Rally Finland 2010

[alexlake]

Split times bug on wrc.com is terrible!

so so annoying!!

[René]

I'm close to teh explosion with the WRC.com split time GRRRRRRR!!!!

[Josti]

No 2nd split for Hanninen yet...

Edit: Now I see it.

[jonkka]

Good job by JML... victory is so close... no more 2009 Polands for him pls...

[René]

Good job by JML... victory is so close... no more 2009 Polands for him pls...

:D I hope not for him because Malcom should brake a bottle of champagne on his head that time....

[Red bull]

GOD SAVE THE KING(loeb) :D :p

[pettersolberg29]

Good start by Petter, at least compared to Sordo. Hope he catches Loeb.

[Salist]

Go Jml Go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Salist]

no split times on wrc.com. grrrrrrrrrrrr

[jonkka]

yes, there are

Petter 1st split -1,4s
Loeb -0,3s

[WRC1]

wow! petter flat out!

[jonkka]

So is Loeb

[Ghostwalker]

no split times on wrc.com. grrrrrrrrrrrr

at split 3:

Sordo 5.49.2
P:Solberg -8.1
Loeb -9,7

[WRC1]

incredible!! whatever petter does, seb is a margin faster...well, he is the master

[jonkka]

JML is approaching the very dangerous section - the one which is like super special...

[jonkka]

You know, tyre stacks and crash barriers

[bt52b]

Great drive by JML

[jonkka]

JML did it... :D

[Josti]

Congrats to Jari-Matti!

[Ghostwalker]

JML is approaching the very dangerous section - the one which is like super special...

since he started after his opponents he can take it slow.

[jonkka]

Yihaa!

[Mirek]

Great run by JML! Also congrats to Ogier for great effort!

[WRC1]

Jari matti latvala is the winner!!

great performance, great rally!

jari matti is new nr1 at ford!

[snellman]

at what point will petter screw it up this time?

[pettersolberg29]

at what point will petter screw it up this time?

Eh? He's already finished. About 10 minutes ago.

[Roy]

since he started after his opponents he can take it slow.

Why do they change the start order?

[pettersolberg29]

Great time by Matty Wilson to keep Ostberg behind him (unless Ostberg gets the fastest stage time)

[snellman]

Eh? He's already finished. About 10 minutes ago.there's gotta be a way :D

[jonkka]

there's gotta be a way :D

Road section accident en route to final TC?

[xspeedy]

So I guess it is JML, Ogier, Loeb, Petter?

Yep, just confirmed it myself.

[Cloverleaf]

S2000
1-) Juho Hänninen
2-) P-G Andersson
3-) Patrik Sandell

[N.O.T]

very nice deserving win by latvala...

[Mirek]

I can't say that I'm not happy for complete Škoda podium in SWRC :) Well done all, pitty for Ketomaa and Rantanen.

[DonJippo]

Great win by JML! Also good drive from Ogier surely a winner in NORF one day.

[Roy]

Why do they change the start order?

Repeat above, and this: KANKKUNEN J. / REPO J. [about Latvala]: "He will win title one day."

[jonkka]

very nice deserving win by latvala...

turbo- :eek:

[Mirek]

Andis Neiksans finally defended 4th place among production cars by 7,8 seconds from Kresta who was recovering from yesterday's problems (caused by off). Anyway I'm happy for Roman's drive because his last gravel stage was 5 years a go which is pretty long time :)

[jonkka]

KANKKUNEN J. / REPO J. [about Latvala]: "He will win title one day."

Hannu Mikkola said same about Toni Gardemeister in 1999.

[alleskids]

Both Latvalla as Gardemeister have been given a lot of title's (by rallyfans)
can opener of the year/ sick dog of the month etc etc :P ;)

[Salist]

Fantastic victory from Jari-Matti!!!
CONGRATULATIONS!!!

[Allar]

Ott Tänak did good job as well! PWRC first place!
Well made Latvala 4th win of his Career

[N.O.T]

the dissapointment of the event apart from the finnish rautenbach who manages to be both slow and reckless must be Solberg.....i don't know if he has the budget for the rest of the season but if mini doesn't offer him something its game over.

[DonJippo]

the dissapointment of the event must be Solberg.....

How's that? I thought he had a good event, no mistakes got the best result he could as a privateer team.

[N.O.T]

i expected him to fight for the win....or at least get a podium place.

The private team thing starts to get old...

[N.O.T]

Ogier is a revelation...i had him going for the ditch yet e had an amazing pace and managed to stay on the road and challenge for the win...lets see what the future holds for him.

[Miika]

Latvala and Kankkunen arriving at the end of the final stage plus S2000 winner Hänninen putting on a bit of a show in the last tarmac corner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPttRNG_XgQ

[N.O.T]

and also the 2 day format is far more attractive than the 3 day one.

[GigiGalliNo1]

It's only Sunday well midnight in Australia and the rally is already over?!!?

[pettersolberg29]

i expected him to fight for the win....or at least get a podium place.

The private team thing starts to get old...

The private team thing starts to get old? So he's just meant to shut up, let everyone think he's just slow rather than explain his serious disadvantage do you think? Expecting any privateer to win is over ambitious - 4th behind Loeb, Ogier and JML on his home rally is a fine result.

[jonkka]

and also the 2 day format is far more attractive than the 3 day one.

Well, if there are, as there now are, only 300-350 kms of stages then I agree. But if event ups it's itinerary towards the current limit of 500 kilometers then three days is more appropriate. I am a bit amazed that no rally has yet tried to exceed the 400 km limit, maybe it's so much easier for the organisers to keep it at minimum km limit. I don't know.

[tmx]

The private team thing starts to get old? So he's just meant to shut up, let everyone think he's just slow rather than explain his serious disadvantage do you think? Expecting any privateer to win is over ambitious - 4th behind Loeb, Ogier and JML on his home rally is a fine result. The more you feed the troll, the more it grows. Anyone wasting time with this guy is getting old.

[N.O.T]

Well, if there are, as there now are, only 300-350 kms of stages then I agree. But if event ups it's itinerary towards the current limit of 500 kilometers then three days is more appropriate. I am a bit amazed that no rally has yet tried to exceed the 400 km limit, maybe it's so much easier for the organisers to keep it at minimum km limit. I don't know.

yes for sure...i think its a matter of economy they don't exceed the 400 kms mark..more marshals, ambulances ects for the organisers but also for the teams, more fuel, maintenance and other things.

[Tomi]

Congrats to J-M and Ford, before the rally i was thinking it this time would be a fight between Loeb and Ogier, but better this way.
Skoda also did a good rally all in all.

[ProRally]

Well done J-M, even with lot of pressure....
You realized your dream of winning Rally Finland !!!!

[jonkka]

Oh - yes, absolutely. Hats off to Ogier. Even though he didn't win his drive was simply amazing.

[N.O.T]

and of course justified fully the choice of the citroen management.

[JFL]

i expected him to fight for the win....or at least get a podium place.

The private team thing starts to get old...

