R-Classes News

[navtheace]

I have to say I'm impressed. They managed to make the R5 Fiesta look just like a Fiesta.

??

The Fiesta R5 looks closer to a Fiesta WRC than a Fiesta. I think you mean Fiesta R200 looks just like a Fiesta, as the rules for R1, 2, 3 do not permit body kitting.

Here is Malcolm Wilsons take on the Fiesta R5 for the WRC.com feature
World Rally Championship - News - Wilson: New R5 a big step forward (http://www.wrc.com/news/wilson-new-r5-a-big-step-forward/?fid=18654)

[Prisoner Monkeys]

I was being facetious.

To the man on the street, the R5 Fiesta looks like every other rallying Fiesta. The external changes are there, but they're mostly cosmetic. It's the stuff under the skin that counts.

[navtheace]

I was being facetious.

To the man on the street, the R5 Fiesta looks like every other rallying Fiesta. The external changes are there, but they're mostly cosmetic. It's the stuff under the skin that counts.

Got ya! :)

Always difficult to know the style of conversation when just reading the words from not hearing the voice of the person.

[Hazza555)]

Got ya! :)

Always difficult to know the style of conversation when just reading the words from not hearing the voice of the person.

The inherent problem of the internet. Sometimes there just isn't an emoticon to express your tone

[navtheace]

R classes were set up as like a comparable to GpA, ie no changes to driven wheels, engine induction and bodywork from road car. Yet R5 is not like that at present.

Coming back to R3, any news on the new Fiesta 1.6 turbo road car to be homologated into an R3T car?

[Mirek]

R classes were set up as like a comparable to GpA, ie no changes to driven wheels, engine induction and bodywork from road car. Yet R5 is not like that at present.

No, it wasn't. Since the start it was meant to allow larger modifications for stronger engines, i.e. R1 is smallest engine and the least modifications, R2 is bigger engine and more modifications, R3 even bigger engine and even larger modifications etc. R5 is a logical peak of the pyramid.

[Sulland]

Is there a plan for a new R4 class? The current R4 class is not in sync with the rest.

And do we see any signs on that the old Japanese brands Subaru and Mistubishi are on their way in again for the R classes, apart from the current R4?
Toyota is planned back, but how far are they?

[vino_93]

Is Mitsubishi interested in rally anymore ? no.
Are in general manufacturers interested in developping cars not allowed to win races in WRC or ERC ? No. So ... you can do all the regulation you want, if only 3 or 4 manufacturers are interesting in selling rally cars ... you'll have any more cars.

Maybe if local teams can develop himself some cars corresponding to FIA regulation you would have more R4 (and R3, R2, R1 ...).

[WUff1]

Well Mitsubishi is the basic car of every local rally. So they won´t dissappear too soon, as there is no successor.

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Is there a plan for a new R4 class? The current R4 class is not in sync with the rest.
My understanding is that R4 will eventually be discontinued altogether. It's more a class to put current cars that don't fit in under any other Group R regulations than anything else.

[A FONDO]

Just read a rumour that Reno are going to build an 1,6 turbo engine for R3 class. Expected homologation date is 1 July 2014 (just one year ahead).

They seem to be having some fight with Citroen, don't they :) First the Twingo in R2, now the payback in R3T for the overshadowed R3C Clio :)

[noel157]

Just read a rumour that Reno are going to build an 1,6 turbo engine for R3 class. Expected homologation date is 1 July 2014 (just one year ahead).

They seem to be having some fight with Citroen, don't they :) First the Twingo in R2, now the payback in R3T for the overshadowed R3C Clio :)

And hopefully R5 too.

[Gordini]

Very sorry to see NA engines go in all classes, but that is life.
So back to karting or boatsport to get the right sound picture.

So maybe we need to get a class in rally where they use motorcycle engines that revs 15000 + :p

[Vaggelis27]

From Niko Nieminen

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/541_10151564859243271_101085383_n.jpg

[vino_93]

where is it ?

[Vaggelis27]

where is it ?

Rally Estonia this weekend i think..

[Franky]

Rally Estonia this weekend i think..

Actually at the Viru Rally which took place on Friday and Saturday. The car was there more as a exhibit.

