germany rally news

[darkstar]

here´s a video from rallye melsungen last weekend, a small german rallye but with some nice shot´s :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYxGAwW6z8Y

[jolle1982]

My pictures of rally erzgebirge 2013 are online. it was the first round of the german opel adam cup. hermann gaßner senior wins in front of ruben zeltner and carsten mohe.
Pictures: http://www.rallyefreaks.de/index.php?option=com_samgallery&catid=151%3Arallye-erzgebirge&Itemid=2
Results are here: http://www.sportas.de/ergebnis/ergebnisse/ch13end.pdf

Hermann Gaßner Junior retired on stage 7.

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/erze_046_1365345869.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/erze_061_1365346150.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/erze_006_1365345737.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Hesse Rallye Vogelsberg this coming week-end(third round for Junior DS3 R1 Cup) ;)
Willkommen beim Zeitnahmeteam Saar (http://www.znts.de/)

[liposh]

Hmm, I see there was a lot of "Opel Adam Cup" cars at Rally Erzgebirge 2013. And they are generally not slow at all. So quite success for Opel. Does anybody know any details about this cup and cup cars?(I mean how much it costs for privateer to buy or rent this car etc.)

[darkstar]

yes erzgebirge was first round of the opel adam cup. winner was markus fahrner, he´s a bit older now already (33 or so) but was a promising talent some years ago with a corsa s1600. he was setting some good times at rallye germany 2005 with the old corsa for example: eWRC-results.com - results OMV ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2005 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=43&s=560&category=3&t=OMV-ADAC-Rallye-Deutschland-2005) 2nd was florian niegel who also did a few rounds with a swift s1600 and is former winner of the german suzuki cup. 3rd was a guy i never heard from before, marijan griebel...

fahrner and niegel finished 7th and 8th overall btw: http://www.sportas.de/ergebnis/index2.php?inhalt=ergebnisausgabe&rallye=CH13&datei=ZW13

Ergebnis 50. ADMV Rallye Erzgebirge
01. Markus Fahrner/Michael Wenzel 1:25:18,0
02. Florian Niegel/Thomas Fuchs +0:28,0
03. Marijan Griebel/Alexander Rath +1:07,2
04. Christian Allkofer/Kathrin Götzenberger +1:31,6
05. Dominik Dinkel/Josefine Beinke +1:56,6
06. Patrick Pusch/Robert Patzig +2:16,1
07. Fabian Kreim/Marvin Engel +2:26,4
08. Simon Lund/Ole Frederiksen +2:39,2
09. Leo Wolf/Dennis Zenz +4:21,7
10. Marcel Becher/Lennart Hahn +5:07,9

the car costs ready to race 25.000 euro. therfore you get quite a lot, its pretty much a r2 except the engine wich only has 140-145 hp.

i´m looking forward to rallye vogelsberg, it´s my homerallye and the startlist is pretty good for german standards. of course i know the stages quite well. some nice fast and very narrow asphalt parts, some gravel parts and some very fast winding roads. will be some good action i hope! :)

[Wim_Impreza]

Marijan Griebel is a young driver who has driven a Swift Sport in 2011 and last year an Astra GTC. I even have a postcard from him with the Astra. :)

[Tom206wrc]

What happened this saturday morning on SS6 Rallye Vogeslberg ??? Looks like the stage was interrupted after big crash and every crew would get notional times :confused:

[RICARDO75]

ADAC Hessen-Rallye
1. Sandro Wallenwein / Marcus Poschner (D) Subaru Impreza STI R4 1h31m17,3s
2. Ruben Zeltner / Thomas Zeltner (D) Porsche 911 GT3 +02m30,1s
3. Carsten Mohe / Steffen Rothe (D) Renault Megane RS +04m53,1s
4. Dirk Riebensahm / Kendra Reidenbach (D) Subaru Impreza STI N16 +05m03,2s
5. Reiner Hahn / Stefan Schork (D) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo +06m22,3s
6. Sebastian Wolf / Meike Zettl (D) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VIII +06m50,8s
7. Daniel Chwist / Dariusz Burkat (D) Subaru Impreza STI +07m06,2s
8. Marcel Mahr-Graulich / Katja Geyer (D) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X +07m38,4s
9. Lars Mysliwietz / Oliver Schumacher (D) Citroën DS3 R3T +07m44,0s
10. Michael Rausch / Jenny Schonk (D) Opel Ascona B 2000 +08m25,8s

[darkstar]

Sandro Wallenwein has won the rallye, the twingo r1 and ds3 r1 cup´s were rather dissapointing i must say. only a few good drivers...anyway, here´s my video, i managed to capture some good action:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J6ZfGzxjr8

[darkstar]

here´s another short clip from me, from hessen rallye vogelsberg, as the title says: a very slippery corner!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TmUezeCGUk

[Tom206wrc]

This coming week-end for his home event, Christian Riedemann(with Lara Vanneste)will drive a Citroën DS3 R1 at Pegasus Rallye Solinger Land ;)
His main opponents will be the Opel Adam Cup drivers(twenty cars) :p :

[darkstar]

stunning onboard with ruben zeltner in his porsche gt3, defenetly watch the part after 2:42!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LqVUwLD3_c

[Ucci]

stunning onboard with ruben zeltner in his porsche gt3, defenetly watch the part after 2:42!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LqVUwLD3_c

OMG, deep respect to R.Zeltner !!!

[Zelaieta Motorsports]

What a pleasure to watch this type of skilled drivers with fast and powerfull RWD cars!

He drives really smooth and under control.

[LetsGoRacingBoys]

nice

[Tom206wrc]

Opel Cup leader Marijan Griebel and Citroën Junior winner Julius Tannert at the wheels of Citroën DS3 R3 this week-end at the Saarland Rallye :p:
http://www.znts.de/

[AndyRAC]

Overall win for Porsche factory driver Timo Bernhard.


http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=806 ... allye-2013 (http://ewrc-results.com/final.php?e=8060&t=ADAC-Saarland-Rallye-2013)

[RICARDO75]

SAARLAND RALLYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCqJ9xJl5do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zCuIh1Uahs

[liposh]

According to this article: http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/nat/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2013/09/25/griebel-und-kremer-testen-fabia-s2000/index.html Marijan Griebel and Armin Kremer were testing Skoda fabia S2000 from BRR. What do we know about Marijan Griebel? I can find his results, but I would like to know more. :)

[br21]

Where I should look for results of Lausitz Rallye tomorrow and on Saturday?
Any news/results of todays shakedown?
There are few fast drivers competing this year.

[CWJ]

http://www.rallye-zeiten.de

and I think

http://www.rallye-magazin.de

[jolle1982]

Gröndal wins rally lausitz
http://www.rallye-zeiten.de/index.php?r ... Rallye_DRM (http://www.rallye-zeiten.de/index.php?r=lausitz_2013_drm&w=11&k=&m=11&b=15._Internationale_ADMV-Lausitz-Rallye_DRM)

Berlandy is german champion. Benjamin scheller wins 2wd champioship

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[rallyelee]

Foto Lausitz Rallye -> http://www.rallyesportfotos.de

reg. Jörg

[Tom206wrc]

Next month(8th march) is Rallye Pfalz-Saarland, first round of german championship ;)

The Wallenwein brothers continue to drive the championship and should be favourite overall...

