Official Rally Mexico Thread

[Xeroid]

they will broadcast the SSS on ESPN2 (The latinamerican version of the channel)

I'm getting my DVD recorder ready :D

We don't get that down New Zealand way. Only some editted highlights of about half an hour later on in the evening. So got to manage with live stream, better than nothing though .. and free

Post some good clips

[PuddleJumper]

Marcus concedes defeat already:
"The last three group it was not so bad but I was still losing a lot of time. I can't do so very much , I am very low in the classification, I cannot win the rally."

[Captain VXR]

pooor petter!

i am soo sorry for him...he dont deserves this...


regards

wrc1

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ;(

[PuddleJumper]

As much as it's a shame for Petter to go out on the first day of the rally, it is encouraging that he retired from the lead position because it means the car has the necessary speed to lead again. With a new car it's always difficult to know if everything is going to hold together when you start punishing it under the full stress of an event. Let's hope the Subaru engineers can fix whatever broke and give Petter some more miles on the stages tomorrow.

[A.F.F.]

As much as it's a shame for Petter to go out on the first day of the rally, it is encouraging that he retired from the lead position because it means the car has the necessary speed to lead again. With a new car it's always difficult to know if everything is going to hold together when you start punishing it under the full stress of an event. Let's hope the Subaru engineers can fix whatever broke and give Petter some more miles on the stages tomorrow.

Exactly. Now test test and test again.

[N.O.T]

Shame ...a great performance so far...Atko a strong 2nd for the moment though.

[Tom206wrc]

I guessed the Subaru wouldn't mechanically last during the pace(as many new cars) :mark:

[A.F.F.]

What happened to Kristian Sohlberg? He lost awful amount of time there on sixth stage.

[leno]

petter is realy born under unlucky star :(

[White Sauron]

Shame ...a great performance so far...Atko a strong 2nd for the moment though.

STRONG 2nd?) hahahaha)

[SubaruNorway]

STRONG 2nd?) hahahaha)


Stronger than Mikko and Sordo wich you where so impressed about

[N.O.T]

Yes...didn't notice Hirvonen was that close...sorry.

By the way whats wrong with groonholm ...2nd consecutive rally that gets a beating like a sick dog from his team mate.

[White Sauron]

Stronger than Mikko and Sordo wich you where so impressed about

Look at Mikko's and Chris' road positions and then at what Mikko's performing: he's very close to Loeb!

[jparker]

I have the feeling that Henning will score some points again.

[Addicted]

What happened to Perez Companc?

[jparker]

Look at Mikko's and Chris' road positions and then at what Mikko's performing: he's very close to Loeb!

I think it's fare to say, they are all close to each other.

[jonas_mcrae]

poor petter

[bt52b]

What happened to Perez Companc?

Broke suspension on ss1

"Reported to have stopped in the stage with broken suspension and will not be able to continue for the rest of the leg, although a team spokesman confirmed that the Argentinean will restart on Saturday."

[Roy]

Yes...didn't notice Hirvonen was that close...sorry.

By the way whats wrong with groonholm ...2nd consecutive rally that gets a beating like a sick dog from his team mate.

- Wrong tires?
- Wrong set up?
- He is getting old? (No, Grandpa Stohl is driving fast too)
- Other problem?

- Or... Where is the angry and passion we see him at Norway? Is it gone?

[SubaruNorway]

It's unsertain how much damage there is to the engine and if Petter can restart tomorow we will know more in about 30 i think

[White Sauron]

- Wrong tires?
- Wrong set up?
- He is getting old? (No, Grandpa Stohl is driving fast too)
- Other problem?

- Or... Where is the angry and passion we see him at Norway? Is it gone?

Maybe he wants Loeb to open the road in Portugal?)_))

[jparker]

Yes...didn't notice Hirvonen was that close...sorry.

By the way whats wrong with groonholm ...2nd consecutive rally that gets a beating like a sick dog from his team mate.

He got Norwegian fly, also know as "pride depression" :)

[Addicted]

We`re having interesting rally. Many close fights in top8, PWRC also having nice duels on top positions and also some dramasince the beginning of the rally (both Solbergs, Perez Companc, Al Attiyah)

[N.O.T]

The fact that Gronholm is slower than stohl shows that there is something wrong with the car....its normal not be as as fast as the big boys but slower than stohl ???

[jens]

Damn. I'm afraid something will happen to Chris as well. :(

Citroen and Ford have won all the WRC rallies since France 2005 and this trend seems to continue...

[jparker]

Maybe he wants Loeb to open the road in Portugal?)_))
So, he decided to loose 10 points in Mexico, so he can have better starting position in Portugal?!?!?! It sounds like loosing tactic to me.

[White Sauron]

The fact that Gronholm is slower than stohl shows that there is something wrong with the car....its normal not be as as fast as the big boys but slower than stohl ???

Marcus says it's all ok with the car. Bad starting position plus bad tyre choice and there he is...

[WRC2006]

It's unsertain how much damage there is to the engine and if Petter can restart tomorow we will know more in about 30 i think

I told you man. I was wondering about that pace of Petter.

[Xeroid]

Super stage vid stream, anyone got a link, dooesn't seem to be on the rally mex site.

[KKS]

Who has WRC+ you see video from SSS?

[SubaruNorway]

should be on here tough? http://www.wrc.com/page/LiveStage/0,,10111,00.html

[Xeroid]

Was supposed to be a free stream somewhere as part of the promo ...damn, by time I find it the SSS will be over.

[aivan]

Hi all..

A different rally so far.
Nice to see the Subarus up there... let's see if Atko's car holds on.

Also nice to see Sordo perform again... N.O.T... I've seen you've really enjoyed that fact aswell :D

Still a lot of rally left. I won't rule Bosse out yet.
Mikko's season looks really promising so far.

Any link for SSS?

[Roy]

Marcus after SS7:
"In the morning i was sweeping, in the afternoon I was sleeping."

This quote is GOLD!!!

[WRC2006]

Marcus after SS7:
"In the morning i was sweeping, in the afternoon I was sleeping."

This quote is GOLD!!!

Oh my God!!!!! I love this Guy really!!!!!!