You just say these things to start a discussion? The car is 97% equal to factory cars... Its a long rally.. few sec. there... He cant change every part as often.. (suspension) And he can't risk the car... and he cant tune the car if needed..

[Tomi]

and of course justified fully the choice of the citroen management.

Offcourse, after all they know best their own guys, and what they are capable to do.

[N.O.T]

You just say these things to start a discussion? The car is 97% equal to factory cars... Its a long rally.. few sec. there... He cant change every part as often.. (suspension) And he can't risk the car... and he cant tune the car if needed..

sounds fair enough....but don't ask the new manufacturers entering to chose him or for him to expect something better in his career than the current situation, If his fans are happy with that its ok by me then.

on the other facts of the rally, real pity that ketomaa didn't manage to get a win here since he was faster than anyone else by far, still we need to have a clear indication of his tarmac skills because it plays a big role in someones career and you can easily become a rovanpera rather than a gronholm. Also the fact that hanninen was close shows that the IRC guys may have a chance against the WRC guys, but thats just speculation until we see them competing with the best.

[Tomi]

Great win by JML! Also good drive from Ogier surely a winner in NORF one day.

Agree, and now Loeb can start to prepair him self to end the carreer, like he said a few days back.

[N.O.T]

yes maybe 1-2 years more and he can pull the curtains to the most successful rallying career through the ages.

[Ucci]

Amazing and also emotional victory for young JML-this was one of his dreams already from childhood years!!
On the other side: tremendus, almost horrible progress from Ogier, his second appearance on Finish gravel and already missing the victory for lousy ten seconds !! If we look back in history, nobody made souch a progress in this rally, even the mighty Mr.Perfect-Seb Loeb!!!
So, JML&Ford fans, enjoy this victory, because in three weeks in Germany first Ford will not miss the win behind first C4WRC for yust 10 seconds...I bet we will see two, three minutes.....And this is tragedy!!!http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon8.gif
Not to forget my favorite driver back 20-25 years: Kankkunen did a fine job, he has still the speed and I looking forward to see him in October at Rally Legend in San Marino....
Solid performance by Kimi, yust this silly off-road this morning....But his rallys are approaching, I expect much from him on tarmac...let wait and see!!
Hanninen: excellent result before the IRC goes to the final stage (good for his confidence).
Again a nice rally & good show!!
See you in Germany :up:

[Hipo1990]

anyone have pictures with Miikka Salonen's Impreza 555 Number 95?

[Tomi]

on the other facts of the rally, real pity that ketomaa didn't manage to get a win here since he was faster than anyone else by far

No point to worry about him, he will find work for sure.

[Juha_Koo]

Just arrived home from this year's rally. And what a rally it was! Many many great fights, lot's of action and nice conditions plus awesome atmosphere. AND WHO'S THE WINNER?!?! IT'S JML! :crazy: :bounce:

You can't even imagine how fired up I was in Himos area forests during the second pass of the stage... Radio connection was cracking and shizziling in our place and then Petter came with incredibly wide line to our place and nearly tossed it. The tension rose to nearly unbearable levels until when I finally heard that JM had really won, I experienced a very special feeling.

Hey guys, what did I say back in 26th day?


Relaxed Latvala comes and wins the whole sh*t... How about that! :s mokin:

;)

I also scored max points in our rally group's podium betting. I had gues... known the podium guys totally correctly. Everything went very smoothly this year and the atmosphere was great. Some pictures from the weekend coming later on. Right now I'm a really, really happy man. :)

[tmx]

Not to forget my favorite driver back 20-25 years: Kankkunen did a fine job, he has still the speed and I looking forward to see him in October at Rally Legend in San Marino.... I'm impressed with Kankkunen and actually beating Kimi too.

[N.O.T]

No point to worry about him, he will find work for sure.

its easy to find a job in developed european rally countries, there are far less talented guys with rally jobs....to make a career out of it is the hard part.

[Tomi]

its easy to find a job in developed european rally countries, there are far less talented guys with rally jobs....to make a career out of it is the hard part.

Yes, but now here was the main competitors for the coming seats present, he did not have so big problems with them, and also he has tested already with many teams, main thing is that the teams knows what he goes for, if they dont think he is good enough, then it is so, and they dont sign.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/755/755_latvala__antilla_%28ford_focus_wrc%29_8cdfbfe5 5e.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/755/755_solberg__patterson_%28citroen_c4_wrc%29_cb6b87 ba32.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/755/755_hirvonen__lehtinen_%28ford_focus_wrc%5D_be4412 7d08.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/755/755_solberg__minor_%28ford_focus_wrc%29_4b22871378 .jpg

More photos from Rally Finland HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=755&fseason=2010) ;)

[COD]

on the other facts of the rally, real pity that ketomaa didn't manage to get a win here since he was faster than anyone else by far, .

Well, not that much faster than Hänninen really, we really failed to see the real battle between them because of the problems of Ketomaa.

Also note the speed of Nikara, big technical problems on friday, but today good speed in a bit outdated Peugeot 207, some really impressive times today

[vkangas]

Interesting fact that JML's car was the same car that he rolled in Portugal 2009...

[bretddog]

Did anyone hear what happened to Mikko?

From the video it's clear something was broken already when he went off the jump. Wheels are totally misaligned..


http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3575/ss20100731222500.png

[Daniel]

Did anyone hear what happened to Mikko?

From the video it's clear something was broken already when he went off the jump. Wheels are totally misaligned..


http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/3575/ss20100731222500.png
Wheels aren't "obviously" misaligned IMHO.

[bretddog]

Wheels aren't "obviously" misaligned IMHO.

The right is pointing directly at the camera.. Compare to any other picture of a jumping car.. It doesn't look like this. Onboard also shows the steering being kicked out of his hands on landing. This wouldn't happen unless something was broken.

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1041/ss20100731224119.png

[Daniel]

The right is pointing directly at the camera.. Compare to any other picture of a jumping car.. It doesn't look like this. Onboard also shows the steering being kicked out of his hands on landing. This wouldn't happen unless something was broken.

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/1041/ss20100731224119.png
Meh, it's a blur

[bretddog]

Meh, it's a blur

duh... if u don't wanna use either your eyes or brain cells.. then believe what you want.

btw, Jarmo also said steering locked on landing.. he's probably also in a blur..

[Daniel]

duh... if u don't wanna use either your eyes or brain cells.. then believe what you want.

btw, Jarmo also said steering locked on landing.. he's probably also in a blur..
Seriously, you are wasted on here :) You should be on a JFK forum proving that the grassy knoll did it :rolleyes:

Being serious though, ackermann and toe in can account for any supposed difference in the direction that wheels may be facing.

[bretddog]

Seriously, you are wasted on here :) You should be on a JFK forum proving that the grassy knoll did it :rolleyes:

Being serious though, ackermann and toe in can account for any supposed difference in the direction that wheels may be facing.

Nice way to lose a discussion.. Oh mama... i'm crying..

yea.. i'm sure he runs a toe in of 10 deg.. sigh..