[CWJ]

In order to promote the entry of R-GT cars in FIA rallies, with immediate effect tuners will be permitted to develop cars, in accordance with the criteria defining eligible cars. The FIA will issue a technical passport, allowing the car to be eligible for events accepting R-GT cars.

and

From 2015, classes R1, R2 and R3 will be permitted to use super-charged engines, in line with the evolution of series engines.

[Kiiver]

And hopefully R5 too.
Of course it is time for Renault to join 4WD

[Macd]

In order to promote the entry of R-GT cars in FIA rallies, with immediate effect tuners will be permitted to develop cars, in accordance with the criteria defining eligible cars. The FIA will issue a technical passport, allowing the car to be eligible for events accepting R-GT cars.

and

From 2015, classes R1, R2 and R3 will be permitted to use super-charged engines, in line with the evolution of series engines.

Does this mean that Technical Passports are issued to individual cars, and non homologated cars could get a Technical Passport under R-GT Rules?

[Mirek]

That's how I understand that.

[mousti]

Fiesta R200 at Rallye de Luxembourg with Arellano as the pilot.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=333299400137658&set=vb.360802653955134&type=2&theater

[vino_93]

Jörg Schrott, director of Opel Motorsport Europe, in AutoHebdo :
he is pleased with the french cup, which is strongest (in his point of view) as the german. He said this cup will be extend to some other countries : Italy, Switzerland, or Belgium.
He said too Opel will develop a real Adam R2, with 50 hp more, able to fight with the best R2.
They could not do a R3 and directly do a Corsa R5, developped in 2014 and first official race in 2015 !
They have a plan on ten years, as Ford or PSA, with cars from the smallest to the biggest, with national cups and international series.

[noel157]

Adam et Francois:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njkCVr9GfWk

[Eli]

only a matter of time (& Money) before opel decide to join the WRC

[navtheace]

I think manufacturers will get involved when R5 is phased in and current world rally car and RRC is phased out.

Will be interesting to see when this happens as Hyundai are just stepping in with a world rally car, yet rumours say the world rally car category could be phased out with R5 becoming the top category.

Who knows? only the FIA know.

[tommeke_B]

Who knows? only the FIA know.
I'm quite sure that Hyundai already knows the rules for WRC that will start in 2015 (or at least "the bigger lines"), since they are already working on the development of the car.

[navtheace]

Another R5 Fiesta competing (this weekend)

Globul Rally Team reveals new Ford Fiesta R5 (http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/news/1379-globul-rally-team-reveals-new-ford-fiesta-r5)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NImHZ0P3nw

[tolis]

Another R5 Fiesta competing (this weekend)

Globul Rally Team reveals new Ford Fiesta R5 (http://www.m-sport.co.uk/index.php/news/1379-globul-rally-team-reveals-new-ford-fiesta-r5)

Anyone with results/vids/pics of this rally showing this R5 Fiesta?
SS1 video: GLOBUL Rally Team - Rally Tvarditsa-Elena 2013 Day 1 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NImHZ0P3nw)
SS1 results: eWRC-results.com - results Rally Tvardica-Elena 2013 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=8122&t=Rally-Tvardica-Elena-2013)
SS2 today morning!

[navtheace]

What is the rules on R5 cars for parts?

Like the Fiesta R5 for example, it has a Porsche sensor (£16), Audi intercooler, radiator from a Ford Edge.

For replacements, can you self source directly from Porsche, Audi, Ford USA etc? or do you have to go to M Sport for the production part (at an inflated price) as it will be 'stamped' with an M Sport serial number?

[Hazza555)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZjePaiteBs&feature=c4-overview&list=UUFwzOXPZKE6aH3fAU0d2Cyg

[Jerra]

Slovenian driver Marko Jeram got a gift from Malcolm ...

http://www.6righttightens.com/m-sport-uk-rally-debut-for-new-r200/

[Sulland]

What is the homologation plan for the R200, Will it be the new R2?

[Jerra]

What is the homologation plan for the R200, Will it be the new R2?
No FIA homologation for R200, these upgrades aren't according to specific R2 regulations, this kit will be for some cups and open 1600 ccm in GB, only ASN homologation.