[WRC2006]

Marcus is a fantastic Guy really!!!!!!!

[Lousada]

Matt Wilson 8th, yeah baby! :hot: With this retirement rate he might even snatch a few more points.

[aivan]

:up: Marcus :up:

Quotes & Rally God!!!!

[WRC2006]

The kid is growing now!!

[aivan]

Video from friday here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxkwmaJwuU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eforocoches%2Ecom%2Fforo%2F showthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D571618%26page%3D8)


7 LATVALA Ford 01:23:17.2 +01:28.9
8 WILSON Ford 01:25:55.8 +04:07.5

Amazing... :eek:

[aivan]

The video features Henning's roll...

[N.O.T]

Someone must make a highlight video with those quotes....he must be the wittiest man ever in the WRC

[Xeroid]

Damn..lost the vid connection to the service park, too many people logged on so can't see nothing now ..

[A.F.F.]

Matt Wilson 8th, yeah baby! :hot: With this retirement rate he might even snatch a few more points.


With this retirement rate I could snatch a few points. And I'm nowhere near Mexico ;)

[WRC2006]

Someone must make a highlight video with those quotes....he must be the wittiest man ever in the WRC

God idea!!! But this was a Gold one That I have never heared!!!!

[A.F.F.]

Video from friday here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjxkwmaJwuU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eforocoches%2Ecom%2Fforo%2F showthread%2Ephp%3Ft%3D571618%26page%3D8)



Gotta love YouTube :up: This what I call a good service.

One note though... in about one minute from the start of the video, Timo Rautiainen give a note " pieni rytky = small bump "... I would just like to know what is a big bump in their notes :eek: :p :

[aivan]

A.F.F. I think we know what's a wrong note from that example then....

[PuddleJumper]

Just watched the video on YouTube and wow, what a roll from Henning. For a split-second I thought he was going to get away with it and then I immediately thought he was going to end up down the embankment on the outside of the corner. He was really lucky to lose a lot of the speed when he went onto 2 wheels.

When I saw the marshal waving his red jacket to warn of Henning's stranded car, I thought Carlos Sainz would come round the corner. :p :

[alleskids]

During the 1000 Lakes rally they would not even mentioning this <jump>, so to Finnish standarts it is a small jump :) .

[Timole]

i can not understand why can´t we see the superspecial stage from wrc+. Does anyone know anything about superspecial stage results?

[Timole]

i can not understand why can´t we see the superspecial stage from wrc+. Does anyone know anything about superspecial stage results?

[A.F.F.]

They seem to be online, for instance BFG.

[Timole]

i remember smt 00.33 maybe if we do math +2 hrs then it starts showing?

[J4MIE]

Good coverage :up:

That's a shame for Henning, was there too much damage to continue? ;( Seemed the spectators weren't too quick to help and nobody running up the stage to wave the next car down :down: Took about 1:10 for them to get back into the car so say 1:30 to get going again, pretty close if he'd lost time earlier in the stage..

Didn't look to be too much damage though (except Cato's door handle ;) ), maybe also the front left when it's going back over again?

[JAM]

Shouldn't the SS7 and 8 times be available already? Wrc.com eand Bfgoodrich don't show nothing.

[N.O.T]

wrc.com just updated the ss7 and ss8 result but only for the top crews.

[koko0703]

It's another slap in Petter's face, and it is disappointing to see a good run come to end with mechanical failure. But it's good to see Subaru on pace and another good job by Chris to keep 2nd over night in front of fast approaching Hirvonen.

[raybak]

Seems that Petter is listed as a retirement, musn't be able to fix car for Saturday.

Ray

PS how high will Wilson finish?

[olmy]

Hi all,
it is really unfortunate for Petter. Nothing more to say about this. You don't have to be a fan of him to feel sorry for the guy.
If we remember, he retired with the exact same problem in Monte Carlo 2005, which was the debut for this ill born Impreza. And now again.
Damn it.

[L5-&gt;R5/CR]

It might be a good idea, in countries without really large english speaking populations, for the drivers to atleast learn "help me" in the local dialect.

I bet if Henning got out shouting "ayudame ayudame" insetad of "help, come help, come help" the locals would have been quicker to respond.

[Christina]

I think that henning's body language coupled with the shouting made it pretty damn clear what he wanted. you notice that the camera man was even hesitant to go help?

[WRXedUSA]

I though your man was Joseph ??

Anyways... interesting theory. I have to admit all these Pastranas and Blocks are new faces to me. I have secretly been waiting for someone to come out of America to rallying scene. I hope them good and it sure will be interesting to see how they cope to real rallying. If they are serious about it they will be humble and ready to learn. :)

Ken and Travis are very humble, and very willing to learn. They were definately taken back by the skill and speed displayed by Toshi, Kristian and Nasser in Shakedown and testing.

Keep in mind, they've never run on real pace notes before. Whether you are a "fanboi" of Travis and Ken or not, you have to hand it to them and Subaru of America/DCShoes on the effort($$) they are putting forth.

They compete against some good talent in R-A (Foust, Pinker, O'Sullivan, ACP, Choiniere) that has been "passed over" simply because of age and means.

In any event, Go Travis & Ken!

[Corny]

Could someone please tell me what was wrong with Marcus on yesterday's second run?

[White Sauron]

Could someone please tell me what was wrong with Marcus on yesterday's second run?

engine... bit loss of power

[A.F.F.]

Ken and Travis are very humble, and very willing to learn. They were definately taken back by the skill and speed displayed by Toshi, Kristian and Nasser in Shakedown and testing.

Keep in mind, they've never run on real pace notes before. Whether you are a "fanboi" of Travis and Ken or not, you have to hand it to them and Subaru of America/DCShoes on the effort($$) they are putting forth.

They compete against some good talent in R-A (Foust, Pinker, O'Sullivan, ACP, Choiniere) that has been "passed over" simply because of age and means.

In any event, Go Travis & Ken!

I hear you WRXedUSA. At the moment Travis isn't too far behind from Kristian.

[White Sauron]

Sun pitaa voittaa, Mikko!!!