This will be the first round of the Citroën Racing Trophy Deutschland with 15 entrants so far(10 DS3 R1s and 5 DS3 R3s)among them Christian Riedemann(the favourite)...

http://www.znts.de/

[Tom206wrc]

Now final entrylist Pfalz-Saarland Rallye available on the above link ;)
Looks an interesting event :cool:

[Fly]

http://znts.de/zeitnahme/live_ergebnis_ ... lye_id=182 (http://znts.de/zeitnahme/live_ergebnis_open_prae_4.php?rallye_id=182)

[rallyelee]

Pics from Saarland Rally on http://www.rallyesportfotos.de

reg. Jörg

[kawasaki128]

Kevin's (20yrs) second rallye at Kempenich Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dww8F1OebGU

[Tom206wrc]

Second round of german Citroën Racing Trophy held next week-end in Austria
http://www.lavanttal-rallye.de/

First round of german Opel Adam Cup in Erzgebirge Rallye
http://www.erzgebirgsrallye.de/

;)

[tolis]

First round of german Opel Adam Cup in Erzgebirge Rallye
http://www.erzgebirgsrallye.de/
;)
Are you sure?
http://www.adac-motorsport.de/adac-opel-rallye-cup/de/

[hsmed]

First round of german Opel Adam Cup in Erzgebirge Rallye
http://www.erzgebirgsrallye.de/


Erzgebirge Rallye does not count to the Opel Adam Cup - the first rally in the cup is Vogelsberg the 25/26th of april. However as I understand many of the Opel Adam teams will use Erzgebirge as preparation.

[Tom206wrc]

Again a strong performance by Christian Riedemann and Julius Tannert in Sachsen Rallye last week-end(4th and 5th overall) :cool:
http://www.znts.de/

[Tom206wrc]

oops !!! I looked at the wrong rally results !!! In Sachsen there was no Riedemann, Tannert finished 5th ahead of Delva(excellent Young Belgian)and Foxius... ;)

[Mirek]

Is there somebody who could give me some spectator tips for Thüringen Rallye? I will visit one my colleague in Bad Rodach in that time. He has never been to any rally but he is interested to go. I would like to show him that it's exciting sport but it's not so easy when I have never been to this particular event or any other German one :) Preferably some safe places and easy to reach. We will have his children with us.

Thank You in advance

[jolle1982]

Its better to drink beer with your friend at home mirek
There are not so much spectacular places to watch the rallye. In the last years the only specual stage i have seen was the city stage on friday afternoon the corner after the start

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[mas-racing]

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/startfoto2ORC2014_zps15281282.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McV1lrCscyA)

[tommeke_B]

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q695/freddyzonnebeke/startfoto2ORC2014_zps15281282.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McV1lrCscyA)

Spamming in the wrong topic.

[tommeke_B]

http://www.eifel-rallye-festival.de/de/nennliste.html Nice entry list to the Eifel Rallye Festival. Various famous drivers and a list of cars anyone can dream about. :) Interesting to see Pech with a Ford RS200 as well. Next to every car you can click some info button by the way, which shows more information concerning the particular car and entrant. Very interesting... :)

[stefanvv]

Awesome, hours of watching youtube videos are coming again. Nice stories with the cars and drivers.

[nafpaktos]

i read in fb about a fatal accident in germany,but found nothing here so far.can somebody inform us!!

edit
found also this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYD6z-KR9go

[nafpaktos]

No one knows???????????????????????

[CWJ]

Knows what? There is no question.

Ingo Koschmieder died.

He was without HANS in the car.

Codriver is OK.

[Mirek]

I thought it could have been the case when I saw the photos. Is it confirmed that the cause of death was broken spine?

[jolle1982]

Yes it is confirmed.

[stefanvv]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMFHdBAy1gg

[rallymen123]

Photos en ligne sur www.bvrallypics.be

Shakedown Eifel rally festival 2014

http://bvrallypics.be/?p=779&wppa-album=180&wppa-cover=0&wppa-occur=1

Eifel Rally festival 2014

http://bvrallypics.be/?p=782&wppa-album=181&wppa-cover=0&wppa-occur=1

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/rallymen123026/sized_IMG_1325_zpsdab4370d.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/rallymen123026/sized_IMG_1325_zpsdab4370d.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/rallymen123026/sized_IMG_1859_zps1da4bc0c.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/rallymen123026/sized_IMG_1859_zps1da4bc0c.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/rallymen123026/sized_IMG_2557_zps80382e6a.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/rallymen123026/sized_IMG_2557_zps80382e6a.jpg.html)
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg25/rallymen123/rallymen123026/sized_IMG_3284_zpscbd2d57f.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/rallymen123/media/rallymen123026/sized_IMG_3284_zpscbd2d57f.jpg.html)

[WRCstratos]

Great Festival for historic cars in Germany this weekend, Eifel Rallye Festival was definitely worth travelling there ;-)

Here is my video:
http://rallyfeeling.hu/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/eifelrallyfestghborito.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUd6V-x0TM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUd6V-x0TM

[Mirek]

Some more great photos from Eifel
http://www.mtfoto.cz/rally/14/eifel/index.htm

http://www.mtfoto.cz/rally/14/eifel/28.jpg
http://www.mtfoto.cz/rally/14/eifel/33.jpg

[JieM]

Video Rallye Oberehe 2014 -> http://youtu.be/gsAmUgocTN0
http://nsa34.casimages.com/img/2014/08/03/140803051104490693.jpg

[Nowi]

My photogallery from Eifel Festival 2014 at http://www.rallylife.cz/eifel-rallye-festival-2014-nowi

[CWJ]

German Championship

Galerie Wartburg Rallye 2014 with Kuipers, Al Ketbi and Zeltner

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/masters/galerien/2014/rallye-wartburg/index.html

http://www.rallyecult.alpha.webspace24.de/wartburg14/05.jpg

http://www.rallyecult.alpha.webspace24.de/wartburg14/96.jpg

[vino_93]

I'm wondering : there's plenty of events in Germany outside national championship. Are they part of a global cup ? Or are they part of "Länder" championship, or something else ?

[Tom206wrc]

Rallye Baden-Würtemberg starts this week-end ;)
Timo Bernhardt in a 207 S2000 for the first time :p:
http://www.rallye-baden-wuerttemberg.com/ergebnisse/

[manthey]

Rallye Baden-Würtemberg starts this week-end ;)
Timo Bernhardt in a 207 S2000 for the first time :p:
http://www.rallye-baden-wuerttemberg.com/ergebnisse/

I wait for his onboards
I follow him since alms with rs spyder

[Ucci]

This weekend is almost historical-Ruben Zeltner became a German rally champion! Porsche 911 took a crown again after year 1977!!!
I hope that factory Porsche AG will recognize the meaning of this victory-it can be a good marketing tool.

[Mirek]

This weekend is almost historical-Ruben Zeltner became a German rally champion! Porsche 911 took a crown again after year 1977!!!
I hope that factory Porsche AG will recognize the meaning of this victory-it can be a good marketing tool.

Unfortunately I doubt there is a big interest in DRM in Germany. We have a factory close to a Thüringen rally area and I don't know a single person who would at least once spectated. All local colleagues I spoke with don't even know that some rally is held there (even one who follows motorsport and regularly attends for example DTM)...

[Ucci]

Unfortunately I doubt there is a big interest in DRM in Germany. We have a factory close to a Thüringen rally area and I don't know a single person who would at least once spectated. All local colleagues I spoke with don't even know that some rally is held there (even one who follows motorsport and regularly attends for example DTM)...

I belive you Mirek, I also know some guys from Germany, working for Porsche AG and they do not have any clue over many 911 racing in their national championship (good forbid to ask them who is Vallejo, Tuthill, Nantes....). On the other hand they know everything over German football legauge......shame and patetic...
Anyway Mirek, you must admit that Zeltner is one hell of a driver.....

[Mirek]

I don't want to judge. German championship isn't really strong in terms of competition. Also I have never seen him on stages live. Once I could if he didn't crash on SS1 in our Rally Lužické Hory :)

[stefanvv]

I don't want to judge. German championship isn't really strong in terms of competition. Also I have never seen him on stages live. Once I could if he didn't crash on SS1 in our Rally Lužické Hory :)

There are some onboards from Rallye Deutchland 2012 on youtube. Recommended:)

[CWJ]

I don't want to judge. German championship isn't really strong in terms of competition. Also I have never seen him on stages live. Once I could if he didn't crash on SS1 in our Rally Lužické Hory :)

Mirek, I think he never contented in Rally Lužické Hory :) Next year there will be a chance for going some international RGT events for his team. And I'm sure he is able to match other GT topdrivers in all new rallys.