[RICARDO75]

Test from the new Opel Adam R2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBoHgn4xjgA

[Gordini]

When Adam R2 will get approve?

[makinen_fan]

What is the homologation plan for the R200, Will it be the new R2?
No FIA homologation for R200, these upgrades aren't according to specific R2 regulations, this kit will be for some cups and open 1600 ccm in GB, only ASN homologation.

Joachim Wagemans posted in fb that he tested the Fiesta R200.
Two day's testing with the MSport Fiesta R200 at Ford Lommel Prouving grounds. Much faster car than the R2 version of the Fiesta. Looking forward to drive this car in a real rally. Thanks to TeamFloral for the testing opportunity.


Does this car comfort with local championship regulations outside the UK?

[TyPat107]

I am sure it fits in to either of our 2wd classes here in the US. I think this car would make much more sense over here where we have a few R2 and they can be out gunned by other cars (when not driven by a certain Aussie who dominated here last year)

[mousti]

What is the homologation plan for the R200, Will it be the new R2?
No FIA homologation for R200, these upgrades aren't according to specific R2 regulations, this kit will be for some cups and open 1600 ccm in GB, only ASN homologation.

Joachim Wagemans posted in fb that he tested the Fiesta R200.
Two day's testing with the MSport Fiesta R200 at Ford Lommel Prouving grounds. Much faster car than the R2 version of the Fiesta. Looking forward to drive this car in a real rally. Thanks to TeamFloral for the testing opportunity.


Does this car comfort with local championship regulations outside the UK?
Last year van der Schelden couldn't start in B(elgian)RC I thought..

[Mad cat jnr]

Wasnt that more because of the damage the car sustained in off with Allreno?

[dimviii]

http://www.twingor1.ch/wp-content/uploa ... -R3T-8.jpg (http://www.twingor1.ch/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Clio-RS-R3T-8.jpg)
http://www.twingor1.ch/wp-content/uploa ... -R3T-6.jpg (http://www.twingor1.ch/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Clio-RS-R3T-6.jpg)
http://www.rallylife.cz/data/imgs/0028254l.jpg
http://www.rallylife.cz/data/imgs/0028255l.jpg
http://www.twingor1.ch/wp-content/uploa ... -R3T-1.jpg (http://www.twingor1.ch/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Clio-RS-R3T-1.jpg)
http://www.i-motorsport.cz/foto/maxthum ... 2013-1.jpg (http://www.i-motorsport.cz/foto/maxthumb/renault-clio-r3t-test-southfrance-december2013-1.jpg)
http://www.i-motorsport.cz/foto/maxthum ... 2013-7.jpg (http://www.i-motorsport.cz/foto/maxthumb/renault-clio-r3t-test-southfrance-december2013-7.jpg)

[miniwintz]

4 doors look really really odd for this type of car.

[Mirek]

New Clio isn't produced as 3D anymore... and Fabia S2000 is 5D too and it's not that strange.

[miniwintz]

Well, the Fabia is about 10 centimeters shorter, so that explains the more natural proportions even with 5 doors. That Clio looks like a big car compared to 208 (R2) and DS3 (R3) for instance.

I know rally cars are much smaller now than they used to be, but in the current context the Clio just seems out of proportions IMO. Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post, but to me it's a direct consequence of Renault choosing to produce 4rd gen Clio RS as 4/5-door only.

[Mirek]

Now I understand. Yes, it is relatively big but it's still smaller than Civic R3 is. Toyota GT-86 R3 will be longer too.

[Sulland]

Impressed with the 2 Opel Adam R2 cars. They must be good on asfalt.


How good are they on gravel, compared to the rest of the R2s?

[CWJ]

Toyota GT86 CS-R3 - Gravel-Spec test

--> http://rallyemag.de/GT86R3Gravel

[hofmannr]

Toyota GT86 CS-R3 - Gravel-Spec test

--> http://rallyemag.de/GT86R3Gravel

Looking great. Does anybody have footage of this test?

[RICARDO75]

Looking great. Does anybody have footage of this test?

http://www.tageblatt.de/tv-fotos/videos/wettertv_video,-Toyota-Praesentation-auf-dem-Estering-_videoid,10668.html

[A FONDO]

New Fiesta R2 1,0t teaser with Evans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zSwLAVVijxY

Turbo sound is always great even when the engine is so small :)

[PLuto]

Turbo sound is always great even when the engine is so small :)

I prefer sound of atmospheric engines...