[Daniel]

Nice way to lose a discussion.. Oh mama... i'm crying..

yea.. i'm sure he runs a toe in of 10 deg.. sigh..
There is no discussion luv, your blurry picture does not obviously show anything conclusive......

[N.O.T]

bretdog the focus suspension is always like that through jumps, its normal...here is a pic.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9495/picture150.th.jpg (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/picture150.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[N.O.T]

another one

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/5311/picture154y.th.jpg (http://img72.imageshack.us/i/picture154y.jpg/)

[bretddog]

bretdog the focus suspension is always like that through jumps, its normal...here is a pic.


yea NOT.. I'm not talking about the vertical angles, but the horizontal. When one wheel is clearly much more narrow than the other they do point in different direction. You can even calculate the angle quite easily from the picture, but I don't bother. It's clear enough.

[N.O.T]

ah..yeah...you have a point in that one. Did the team say that something broke ? from the onboard footage it doesn't look like hirvonen hit something before the jump...there was a small jump before the one that the accident occured but the landing seemed fine.

[bretddog]

All I heard was Jarmo said steering locked on landing.. Nothing from the team. But they may not have analyzed anything yet.

Yea, can't see anything special either.. could be a weak part.

[TG]

Mikko's accident happened just few hundred meters after Urria's famous big jump. It's possible that something went broken already there.

From incar footage it looks clear that something was wrong. Landing was straight on the road, but when the car touched the ground, front of the car turned suddenly to the left.

[Daniel]

yea NOT.. I'm not talking about the vertical angles, but the horizontal. When one wheel is clearly much more narrow than the other they do point in different direction. You can even calculate the angle quite easily from the picture, but I don't bother. It's clear enough.
Like I said, the front suspension will have some toe in, couple that with a bit of ackermann and voila, wheels pointing in a different direction and for very good reason if you understand ackermann.

[bretddog]

Like I said, the front suspension will have some toe in, couple that with a bit of ackermann and voila, wheels pointing in a different direction and for very good reason if you understand ackermann.

The left is pointing straight forward. In that position ackermann makes absolutely no difference to the right wheel. ..Unless the links are broken of course.. in which case it may make a huge difference :)

[ste898]

and also the 2 day format is far more attractive than the 3 day one.

I cannot believe anyone can say that..........

Bet you would be happy with 1 day!!!!

Bring back the proper 5 day events that proper rally fans want!!!!!

[saxter]

A nice video from the last S.S.19 with Jari, KKK,Hanninen and many celebrations for Jari
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPttRNG_XgQ&feature=player_embedded (http://http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPttRNG_XgQ&feature=player_embedded)

[noel157]

2 day format was good. Fighting on day 1, more fighting on day 2 right down to the wire and no silly procession over a few stages on Sunday morning.

[bretddog]

Mikko's accident happened just few hundred meters after Urria's famous big jump. It's possible that something went broken already there.

From incar footage it looks clear that something was wrong. Landing was straight on the road, but when the car touched the ground, front of the car turned suddenly to the left.

Good point TG. Very likely whatever part gave in on that jump. Of course should take the beating, so either he hit something earlier that weakened it, or it could be a production fault of a link, or combination.

[J.Lindstroem]

I cannot believe anyone can say that..........

Bet you would be happy with 1 day!!!!

Bring back the proper 5 day events that proper rally fans want!!!!!

With 4 stages on friday, 3 on saturday and than 2 on sunday? IMHO when the ammount of stages is smaller as we see today with beteween 15 and 20 stages, it is better with 2 days rather than 3... That makes it more stages on each day and by that i think that the endurance feeling of rallying is strenghtend.. :)

[CrazyLeo]

Huge thanks to the thousands of people who made this event possible. It has been an amazing experience to come and be a part of this, even if it's just spectating!

Hope to be back next year.

[ste898]

With 4 stages on friday, 3 on saturday and than 2 on sunday? IMHO when the ammount of stages is smaller as we see today with beteween 15 and 20 stages, it is better with 2 days rather than 3... That makes it more stages on each day and by that i think that the endurance feeling of rallying is strenghtend.. :)

It becasuse there is so few stages in WRC rallying that they can now fit them into 2/3 days.................

When will the drivers get a proper challenge again

[Ghostwalker]

It becasuse there is so few stages in WRC rallying that they can now fit them into 2/3 days.................

When will the drivers get a proper challenge again

it won't fit into the wrc's new "cost efficient profile".
Soon we'll have some 13 stages rallies, 1 SSS and 2x6SS stages.

[Allyc85]

Only just been able to check the rally result and im very, very happy to see Latvala held on to take a brilliant win with huge pressure from the citreons behind the responsibility of fighting for the blue oval :D

Last year he would have chucked it at the scenery but he seems to be improving alot this year :)

[Rallyper]

much possible, a pity his rally vent in the drain because technical problems, good thing is that before that he showed what the pace is, else the s2000 has been much as expected, only from P-G I expected a bit more, this year he has not been showing much.

Well, well. He stayed on the road and may have some less hp in his engine than official Skoda driver Hänninen. Second place for him is much as you´d expect in Finland and with the competition there.

[Tomi]

Well, well. He stayed on the road and may have some less hp in his engine than official Skoda driver Hänninen. Second place for him is much as you´d expect in Finland and with the competition there.

Finishing second was good, but the stagetimes on friday not so good, Hänninen did not drive the official works Skoda, also he did not have any test before the rally.

[Rallyper]

[quote="Juha_Koo"]Just arrived home from this year's rally. And what a rally it was! Many many great fights, lot's of action and nice conditions plus awesome atmosphere. AND WHO'S THE WINNER?!?! IT'S JML! :crazy: :bounce:

Hey guys, what did I say back in 26th day?



Hello Juha!

Look at the pickém. Who was the first to pick JML? :)

Great win! And I´m as happy as you are!

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/755/755_mikko_hirvonen_c6894d6b8d.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/755/755_latvala__hirvonen_5a8da974cc.jpg


http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/755/755_atmosfera_fd75d3d173.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2010/755/755_atmosfera_dae3315ef0.jpg

Photos from 60th jubilee Rally Finland show HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=755&fseason=2010) ;)

[Juha_Koo]

Hello Juha!

Look at the pickém. Who was the first to pick JML? :)

Great win! And I´m as happy as you are!

Nice! :D

Rallyper, after all, were you at the Himos jump in the small road? I was there during the first pass through and then we switched to a high speed right hander that surprised us all, very wide lines there...

Sirkkamäki was a bit of a disappointment because we were supposed to get a call how to get to a good place but that never happened and we had to spectate two rounds on a field in not a very special place. All in all, a very nice rally, even though I always get this very empty feeling when it's all over. :rolleyes: I'm just so happy that JML won. I've always said that he's going to be a future champion but now I'm 100% sure that he'll really do it one day.

[Rallyper]

Juha!
No I was at the start of Surkee (saw Hannu Mikkola there) first km on a field and then went down to Leustu P3, both on first loop.

After that I unfortenately had to go to Turku and the ferry back home to Sweden. So I only heard on news that he won. But today at home at the PC I´ve watched all the drama last day. Fantastic win.