[Corny]

Just watched the day 1 coverage of eurosport.. Haven't they ever heard of marshals in Mexico?

[SubaruNorway]

Just watched the day 1 coverage of eurosport.. Haven't they ever heard of marshals in Mexico?

Don't remember if it was Mexico ore Portugal but they had 2000Marshals Norway had 5000

[Fischer]

Damn Eurosport, you have to wake up early on a saterday to view day 1, and it's not shown again today.

[pino]

Due to my work I only managed to follow the first 4 stages, and I was delighted to see Petter leading, then I came here and found out that he had retired :( Bad bad luck for him again, the only positive note is as many of you already posted, that the Subaru is competitive again. We might see a 4 drivers battle for the title ( yes I believe Mikko can win the title too) and if it cannot be Petter I will be very happy to see him winning :D

[bt52b]

engine... bit loss of power

...caused by having a faulty temp sensor for most of the day! Only found at end of day service!

Petter's oil leak was likely to have been caused by a rock damaged oil cooler.

[bt52b]

Travis may have had a tough day, Ken had WRC baptism of fire. Block's blog:
http://rally.subaru.com/event_2007_mexico_blog.html

Includes pic of Christian checking them into control for the last service of the day.

[Livewireshock]

Just watched the day 1 coverage of eurosport.. Haven't they ever heard of marshals in Mexico?

Apparently there around 3,000 people working on this event.

[White Sauron]

Morning (evening\day\night) to everyone! A few minues till the start of day 2!

[WRC2006]

Morning to you

[malscar]

Morning (evening\day\night) to everyone! A few minues till the start of day 2!

1.30am here. I can hear my pillow calling.

[SubaruNorway]

Could everyone update your profile flags thanks

[Brother John]

good after noon, go Marcus Go Go!!!

[Mauri A]

Could everyone update your profile flags thanks
Done!

[White Sauron]

Well,,, Marcus' not that fast as we could expect...

[N.O.T]

Sordo fastest on 1st split....

[Finni]

Why is Stohl running after Marcus not before? Are not superspecials counted?

[Timole]

hello again.
New day, hope that Rauam will have a problems free day.

[N.O.T]

Atkinson now fastest !!!!!

[Finni]

I think that Marcus' fight for second place is bit more difficult as he is now in front of his rivals on the road..

[N.O.T]

Loeb restores the order.....

[White Sauron]

I think that Marcus' fight for second place is bit more difficult as he is now in front of his rivals on the road..

Well. Mikko seems to have a good chance of taking joint lead in the championship with Loeb...

[N.O.T]

Marcus performance is a mystery this year.....even in sweden he couldn't dominate as in previous years...i just hope he continues to be as fast as he was previoulsy...it would be sad to fade away like makinen where he was ridiculed by solberg.

I have faith in Marcus though...i think he will find his pace.

[Finni]

Huoh.. Loeb crushes all opposition. I am afraid of boring season. C4 is already faster than the Focus on gravel. It's astonishing that even Sordo is paralleling Grönholm's and Hirvonen's pace.

[N.O.T]

Marcus 5 seconds faster than Sordo on split 4...Loeb is comes flying though.

[WRC2006]

Why Petter didn't restart today while it could be a good test for his new car in the next tough event like Portugal and others? Anyone know why?

[White Sauron]

Marcus performance is a mystery this year.....even in sweden he couldn't dominate as in previous years...i just hope he continues to be as fast as he was previoulsy...it would be sad to fade away like makinen where he was ridiculed by solberg.

I have faith in Marcus though...i think he will find his pace.

Isn't Marcus the only one to have an experience competing in Portugal? Back in 2001 when eh finished 3rd there... This can be an advantage for him.

[N.O.T]

Huoh.. Loeb crushes all opposition. I am afraid of boring season. C4 is already faster than the Focus on gravel. It's astonishing that even Sordo is paralleling Grönholm's and Hirvonen's pace.

I think Loeb is faster on gravel than the ford kids not the C4 than the focus....

[N.O.T]

Isn't Marcus the only one to have an experience competing in Portugal? Back in 2001 when eh finished 3rd there... This can be an advantage for him.


Indeed but i think the satges are much different this year than those of 2001

[Finni]

We should remember that last year Hirvonen was as fast as Marcus in Mexico. I still suspect that in some rallies - if not in most - Marcus will have edge over Mikko.

[White Sauron]

Why Petter didn't restart today while it could be a good test for his new car in the next tough event like Portugal and others? Anyone know why?

To save the engine for Porugal? Are these events paired?

[Finni]

I think Loeb is faster on gravel than the ford kids not the C4 than the focus....

I think that Sordo's pace means that Citroen probably has edge.

[WRC2006]

Huoh.. Loeb crushes all opposition. I am afraid of boring season. C4 is already faster than the Focus on gravel. It's astonishing that even Sordo is paralleling Grönholm's and Hirvonen's pace.

Don't worry, the C4 is the new name of Xsara. Just only the name changed and a little bit change on the body. It is the same think like Michelin and BFGoodrich.

[SubaruNorway]

Why Petter didn't restart today while it could be a good test for his new car in the next tough event like Portugal and others? Anyone know why?

Some damage to the engine and i think they are saving it for Argentina as Mexico and Argentina are paired. So if they had changed the engine and completed the rally i think they would get a time penalty someone correct me if im wrong

[N.O.T]

Gronholm now just 4 seconds behind Sordo....

[N.O.T]

I think that Sordo's pace means that Citroen probably has edge.

hmmmm....why ? Norway and Sweden showed otherwise.

[Mauri A]

Gronholm now just 4 seconds behind Sordo....
Not very long!

[WRC2006]

Some damage to the engine and i think they are saving it for Argentina as Mexico and Argentina are paired. So if they had changed the engine and completed the rally i think they would get a time penalty someone correct me if im wrong

I would like time penality but ensure that I have a reliable car in the following event. According to Mills, at the end of the stage there were no more oil in the engine, don't you think that this can affect the engine and loose power in the next event?

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen now 2nd !!!! 1 second infront of Atko.

[White Sauron]

Hirvonen now 2nd !!!! 1 second infront of Atko.