Solong njoy two 2014 videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0a1T06Fn-A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G_EQD_RP2c

[Mirek]

Hups, sorry, You are right. That was Stölzel... Zeltner is faster driver than Stölzel, right? Good that he is going to do the RGT cup. I wish it is a success!

[manthey]

Rallye Baden-Würtemberg starts this week-end ;)
Timo Bernhardt in a 207 S2000 for the first time :p:
http://www.rallye-baden-wuerttemberg.com/ergebnisse/

Timo finished 3rd!
do you know about any onboard of him?

[CWJ]

Good that he is going to do the RGT cup. I wish it is a success!

I didn't say R-GT cup but suppose international rallys since he is trying to get a R-GT homologation for his car.

[jolle1982]

wrc2 driver starts on last weekend on an german amateur rally in a trabant 601. Here is a funny onboard on one stage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLVyRAt2cxbxv_AihZ1X70zj9j9sG5cRga&v=pCsaF7JkzkI#t=60

[Mirek]

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/rallyes/masters/nachrichten/news-detail/d/2014/11/17/skoda-mit-kreim-zurueck-in-die-drm/index.html

22- years old Opel Adam driver Fabian Kreim replaces Sepp Wiegand in Škoda Deutschland! Co-driver Frank Christian stays. The crew will do DRM. No word about any international starts. Bitter for Wiegand. He was gradually improving all the time he was in Škoda and I think he deserved one more season.

[stefanvv]

Yeah, probably pity for him, he seemed to improve this season on asphalt Rallies, would like to see what will happen with Fabia R5.

[Tom206wrc]

This coming week-end there's the Südliche Weinstrasse Rallye, that many drivers use as test to prepare the first round of the championship(Saarland Rally in two week) ;)

http://www.rallye-suedliche-weinstrasse.de/

[Tom206wrc]

Where to find live results of Rallye Südliche Weinstrasse :confused:

[Filip]

Try here:
http://www.rallye-suedliche-weinstrasse.de/ergebnisse/
but there are only results of SS, and no final results.

[Tom206wrc]

Very interesting: french driver Stéphane Consani entered the Rallye Baden-Würtemberg this week-end and runs the german Citroën Racing Trophy in a DS3 R3T(a car he knows well) ;)

First leg started this evening friday with three night stages, and if Consani did an average time on SS1 and 2, he was fastest by quite big margin on SS3 :)

His lateness to CRT leader Patrick Pusch is 21" but tomorrow saturday in the day light Stéphane can improve a lot ;)

http://www.znts.de/

[br21]

any news about entries for Lausitz? I heard about Latvala in historic Audi.
Looks like I will go, anyone else from Forum also coming?

[Ralph-Mario]

for now : 4 R5 :p 2x Citroen, 1xFord, 1x Skoda....

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/nat/nachrichten/artikel/d/2015/10/10/latvala-kommt-mit-dem-audi-in-die-lausitz/

[br21]

from what I know at least 2x Fiesta R5 coming from abroad

[WUff1]

Curious what Zeltner will do next year. With bigger restrictor DRM seems uninteresting.

[MartijnS]

Latvala confirmed.

[CWJ]

Curious what Zeltner will do next year. With bigger restrictor DRM seems uninteresting.

In Germany 2016 only FIA R-GT will be allowed for pionts so the restrictor will be smaller not bigger...

[WUff1]

In Germany 2016 only FIA R-GT will be allowed for pionts so the restrictor will be smaller not bigger...

Of course, sorry!

Same in Austria.

[Ralph-Mario]

Lausitz : 8x R5, two from Austria ?

[WUff1]

Lausitz : 8x R5, two from Austria ?

Probably BRR if it´s true

[VFTS]

Anders Grondal will drive his Citroën DS3 R5

[hari]

Probably BRR

For sure not BRR

[liposh]

...but just to make it clear, BRR is the only austrian team which owns (any) R5 car, right?

[hari]

No also others. Harrach has Fiesta R5 for rent and Stohl DS3 R5 for example.

[WUff1]

Didn´t know that Stohl has a DS3 R5.

I thought BRR because it´s the only team with two R5, but Hari of course knows about BRR directly.

[Ralph-Mario]

Lausitz Entry List :

http://www.lausitz-rallye.de/images/Nennliste/Nennungen%2018.%20ALR%20ERT.pdf

http://www.lausitz-rallye.de/images/Nennliste/Nennungen%2018.%20ALR%20Nat.pdf

[JUF]

Didn´t know that Stohl has a DS3 R5. Manfred has two DS3 R5 ;)!

[WUff1]

Manfred has two DS3 R5 ;)!

... and obviously not renting them to anybody?

[PLuto]

Lausitz Entry List :

http://www.lausitz-rallye.de/images/Nennliste/Nennungen%2018.%20ALR%20ERT.pdf

http://www.lausitz-rallye.de/images/Nennliste/Nennungen%2018.%20ALR%20Nat.pdf

Pushkar and Butvilas with R4 cars in ERT field? Strange...

[JUF]

... and obviously not renting them to anybody?
He does, but for Chinese customers ;).

[WUff1]

aha, interesting

[CWJ]

German Rally Championship 2016

04.03. - 05.03. Saarland-Pfalz Rallye, St. Wendel +Citroën (R1&R3), Opel (Cup)
15.04. - 16.04. Hessen Rallye Vogelsberg, Schlitz +HJS(Toyota R3), Opel
06.05. - 07.05. Rallye Sulinger Land, Sulingen +Citroën, Opel
20.05. - 21.05. Sachsen Rallye, Zwickau +Citroën, HJS
24.06. - 25.06. Rallye Stemweder Berg, Lübbecke +Citroën, HJS

15.07. - 16.07. Thüringen Rallye, Pößneck +HJS, Opel
05.08. - 07.08. Rallye Wartburg, Eisenach +Citroën
09.09. - 10.09. Rallye Niedersachsen, Osterode/Harz
30.09. - 01.10. Rallye Baden-Württemberg, Heidenheim +Citroën, HJS, Opel
21.10. - 22.10. 3-Städte-Rallye, Kirchham +Opel


2x4 results each half saison will count
foreign starters can score points and be champion
additional 2wd titel rc3-rc5
no wrc's allowed
only fia rgt anymore

supplementary regulations not available yet

[CWJ]

Do you think the other Porsche will become FIA R-GT ? That would grow the number of cars in this category ... and maybe give some other competitors for the RGT Cup.


the ones which are used in Germany (Noller, Stölzel, ...)

No. Nobody will do that. Small interest of black Born2Drive 997 that is running by Noller workshop but I think they will also withdraw. To much invest for less power and performance without international plans.

There is one nearly ready r-gt Porsche 997 never rallyed at motopark.com for sale or rent. Same spec as Zeltner car. I wonder why the Czech squad didnt buy that one.

[mousti]

Thierry Neuville bought a Fabia S2000 for his brother Yannick to drive some German Rallies..

[Jarek Z]

After 30 years of absence Peugeot Deutschland is back in the German Rally Championship! Last time their official driver was Michele Mouton. Who will replace her now?
http://www.adac-motorsport.de/drm/de/artikel/peugeot-deutschland-kehrt-in-die-drm-zurueck-peugeot-208-t16-startet-in-der-deutschen-rallye-meisterschaft-224315

[Fly]

Young gun from Finland with huge potential, Jari Huttunen, will be one of the favorite in this year's Adam Cup. I rate him as high as Bergkvist.

First entries for round 1 in Saarland;

http://znts.de/zeitnahme/nennliste_open.php?rallye_id=276

[Wim_Impreza]

I think Dirk Riebensahm. He drove in the past a 207 RC, a 207 S2000, a 208 T16 last year and is entered with a 208 T16 in the first round of the DRM.

[mousti]

I think Dirk Riebensahm. He drove in the past a 207 RC, a 207 S2000, a 208 T16 last year and is entered with a 208 T16 in the first round of the DRM.

A more talented guy would be better, and he already did two events with a 208.