At Sirkkamäki I was about one K from start on the fast left downhill, and there was one N4 car off there and ripped off the right front wheel. Then some of the first S2000 cars (though after Gardemeister) did som spectacular breaking before that bend. I heard some heavy bumps, so he must have hit something beside the road at breaking before that bend. I was then about to leave the stage.

And - being much older than you, I remember when I was younger the feeling of emptyness when some big event was over. ;)

Now we´ve have to wait another year.....

[A.F.F.]

It has been a long time since I last time wrote a report from a rally. So I might as weel do so now.

Our rally started at thursday evening from SS1. I was watching in the middle of downhill from Laajavuori towards the end. In a special stage like this, it's no wonder you may see more drunks than cars but you could see the fierce battle of S2000. Hänninen, PG, Rantanen and especially Ketomaa were absolutely crazy in that downhill. So, start for the rally was made. After that we briefly visited HQ just to notice it was about to get closed.

Next morning my companion did something he had never ever done in his life. He was still asleep while I finished my breakfast. So, an hour behind our schedule, we ´rushed to Urria stage. Amazingly, and thanks to my driving skills, we got there in time. Unfortunately the location we spectated wasn't any special. Basicly it was a long straigth with small crest. After that we went to Jukojärvi on the second run. That was a very good place to watch. There we heard that Mikko has rolled his car badly. While sitting there on a fallen log I thought WTF I was doing there. But continued our journey to the east side of Jyväskylä, in order to get the first run of Myhinpää stage.

A brief word about the two day rally .... competitionwise it was a great choise from the organizors. But from a spectator point of view it was totally BS. From the first stages in the morning, it was more than 100 km to the ones at the afternoon. And since there was a strom at previous night, northern route was limited. So we drove there through Jyväskylä like million others :mark: Finally we got there, at P2. There was a queue was more than tow kms because there were two people selliong parking tiockets. And they didn't just sell them, they chatted with people without any rush... so, the queue got longer and longer. I was pretty pissed off when I reach the lad selling the ticket. Once I got my car parked, I noticed that no-one wasn't walking to the stage. There was a free non-stop busdrive to the stage. Now, mark my word; non-stop.... Once the bus got to the parking place, it took 17 minuted to load two busses with people ??? 17 minutes ??? I got so angry that I refused to go there since there was no chance of getting there in time. Now, somebody might just wonder why I didn't walk to the stage?? Well, it was 8 kilometer walk... So, just to get back we left right away and took the second run of Laajavuori. It was good but i was really disappointed because I would have wanted to see Myhinpää.

next morning was awfull, not because ot the weather but because I had a huge migraine. We still went to the first stage of the day, Kavala or was it?? Anyway, we found just amazing location. No marshalls anywhere and loooong view of the cars with curves and small crest. Plus, my migraine finally was standing away. There Kimi went off just in front of our eyes :D

Sadly, I heard that the other party of my friends didn't have just as great night and morning :( But we all drove to Leustu stage where we found a pretty good place. This was the first run of Leustu. From there we went to second run of Surkee to visit more forum members. We could have had the chance to get to the last stage, Himos. But we decided not to get there because I tell you, the traffic was unbelievable there. So, we packed our staff and started to drive home while listenening rally radio. SO, somewhere at Joutsa, I heard that LAtvala won the rally :hot:

All in all, the weekend was busier than previous ones because of the schedule, the weather was great, meeting old friends and new ones from the forum, it was just another great Neste Oil Rally Finland :)

[PMM]

My photos from NORF 2010:

http://www.rallikuvat.net/2010/norf/index.php

http://rallikuvat.1g.fi/2010/norf/images/norf_16.jpg

[pettersolberg29]

Nice photos PMM. Could you PM me with what camera you use? Cheers.

[PMM]

Nice photos PMM. Could you PM me with what camera you use? Cheers.

Check the title of the gallery page ;)

[janvanvurpa]

WAIT!! Latvalpa won?!!!???

What happened to Factory Ford Star Block? 8)

[Hartusvuori]

Getting back my pieces together. Three full days of rallying is heavy even without the beer.

Friday started with both passes of Urria. We were at a nice crest right after the 90 degree left from the small road to bigger road. Hirvonen was going absolutely crazy there on both passes - and some two kilometres later on the second pass he had his off. That took out the good feeling for some time, but once Latvala took over, it didn't matter. For a Latvala fan like me, I just held my breath.

For the afternoon we choosed both runs of Sirkkamäki even if Lankamaa and Myhinpää both tempted more. That was purely to avoid traffic jams which we completely did for the whole weekend. We qued for nothing although we did shakedown and six different stages. We went to the beginning of Sirkkamäki, at the bottom of the long downhill left. Some nice sideways action there, especially from Harry Hunt on the first run and Juho Hänninen on the second run. Juha Salo went off 200 metres before us. It was a scene to remember to see Salo being pulled back to road and Jarkko Nikara passing with his bonnet up. Finnish hopes... It was bad afternoon for Finnish drivers altogether with Ketomaa and Lindroos both retiring.

For Saturday morning we went to Kolonkulma. Something around 4 kms into the stage, a short view of steep downhill right with small jumps. Nothing special really, except Kimi's battered car. We continued to Leustu 1, at the end of the stage to the top of the steep downhill to see if there's any jumping. A few nice jumps there, especially Petter, but nothing else really. Lots of people there also.

Then we hurried to Surkee 2 without any planning where to spectate, so we ended up to field that showed a left-hander into short uphill and then right. Ogier and Solberg came absolutely crazy there, flat out where as Latvala was clearly more careful. We left after Östberg to Himos 2. Nice spice to the rally route happened at Jämsänkoski where we saw a Fiesta Trophy car and went to chat with them. I came out that the co-driver was the son of Terry Harryman, Ari Vatanen's co-driver during Peugeot days and more, so there were some interesting stories there.

In Himos 2 we aimed for the so-called Nikara jump on the small road and oh boy what an ending it was for the rally and the current WRC cars in Finland. Front cars had big fights on, so they flew like crazy through the jump. The biggest jump however came once again from Nasser Al-Attiyah. Crazy driver, and not at all slow.

All in all very pleasant event. Saturday finish is rather perfect. Like many have said, few proper stages for Thursday would make it perfect.

Now back to rest.

[jonas_mcrae]

anyone has pictures of nr 54 Michel Jourdain? its a red and white NEXTEL Lancer Evo IX

thanks in advance

[pettersolberg29]

Check the title of the gallery page ;)

Thanks - should have noticed that really!

[Koppomsbo]

Hey Guys, remember stage 8 was a little delayed and that there was an ambulance doing the stage in between the runs?

That was me having an allergic reaction to a bee sting , sorry if i delayed the show ;)

[A.F.F.]

Hey Guys, remember stage 8 was a little delayed and that there was an ambulance doing the stage in between the runs?

That was me having an allergic reaction to a bee sting , sorry if i delayed the show ;)

Mystery solved :)

Read my report, we didn't get to the stage anyways.... :laugh:

Are you ok?

