main test-driver. Was it good car? I don`t think so.

Lol, thats a different thing, same like that a Lada will never become a good car who ever would drive it.
But do you think they should have choosed Markko if they would have tought that he did a bad job with the Subaru or with the Ford?

[Xsara Fan]

Lol, thats a different thing, same like that a Lada will never become a good car who ever would drive it.
But do you think they should have choosed Markko if they would have tought that he did a bad job with the Subaru or with the Ford?

I know that Mini will not choose MM. That`s all.

[Tomi]

I know that Mini will not choose MM. That`s all.
choose for what, testdriver?

[Xsara Fan]

choose for what, testdriver?

For the main driver. As a test-driver? Ok, let them try. At least at the first season it`s not a huge problem. But if I was at Richards place, I`ll try to buy Citroen`s test-driver. For example Juuso Pykalisto. AFAIK he is without any contract now and Citroen`s specialists said to me that 'He is a very good test-driver'. Take a look at Citroen C4 WRC - this car was 'made' by Bugalski & Pykalisto.

[Tomi]

For the main driver. As a test-driver? Ok, let them try. At least at the first season it`s not a huge problem. But if I was at Richards place, I`ll try to buy Citroen`s test-driver. For example Juuso Pykalisto. AFAIK he is without any contract now and Citroen`s specialists said to me that 'He is a very good test-driver'. Take a look at Citroen C4 WRC - this car was 'made' by Bugalski & Pykalisto.

It does not make any different, because what Pykäkistö knows about cars he has learned from Grönholm, and if the car has any potential, he will be the other testdriver.
I dont think that anyone seriously belive that Märtin would be anyone of the maindrivers, but if they are that serious as they claim, there is not so many drivers to choose from maybe 3-4 younger (around 30) who has WRC experience and potential.

[Micke_VOC]

TotalRally saying on Facebook that PG has signed for Mini, and his SWRC team is looking for a new driver for France.

But isn't the contract for 2011 ? Why not drive swrc this year?

Maybe its Ford ? In a interview in a Swedish newspaper PG told that if he can drive a Stobart Ford on some events later this year he will drop Swrc..

[noel157]

But isn't the contract for 2011 ? Why not drive swrc this year?

Maybe its Ford ? In a interview in a Swedish newspaper PG told that if he can drive a Stobart Ford on some events later this year he will drop Swrc..

Exactly, Ford could well be the reason or perhaps another team.......

If I were DR I would pick Gronholm, assuming he wants the seat, which I assume he does.

[jbmarcus21]

yes but Marcus doesn't want full season

[mm1]

And Mini isn`t doing a full season.

[jbmarcus21]

And Mini isn`t doing a full season.

yes !! ;) ..

[OldF]

For example Juuso Pykalisto. AFAIK he is without any contract now and Citroen`s specialists said to me that 'He is a very good test-driver'. Take a look at Citroen C4 WRC - this car was 'made' by Bugalski & Pykalisto.

I think Juuso Pykälistö would be a good test driver. For example when was doing a test drive with the Fiesta R2, on the first run he said it was very difficult to control in slow corners. The reason for that revealed to be that the rear wheels had about 2 cm bigger diameters compared to the front wheels. They’ve (the owner of the car) had replaced the rear wheels because of a damaged rim. When they replaced the front wheels to same as the rear wheels, Juuso said that it was totally different car. He’s also giving good analysis what he would change on the cars he’s been testing.

[noel157]

Team is starting to shape up:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86310

Meeke and Marcus and maybe PG at a later stage would be a good combination.

[mm1]

That`s a good one!

[Francis44]

Text in Portugal?! Good choice ;) .

And Meeke a good choice for driver aswell.

[N.O.T]

very nice choice of drivers...hope the car doesn't dissapoint.

[noel157]

Text in Portugal?! Good choice ;) .

And Meeke a good choice for driver aswell.

Francis, make sure you find out where the test is and keep us up to date.

[Francis44]

Ok if they are really going to test here I expect local media to say something in the next few days.

[noel157]

Ok if they are really going to test here I expect local media to say something in the next few days.

Good point, perhaps by mentioning Portugal they may mean Spain or South of France. We shall see, somebody is bound to know.

[jbmarcus21]

Go Marcus !!! Enjoy for the future !!!!!!!

[noel157]

JB, did Gronholm take over Michelin testing from Sarrazin this week in the South of France?

[Tomi]

JB, did Gronholm take over Michelin testing from Sarrazin this week in the South of France?

not jb, but yes

[bt52b]

Portugal test confirmed
http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/gronholm_to_test_mini_countryman_wrc_in_portugal/

[jbmarcus21]

JB, did Gronholm take over Michelin testing from Sarrazin this week in the South of France?

think it is not true ;) .. false info from Auto Hebdo ;)