As expected...

[N.O.T]

Loeb dominates.....he makes other rally drivers look like sick dogs waiting for someone to put them out of their misery

[Brother John]

To save the engine for Porugal? Are these events paired?

They use the car back in Argentina! Look at Stohl´s car, It is 6 years old!!!!

[SubaruNorway]

I would like time penality but ensure that I have a reliable car in the following event. According to Mills, at the end of the stage there were no more oil in the engine, don't you think that this can affect the engine and loose power in the next event?

But they can change the engine betwene the events without penalty now that they retired

[N.O.T]

radio reports an oil leak from loebs car....also from Hirvonens car...

[Finni]

hmmmm....why ? Norway and Sweden showed otherwise.

Say what you say and what you want but to me it seems that Xsara was about as fast as Focus - watch for instance Stohl's astonishing raw stage win in repeated stage.

We know that Sordo had particular problems with the snow. And I can buy that Focus was clearly better in Norway with particular conditions. But yesterday Sordo's pace in repeated stages was astonishing. He is not yet as fast as Petter and shouldn't be anywhere near to Hirvonen.

[Brother John]

Who´s car is leaking oil? LOEB, HIRVONEN, SORDO!!!!????

[bt52b]

Not very long!

Full power helps ;)

[SubaruNorway]

Who´s car is leaking oil? LOEB, HIRVONEN, SORDO!!!!????

Loeb and Hirvonen but i think thats normal after the first stage as the oil heats up and exspands out of the breather pipe the sames as froze in Sweden on the Fords and caused the oilpressure to blow the engine

[jonkka]

Isn't Marcus the only one to have an experience competing in Portugal? Back in 2001 when eh finished 3rd there... This can be an advantage for him.

No. Petter has three starts there. Loeb has none, Henning has two. But like it's been pointed out, it's entirely different event this year.

[SubaruNorway]

looks like Stephan Vojtech driving without gloves on shakedown didn't Juan Pablo Raies got excluded for that in Sweden
http://www.ewrc-media.com/images/image_browse.php?fc=9&nc=16&id=9493

[bt52b]

looks like Stephan Vojtech driving without gloves on shakedown didn't Juan Pablo Raies got excluded for that in Sweden
http://www.ewrc-media.com/images/image_browse.php?fc=9&nc=16&id=9493

Raies only had one glove, but then again he shouldn't have been allowed start after his recce performance...

[SubaruNorway]

Raies only had one glove, but then again he shouldn't have been allowed start after his recce performance...

How many times was he caught fro speeding again, but is it alowed to drive shakedown without gloves, i don't think so

[Brother John]

Strange! Stange!
OMV Kronos Citroen team head Marc van Dalen explains . However On the super stage SS7 & SS8 the time systems did not work. "we don´t know, how from where the times came. We will now examine that !!!
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?PHPSESSID=f8c0c5bb49cafd07de000a1100be99 35&newsID=10051&view=news_detail

[jparker]

Little off-topic, is Mikko's body that small, or it's his co-driver taht is too big?

[SubaruNorway]

Strange! Stange!
OMV Kronos Citroen team head Marc van Dalen explains . However On the super stage SS7 & SS8 the time systems did not work. "we don´t know, how from where the times came. We will now examine that !!!
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?PHPSESSID=f8c0c5bb49cafd07de000a1100be99 35&newsID=10051&view=news_detail


What is it reffering to think he had a stal on ss7

[Brother John]

What is it reffering to think he had a stal on ss7

I dont know, just read it and was a little surprised!

[Finni]

seems that Marcus is getting back to rhythm.

[N.O.T]

Gronholm woke up....

[N.O.T]

Seems like a vendetta is developing between Hirvonen and Atkinson...first was Monte and Now mexico....Atko just 0.1 ahead.

[Brother John]

I want 100kg extra weights in Loeb's car! :D

[White Sauron]

I want 100kg extra weights in Loeb's car! :D

it won't be enough I'm afraid))

[jonkka]

I want 100kg extra weights in Loeb's car! :D

I can climb into the boot

[WRC2006]

I want 100kg extra weights in Loeb's car! :D

I always suspected the Xsara if it comply with the FIA regulations but now the C4 gonna be the same case? What that kind of technology Citroen has, does not another teams have?

[A.F.F.]

I can climb into the boot

I can add 70 kilos into other boot. That way he would be overweight and overbalanced :up:

[A.F.F.]

Btw... :wave: everyone today.

[WRC2006]

I can add 70 kilos into other boot. That way he would be overweight and overbalanced :up:

I am afraid he will use his magic lucky to balance and the car stay on the road?!

[jparker]

If Henning keeps running in the same pace, he will be 10th after 2-3 stages. However, I'm afraid that will be it for him, G. MacHale is not much slower.

[jparker]

I always suspected the Xsara if it comply with the FIA regulations but now the C4 gonna be the same case? What that kind of technology Citroen has, does not another teams have?

They have satellite navigation that drives the car, Loeb is just a passanger.

[WRC2006]

They have satellite navigation that drives the car, Loeb is just a passanger.


Haaaaaaaa!!!!!! Nice one man!!!!

[SubaruNorway]

Loeb retiring now would make it interesting, 4 drivers fighting for the win would be fun

[N.O.T]

What that kind of technology Citroen has, does not another teams have?

a proper rally driver maybe ???

[Finni]

I always suspected the Xsara if it comply with the FIA regulations but now the C4 gonna be the same case? What that kind of technology Citroen has, does not another teams have?

There is one thing that makes difference to Ford and Subaru: engine power. I have seen countless of times from simultaneous view how PSA-cars (Peugeot and Citroen) are clearly faster on straights than Subaru or Ford. This gives little edge to Citroen if their car is otherwise as good as cars of other teams.

I expect that Loeb is really though bone in rallies where engine power is highlited; but on the other hand I believe that Grönholm and Solberg can give good fight some rallies.

[sills]

Quote:
Originally Posted by WRC2006
What that kind of technology Citroen has, does not another teams have?

a proper rally driver maybe ???

i dont kno if the scooby proves realiable it has the speed solberg on the 2 re run stages was on the pace of loeb on cleaned roads, its going to be an intresting year

[A.F.F.]