[Pinto]

WAIT!! Latvalpa won?!!!???

What happened to Factory Ford Star Block? 8)

what are you on! block drives for his own private team and he wasnt even doing the event,and you tone over latvala winning whats all that about

[Wasted Talent]

Anyone know what Juha Salo's accident was like? Big pity as he was running away with PWRC....

WT

[PMM]

Anyone know what Juha Salo's accident was like?

http://kkmotorsport.ota.fi/albumi/vuosi2010/nesteoilrally/day2/

[ste898]

it won't fit into the wrc's new "cost efficient profile".
Soon we'll have some 13 stages rallies, 1 SSS and 2x6SS stages.

Not with Mr Todt in charge as he has a lot of common sense.

[Miika]

A summary vid of Kankkunen´s one-off farewell comeback to the WRC + some of his thoughts about today´s WRC and cars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK_4Bq6QO2A

[N.O.T]

what is he saying to latvala at the end? and what he replies back ?

Amazing video :) :)

[Miika]

Juha: "F#cking great"
JML: "Thank you Juha. It went like we talked yesterday"
Juha: "It went just like I said yesterday that if you want to win rallies sometimes you have to lead the rally."
JML: "Exactly. And you have the experience of that."

Something like that, apparently JML and Juha had a bit of chat during day one and it never hurts to have a legend like that to talk to now does it.

[A.F.F.]

what is he saying to latvala at the end? and what he replies back ?

Amazing video :) :)

He said:
KKK-"F***ing great"."
JML-"Thank you Juha, it went just like it supposed to"
KKK-"It went just like we talked yesterday that sometimes you have to lead the rally if you are going to win it."
JML-"Precisely that's how it goes, you have the experience of it."



Personally, I was very glad to see him live driving for the last time on WRC level :) Very smooth lines he took, very smooth.

[A.F.F.]

Oh, should have refreshed the page before posting... :D

[SubaruNorway]

Hey Guys, remember stage 8 was a little delayed and that there was an ambulance doing the stage in between the runs?

That was me having an allergic reaction to a bee sting , sorry if i delayed the show ;)

Couldn't you have had it a bit earlier?? Just made the start anyway cos of that stupid shopping center junction and left after a few cars, wouldn't have made it at all if i hadn't found a tractor road around the shopping center hehe

[Tomi]

A summary vid of Kankkunen´s one-off farewell comeback to the WRC + some of his thoughts about today´s WRC and cars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK_4Bq6QO2A

is this editing done by you?

[Hipo1990]

Finally I found pic of impreza nr 95 but this is not the real 555 what I think :( http://www.nutspix.com/2010/neste/neste1049.jpg

[Miika]

is this editing done by you?

Yes, a quick and violent edit from a few sources, nothing fancy this time. The quality should improve to normal as the processing of the video is completed.

[AndyRAC]

He said:
KKK-"F***ing great"."
JML-"Thank you Juha, it went just like it supposed to"
KKK-"It went just like we talked yesterday that sometimes you have to lead the rally if you are going to win it."
JML-"Precisely that's how it goes, you have the experience of it."



Personally, I was very glad to see him live driving for the last time on WRC level :) Very smooth lines he took, very smooth.

Lucky you! What a legend Juha is, it was great seeing him back. He's so smooth and laid back.

[Tomi]

Yes, a quick and violent edit from a few sources, nothing fancy this time. The quality should improve to normal as the processing of the video is completed.

i think you always do very good stuff, a real pro

[Cloverleaf]

i think you always do very good stuff, a real pro
Very good stuff indeed.

[BDunnell]

What a legend Juha is, it was great seeing him back. He's so smooth and laid back.

And what an indictment of certain other drivers in WRC cars that Kankkunen, with the greatest of respect to him a driver of the past, should have been battling around their pace. I exclude Raikkonen from this for obvious reasons.

[AndyRAC]

And what an indictment of certain other drivers in WRC cars that Kankkunen, with the greatest of respect to him a driver of the past, should have been battling around their pace. I exclude Raikkonen from this for obvious reasons.

I wonder who you can be talking about? On some other forum, you can't say a bad word about him.....

[N.O.T]

Thank you for the translation and indeed pro editing...i thought it was a feature from TV...very good job.

[BDunnell]

I wonder who you can be talking about? On some other forum, you can't say a bad word about him.....

Not one driver in particular.

[ProRally]

A summary vid of Kankkunen´s one-off farewell comeback to the WRC + some of his thoughts about today´s WRC and cars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK_4Bq6QO2A

Is taken of You Tube ?

[Timole]

NORF pics from me HERE (http://rallyphotos.pri.ee/index.php?page=1&gallery=3&lang=).

[Miika]

Is taken of You Tube ?

I´ll re-upload the video later today cause in the first try the video stayed in low-quality pixel mess mode even after it was processed, and I want it to be the best possible quality. Juha of all deserves the best.

[pino]

Personally, I was very glad to see him live driving for the last time on WRC level :) Very smooth lines he took, very smooth.

Same here, he was the "cherry on the cake" as we say in Italy, because once again I've enjoyed every single minute of this event, starting from the great company, nice weather, the excitment of watching the wrc cars for the last time in Finland, Latvala's great win, Petter's and Ogier's amazing performances :up: and the great day spent in Helsinki with cool friends...before going home. Thanks thanks thanks :D

[Wasted Talent]

Juha Salo accident

http://kkmotorsport.ota.fi/albumi/vuosi ... ally/day2/ (http://kkmotorsport.ota.fi/albumi/vuosi2010/nesteoilrally/day2/)

Thanks - looks a real shame he couldn't get back on the road - doesn't look like any major damage - why didn't he super-rally?

WT

[Rallyper]

Thanks - looks a real shame he couldn't get back on the road - doesn't look like any major damage - why didn't he super-rally?

WT

I was there and saw he broke right front wheel. Car not driveable.

[Petris]

My images from Rally Finland ;)

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=935&fotograf=135&all=1

lot more... Take a good position, a coffee and sandwich and click slideshow on... Enjoy :D

http://www.petriskog.com/Motorsport/Rally under Rally Finland gallery..

[Wasted Talent]

I was there and saw he broke right front wheel. Car not driveable.

Ah, thanks!

WT

[Juha_Koo]

Hartusvuori's JML-flag spotted in many pictures and in television, smart move to put it next to that commercial banner... ;)

[Miika]

A summary vid of Kankkunen´s one-off farewell comeback to the WRC + some of his thoughts about today´s WRC and cars:

OK a new link for the KKK summary, and also I added 5 more minutes of new stuff to the video thanks to the new 15min time limit by youtube. Still something weird about the source video but hopefully the quality is somewhat bearable:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nc5LdczTY8

[N.O.T]

could we please have the video in downloable format with high quality...i would appreciate it very much since Juha is my all time favourite and i would like to have his last WRC outing in my HD.