[CWJ]

I think Dirk Riebensahm. He drove in the past a 207 RC, a 207 S2000, a 208 T16 last year and is entered with a 208 T16 in the first round of the DRM.

Riebensahm is going with another, private car. The official car will be another, wellknown team.

[jolle1982]

I think riedemann or wiegand.

[focus206]

I hope Wiegand, he deserves another chance in my opinion.

[Jarek Z]

I think riedemann or wiegand.

You are right. It is Christian Riedemann and Lara Vanneste:
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/dm/nachrichten/artikel/d/2016/02/26/riedemann-will-fuer-peugeot-den-titel-holen/

[Ucci]

You are right. It is Christian Riedemann and Lara Vanneste:
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/dm/nachrichten/artikel/d/2016/02/26/riedemann-will-fuer-peugeot-den-titel-holen/

Finnaly something positive from Germany....

[Fly]

It's on!
However, ss1 and 3 canceled because of heavy snowfalls.
http://znts.de/zeitnahme/lives/276/live_ergebnis_adac.html

[Fly]

Mexico or Saarland, same story: both Neuville out on first proper stage...

[mousti]

But won the Power Stage today.

[WUff1]

Kreim won, Riedemann only 5th.

[Fly]

But won the Power Stage today.

Yes, and his retirement on day1 was due to broken alternator. No blame on Yannick.

[Ralph-Mario]

The first Fiesta R5 in Germany : http://www.rallye-magazin.de/dm/nachrichten/artikel/d/2016/03/24/schwarz-verhilft-mandel-zum-r5-debuet/

[Fabian Gaukler]

Yesterday the Osterrallye Zerf 2016 (Easter rallye) took place in Germany. Here is my video for it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96fCFC2uGtg

[Fabian Gaukler]

And here is a shorter video for everyone who just wants to see the best action, drift and sideways:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RHGYkDar-M

[Tom206wrc]

Peugeot Deutschland driver Christian Riedemann in the lead of Hesse Volgesberg Rallye after SS6 this morning :)
What happened to Fabian Kreim who lost more than 2' in SS6 :confused:

http://www.znts.de/

[CWJ]

Yes, early leader Kreim retired after a small off with broken radiator to safe the engine. Neuville went off into a ditch for several minutes. Rooky Mandel finnished third in his first 4x4 rally. Riedemann won.

[giù tutto!]

So Rallye Sulingen will start today. What are expectations? Kreim or Riedemann? How about Opel Cup? It has been a little bit weird that a Finnish driver has been so strong on tarmac. Is he really so fast or is the level of the class poor?

[wwbroe]

So finally Riedemann won the rally with only5,5 sec in front of Kreim, so an important succes for Pug R5.;)

[CWJ]

It was home rally vor Riedemann and Kreim got 30 seconds penalty for missing a chicane but anyway, Skoda under preasure now.

1. Riedemann / Vanneste Peugeot 208 T16 R5 01:33:08.4
2. Kreim / Christian Skoda Fabia R5 +00:05.5
3. Dinkel / Kohl Skoda Fabia S2000 +01:13.6
4. Neuville / Heigl Skoda Fabia S2000 +01:39.9
5. v.d. Heuvel / Bakker Mitsubishi Lancer E10 R4 +01:59.7

DRM-points

1. Riedemann 66; 2. Dinkel 49; 3. Kreim 48; 4. Neuville 22; 5. Berlandy 19

[Fabian Gaukler]

Besides the Rallye Sulingen this weekend also the "Birkenfelder Löwenrallye" took place as a part of the Saarland Rallye Championship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJaj9QTemeo

[CWJ]

How about Opel Cup? It has been a little bit weird that a Finnish driver has been so strong on tarmac. Is he really so fast or is the level of the class poor?

Opel Cup this year in quite fast foreign hands. First two rounds were wet and muddy third was dry and 90% tarmac so you can see a tendece. No good level german starters anymore.

1. Huttunen, Jari FIN 1:44:33
2. Kristensson, Tom SWE +00:59
3. Ahmann, Pontus SWE +01:05

Opel Cup after 3 rallys : Huttunen 126 Ahmann 61 Kristensson 49

[Tom206wrc]

Sachsen Rallye next week ;)

[dimviii]

Neuvilles brother at Sulingen rally
https://youtu.be/6IrTCpdyDlQ

[Jarek Z]

Neuvilles brother at Sulingen rally
https://youtu.be/6IrTCpdyDlQ

Is it my impression only or does he crash in every single rally?

Here is a view from another angle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9pxiYvRp6U

[Tom206wrc]

Note the return(after several years without driving)of Karl-Friedrich "Charlie" Beck this week-end in Sachsen ;)

Is he registered in Citroën Racing Trophy :confused:

[Ralph-Mario]

Winner is Rainer Noller Porsche 996 GT3 after a big fight with F. Kreim.

[WUff1]

1. Noller / Kopczyk Porsche 996 GT3 1:11:05.9
2. Kreim / Christian Skoda Fabia R5 +0:04.2
3. Neuville / Heigl Skoda Fabia S2000 +2:00.0
4. Riedemann / Vanneste Peugeot 208 T16 R5 +2:03.5

Riedemann got penalty because missing (and destroying) a chicane, Neuville surpassed him because he could drive straight through afterwards.

[Ucci]

Winner is Rainer Noller Porsche 996 GT3 after a big fight with F. Kreim.

What??? 996?? 15 -years old car in front of brand new high-tech rally toy? And as I noticed, Kreim drove without any (technical) problem....shame for factory driver. But anyway, Kriem is not on a level of other Škoda factory drivers...

[tommeke_B]

What??? 996?? 15 -years old car in front of brand new high-tech rally toy? And as I noticed, Kreim drove without any (technical) problem....shame for factory driver. But anyway, Kriem is not on a level of other Škoda factory drivers...

You shouldn't judge prestations of such different cars without knowing the character of the stages. Who knows even a perfect driving Kopecky could be beaten by that same old GT3? ;)

[Mirek]

What??? 996?? 15 -years old car in front of brand new high-tech rally toy? And as I noticed, Kreim drove without any (technical) problem....shame for factory driver. But anyway, Kriem is not on a level of other Škoda factory drivers...

What, You again with this nonsense?

[dimviii]

lol

[Fabian Gaukler]

This weekend a revival took place. The good old "Hunsrück-Rallye" is back. Enjoy the video:
1. Hunsrück-Rallye-Sprint 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvQuchpn-d0)

[Ucci]

What, You again with this nonsense?

I think someone knows all about the rally...lol.

[Ucci]

Who knows even a perfect driving Kopecky could be beaten by that same old GT3? ;)

Just in your dreams.

[jolle1982]

Sachsen rally is won of the fastest rallys in germany. The porsche have i high top speed advantage in front if the r5. Its like driving on highway.

[WUff1]

What??? 996?? 15 -years old car in front of brand new high-tech rally toy? And as I noticed, Kreim drove without any (technical) problem....shame for factory driver. But anyway, Kriem is not on a level of other Škoda factory drivers...

I think a better description is that Kreim already is under some kind of pressure.

[Jarek Z]

What, You again with this nonsense?