[EightGear]

Timo van der Marel will drive an Adam R2 in the Dutch championship with some support of the importer. :)

[Sulland]

Again I must say that the Opel Adam R2 is impressing me.
Sneeking into the R2 class via collecting knowledge with the cup car, and now it is on par with the best R2 cars.

Looking promising for a R5 if that is what Opel Motorsport is planning next!

[Mirek]

The Adam has excellent suspensions I was very impressed with it even on our bumpy and rough stages!

[tommeke_B]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwnBBycouaw Short clip of Fiesta Ecoboost R2.

[RICARDO75]

The Adam has excellent suspensions I was very impressed with it even on our bumpy and rough stages!

Bergkvist onboard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=811&v=W6hCa81Zl9w

[stefanvv]

He is good

[Simmi]

Again I must say that the Opel Adam R2 is impressing me.
Sneeking into the R2 class via collecting knowledge with the cup car, and now it is on par with the best R2 cars.

Looking promising for a R5 if that is what Opel Motorsport is planning next!

I too was wondering if they were looking to make an R5. That would be great news if so. I wonder if we will see heavy branding again at Rally Germany this year.

[Rallyper]

This is also a good one on Emil driving a RWD Volvo 940 on gravel. Just look at the flow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCUEmk07kmg

[almostracing]

Normally everyone keeps the HP of rallycars all secret but check this dyno plot out
https://www.facebook.com/358636160829964/photos/a.410593638967549.115297.358636160829964/1060389857321254/?type=1&theater

It's an Mitsubishi Evo 8 rally car on a 34mm restrictor.

Has anyone got a dyno plot of the R5 cars yet? Care to share?

[Micke_VOC]

This is also a good one on Emil driving a RWD Volvo 940 on gravel. Just look at the flow!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCUEmk07kmg

This is a Volvo 240 =)

But he is a impressing driver, this is a onboard with a crazy pace with VOC 940 ( Volvo std-class)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsH5WVb1lEI starts 1,52 in

[janvanvurpa]

This is a Volvo 240 =)

But he is a impressing driver, this is a onboard with a crazy pace with VOC 940 ( Volvo std-class)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsH5WVb1lEI starts 1,52 in

Ta mig i häckan de va bättre än 99% av all i Nord Amerika att åka bil.

Och i en VOC bil!

Damn forum software only let me "like" one time.

PS showed that clip to a young soon to be rally guy and he was jumping up and down---re recognize the intrumentbredan as 940 but refused to belive it was VOC bil...
he was "No way! Its too fast! too sideways!"

[Zeakiwi]

Is it time for a modern Volvo rally car, if they make rally cars that sound like this?
https://youtu.be/U2SyL5TFlv4

[Rallyper]

Is it time for a modern Volvo rally car, if they make rally cars that sound like this?
https://youtu.be/U2SyL5TFlv4

For your knowledge Swedish Touring car championship is driven with siloutte cars and common V6 engines. Only outer bodyshell is a casting of ordinary S60 model or other brands...
Sorry to maybe take away some Volvo-spirit...

[janvanvurpa]

Is it time for a modern Volvo rally car, if they make rally cars that sound like this?
https://youtu.be/U2SyL5TFlv4

Why when even the 240 does so well? Do you know the name Jaska Nuorala? Finnish F-Cup Champion 2 years running...
It is a safe bet that F-cup is the best 2wd class in the world, better than Swedish Grupp H...2 years in a row he beats everybody..
Compare SS times and it is shocking what his overall times are..
Plug his name into a Youtube search sit back and relax
The car may be old----but it is good and a good car that is easy to drive---and costing a fraction of what modern cars cost is a good thing.

[Sulland]

Any plans to make R2 or R3 from the new Fabia, or either factory or CZ tuners?

[Sulland]

So, we have had the R-Classes around for a few years.
Status seems to be the following.