[Miika]

A .wmw is all I´ve got of this video, no DVD-quality or such available since the original source material was mainly from a web stream, not from telly. So check if this works:
http://rapidshare.com/files/410615763/Juha_Comeback_WRC_Finland_2010.wmv

[Markko]

Here are some photos from Neste Oil Rally Finland 2010. We hope you like them. Soon there will be photos from IRC Rali Vinho Madeira and WRC ADAC Rally Germany too.

[N.O.T]

A .wmw is all I´ve got of this video, no DVD-quality or such available since the original source material was mainly from a web stream, not from telly. So check if this works:
http://rapidshare.com/files/410615763/Juha_Comeback_WRC_Finland_2010.wmv

this will do..thank you very much.

[Salist]

My images from Rally Finland ;)

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=935&fotograf=135&all=1

lot more... Take a good position, a coffee and sandwich and click slideshow on... Enjoy :D

http://www.petriskog.com/Motorsport/Rally under Rally Finland gallery..

Very nice photos...thanks.

[Allar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9n_B06p2_8

[Allyc85]

^ Agreed top work :D

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/image_browse.php?id=50690

[MTA]

My pictures http://www.rallyfoto.se

Just a great rally as usually, we will definitely be back next year!

[janvanvurpa]

what are you on! block drives for his own private team and he wasnt even doing the event,and you tone over latvala winning whats all that about

well it's just that I read Blockie-boys "press release for Immediate release" that said his signing up for Ford was "one of the biggest events--or deals--in WRC History" and all his fans call him a "rally god" and a "Rally superstar" and since we all know that Thousand Lakes, sometimes known as Rally Finland is the greatest event in the known Galaxy, it seems to make some kind of sense that a "Factory" rally God would be in ralli paradis that is WRC Finland, and naturally fighting for the win...

the big question is why wasn't he there, it is the hardest event and he told me personally ''I'm a very competitive type of guy'' which means to me you seek out the hardest competition you can find, stand toe-to-toe with the baddest guys...
here was the baddest guys and the best event in the whole world...and where was our favorite ''Rally God''?

Latvalpa, he's a good boy, and he drove well-- what can one say here that means anything compared to good driving he---and a few others including 51 year old, god knows how long since he drove real stages Juha K. ---did
I think he was there to have fun and not hurt the boys who were doing more than one guest star appearance, in other words it looked like he didn't intend to embarrass the wilson child or the progress of Norrmannen Östberg, but I have a gut feeling that he could have given them 'däng' if he wanted--he hasn't forgotten. Heja Juha!

[I am evil Homer]

Because it clashed with the X-Games, an event that gets more air time and publicity for his sponsors than any rally will ever do.

[KKSF]

Some crashes and close calls. KKSF video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTTpL404s3g

[J4MIE]

I think you can say it was a "frustrating" rally for us.

First of all, the heat on Thursday was really unbearable, you kind of expect it if you go to Greece or Jordan but not Finland. It was really uncomfortable and not pleasant at all. We were very glad it got cooler over the next few days, not least because our hire car would not go up hills with the AC on (but at least it had it) Secondly, though before I thought the schedule was ok giving the chance to see quite a few stages, in reality it was nearly impossible with the traffic and having to see only the top cars before moving to another stage. I think it's much better to just sit at two stages repeated and watch all of the cars and be far more relaxed. And although there were plenty of friendly people around, there was far more unfriendly people than I remember, and marshals that even in my opinion were worse than ever. I mean, surely if a place in front of the tape is dangerous for spectators, then no marshal should be there either - seemed like they just didn't want to pay to get in to watch and wanted a better view.

Shakedown started quite well, were at a jump near the start, though I did stand on the outside for a few cars and moved myself as I thought it was a stupid place to be - but it was the only place I can remember with no marshals!! Then went to HQ and spent most of the afternoon there, before heading to Laajavuori to meet AFF and Pino, though due to the traffic we got there pretty late.
Started off in Urria jump on Friday, then decided to move back towards the car to allow us to get away a bit faster, was at a nice flat right where most were quite sideways to flick it into the following left hander.

We then went onto Myhinpaa but even though we took the "scenic route" and avoided most of the main road to Jyvaskyla, when we arrived the stupid bus system meant that we had no chance of making the stage, so went and had a nice meal and then back to Laajavuori, luckily it was a nice corner and everyone was very fast through there.

Then we headed to the car park of SS12 and parked the car and put our tent up and had something to eat, before really spoiling everythiing by saying "isn't this just brilliant" :down: Big mistake. A few minutes later a guy turned up in his van wanting to turn around and he obviously thought we had comitted a terrible crime by parking at the back of a turning area, and he was mad, very agressive and expecting us to understand the sign which he said we should be 10m further back. My Finnish vocabulary isn't that good to be honest but I had no chance of reading that sign, and he obviously expected us to understand it and didnt have any excuse for parking there, even the guys next to where we had poarked suddenly joined in with him which I was annoyed at as they had helped us park there in the first place. So, rather than stay and put up with all this nonsense we decided to leave and put the tent up in a car park off the main road.

The overnight rain meant it took us longer to pack the tent up the next morning so we were late for the stage and decided against going in. We then followed AFF and Pino to the next stage which was fantastic, everyone including the marshals were relaxed, plenty space to watch and a decent corner :up: We then went to Surkee where they headed off to meet janneppi but we decided to stay at the main corner which was ok, then were planning to go to Himos but passing Leustu decided we had enough time to go in to Novikov's jump, of course there was no space but it was ok, though a Latvian guy confirmed that I am just stupid because I declined his offer of vodka and cigarettes.....

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs266.snc4/39644_10150233234410612_529115611_14104844_2840768 _n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs115.ash2/39106_10150233234860612_529115611_14104876_6527976 _n.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs215.snc4/39106_10150233234850612_529115611_14104874_3508291 _n.jpg

[jiipee64]

My experience of this years rally is quite positive.

I had 4 swiss guys visiting with the usual gang of idiots :)

Shakedown in the middle just to get to the feeling.

Laajavuori 1 on top of the tarmac section. Kinda boring though the 131 Abarth saved a lot.

Friday started with Urria 1 on the big jump.
Exellent jumps and my swiss friend got the piece from Latvala's car so his day started well. On Urria 2 the group split. Two guys stayed at the Hirvonen's jump and saw something really special and the rest of of the gang were lifting Semerad about 6 minutes on a righthander about 1 km later.

Then to Sirkkamäki 1 and 2 to see action at the end of the stage. Nothing special exept the Nikara's driving with his bonnet up.

Next Laajavuori 2 at the hairpin. Really nice spot not alot of people and what a variety of driving lines and techniques...

Saturday started with Kolonkulma at the rallycross track. Again the variety of lines taking that right hander on tarmac is huge. Kimi drove with open doors and puncture.

Then to Leustu 1 at Saakoski junction. Nothing special there exept one of the swiss guys really got the hang of rallying when a big stone almost hit him.

Last stage was Himos 2 where we were close to finish to see first some action and then the celebrations. Finest moment was when Kankkunen congratulated Latvala!!! :up:

All in all very easy rally. Not much traffic. Of course I know when and where to go if You want to avoid traffic. We saw 9/10 stages and saw speed and jumps. My guests were very satisfied to the rally. The two day format seems to work OK.