LOL :D Here we go again :D

[Jarek Z]

1. Noller / Kopczyk Porsche 996 GT3 1:11:05.9
2. Kreim / Christian Skoda Fabia R5 +0:04.2
3. Neuville / Heigl Skoda Fabia S2000 +2:00.0
4. Riedemann / Vanneste Peugeot 208 T16 R5 +2:03.5


Interesting are also the results in 2WD:

1. Knof Philipp - Stein Anne Katharina Citroën DS3 R3T Max
2. Gassner jr. Hermann - Mayrhofer-Baumschlager Ursula Toyota GT86 CS-R3
3. Ingram Chris - Becker Katrin Opel Adam R2

For Ingram it was the last rally before going to Azores:
https://www.fiaerc.com/erc-junior-ace-ingram-wins-on-his-german-debut/

[Jarek Z]

Note the return(after several years without driving)of Karl-Friedrich "Charlie" Beck this week-end in Sachsen ;)

Is he registered in Citroën Racing Trophy :confused:

If the results here are correct:
Citroën Racing Trophy (D)
1. Beck Karl-Friedrich - Kröniger Sebastian
2. Meter Lukas - Solbach-Schmidt Natalie icon
3. Holz Armin - Nowotny Frank

.. the 61 year-old Karl-Friedrich "Charlie" Beck wins Citroën Racing Trophy! :)

http://ewrc-results.com/events.php?id=156&nation=10

[Fabian Gaukler]

Some footage from the German "Rallye Saar-Ost 2016", enjoy:
Rallye Saar-Ost 2016 | Dirt and Action (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KbO50UBzFg)

[Fabian Gaukler]

This Saturday i was at the "Rallye Warndt 2016". Here are some impressions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV0sT5BgvTI

[Fly]

Thüringen rally

1 Kreim
2 Wiegand Fiesta R5
3 Riedemann

Sweden and Finland once again dominating Adam Cup.

http://www.rallyehub.de/livetiming.php?id=5

[Duvel]

We are planning a vistit to this years Eifel historic festival. Can anyone give me som information on the stages please, are the easy to reach, is it clear where to be?

It is not like a conventional rally i believe, so i dont know what to expect here.
Is it correct that the cars run only 4 stages on Friday? First one starting 14.18h and is the first stage in Daun centrum?
Also maps (from 2016 or previus editions would help a lot.

Thanks in advance! Whe also are looking for a place to stay, anyone got some tips about that?

[Reis Eduardo]

Anyone know confirm that Rashid Alketbi Dubai pilot will participate in the ADAC Cosmo Rallye Wartburg 2016 ?

[PLuto]

Anyone know confirm that Rashid Alketbi Dubai pilot will participate in the ADAC Cosmo Rallye Wartburg 2016 ?

Rashid is very unpredictable driver. Everything is possible...

[Wim_Impreza]

Anyone know confirm that Rashid Alketbi Dubai pilot will participate in the ADAC Cosmo Rallye Wartburg 2016 ?

He is on the entry list for this rally on ewrc-results: http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=30011&t=ADAC-Cosmo-Rallye-Wartburg-2016

[PLuto]

He is on the entry list for this rally on ewrc-results: http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=30011&t=ADAC-Cosmo-Rallye-Wartburg-2016

Which means nothing. More important is that he is on entry list on official pages of the rally - http://znts.de/zeitnahme/nennliste_open.php?rallye_id=294

[Ralph-Mario]

Rally Wartburg :

http://www.rallyehub.de/livetiming.php?id=6

[jacko]

Östberg will drive in the German (tarmac) rally Niedersachsen (9 & 10 september) with his own Ford Fiesta R5.
http://rallyens.adacortsclubs.de/

[dimviii]

Ostberg loosing from Kreim?
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=30012&s=126080&t=ADAC-Rallye-Niedersachsen-2016

[TWRC]

Ostberg loosing from Kreim?
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=30012&s=126080&t=ADAC-Rallye-Niedersachsen-2016
Yesterday he said that they sould have gone for the long ratio gearbox, as they were on the limiter most of the time. Don't know if they put that in today, but he just won SS5.

[dimviii]

he is still loosing till ss8

[dimviii]

finally lost by 34,5 secs
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=30012&s=126089&t=ADAC-Rallye-Niedersachsen-2016

[tc10a]

Hats off to Kreim! Dominant win at Niedersachsen Rallye with 11 of 13 best times in front of Ostberg.

[WUff1]

Kreim is definitely No. 1 in German rally championship, Riedemann with no chance at all.

Ostberg dissapointing as in WRC.

[Mirek]

Pity Wiegand doesn't drive regularly anymore.

[Ucci]

Kreim is definitely No. 1 in German rally championship, Riedemann with no chance at all.

Of course, think also about the fact: works Fabia compare to private P208.....the times when Pug was equal to Fabia already gone....
With all the resorses, works backup, rallyes done....is Kreim for me just an average driver...old Baumschlager is a "doctor" for him....Ostberg was always "nobody" on tarmac....even local drivers can be faster than him.

[Mirek]

It's not works car.

Kreim is in his only second 4WD season in his life. I think that You are too critical to him. There aren't many drivers who can start winning regularly right from the beginning. He is still at the start of his career.

[jacko]

About Fabian Kreim: he has the luck Skoda Germany invest a lot in him; he drives in 2016 the German championship, the Asian-Pacific rounds, already 2 rounds in Czech from one of them was the Barum ERC round and also the German WRC round. And when the competition is strong (WRC & ERC) you can clearly see he has still a long way to go to reach the top.
Skoda gives him also a semi-factory car and that's why he's a bit faster (on the straights) against a privat driver like Riedemann. I think Riedemann (and Aaron Burkhart) are the most talented drivers in Germany. Sepp Wiegand was also nothing special, like Kreim a lot of rally's and support but in the end it was clear he wouldn't make it to the (even the ERC) top.

[Mirek]

Wiegand had good speed in his last ERC season and what is important he didn't reach his performance peak. You can go event by event through his international starts and You can find reasonable progress everywhere until Škoda kicked him out. Frankly for me it's a bit sad story as he had 5 podiums and only one accident in ERC in 2014 out of 8 starts and till the last event he was in the fight for the title against Lappi. Seriously I can't see how somebody could expect more when he had no podium at all in 2013 but obviously it wasn't enough...

[jacko]

Wiegand had good speed in his last ERC season and what is important he didn't reach his performance peak. You can go event by event through his international starts and You can find reasonable progress everywhere until Škoda kicked him out. Frankly for me it's a bit sad story as he had 5 podiums and only one accident in ERC in 2014 out of 8 starts and till the last event he was in the fight for the title against Lappi. Seriously I can't see how somebody could expect more when he had no podium at all in 2013 but obviously it wasn't enough...

For sure it was not enough otherwise somebody else picked him up, he just wasn't fast enough. Stage-times are leading and he was never the fastest. A good driver for sure but a regular one like the Ostbergs etc.

[PLuto]

I must say that before this season, Riedemann didnt impressed me...

[focus206]

Of course, think also about the fact: works Fabia compare to private P208.....the times when Pug was equal to Fabia already gone....

Private? Isn't Riedemann a works driver for Peugeot Germany? Kreim and Riedemann are two semi-works drivers theoretically...
But I agree about Fabia vs 208

[focus206]

Skoda gives him also a semi-factory car and that's why he's a bit faster (on the straights) against a privat driver like Riedemann. I think Riedemann (and Aaron Burkhart) are the most talented drivers in Germany. Sepp Wiegand was also nothing special, like Kreim a lot of rally's and support but in the end it was clear he wouldn't make it to the (even the ERC) top.
Why you say so about Burkart? It never really impressed me, and after the JWRC title he won he quickly disappeared... Wiegand on the other side, as Mirek pointed out, was improving and definitely deserved another season in my opinion

[WUff1]

Kreim is doing many rallies and has a good financial funding. But on international level he still has to show something, even if he was the best non-Czech driver at Barum.

Considering this I´d rate Ostberg´s result at Niedersachsen even worse.

[Eddie1]

3-Städte-Rallye 2016 ACTION [HD]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW_jybRvpzA

[WUff1]

Results Saarland-Pfalz-Rallye, first run of 2017 national championship:

1. Kreim / Christian Skoda Fabia R5 01:17:35.9
2. Riedemann / Wenzel Peugeot 208 T16 R5 +0:15.7
3. Mandel / Zenz Ford Fiesta R5 +0:44.2
4. Wallenwein / Poschner Skoda Fabia R5 +0:45.3
5. Dinkel / Kohl Skoda Fabia R5 +0:46.9
6. Von Thurn und Taxis / Degandt Skoda Fabia R5 +2:49.0
7. Brugger / Wicha Ford Fiesta R5 +2:49.5
8. Lim / Wydaeghe Hyundai i20 R5 +4:50.8
9. Knof / Rath Peugeot 207 S2000 +4:51.3
10. Huttunen / Linnaketo Opel Adam R2 +5:16.6

[Jeppe]

Thanks! Nice performance by young Finn Jari Huttunen

[Fly]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=36772&s=141150&t=ADAC-Hessen-Rallye-Vogelsberg-2017

Good drive by Dinkel (and Knof with old Peugeot S2000)

Kreim is not the new Röhrl/Schwarz...