Latvala is doing pretty much he has been told to do. Nice to see him following the footsteps of Mikko ... for once.

[Finni]

Grönholm is on fire! He will eat Atkinson, Hirvonen and others in next ss..

[N.O.T]

There is one thing that makes difference to Ford and Subaru: engine power. I have seen countless of times from simultaneous view how PSA-cars (Peugeot and Citroen) are clearly faster on straights than Subaru or Ford. This gives little edge to Citroen if their car is otherwise as good as cars of other teams.

I expect that Loeb is really though bone in rallies where engine power is highlited; but on the other hand I believe that Grönholm and Solberg can give good fight some rallies.

I really like like to see how you people try to find the difference in the cars and not in driver skill.....its amusing. not as amusing as the slow on the looooose Sordo comment but still amusing...

[N.O.T]

Grönholm is on fire! He will eat Atkinson, Hirvonen and others in next ss..

he already did that in this stage.....

[Finni]

I really like like to see how you people try to find the difference in the cars and not in driver skill.....its amusing. not as amusing as the slow on the looooose Sordo comment but still amusing...

There is no anything need to prevent engine differencies which are obvious enough. Also Sordo's pace is good indication how well C4 goes at the moment.

[N.O.T]

Loeb slower than Marcus... the battle for Podium is ON !!!!!! not for the win though

[N.O.T]

There is no anything need to prevent engine differencies which are obvious enough. Also Sordo's pace is good indication how well C4 goes at the moment.

so its impossible for Sordo to be driving that good ???....hmmm why he wasn't that fast on snow ??? there it was the driver that citroen should have replaced....but now its the car that gives sordo the pace....i like the logic...keep it up.

[Kamikaze]

l.....its amusing. not as amusing as the slow on the looooose Sordo comment but still amusing...

You are the funniest Person i know - really !

[Brother John]

@F.I.A. Skip Mexico next year! Save money, people trow stones and what more? A lot of country´s want will be in wrc, give them a chance!!!!!!!!!!!

[jparker]

There is no anything need to prevent engine differencies which are obvious enough. Also Sordo's pace is good indication how well C4 goes at the moment.

So, can we agree on the topic that C4 is better then Ford then?

[White Sauron]

So, can we agree on the topic that C4 is better then Ford then?

On this particular rally - yes

[A.F.F.]

And Kristian Sohlberg cannot but cruise and wait and hope for the better... Nice trip to Mexico. Caramba :mark:

[jparker]

On this particular rally - yes

But Finni said "many times Citroen is faster on straits"? I don't get it?
Make up your mind Citroen haters :)

[Tomi]

There is one thing that makes difference to Ford and Subaru: engine power. I have seen countless of times from simultaneous view how PSA-cars (Peugeot and Citroen) are clearly faster on straights than Subaru or Ford. This gives little edge to Citroen if their car is otherwise as good as cars of other teams.

I expect that Loeb is really though bone in rallies where engine power is highlited; but on the other hand I believe that Grönholm and Solberg can give good fight some rallies.

They did measure this and other things in last 1000 lakes, if you have VM, you can look from there.

[WRC2006]

It is fine that Loeb is the best driver also. But there is something we have to understand. Why Loeb hit a stone, it damages his car but he can continue and finish the stage. But when Marcus or Petter hits it, their cars can't resist?

Even Loeb said that on his website that he has been lucky after damaging his car but others had to pay for that.

If you say that he is the best, don't forget his co-driver. Who I think is the best in the WRC.

[bt52b]

How many times was he caught fro speeding again, but is it alowed to drive shakedown without gloves, i don't think so

29 I think. More than some would get in their whole career...

[jparker]

It is fine that Loeb is the best driver also. But there is something we have to understand. Why Loeb hit a stone, it damages his car but he can continue and finish the stage. But when Marcus or Petter hits it, their cars can't resist?

Even Loeb said that on his website that he has been lucky after damaging his car but others had to pay for that.

If you say that he is the best, don't forget his co-driver. Who I think is the best in the WRC.

Well, it wasn't like that last year in Finland. Don't you remember?

[bt52b]

They did measure this and other things in last 1000 lakes, if you have VM, you can look from there.
VM?

[Tomi]

VM?

Vauhdin Maailma, a finnish motorsport magazine

[WRC2006]

Time for team instructions now for Hirvonen. I hate this.

[bt52b]

Loeb slower than Marcus... the battle for Podium is ON !!!!!! not for the win though
Win is still possible, epecially if Seb is losing the odd bit of oil...

[bt52b]

Vauhdin Maailma, a finnish motorsport magazine

Thanks. :s mokin:

[hari]

looks like Stephan Vojtech driving without gloves on shakedown didn't Juan Pablo Raies got excluded for that in Sweden
http://www.ewrc-media.com/images/image_browse.php?fc=9&nc=16&id=9493


Its not on the shakedown stage, its the road section to the shakedown start...

[WRC2006]

Unless the car let him down, otherwise since he is ahead it is almost impossible to dislodge him. Time for him to run following Marcu's splits and we knows that he is the Boss in this game.

[Tomi]

yes cruising for Loeb now already, ford 2 and 3 would be good, Sordo 5 sofar better that i did think before this rally.

[Grany]

There is one thing that makes difference to Ford and Subaru: engine power. I have seen countless of times from simultaneous view how PSA-cars (Peugeot and Citroen) are clearly faster on straights than Subaru or Ford. This gives little edge to Citroen if their car is otherwise as good as cars of other teams.


In MC2007, Pipo didn't say the same thing about PSA and Ford engine.
For the "top speed", I remember many rallies where the Xsara was not faster than Sub, Ford or 307...

[sills]

Time for team instructions now for Hirvonen. I hate this.

there will be no tem instructions as atkinson and sordo are to close to risk slowing up, it wold be stupid to give team orders, Hirvonen would most certainley loose 2 places it would be far to risky

[WRC2006]

Maybe for Sordo, Hirvonen still has to increase the gap, but I don't think that Chris will maintain the pace. Sordo will eat him at the end of the day

[Roy]

@F.I.A. Skip Mexico next year! Save money, people trow stones and what more? A lot of country´s want will be in wrc, give them a chance!!!!!!!!!!!