[Rallyper]

What really annoying me is the marshals stopping you from walking on stage road some 60-90 minutes before first car.

That makes people angry and stop up the public. Then signs should be even in english so that the international public can be avare of what to do and not to do.

This year I also notice that marked places for tenting was very few. That is against the very heritage of Finland. You should have the possibility to put up your tent at many prepared places during the rally. And not as now right in the cut clear forest with tree branches all over, places not mentionable...

Tha rally is the best in the series but there are much more to do to make foreign visitors more comfortable with the around matters.

[J4MIE]

What really annoying me is the marshals stopping you from walking on stage road some 60-90 minutes before first car.

That makes people angry and stop up the public. Then signs should be even in english so that the international public can be avare of what to do and not to do.

This year I also notice that marked places for tenting was very few. That is against the very heritage of Finland. You should have the possibility to put up your tent at many prepared places during the rally. And not as now right in the cut clear forest with tree branches all over, places not mentionable...

Tha rally is the best in the series but there are much more to do to make foreign visitors more comfortable with the around matters.

Agree totally, luckily I know from forum members that these annoying people were not the usual case in Finland, but as it is I don't think my dad will ever go back, which is a shame as I wanted him to see Rally Finland as it is, maybe I was just expecting too much :(

[Addicted]

Jamie, Rallyper and all others, you should send some feedback to organisers because they are responsibles for most of those problems you´ve had. My personal opinion of this years rally is that it had nice battles and great driving but there were much more problems with marshalls and even with the organising body than previous years.

Maybe they´re really trying to get rid off all spectators, only for VIP visitors because they give more money to organisation?

[Tomi]

This year I also notice that marked places for tenting was very few. That is against the very heritage of Finland. You should have the possibility to put up your tent at many prepared places during the rally. And not as now right in the cut clear forest with tree branches all over, places not mentionable...

As far as i know so do we still have this everymans right in Finland, that means that you can put up your tent where ever you like, aslong you dont do any damage or disturb, meaning not closer than about 200m to someones house, you dont need any signs to tell.

[N.O.T]

That is the main reason i am very sceptical of visiting events in civilised countries....the marshals being way too strict and "by the book", which ruins the experience. People standing 20-30 meters away from the stages and marked "no go" areas are in some absurd places which are perfect to watch the event and only a freak accident could cause trouble.

My plans included Germany and finland this year but when i go to an event i want to have some freedom. So i think france or spain and GB will replace those.

[AndyRAC]

Well if you go to GB, bring plenty of money! It's the most expensive round for tickets in the WRC. However, it's a lot more relaxed than it was a few years ago regarding moving out of the 'pens'.

[MJW]

As for the money side of things Finland rally pass cost me €55 compared with £90 for GB. However, in Finland there was a €5 charge every time you parked the car, and €8 for the stupid bus stage (Myhinppa) - like Jamie above we missed the whole of the first running, despite being in the queue for the bus 2 hours before the stage, got into the stage just in time for second run, and people were waiting to leave. When after about 20 cars we decided to leave the queue for the departing bus was getting so long that spectators were on the stage at a crossing point!! We decided to walk, the 8 kms back to the car park. Imagine the reaction (especially on British Rally Forum) had that occured in GB. Have been to Finland several times before,(and has been my favourite) sad to say 2010 will be my last for a long time. Crowds and traffic jams, costs, fuel at €1,41 per litre, let alone food and drink prices....... it was as expensive as GB, and that event has taken a lot of bad press re costs for spectating.

[N.O.T]

well 90-100 BPs are not that expensive compared to other well organised events that have tickets, the only drawback is that the championships will be over by then so the only reason to visit the rally will be to see if solberg manages to win it in his last appearance in the WRC.

[AndyRAC]

As for the money side of things Finland rally pass cost me €55 compared with £90 for GB. However, in Finland there was a €5 charge every time you parked the car, and €8 for the stupid bus stage (Myhinppa) - like Jamie above we missed the whole of the first running, despite being in the queue for the bus 2 hours before the stage, got into the stage just in time for second run, and people were waiting to leave. When after about 20 cars we decided to leave the queue for the departing bus was getting so long that spectators were on the stage at a crossing point!! We decided to walk, the 8 kms back to the car park. Imagine the reaction (especially on British Rally Forum) had that occured in GB. Have been to Finland several times before,(and has been my favourite) sad to say 2010 will be my last for a long time. Crowds and traffic jams, costs, fuel at €1,41 per litre, let alone food and drink prices....... it was as expensive as GB, and that event has taken a lot of bad press re costs for spectating.


Oh dear, it seems the Finns have cottoned on to the fact there's plenty of money to be made from the Rally.

[Tomi]

That is the main reason i am very sceptical of visiting events in civilised countries....the marshals being way too strict and "by the book", which ruins the experience. People standing 20-30 meters away from the stages and marked "no go" areas are in some absurd places which are perfect to watch the event and only a freak accident could cause trouble.

I think that the main problem with our marchals, is that many are there for the first time, nowdays its difficult to find volunteers so they bring people in from all over the country.
Also the spectator safety has become much stricter lately, I had a long talk about this a few years back with our Feds. ex. Boss A. Syvälahti, and the guy who fly the chopper before they start the stage, the chopper guy said then that FIA will take theese things more seriously, Like we can see by now, rallies who cant match certain level getts dropped like Monte, they did run a rally for years with 40-60% shortage of marchals.
I hope all of you who was present send feedback to AKK, what you think about this year's rally, it was only a test, because of the anniversery rally.

[MJW]

My feedback has already been sent to AKK. Dont get me wrong, the stages and commitment of the drivers, even down to the last C2 and Fiesta was brilliant. It was the crowds, marshalls, and costs, plus the two day format I didnt like. Also noted that central Finland hasnt escaped the recession, lots of closed businesses, from roadside grilli to factory units closed.

[Tomi]

My feedback has already been sent to AKK. Dont get me wrong, the stages and commitment of the drivers, even down to the last C2 and Fiesta was brilliant. It was the crowds, marshalls, and costs, plus the two day format I didnt like. Also noted that central Finland hasnt escaped the recession, lots of closed businesses, from roadside grilli to factory units closed.

I usually go in good time to the stages, and often have a talk with the marshalls, actually its quite easy, if they are new its just to tell them how the cars take the line in that particular place, same goes with good spectating spots, no problem with those either sofar in any rally.

[Rallyper]

My most sad experience regarding extra high security was the start of Sirkkamäki, where we had to walk beside the road for about 1 k about 90 minutes before first car. In some other stages the marshals where quite relaxed though. But generally it´s diifficult to move on in the stages before first car.

Regarding costs Finland is no way more expensive than others. And the feeling around the event is still just great!

As a experienced rallyfan you have to learn to act about 180 degrees from every man. Then you have no problems with queing and things.