First round of Adam Cup dominated by foreigners. Madsen DK - Kristensson S - Beattie IRL

[WUff1]

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=36772&s=141150&t=ADAC-Hessen-Rallye-Vogelsberg-2017

Good drive by Dinkel (and Knof with old Peugeot S2000)

Kreim is not the new Röhrl/Schwarz...

First round of Adam Cup dominated by foreigners. Madsen DK - Kristensson S - Beattie IRL

Of course Kreim ist not the new Röhrl/Schwarz, but he´ll easily win the German tiltle this year again, now even easier after Riedemann´s accident. But even without his accident Riedemann would always have been a typical runner up-driver.

EDIT: By the way end of season for Riedemann because of his back injury.

[br21]

I was reading that after accident Riedemann will not drive anymore this year... pity, from the video it didn't look that bad. Also I heard Kreim didn't stop on the place of accident, looks like that on the video also. So that's really not OK and federation should do something...

[Fly]

Next is Sulingen
No Riedemann.
Adam cup leader Madsen uncertain after crash last week in DanishRC. Message for his (female) co-driver last week: Hi everyone, it's Line that's updating you. I have been released from the hospital and has been picked up by my mom. Jacob is still in for observation. Thank you for all of your messages, greetings and calls, we try to respond as good as we are able to. Thank you to all who helped on the stage, everything went by really professionally and we have been in good hands during all of this.
http://znts.de/zeitnahme/nennliste_open.php?rallye_id=323

[WUff1]

Incident Kreim not stopping after Riedemann´s accident is still under investigation of national motorsport board. Co-driver of Riedemann is accusing Kreim rather hefty:

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/drm/artikel/d/2017/04/13/hessen-nachspiel-fuer-fabian-kreim/

[Mirek]

Rund um die Sulinger Bärenklaue, another round of DRM

1. Mandel (Fiesta R5) 1:43:27,2
2. Kobus (Fabia R5) +1:25,6
3. Corazza (Evo IX) +3:36,9
4. Gassner sen. (Evo X) +4:37,4
5. Brugger (Fiesta R5) +5:29,4
6. Öberg (Impreza STi) +6:02,9
7. Mohe (Clio R3T) +7:27,9
8. Grahn (Fiesta R5) +7:57,3
9. von Gartzen (DS3 R3) +9:00,6
10. Andersson (Adam R2) +11:13,8

Retired for example: Kreim (Fabia R5) - crash, Dinkel (Fabia R5) - broken suspension, Knof (208 T16 R5) - crash

[Mirek]

German ASN decided to penalize Fabian Kreim for the incident from Vogelsberg Rally where Kreim didn't stop at the scene of serious accident of Christian Riedemann. Kreim has to pay fine 5000 Euro and he lost also all points from Vogelsberg Rally (final results of the rally stays).

Michael Wenzel, co-driver of Riedemann is said to be so badly injured that his career is over. Christian Riedemann may be fit for rallying around the end of the year.

[br21]

Anyone knows more details? Mainly of the discussions about the safety procedures, as I heard it's big discussion about it now in Germany.

[WUff1]

Some criticize the rule of the next car having to stop after a heavy accident of the former car if there is no OK-sign (and as it was the case in this incident).

[PLuto]

Some criticize the rule of the next car having to stop after a heavy accident of the former car if there is no OK-sign (and as it was the case in this incident).

Priority should be safety. And usually next car is the first on scene of accident and is first who should help or call the emergency...

On the other hand, in WRC nobody takes care about it. Everybody takes car only about themselves and dont stop at the place of accident, only in case the road is totally blocked and they cannot continue. Which is one of the reason why I dont like WRC...

[Mirek]

Sachsen Rallye

1. Kreim (Fabia R5) 1:05:07,5
2. Mandel (Fiesta R5) +36,3
3. Dinkel (Fabia R5) +54,7
4. S. Wallenwein (Fabia R5) +1:23,1
5. Brugger (Fiesta R5) +1:46,7 (30 sec pen.)
6. Corazza (Evo IX) +2:55,4
7. Schumann (Evo VIII) +3:58,9 (1:00 pen.)
8. Knof (208 T16 R5) +4:00,8
9. Mohe (Clio R3T) +4:57,5
10. Beck (DS3 R3T) +5:51,1

[Fly]

From Madsen Facebook:
Jacob Madsen Rallying was feeling fantastic.
4 hrs ·
I går var Jacob til kontrol på sygehuset og fik taget nye billeder af sin ryg. Resultatet var at alt så ud som det skulle, han er helet og må igen sætte sig i en rallybil! ��
-----------------
Jacob was at a check at the hospital yesterday and got new pictures taken of his back. The result was that everything looked good, he has healed as he should and are allowed to get back in a rally car!

[Nowi]

My photogallery from historic Eifel Rallye Festival at http://www.rallylife.cz/eifel-rallye-festival-2017/

[uni]

Hey Fans of Rallyes. How about to Take a Seat as Co-Pilot in the BMW Roadster? I have seen this possibility as an auction here, so the auction winner can drive during the Hamburg-Berlin-Klassik-Rallye with the Prince Leopold of Bavaria in this nice old car. And as i've seen, this auction is for a good cause!

Co Pilot BMW Roadster (https://www.unitedcharity.de/en/Auctions/Co-Pilot-BMW-Roadster)

Very Nice :wave:

[Adler]

According Rallye Magazin Emil Bergkvist will replace Philipp Knof in 208R5 in Rallye Thüringen.

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/drm/artikel/d/2017/07/27/bergkvist-ersetzt-knof-in-thueringen/

[electroliquid]

Hi all German members. Where can I find info about rallies in Germany in English, especially interested in rallies near Würzburg or Schweinfurt like these https://www.ewrc-results.com/season/2017/1058-bwf-rallyepokal/ series?

[JUF]

Hi all German members. Where can I find info about rallies in Germany in English, especially interested in rallies near Würzburg or Schweinfurt like these https://www.ewrc-results.com/season/2017/1058-bwf-rallyepokal/ series?
Hi, it´s very difficult to get any news in English. I´m sorry to say that... Normally every club who organizes a rally has its own website, but these are only in German.

[WUff1]

Hi all German members. Where can I find info about rallies in Germany in English, especially interested in rallies near Würzburg or Schweinfurt like these https://www.ewrc-results.com/season/2017/1058-bwf-rallyepokal/ series?

Unfortunately I don´t know such a site.

[Ralph-Mario]

Entry-list :

http://www.lausitz-rallye.de/de/teilnehmer-competitors

13x R5

[Mirek]

It looks like an easy win for Grondal. At least on paper there is no competitor for him (Vorobjovs only with Evo X, others not so good drivers).

[PLuto]

It looks like an easy win for Grondal. At least on paper there is no competitor for him (Vorobjovs only with Evo X, others not so good drivers).

Kahle is also fast, especially on "home event"...

[electroliquid]

Kahle is also fast, especially on "home event"...

https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/37322-int-admv-lausitz-rallye-2017/?s=158891 indeed Kahle doing great, also prince von T&T in impressive 3rd place. Will he do ERC next year?

[PLuto]

Official results are here - http://znts.de/zeitnahme/live_ergebnis_open.php?rallye_id=357

Albert is doing really well and he has made interesting progress this year.

[Mirek]

Do You know what happened to Mareš on SS4? He was fastest on all stages so far but lost a lot of time on SS4.

[electroliquid]

Do You know what happened to Mareš on SS4? He was fastest on all stages so far but lost a lot of time on SS4.

Broken driveshaft. info from his twitter.

[PLuto]

Like electroliquid wrote, it was broken driveshaft. And that time on SS4 is superally time...