R1: Not a big success, need overhaul
R2: Success. Has been healthy series in many national, regional and at world champ levels. Have had engine mod from 1600 NA to 1200 Turbo.
R3: Is a dying class. Need overhaul.
R4: First real R4 car kit coming in 2018.
R5: Huge success, 600 cars sold.

So basically we have R2 and R5 that have made it. R3 was a success, but has died out in most series.

I would like R1 to get a revamp, as a class for 15 year old youngsters, and others driving for fun, and want a modern car.

[ESTR]

So, we have had the R-Classes around for a few years.
Status seems to be the following.

R1: Not a big success, need overhaul
R2: Success. Has been healthy series in many national, regional and at world champ levels. Have had engine mod from 1600 NA to 1200 Turbo.
R3: Is a dying class. Need overhaul.
R4: First real R4 car kit coming in 2018.
R5: Huge success, 600 cars sold.

So basically we have R2 and R5 that have made it. R3 was a success, but has died out in most series.

I would like R1 to get a revamp, as a class for 15 year old youngsters, and others driving for fun, and want a modern car.

There could be R5 in the top WRC class, R4 in wrc2 r3 in wrc3 r2 jwrc.. Dream but look a differently way more cheaper..

[Andre Oliveira]

Come on. All top WRC class will be expensive. If R5 at top, R5 would cost more twice than now

[SubaruNorway]

There could be R5 in the top WRC class, R4 in wrc2 r3 in wrc3 r2 jwrc.. Dream but look a differently way more cheaper..

Not a chance, unless the R5 is driven on the limit and you find a good spot it's not that great.

R2T is 1L Sulland

[Sulland]

@SubNo: you are correct, or close. (1067)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_R



R2B
1390cc to 1600cc
Naturally aspirated
Petrol
1030 kg
Two-wheel drive
2500 per year
Ford Fiesta 1.6 R2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Fiesta)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_R#cite_note-JWRC_M-Sport-9)


927cc to 1067cc
Turbocharged
Ford Fiesta Ecoboost R2 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Fiesta)


R2C
1600cc to 2000cc
Naturally aspirated
Petrol
1080 kg
Two-wheel drive
2500 per year
none


1067cc to 1333cc
Turbocharged
none


RC5
R1A
Up to 1390cc
Naturally aspirated
Petrol
980 kg
Two-wheel drive
2500 per year
Toyota TMG Yaris R1A (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Yaris)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_R#cite_note-Yaris-2)


Up to 927cc
Turbocharged
none


R1B
1390cc to 1600cc
Naturally aspirated
Petrol
1030 kg
Two-wheel drive
2500 per year
Renault Twingo RS R1 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Twingo)


927cc to 1067cc
Turbocharged
none



And it is also opened for similar engine in R1. So we could potentially see a R1 Fiesta with detuned R2 engine.

[pantealex]

Wikipedia has it bit wrong:
R2 no turbo is up to 1620cc (some french? engine is little bit over 1600cc)

[Mirek]

Only turbocharged variants of PSA EP6 are over 1600 ccm and therefore I believe this 1620cc rule applies only for R3T and R5.

[pantealex]

Only turbocharged variants of PSA EP6 are over 1600 ccm and therefore I believe this 1620cc rule applies only for R3T and R5.

Yeah my bad.

It was Renault M5MT engine 1618cc (Clio R3T)

[SubaruNorway]

@SubNo: you are correct, or close. (1067)

They are 999cc, I'm a mechanic on them so i should know ;)

[janvanvurpa]

They are 999cc, I'm a mechanic on them so i should know ;)


Får jag fråga lite on dom där Fiestor?

fjädersväg fram o bak? Märke på fjäderben?
Är upphängning o länk osv orginal grejor o fjäder instoppat mellan bärarm o ramen_ Eller had bilen torn svetsat in?

[Sulland]

Are there any initiatives from FIA towards the factories to modify the R1 class, maybe with turbo engines?
Or will all continue with NA engines?

[Japé]

Are there any public figures (or even guesses) available how many R class cars has been sold per class per each model, for example in R2 and R5? In R5 it feels like 90% cars are either Skodas or Fords but there seems to be big differences in models' popularity between different national series.