That was what I think either yesterday after 'the stone accident'. Loeb had a broken window in the door of Elena.

And read this: :confused: :eek:
After ss10

Car 1. LOEB/ELENA
"We had a gate closed on us. We slowed down and pushed it open again..."
Car 16. WILSON/ORR
"It was a nightmare stage! ...and then someone shut a gate on us. We had to stop and open it...."
Car 35. NUTAHARA/BARRITT
"...A gate was closed and we had to slow down. I nudged it to get through"
Car 34. HIGGINS/MARTIN
"We had a gate shut too. I had to stop and push it aside. It is ridiculous."
Car 31 ARAI/SIRCOMBE
"The gate was half closed on us as well," confirmed Sircombe. "We just managed to squeeze through it."

And there are more. http://www.rallymexico.com/newsReader.asp?id=1311

How many Marshals are there! To less! What a grazy people there. Is that a welcome from Mexicano's??? to WRC! It is strange people anyway!!!

[WRC2006]

That was what I think either yesterday after 'the stone accident'. Loeb had a broken window in the door of Elena.

And read this: :confused: :eek:
After ss10

Car 1. LOEB/ELENA
"We had a gate closed on us. We slowed down and pushed it open again..."
Car 16. WILSON/ORR
"It was a nightmare stage! ...and then someone shut a gate on us. We had to stop and open it...."
Car 35. NUTAHARA/BARRITT
"...A gate was closed and we had to slow down. I nudged it to get through"
Car 34. HIGGINS/MARTIN
"We had a gate shut too. I had to stop and push it aside. It is ridiculous."
Car 31 ARAI/SIRCOMBE
"The gate was half closed on us as well," confirmed Sircombe. "We just managed to squeeze through it."

And there are more. http://www.rallymexico.com/newsReader.asp?id=1311

How many Marshals are there! To less! What a grazy people there. Is that a welcome from Mexicano's??? to WRC! It is strange people anyway!!!


And I read somewhere, on this forum, that there is around 3 000 marshals?! Wha are they doing?

[SubaruNorway]

People in Mexico must have realy low IQ

[bennizw]

Thats just ludicrity.. Amateur officials?

[SubaruNorway]

They are skiping it next year and Petter means this is the reason
http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=156556

[jparker]

Did you guys hear the Subaru tech on radio, trying to reject the blames that the oil cooler wasn't properly secured?

[WRC2006]

They are skiping it next year and Petter means this is the reason
http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=156556


It is Ifølge førerne kjørt rett er som er førerne .....for me?

Anyone to translate please?

[SubaruNorway]

Got the part where Paul Howart said that they could run the car for 20years and it would most likely never happen again.

I may be totaly wrong about this but i think the oilcooler sits inside one of the carboncovers in the front on iether side and gets air from the intake on the side of the bumper so it's very unlikely a stone could get in there and brake a blade on the fan wich made the hole in the cooler
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=643485881vm3.jpg

[SubaruNorway]

It is Ifølge førerne kjørt rett er som er førerne .....for me?

Anyone to translate please?

copy it straight from the text that doesen't mean anything to me

[A.F.F.]

And I read somewhere, on this forum, that there is around 3 000 marshals?! Wha are they doing?


I take it this stage was timebased on siesta.

Jokes aside, really ridicilous and nonmature behaviour from spectators :down:

[Priorat]

No. Petter has three starts there. Loeb has none, Henning has two. But like it's been pointed out, it's entirely different event this year.

Sordo drove a Xsara as a "0" car last year in the inspection Rally Portugal

[bt52b]

I take it this stage was timebased on siesta.

Jokes aside, really ridicilous and nonmature behaviour from spectators :down:

Very dangerous. Can anyone remember a rally worse than this. Gates closed, rocks thru' windscreens and small stone walls!!!!

[jparker]

Got the part where Paul Howart said that they could run the car for 20years and it would most likely never happen again.

I may be totaly wrong about this but i think the oilcooler sits inside one of the carboncovers in the front on iether side and gets air from the intake on the side of the bumper so it's very unlikely a stone could get in there and brake a blade on the fan wich made the hole in the cooler
http://img222.imageshack.us/my.php?image=643485881vm3.jpg

Well, I hope it doesn't happen again. Otherwize Paul Howart has to re-estimate the 20 years probability :)

[Tomi]

I take it this stage was timebased on siesta.

Jokes aside, really ridicilous and nonmature behaviour from spectators :down:

Yes, they should think twice where to take the new events, sad that thiskind of things still happens.

[jonkka]

Very dangerous. Can anyone remember a rally worse than this. Gates closed, rocks thru' windscreens and small stone walls!!!!

Happens in Argentina too from time to time.

[jonkka]

Just curious, how is that different from Monte Carlo spectators shoveling snow on the road? Idiots are idiots no matter which country they come from.

[Tomi]

Just curious, how is that different from Monte Carlo spectators shoveling snow on the road? Idiots are idiots no matter which country they come from.

agree, also it's up to every fan to look that this not happens, not only the organisator.

[jparker]

Happens in Argentina too from time to time.

Yah, I remember that. And sometimes they target even helicopters :)

[jonkka]

Viva Zapata, eh? :eek:

[Josti]

Jokes aside, really ridicilous and nonmature behaviour from spectators :down:


Really sounds extreme for something spectators would do. I would think of enviroment activists or so. Shame anyway. This could cost Mexico Rally it's head for the WRC calender next year...

[jonkka]

Yes, these days there are so many rallies wanting to join and FIA is under lots of pressure to justify their choice of included events that any little mishap might topple rally from the calendar. Given that Australia looks set to make return, at least one of current events is in danger.

[bt52b]

Just curious, how is that different from Monte Carlo spectators shoveling snow on the road? Idiots are idiots no matter which country they come from.

Rock thru' your windscreen is alot more serious. Its a direct assault on the crew. :bones: :bandit: :angryfire :grenade:

[jparker]

This could cost Mexico Rally it's head for the WRC calender next year...