(that means off course not that you´re visiting stages at other times, than when they´re used... :D )

[emk]

marked "no go" areas are in some absurd places which are perfect to watch the event and only a freak accident could cause trouble.


Most of "no go"-areas in absurd places are caused from the fact that the landowner hasn't allowed any public to go to that area.

For couple of years there has been a clear rule for walking on the road: 1 hour before start road is closed from public. It has worked well but this year there were problems due to the historic-cars, road was closed for walking actually an hour before their starting time (for example in Sirkkamäki) and it was not clearly mentioned.

Yet still the biggest problem with the marshals is, as someone already said, the fact that they are not familiar with this event or even with the whole rally thing. They have instructions and they just follow them... And it's not easy for them too!

And as we have huge crowds, there's a big part of audience (finnish&foreign) who have never been to a rally, and it's a big concern for the organisers. There's no way you could keep it as free as in some less crowded rallys or we would have huge amounts of stage cancellations, or worse, horrific accidents.

Anyway, didn't have any problems, loose schedule, small roads and relaxed mind are the thins to remember in Rally Finland.

[N.O.T]

I usually go in good time to the stages, and often have a talk with the marshalls, actually its quite easy, if they are new its just to tell them how the cars take the line in that particular place, same goes with good spectating spots, no problem with those either sofar in any rally.

talking to them is the solution but it gets difficult to communicate when you are not a local and get your point across.

I very rarely spectate from the spots indicated by the guides. what i do is i run through the stages i want to see on shakedown day mark the valid parking places and then search for something interesting close by....the fact that the marshals in some events won't allow walking through the stage even 2-3 hours before the start really annoys me, so i prefer events with more relaxed spectating rules ususally in mediterranean/balkan/south europe countries.

[Rallyper]

I really have to underline that for me this is the last 10% of the rally we´re discussing.

On the whole NORF is a great rally, that could be a little better.... ;)

[Zep]

I think that the main problem with our marchals, is that many are there for the first time, nowdays its difficult to find volunteers so they bring people in from all over the country.


One "problem" nowadays are onboard cameras. HQ can view those live and if they see something that they don't allow, marshalls get noticed right away and if problem won't get solved, stage will be cancelled...

That's what marshall told me after the rally.

Sorry to say but mr. Harjanne seemed to take this rally to wrong route... Mainly the problems are caused by the organisers with just REALLY poor pre-event planning. That was the case with Myhinpää 2009 and first year of modern Urria.

[Tomi]

One "problem" nowadays are onboard cameras. HQ can view those live and if they see something that they don't allow, marshalls get noticed right away and if problem won't get solved, stage will be cancelled...

That's what marshall told me after the rally.

Sorry to say but mr. Harjanne seemed to take this rally to wrong route... Mainly the problems are caused by the organisers with just REALLY poor pre-event planning. That was the case with Myhinpää 2009 and first year of modern Urria.

Yes, i think they did try to find some replacement for Ouninpohja, and of the old stages Myhinpää maybe is closest if think about road character, and not to far away, but next year Ouninpohja will be back, so there is no need for pathetic buss transportations.

[Fomchenkov Andrey]

Photo Neste Oil Rally Finland 2010 (http://www.worldrally.ru/best/2010/fin/)

[Salist]

Photo Neste Oil Rally Finland 2010 (http://www.worldrally.ru/best/2010/fin/)

Andrey:

Thanks, brilliant photos...congratulations!

[modri dirkac]

Andrey, some photos are really great! :eek:

[Fomchenkov Andrey]

Andrey, some photos are really great! :eek:
Thanks,
If at you the small monitor, look other gallery, gallery not Flash (small photos):
Rally Finland 2010 (small photos) (http://www.worldrally.ru/gallery.php?album=103)

[SubaruNorway]

My video from Finland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eBscMjb_es

[pino]

My video from Finland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eBscMjb_es

Great video :up:

[Fomchenkov Andrey]

My video from Finland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eBscMjb_es
Good video, confidently you hold the car in a shot...

[A.F.F.]

However, in Finland there was a €5 charge every time you parked the car, and €8 for the stupid bus stage (Myhinppa) - .

They charged 8€ for that bus ??? Unbelievable.

I have already written an e-mail about Myhinpää Park 2 and about the marshalls there. Haven't gotten a reply yet. I will send another and nother until I receive the reply :mark:

I can nothing but agree about this year's schedule... it was too tight. Altought we basicly got every stage we wanted, it needed overspeed, running, less sleep, less food, more coffee and a migraine.

Wrong direction from the NORF-staff :down:

Competitionwise, I think it worked...

[MikeD]

Hi,

Can anybody help me with some photos of Jouni Arolainen in his Focus 05?

Thanks in advance

[alexlake]

Andrey:

Thanks, brilliant photos...congratulations!

wow what shots!

[A.F.F.]

Photo Neste Oil Rally Finland 2010 (http://www.worldrally.ru/best/2010/fin/)

:up:

Best photos I've seen so far....

[wwbroe]

Brillant photo's indeed, really great shots. :)

[noel157]

+1. Superb.

[Koppomsbo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9iBu2RX9zQ

[garais22]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytUFEObyQTE&feature=channel

[6789]

Here are my pics from Finland.. Had an awesome time

http://www.rallysportmag.com.au/home/index.php?option=com_ponygallery&func=viewcategory&catid=92&Itemid=122#category

[Loeb 05]

Hi all,

With delay, here are my pics from my first experience in the most spectacular rally so far !

http://only-rally.com/index.php?option=com_igallery&view=gallery&id=31&Itemid=147

Enjoy !

[A.F.F.]

Hi all,

With delay, here are my pics from my first experience in the most spectacular rally so far !

http://only-rally.com/index.php?option=com_igallery&view=gallery&id=31&Itemid=147

Enjoy !

Very nice pics and I see you have been all over the place :)

[harriswrc]

And here are some of my photos thanks to http://www.r40.gr

http://www.r40.gr/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=84450

[Barreis]

Nice photos..

[CrazyLeo]

Anyone knows where to get on board (in car) footage from 2010 Rally Finland?

Usually, there's some here (https://www.racing-underground.com/index.ru?cls=25&cid=2&scid=71&page=3), but not this time.

[Juha_Koo]

Anyone knows where to get on board (in car) footage from 2010 Rally Finland?

Usually, there's some here (https://www.racing-underground.com/index.ru?cls=25&cid=2&scid=71&page=3), but not this time.

As for every WRC round, check out http://www.youtube.com/wrc

[CrazyLeo]

By the way, here's our experience of rally Finland: http://crazyleo.net/2010/08/the-best-first-podium-ever-2010-rallye-baie-des-chaleurs-part-1/

[CrazyLeo]

By the way, here's our experience of rally Finland: http://crazyleo.net/2010/08/the-best-first-podium-ever-2010-rallye-baie-des-chaleurs-part-1/

oops, wrong link. This is the right one: http://crazyleo.net/2010/09/amazing-rally-finland/

[Tomi]

oops, wrong link. This is the right one: http://crazyleo.net/2010/09/amazing-rally-finland/

nice you had a good rally after all the problems :)