[Sulland]

The R1 teams are having a ball in Monte Carlo.
https://www.ewrc-results.com/results/42870-rallye-automobile-de-monte-carlo-2018/?s=154135&ct=1035

A cheap car to learn in, even in world rally championship rallies!

[TWRC]

Are there any public figures (or even guesses) available how many R class cars has been sold per class per each model, for example in R2 and R5? In R5 it feels like 90% cars are either Skodas or Fords but there seems to be big differences in models' popularity between different national series.
For R5, take a look at ewrc-results, it is very good. As for R2, over 300 208 R2 kits have been sold, others I dont't know.

[kiil]

I think C2R2 must be around the same numbers, huge amounts of these was sold.

[Japé]

Rough number of R5s from ewrc listing:
Fiesta ~260
Fabia ~220
DS3 ~75
208 T16 ~60
i20 ~20

Does this meant that only M-Sport and Skoda takes R5 business / development seriously enough?

[ESTR]

Wait for Polo. The car is not even complete and they have 15 orders already. And remember there are 2015 where they build that machines except i20 who was built year later.

[Mirek]

Does this meant that only M-Sport and Skoda takes R5 business / development seriously enough?

Afaik they are the only ones who make profit of R5.

[pantealex]

Wait for Polo. The car is not even complete and they have 15 orders already. And remember there are 2015 where they build that machines except i20 who was built year later.

They have way more than 15 orders...

They can produce/deliver 15 cars this year (2018)

[A FONDO]

Thata;s fine but are they going to continue developing it in the next couple of years or so and continue sharing updates with their customers?

[Japé]

Btw does anyone know why R5 models i20 and Polo are made from 4 door models instead of 2 door models, unlike their WRC counterparts. For sure both are rigid enough, but at least I've always felt that 4 door models doesn't bring the rallycar / racecar feeling

[Tarmop]

Because there isn`t a new Polo roadcar with 2 doors available from the factory, only 4 doors and they aren`t planning one. Polo WRC with 2 doors was the previous generation chassis. Same case was with the i20, at that time (homologation) it was only possible to use the 4 door version, 2 doors arrived later.

[pantealex]

Because there isn`t a new Polo roadcar with 2 doors available from the factory, only 4 doors and they aren`t planning one. Polo WRC with 2 doors was the previous generation chassis. Same case was with the i20, at that time (homologation) it was only possible to use the 4 door version, 2 doors arrived later.

Same with Citroen C3 and Skoda Fabia (only 5-door road car available)

[Coach 2]

Are you sure that enough two doors are produced over a short enough time for it to be classified (homologated).

[Sulland]

So new R2T Fiesta mk8.
Will this one also come as R1T and R3T or R3C maybe?

[Sulland]

Now we have issues discussed in several threads about the new R class cars hitting the market in 2020. Better to discuss Rally 5 up to Rally 3(R1-R3)
R2 has been and still is a success, while R1 has not in most markets. The new one seems to have better odds.

And to get new people into the sport, the minor classes are important for recruitmemt and driver development.

Some quotes from other threads:

That would be a surprise. The new R1/R2/R3 rules have turned R1 into a sort of R2- and R3 into a R2+, as they all can now get a 5 speed sequential gearbox and a turbo engine up to 1333cc (with tuning levels upgraded according to the class). The new Clio has 1323cc and Renault Sport main aim is to provide an economical car for their rally cups; it’d be strange if they choose to develop it under the more expensive R3 class.

Anyway, from what I’ve heard (and mostly read) RS will start with a cheaper Clio (limited to 180cv) for rally cups use (probably a R1 or a ligth spec R2) and later provide a Kit (full R2 or, less likely, R3) for the drivers/teams eager to figth for 2wd wins. At the end of the month we’ll know better.

FIA has published new regulations that supports their new ladder for new talent. https://www.fia.com/file/75687/download/20698?token
Even if the cost of the R1 cars has gone up, it looks and feel like a car is a more buildt for purpose than the old, more standard cars. And the old ones are still allowed to use, and have good prices, but will then have a more intern competition, but a cheap ticket into the sport.

New Rally class ladder

https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/146456/plan-to-simplify-wrc-career-ladder-stepped-up

What I do not see in the FIA documemt, is something on the new 4wd rally 3 car, but I might have missed it, or it is too early?