They are off next year anyway, but may in the future

[jonkka]

Rock thru' your windscreen is alot more serious. Its a direct assault on the crew.

Funny logic. Pulling rug from under your feet won't get same reaction than kicking your leg?

[jparker]

Yes, these days there are so many rallies wanting to join and FIA is under lots of pressure to justify their choice of included events that any little mishap might topple rally from the calendar. Given that Australia looks set to make return, at least one of current events is in danger.

Also, we are very kind here in Canada :rolleyes:

[Brother John]

Mikko thinks "Baaay baaay Atkinson!" :D

[jonkka]

Also, we are very kind here in Canada :rolleyes:

You are? Are you? Kind enough to dig up old results from Quebec and Rideau Lakes rallies for me?

[bt52b]

Funny logic. Pulling rug from under your feet won't get same reaction than kicking your leg?

Not really. If the rock hits you on the head. GAME OVER!

[Brother John]

:dozey: Loeb controls again and just looks at the splittimes from Marcus & Mikko!

[jparker]

You are? Are you? Kind enough to dig up old results from Quebec and Rideau Lakes rallies for me?
:) I said "we" as a nation. Me pesronally, I'm not sure I would qualify.
But I'll see what I can do for you.

[jonkka]

:) I said "we" as a nation. Me pesronally, I'm not sure I would qualify.
But I'll see what I can do for you.

If you'd find me what were local newspapers of the era would be enough. Or if there is libraries that carry such old newspapers. I've already contacted Canadian Motorsport of Fame but they knew nothing. Quebec ran at WRC level in 1977-79 and Rideau Lakes in 1974.

[Waldrons11]

Sordo drove a Xsara as a "0" car last year in the inspection Rally Portugal

He also competed in the Algarve event in 2005 in a Citroen C2, as did Mikko Hirvonen in a grp N car. Last year Daniel Carlsson was there too.

[A.F.F.]

Atkinson loosing more time.

[N.O.T]

Loeb fastest......

[jparker]

If you'd find me what were local newspapers of the era would be enough. Or if there is libraries that carry such old newspapers. I've already contacted Canadian Motorsport of Fame but they knew nothing. Quebec ran at WRC level in 1977-79 and Rideau Lakes in 1974.

OK, I'll keep you posted. I have some other resources too.

[edacurf]

Loeb fastest......


very boring...........

[N.O.T]

Hmmm i wonder if the Gord team allows gronholm and Hirvonen to fight it out in the 2 remaining stages....Sordo is not far behind though...but i think that both Gronholm and Hirvonen can control him.

[jonkka]

OK, I'll keep you posted. I have some other resources too.

Thanks!

[A.F.F.]

Sordo is not far behind though...but i think that both Gronholm and Hirvonen can control him.

Sordo being so slow on loose, sure they can.

[Doug Woods]

If you'd find me what were local newspapers of the era would be enough. Or if there is libraries that carry such old newspapers. I've already contacted Canadian Motorsport of Fame but they knew nothing. Quebec ran at WRC level in 1977-79 and Rideau Lakes in 1974.

Jonkka:

If you want results for the 1974 WRC Rally of the Rideau Lakes, you have to ask the correct person.

Since I was the organizer of the event, that would be me.

What do you want?

[DonJippo]

Sordo being so slow on loose, sure they can.

:rotflmao:

[CABAIO E'LONA]

this demonstrated that the five first this taking a infernal rate… to see happen them re-played must be incredible!!

[bt52b]

Rock and €rap

Stage Flash 4
Car 38. SOHLBERG/PIETILAINEN

“Half way into the stage there was a big rock around a corner. I hope no-one put it there. I could not avoid it. Now the engine is hot.”


Stage flash 7/8
Car 34. HIGGINS/MARTIN
“The car is tracking out at the right rear wheel because I hit a large stone in stage five – it was impossible to avoid. The spectators are a problem, there are big stones in the road and we had a stone thrown at my co-driver’s window. Also in stage five, we went through the water splash and knocked off the wheel speed sensor. After that, the car started misfiring. At the start of the second super special stage, because of the right rear tracking problem, the car oversteered and I hit a bridge, damaging the right rear wing.”

Car 43. BENIK/BUNKOCZI

“Many problems for me. We had no turbo pressure for stages five and six. Then we had to change a fuel pump and then we hit some stones that spectators had put in the road.”

Service Flash D
Car 43. BENIK/BUNKOCZI
Had problems with the fuel pump on all three stages and then the gearbox was damaged when he ran over some stones on the 11th stage.

Car 37. PAVLIDES/GIRAUDET
A stone hit his screen and damaged the glass on the co-driver’s side.

SS12 WRR
Kristan SOHLBERG - "rocks on road, it frickin ridiculous"

[jonkka]

Jonkka:

If you want results for the 1974 WRC Rally of the Rideau Lakes, you have to ask the correct person.

Since I was the organizer of the event, that would be me.

What do you want?

Doug Doug Doug, you're answer to my prayers! Great stuff. I'll PM you, OK?

[jonkka]

These rally radio flashbacks are giving me shivers. Gronholm has put his car into a ditch and can't get out, bad news for Ford :eek:

[sills]

Rock thru' your windscreen is alot more serious. Its a direct assault on the crew. :bones: :bandit: :angryfire :grenade:

not much difference in throwing a rock at a car and shovling snow on the road both are as serious as imagine a car goin of a 500-1000 foot drop because of that or even just crashing it is also a assault on the crews if the crash. like u say rock hit you in the head (could be) game over, slide of a cliff .....foot drop or even slide into a tree branch through the window its all th same

anyway no matter what its up to spectators to behave and not do any of this its all just as serious

[SubaruNorway]

You don't see any of that in Norway, bring on Norway :wave:

[edacurf]

let us play a game ?

[edacurf]

mikko +24 !!!!!

[SubaruNorway]

Mikko problems!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jonkka]

Let it be just a spin...

[edacurf]

Let it be just a spin...

that´s what a mean, about a game

[White Sauron]

I hate you Loeb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 bring back my Mikko!!!