[jacko]

Carsten Mohe / Alexander Hirsch with the Renault Maxi Megane in ADAC Rally Masters (DE).
Could be interesting because Loeb showed the Peugeot Maxi 306 was still fast compare the R5's.
Okay Mohe isn't Loeb but still it's one of the fastest German drivers. At least the choice for this car is a win for the championship!

[dupanton]

Carsten Mohe / Alexander Hirsch with the Renault Maxi Megane in ADAC Rally Masters (DE).
Could be interesting because Loeb showed the Peugeot Maxi 306 was still fast compare the R5's.
Okay Mohe isn't Loeb but still it's one of the fastest German drivers. At least the choice for this car is a win for the championship!

The Var mountain stages suited the 306 Maxi better. On let's say Touquet stages, which are more similar to German stages, he would not be competing for the victory. The smooth flowing mountain roads is where the maxi cars excel.

[CWJ]

Nice idea but also there is unfortunately no class in rally masters supplementary regulations fro such a car :(

[WUff1]

Saarland Pfalz Rallye, 1st run of German championship:

Live timing: http://www.rallyehub.de/livetiming.php?id=0

Griebel already lost all chances because engine problems of his 208 T16, maybe restart tomorrow. Tempestini in front of Griebel in the lead.

[CWJ]

Dinkel 2nd with spin and puncture ... ;-)

[dupanton]

Is there snow on the stages? Very big differences and some "strange" results

[WUff1]

Is there snow on the stages? Very big differences and some "strange" results

Yes, and ice too.

Video from SS2:

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/drm/artikel/d/2018/03/02/saarland-pfalz-rallye-marijan-griebel-mit-fehlstart/ (scroll down)

[Jarek Z]

Poor Marijan! He didn't even start the rally when the engine of his Peugeot broke down...

[Jarek Z]

More videos from this unexpected winter rally :)
http://rajdy.autoklub.pl/news/zimowy-poczatek-drm,83077

[CWJ]

No restart for Griebel, they couldnt repair engine / CPU in time.

[EstWRC]

Volver finally getting out of Estonia and can show his talent and doing great so far. Leading the Opel Adam cup!

[WUff1]

No restart for Griebel, they couldnt repair engine / CPU in time.

208 T16 .... he had to take what he gets, but last year he had a better car.

[Daniel Popov]

Is it true that this is the last year for the Adam Cup?

[nafpaktos]

studded tyres?

[JUF]

studded tyres?
... are not allowed in Germany.

[mousti]

https://youtu.be/YFzHCmWOoho

Verstuurd vanaf mijn SM-G935F met Tapatalk

[Essaj]

Kalle Rovanperä leading the Sachsen-Rallye after the first day!

[Essaj]

And it's Kalle Rovanperä who takes the cake by over a minute and Winning 10 out of 12 stages!

[Jarek Z]

And it's Kalle Rovanperä who takes the cake by over a minute and Winning 10 out of 12 stages!

Congratulations to Kalle!

Sad thing... Even in such rally, where the level of competition is far from impressive, Marijan Griebel can only achieve 4th place overall...

Final results of AvD SACHSEN RALLYE 2018:
1. Kalle Rovanperä/Jonne Halttunen (FIN) Skoda Fabia R5 1:04.54,1
2. Dominik Dinkel/Christina Kohl (D) Skoda Fabia R5 +1.07,6
3. Sepp Wiegand/Anne Katharina Stein (D) Skoda Fabia R5 +1.19,8
4. Marijan Griebel/Alexander Rath (D) Peugeot 208 T16 +1.38,4
5. Christian Riedemann/Michael Wenzel (D) Skoda Fabia R5 +1.55,5
6. Peter Corazza/Jörn Limbach (D) Skoda Fabia R5 +3.35,5
7. Carsten Mohe/Alexander Hirsch (D) Renault Mégane Maxi +3.36,3
8. Roman Schwedt/Christoph Gerlich (D) Peugeot 207 S2000 +4.50,5
9. Ruben Zeltner/Thomas Zeltner (D) Porsche 996 GT3 +4.56,2
10. Hermann Gassner Jr/Ursula Mayrhofer (D/A) Toyota GT86 CS-R3 +5.52,1

An interview with Kalle Rovanpera:
https://www.facebook.com/ADACRallye/videos/1519963564781079/

[JUF]

Well, many time penalties were given, so the results are a little bit falsified.

If you remove them it would look like that:

1. Kalle Rovanperä/Jonne Halttunen (FIN) Skoda Fabia R5 1:04.54,1
2. Dominik Dinkel/Christina Kohl (D) Skoda Fabia R5 +37,6
3. Christian Riedemann/Michael Wenzel (D) Skoda Fabia R5 +1.05,53
4. Marijan Griebel/Alexander Rath (D) Peugeot 208 T16 +1.08,4
5. Sepp Wiegand/Anne Katharina Stein (D) Skoda Fabia R5 +1.19,8

Still fourth, but not that far behind Kalle anymore. Moreover, I think that Griebel isn´t that much better than Riedemann or Wiegand. All of them are pretty mediocre...

[EstWRC]

damn, Volver binned it on penultimate stage, was going way too fast, not the best decision from him IMO

[Jarek Z]

I think that Griebel isn´t that much better than Riedemann or Wiegand. All of them are pretty mediocre...

Really? Seeing Griebel's results in ERC last year I thought he was faster than the other German drivers. But who knows, maybe you are right.

http://img.speedweek.com/i/3/33cbc7119c78482dacf881f5b52eb682.jpg?preset=i750

[Mirek]

Both Wiegand and Griebel are rather good drivers. Their issue is same - they had a chance to show themselves on the international scene but they didn't manage to stay there and afterwards they struggle to get a ride here and there, most of the time without proper testing etc. Talent alone doesn't guarantee anything and except few countries it's not enough even for winning on a national level.

Let's not forget that Wiegand nearly managed to take the ERC title from Lappi and that Griebel managed to win ERC U28. Those aren't easy achievements but they are pretty impossible to achieve without properly supported and funded campaign.

[Rally Power]

Well, many time penalties were given, so the results are a little bit falsified.

Were those penalties for hitting SSS barriers?

[Essaj]

Were those penalties for hitting SSS barriers?

If I remember correctly Riedemann had 20secs from missing the TC by 2mins but others were from chicanes

[Mirek]

How is that a falsification?

[Rally Power]

How is that a falsification?

Come on Mirek. This SSS’s penalties are truly a falsification of the rally spirit. SSS’s are only a show for the public; their sport value is zero and they shouldn’t be deciding a rally result. What’s the point of going flat out on real stages and then being subject to a penalty for throwing down (sometimes by a simple touch) a fragile barrier? Will the public and the organizers be happy if drivers start to do the SSS’s in slow mode to avoid problems?

It's time to get a proper solution for this. Nowadays it's rare to have a rally (at any level) without SSS's polemic penalties. It's really ruining the sport.

[Mirek]

There could not be any SSS penalties because there was not even any SSS in the rally (except one street stage I believe but the penalties were not from that one).

Neither Dinkel nor Griebel got the penalty on SSS. Both got them on normal proper stage (onboard of that stage from 2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E7BSI9KPxk ).

I don't know how it is in Germany but we have very clear rules regarding chicanes and everybody knows them. The chicanes have standard shape and also are not made of paper. To get 30 seconds penalty here in CZ You need to brake straight through (here). For moving one component of the chicane from it's base (painted on the road) You get 5 seconds. Last but not least the chicanes are not there for fun but to slow down the cars in places where there is high risk of dangerous accident or of a damage caused to the third party (typically entrances to the villages and passes through them).

[JUF]

Both Wiegand and Griebel are rather good drivers. (...) Let's not forget that Wiegand nearly managed to take the ERC title from Lappi and that Griebel managed to win ERC U28. Those aren't easy achievements but they are pretty impossible to achieve without properly supported and funded campaign. Well, your definitively right. Maybe Wiegand would be competing in WRC today if he would have got the support he deserved.


How is that a falsification?