From the R1 thread with tech detail:
Renault Sport simply calls it ‘Clio Rally’ but as expected the new Clio is a R1 rally car, developed according to future Rally 5 regs. Despite the 1.3T engine, tech specs are quite similar to the Fiesta R1 (5speed sgb, lsd, +30cv,-30kg) for an announced price of 42.000€ (4k less than Fiesta). For now it seems RS will be pretty busy building new cars for their 3 cups (Rally, Racing, RX) but a R2 kit could soon follow (bolder rumours also mention a Rally 3 version?!?).

ENGINE
Type : Renault HR13 – 4 Cylinders 1330cm3 Turbocharged
Max. Power : 180 BHP
Max. Torque : 300 N.m.
Cooling : Standard modified
Fuel management : Direct Injection Max. Engine Speed : 6500 rpm Electronics : ECU Life Racing
Fuel : SP98 Unleaded

Ford/MSport

Engine: turbo charged 999cc Ford EcoBoost
Horsepower: 150 HP at 5,750 RPM
Torque: 200Nm at 5,000 RPM

Prices:
the conversion kit is priced at €26,990.00 + VAT (not including donor car or wheels)
the fully-built, ready-to-race car is priced at €45,990.00 + VAT

Who's buying? :)

More details at:
https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-pos...FORD-FIESTA-R1 (https://www.m-sport.co.uk/single-post/2019/06/11/INTRODUCING-THE-ALL-NEW-FORD-FIESTA-R1)

Technical specification:
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/8fb932...cification.pdf (https://gallery.mailchimp.com/8fb932ef21e4f894b7a63ee24/files/7221426d-5e3d-430d-81a9-e5101cf2d590/R1_Technical_Specification.pdf)

[Tarmop]

Umh, you say that, apart from the engine, but it`s a very big component. 1/3 of torque difference and 30 bhp difference may also make quite a difference in materials...

[Rally Power]

Umh, you say that, apart from the engine, but it`s a very big component. 1/3 of torque difference and 30 bhp difference may also make quite a difference in materials...

More 30bhp seems reasonable considering it’s a 1.3 engine (Clio) vs a 1.0 (Fiesta) and that’s why they’re in different weigth classes (1080/1030kg) but the torque difference is really huge and quite puzzling.

[dimviii]

https://twitter.com/peugeotsport/status/1196414589359013890

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJ5kBv6XYAEp2_J?format=jpg&name=medium

[deephouse]

https://www.volkswagen-newsroom.com/en/press-releases/ready-for-the-electric-futurevolkswagen-is-focusing-its-motorsport-strategy-on-e-mobility-5614

''The Polo GTI R5 remains an integral part of Volkswagen Motorsport’s customer sport offering and will continue to be produced for customer teams. The Hanover base will be responsible for continued customer support, spare parts supply and the competitiveness of the Polo. Factory-backed competition entries with the Polo GTI R5 will no longer go ahead.''

[Andre Oliveira]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKaZZ7IWwAEcMaO?format=jpg&name=large

[Rally Power]

Yep, the FIA really knows how to make rally categories easy to understand…

No problems with turning R1 into Rally5, R2 into Rally4 and R5 into Rally2 but naming R4 as Rally2 Kit and to freeze Rally3 (probably until the future 4wdR2 cars appear, if ever) while keeping the old R3 designation sounds confusing. Besides, they didn’t change WRC to Rally1, as promised, and they kept RC Classes, which are now totally redundant.

Even if they were a rarity nowadays, old S2000/S1600/N4 and other N/A cars still homologated can't run WRC events anymore (no idea about other FIA series) and R3 new homologations will cease (this one makes sense once there’s now little difference to R2).

Overall, FIA new rally ladder is still incomplete and too focused on manus official tuners (even private homologations in RGT were banned and the only room for private tuners is the ever more invisible R4) making hard to get a larger diversity of cars and brands, as the sport needs.

[Franky]

Agree about the grand confusion they've managed to cook up.

[AnttiL]

At least now the class (eg RC2) and group (eg Rally2) have the same number :P

[Sulland]

Not sure if these figures have been published here.
New Rally Pyramid in two different versions.

1894
1895
not quite sure how I make the pics larger.