[N.O.T]

Very bad 1st split by Hirvonen.....

[SubaruNorway]

going at normal speed again now

[A.F.F.]

Mikko ****ed up... it happens.

[L5-&gt;R5/CR]

Rock and €rap

Stage Flash 4
Car 38. SOHLBERG/PIETILAINEN

“Half way into the stage there was a big rock around a corner. I hope no-one put it there. I could not avoid it. Now the engine is hot.”


Stage flash 7/8
Car 34. HIGGINS/MARTIN
“The car is tracking out at the right rear wheel because I hit a large stone in stage five – it was impossible to avoid. The spectators are a problem, there are big stones in the road and we had a stone thrown at my co-driver’s window. Also in stage five, we went through the water splash and knocked off the wheel speed sensor. After that, the car started misfiring. At the start of the second super special stage, because of the right rear tracking problem, the car oversteered and I hit a bridge, damaging the right rear wing.”

Car 43. BENIK/BUNKOCZI

“Many problems for me. We had no turbo pressure for stages five and six. Then we had to change a fuel pump and then we hit some stones that spectators had put in the road.”

Service Flash D
Car 43. BENIK/BUNKOCZI
Had problems with the fuel pump on all three stages and then the gearbox was damaged when he ran over some stones on the 11th stage.

Car 37. PAVLIDES/GIRAUDET
A stone hit his screen and damaged the glass on the co-driver’s side.

SS12 WRR
Kristan SOHLBERG - "rocks on road, it frickin ridiculous"



Seems to be a couple of determined people. Perhaps locals that are not happy about people coming onto their land and being pinned into their property by the rally having the road closed?

Edstrom posted the km range of the stone throwers yesterday, seems like there are some angry locals in a couple of pockets...

[White Sauron]

going at normal speed again now

must have been a spin or overshooting a junction...

[N.O.T]

The Battle for 3rd now has 3 contenders again....

[A.F.F.]

I have a strong feeling that I'm really REALLY going to suck at pickems again this year :mark:

[Wim_Impreza]

I have a strong feeling that I'm really REALLY going to suck at pickems again this year :mark:

You are not alone.

[Roy]

No Gareth? I have no radio, what do they say?

[Tomi]

mikko can not do many mistakes, even sordo might catch.

[noel157]

No Gareth? I have no radio, what do they say?


Reported mechanical problem. Hope he gets going again.

[A.F.F.]

I'm not too happy about Sohlberg's pace :down: The first loop yesterday was fine but then something happened. is that something still preventing him to rally fast today ?

[Tomi]

I'm not too happy about Sohlberg's pace :down: The first loop yesterday was fine but then something happened. is that something still preventing him to rally fast today ?

I think he has been doing ok, pity about the flat on the long stage yesterday, and today he hit some stone.

[L5-&gt;R5/CR]

I'm not too happy about Sohlberg's pace :down: The first loop yesterday was fine but then something happened. is that something still preventing him to rally fast today ?


Seems like he keeps getting punctures?

[Roy]

I think he has been doing ok, pity about the flat on the long stage yesterday, and today he hit some stone.

Or the stone hit him... you don't know in Mexico.

[hemgul]

Sordo - Hirvonen - Atkinson
Citroen - Ford - Subaru

How long we haven't seen such a competition?

[Tomi]

Or the stone hit him... you don't know in Mexico.

yes the stone was likely put on the road.

[Roy]

Reported mechanical problem. Hope he gets going again.

Thanks for information. I hope he used SupeRally.
I'm sorry for him. He was driving well.

[L5-&gt;R5/CR]

yes the stone was likely put on the road.



Not like it never happens anywhere else, or has cost other drivers to crash and loose rallies or anything (not defending these actions, just trying to point out it happens at other events, maybe not as frequently, which is dissapointing, but it happens).

[A.F.F.]

Not like it never happens anywhere else, or has cost other drivers to crash and loose rallies or anything (not defending these actions, just trying to point out it happens at other events, maybe not as frequently, which is dissapointing, but it happens).


Yes it does. Morons breed all around the world.

[Tomi]

Not like it never happens anywhere else, or has cost other drivers to crash and loose rallies or anything (not defending these actions, just trying to point out it happens at other events, maybe not as frequently, which is dissapointing, but it happens).

yes it happens, but not so much anymore, but in this event propably more than in others together, not so nice from drivers point of view, first you make big effort to get a budget to go to rally mexico then some morons throw stones and put stones on the road to see drivers in trouble.

[MJW]

Hmm - wonder if Mexico makes it to the 2009 WRC, against competition from the new events? If I remeber last year there were "stones" incidents and also loose animals that made some drivers say it had about as much wildlife as a Safari.

[Tomi]

Hmm - wonder if Mexico makes it to the 2009 WRC, against competition from the new events? If I remeber last year there were "stones" incidents and also loose animals that made some drivers say it had about as much wildlife as a Safari.

me too, and i hope they skip it, FIA should show they are serious about this kind of stuff.

[SubaruNorway]

And now they are running people of the road when is it gona stop

[A.F.F.]

Nutahara is having serious problems.

[AlfaWRC]

Seems to be a battle for 3rd (unfortunately not for second with Marcus) tomorrow...... but mikko will do it.

any facts what happened to him on SS 13?

[N.O.T]

me too, and i hope they skip it, FIA should show they are serious about this kind of stuff.

Seems that the latin American rallies get some kind of special treatment from the FIA... Argentina had far worse incident through the years and nothing happened as well.

[bt52b]

yes it happens, but not so much anymore, but in this event propably more than in others together, not so nice from drivers point of view, first you make big effort to get a budget to go to rally mexico then some morons throw stones and put stones on the road to see drivers in trouble.

Happens everywhere, but rarely happens on almost every stage :(

[dyfi1]

Nutahara is having serious problems.

rally radio report that he has broken driveshaft.

[White Sauron]

Seems to be a battle for 3rd (unfortunately not for second with Marcus) tomorrow...... but mikko will do it.

any facts what happened to him on SS 13?

Went off

[A.F.F.]

Now Baldacci having serious problems. :eek:

This seem to be a killer stage for PWRC.