Not hitting chicanes and being late at TC is surely part of the game - and it should stay like that. BUT: If we´re talking about pure speed we should remove the penalties to see how fast somebody really was.

[CWJ]

Riedemans car didnt start bevore the start of the rally out of service area for at least 2mins

All leading drivers got their penalties from chicanes in proper countryside stages, not SSS. Theay were needed to take out some speed before a village and near a lake i.e.

[Rally Power]

It doesn’t really matter if those penalties came from a SSS or SS chicane and I’m not even talking about German rallys. These chicane penalties madness is spreading all over the rally world and something has to be done to stop it.

[Mirek]

It doesn’t really matter if those penalties came from a SSS or SS chicane and I’m not even talking about German rallys. These chicane penalties madness is spreading all over the rally world and something has to be done to stop it.

Don't agree. The penalties must be in place because otherwise drivers tend to ignore the chicanes. As already pointed out the chicanes are not there for fun. They are safety features and as such they shall not be ignored. The whole story with chicanes can be taken more seriously than in WRC where the penalties are more or less random. It is possible to make a system like we have in our country. Here everybody understands why the system is in place and no penalty orgies happen.

[Jarek Z]

Video from the rally full of dramatic saves and big moments ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIBY4M3MCbA

And a photo gallery. Quite a rare situation to see a rallying Mercedes-Benz :)
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?id=6593&tx_yag_pi1[rm][albumUid]=2199&tx_yag_pi1[rm][galleryUid]=1247&tx_yag_pi1[itemListrm][pagerCollection][page]=1&tx_yag_pi1[action]=list&tx_yag_pi1[controller]=ItemList&cHash=3319c62f8a6990964b04c764af904e35

[Mirek]

I see now stage Weißensand with average speed over 140 km/h. Wow

[Zeakiwi]

Is that a Suzuki Swift S1600 being run as a safety car? at Sachsen Rally? Win to Rovanpera on dirt in places tarmac.
https://youtu.be/LvEgX7yE9ik?t=6m39s

I see Griebel has had a few Skoda R5 drives, is the Peugeot T16 208 R5 inherently slower on tarmac compared to the Skoda R5?

[Mirek]

Is that a Suzuki Swift S1600 being run as a safety car?

Yes


Win to Rovanpera on dirt in places tarmac.

Yes but I would not call it a surprise.


I see Griebel has had a few Skoda R5 drives, is the Peugeot T16 208 R5 inherently slower on tarmac compared to the Skoda R5?

Yes, it is and even much more slower on gravel.

Griebel won ERC U28 with BRR Škoda last year and Wiegand nearly won ERC against Lappi several years back when he had Škoda Deutschland support. Now they are both more or less good locals who struggle to find money to drive.

[Rally Power]

Griebel won his first DRM rally on the 208! Well done.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/final/45306-adac-cosmo-rallye-wartburg-2018/

[Rally Power]

Second win in a row for Griebel and the 208! Apparently he's now leading the series with the same points as Dinkel.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/season/2018/?nat=10

[CWJ]

Dinkel at same speed but lost a minute due to broken differential at his BRR Skoda.

[dimviii]

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GRIEBEL: Marijan Griebel is crowned German rally champion (auf Deutsch) @SpeedweekMag

[Jarek Z]

It'a the third title in a row for Marijan Griebel:
https://www.fiaerc.com/three-years-three-titles-erc-great-griebel-is-a-champion-again/

[Rally Power]

Congrats to Griebel/Rath and the Romo team. It's nice to see 208's still being competitive!

[Mirek]

Final results of popular gravel Lausitz Rallye:

1. Kreim (Ger, Fabia R5) 1:31:39,3
2. Kahle (Ger, Fabia R5) +13,0
3. Orsák (Cze, Fiesta R5) +42,1
4. Kiss (Hun, Fabia R5) +3:15,0
5. Slobodzian (Pol, Impreza STI gr.N) +6:12,1
6. Chwist (Pol, i20 R5) +6:43,9
7. Schwedt (Ger, 207 S2000) +7:23,1
8. Stolarski (Pol, Evo IX gr.N) +7:44,9
9. Olsen (Nor, Fiesta R5) +8:00,8
10. Kurka (Cze, Fiesta R5) +8:46,8

2WD without counting nationally homologated RWD BMWs (two were between Cais and Oldrati):
1. Cais (Cze, 207 R2) 1:42:09,9
2. Oldrati (Ita, 207 R2) +3:56,5
3. Sulzinger (Ger, Fiesta R2) +6:55,7

[JUF]

One addition: Anders Grondal retired while lying in 4th position due to illness. Nothing really serious, just a bad flu it seems.

[Jarek Z]

So Fabian Kreim (26 years old) better than Matthias Kahle (49 years old) in the German "generation clash" :)

https://cache.pressmailing.net/thumbnail/story_big/09989db6-ea73-4e4b-8c80-4f64b89b1464/grandioser-skoda-doppelsieg-fabian-kreim-vor-matthias-kahle-bei-international-stark-besetzter-lausit

[Mirek]

I can see that on the photo that Christian Doerr, Kahle's co-driver, was also a sponsor of the event.

[PLuto]

I can see that on the photo that Christian Doerr, Kahle's co-driver, was also a sponsor of the event.

It is his home event, he is from that region and always big supporter of everyone there.

[CWJ]

I can see that on the photo that Christian Doerr, Kahle's co-driver, was also a sponsor of the event.

He is many years deputy chairman of rally organizing club RRC Lausitz

https://www.lausitz-rallye.de/de/impressum

[Mirek]

From Pluto's post in our forum...

https://www.facebook.com/NachrichtenMedien/videos/2212148482395790/
An alive organization-supplied anti-cut from Lausitz

[WUff1]

Skoda Germany returns to German championship in 2019, most probably again with Kreim:

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?id=342&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=93267&tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=2018&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=11&tx_ttnews%5Bday%5D=29

[PLuto]

Fabian has nothing to show in Germany, he has bigger potential.

[pucky54]

...most probably again with Kreim

Who is not keen on doing German Championship again...

[Got Mail]

Is Saarland-Pfalz Rallye likely to be cancelled?

Very small number of entries so far.

[Tom206wrc]

Next Week-end is Saarland Pfalz Rallye, the first round of the german championship ;)
http://www.znts.de/

I was quite surprised french driver Benoît Vaillant is on the entrylist and according to a german motorsport website it seems he wants to run the entire championship with his C3 R5 :confused:

[Jarek Z]

Good to see Hermann Gassner Junior with Hyundai i20 R5. He's a good driver.

http://www.autoklub.pl/news/foto/201902/news20190225_91313h.jpg

[WUff1]

Results Saarland-Pfalz-Rallye, first run of German championship:

1. Kreim / Braun Skoda Fabia R5 1:22:31.6
2. Griebel / Kopczyk Skoda Fabia R5 +0:26.8
3. Gassner jr. / Mayrhofer Hyundai i20 R5 +1:51.5
4. Geipel / Becker Skoda Fabia R5 +3:39.6
5. Simpson / Gibson Skoda Fabia R5 +4:15.6
6. Vaillant / Brulé Citroën C3 R5 +5:44.4

[the sniper]

And Eerik Pietarinen won the Adam Cup class, beating Grégoire Munster by a minute. Sad to see that beyond those two the entry was quite poor. All good things must come to an end I suppose!

[CWJ]

Munster codriven by younger brother Charles for his very first time.

[Ralph-Mario]

The next round with 8xR5, maybe 9x cars....

[Mirek]

Sachsen Rallye was canceled after a fatal accident in SS1. Günter Kai, driver of Clio R3T No.42 died in the accident and his co-driver Sebastian Walker was injured.
https://www.adac-motorsport.de/adac-rallye-masters/de/artikel/tragischer-unfall-bei-der-sachsen-rallye-zwischenfall-bei-sachsen-rallye-255509

https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp/YKEVxjk0/s6/kai-gunther-sebastian-walker-r.jpg
Photo from Janusz Śmiłowski