Swedish Rally 2010

[J.Lindstroem]

According to Värmlands Folkblad there is still a possibility for PG Andersson to drive a S2000. Peugeot Sweden has purposed a deal to him, in which he would be driving the 207 that previously has been driven by Sandell and Joge. According to VF PG says that if this is going to work, the swedish Peugeot retailers has to coopperate.

So PG is still not sure about what car. Anyway it would be great with little bit of a battle between PG and Sandell. =)

[RICARDO75]

Patrik Flodin will start in Pwrc in Rally Sweden with Aki Teiskonens Mitsubishi.

Source: www.patrikflodin.com (http://www.patrikflodin.com)

In PWRC or just rally sweden with a GR.N Mitsubishi?

[swordsman]

According to Värmlands Folkblad there is still a possibility for PG Andersson to drive a S2000. Peugeot Sweden has purposed a deal to him, in which he would be driving the 207 that previously has been driven by Sandell and Joge. According to VF PG says that if this is going to work, the swedish Peugeot retailers has to coopperate.

So PG is still not sure about what car. Anyway it would be great with little bit of a battle between PG and Sandell. =)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that article was written this morning? I spoke to PG at lunch and then he said that it was only Mitsu left. More info on my blog if you want...

[Mirek]

Peugeot 207 ex-Peugeot Sweden is currently owned by Jane Tuohino if he hasn't already sold it...

[Iskald]

28 drivers/teams on the list when entries closed at 15.00. Henning Solberg is not on the list, but his "manager" is quoted in http://www.motorsport.no at 12.19 today to be "70% sure" when it comes to Hennings continued rally career. He is also saying that they have "control" re. Hennings entry in Sweden. Don`t know what that means, maybe a deal with the organiser/FIA for a possible late entry?
Mikkelsen is also not on the entry list, but that surprises me, because he said two days ago that he will do Sweden in a Fiesta S2000.

[J.Lindstroem]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that article was written this morning? I spoke to PG at lunch and then he said that it was only Mitsu left. More info on my blog if you want...

Yeah maybe the article is outdated.. =)

[amilk]

28 drivers/teams on the list when entries closed at 15.00. Henning Solberg is not on the list, but his "manager" is quoted in http://www.motorsport.no at 12.19 today to be "70% sure" when it comes to Hennings continued rally career. He is also saying that they have "control" re. Hennings entry in Sweden. Don`t know what that means, maybe a deal with the organiser/FIA for a possible late entry?
Mikkelsen is also not on the entry list, but that surprises me, because he said two days ago that he will do Sweden in a Fiesta S2000.


the list on the official homepage not complete for sure - Grönholm, Raikönnen etc still missing and they participation almost sure

[bluuford]

So, by the end of closing time we have the following data (the list on web-page is not complete):

WRC
1. Loeb Citroen
2. Sordo Citroen
3. Hirvonen Ford
4. Latvala Ford
5. Wilson Ford
6. Räikkönen Citroen
7. Ogier Citroen
8. Mjerkenstein Ford
9. Mjerkenstein J Ford
10. Kuipers Ford
11. Kuipers Ford
12. Grönholm Ford
13. Therman Ford
14. Solberg Citroen
15. Qassimi Ford

SWRC
1. Tuohino Ford
2. Sousa Ford
3. Prokop Ford
4. Brynildsen Skoda
5. Sandell Skoda


PWRC
1. Andersson Mitsu
2. Araujo Mitsu
3. Czech Team (Semerald?)
4. Linari Subaru
5. Frisiero Mitsu

Other
1. Gonon, F. Subaru
2. Boland, E. Mitsu
3. Solowow Peugeot S2000
4. Mikkelsen Fiesta S2000
5. Kresta Mitsu
6. Green, B. Mitsu
7. Roman, J. Subaru
8. Flodin Mitsu
9. Strom Fiesta (n3)
10. Ketomäki, J. Mitsu
11. Pastila, I. Citroen (n2)
12. Ortfeldt, O. Mitsu
13. Muhonen, R. Mitsu
14. Villaneuva, A. Mitsu


likely will be there but not confirmed:
1. Ostberg, M WRC
2. Henning WRC
3. Gröndal wrc

So, 39 confirmed and 3 likely to be confirmed so far.

Anyone knows anything about Norwegian Subaru boys?

[Pascal 07]

Hello, In 2009 I regale the Rally d'Italia Sardegna, and I hope to regale in Sweden .........
For photos from sardegna, you can visit my site:

http://motors-photos.com

[Josti]

So, by the end of closing time we have the following data (the list on web-page is not complete):

WRC
1. Loeb Citroen
2. Sordo Citroen
3. Hirvonen Ford
4. Latvala Ford
5. Wilson Ford
6. Räikkönen Citroen
7. Ogier Citroen
8. Mjerkenstein Ford
9. Mjerkenstein J Ford
10. Kuipers Ford
11. Kuipers Ford
12. Grönholm Ford
13. Therman Ford
14. Solberg Citroen
15. Qassimi Ford

SWRC
1. Tuohino Ford
2. Sousa Ford
3. Prokop Ford
4. Brynildsen Skoda
5. Sandell Skoda


PWRC
1. Andersson Mitsu
2. Araujo Mitsu
3. Czech Team (Semerald?)
4. Linari Subaru
5. Frisiero Mitsu

Other
1. Gonon, F. Subaru
2. Boland, E. Mitsu
3. Solowow Peugeot S2000
4. Mikkelsen Fiesta S2000
5. Kresta Mitsu
6. Green, B. Mitsu
7. Roman, J. Subaru
8. Flodin Mitsu
9. Strom Fiesta (n3)
10. Ketomäki, J. Mitsu
11. Pastila, I. Citroen (n2)
12. Ortfeldt, O. Mitsu
13. Muhonen, R. Mitsu
14. Villaneuva, A. Mitsu

So, 39 confirmed and 3 likely to be confirmed so far.


Proper rate of World Rally Cars (I assume Ostberg on the list too), but the entrylist is really poor. Didn't thought we come to the point to see only 5 or 6 Swedes starting the SWEDISH Rally!

Btw, it's Van Merksteijn rather than "Mjerkenstein". Oh well, they'll be slow anyway. :)

[swordsman]

Proper rate of World Rally Cars (I assume Ostberg on the list too), but the entrylist is really poor. Didn't thought we come to the point to see only 5 or 6 Swedes starting the SWEDISH Rally!

Btw, it's Van Merksteijn rather than "Mjerkenstein". Oh well, they'll be slow anyway. :)

Remember that there's a Swedish Championship round running on some of the stages that form the WRC round at the same time, so you may see quite many swedes anyway. The entries for that round closes at midnight and is separate, so you may want to check out that one too :D

[hari]

The entry list (http://www.rallysweden.com/wrc/en/?page_id=63) on the Rally Sweden Website is now quite nice:

At the moment we have:
18 WRCs
8 S2000
23 other N4 cars
4 entrys in smaller classes (N2, N3, A7)

+ the swedish national championship round, it will be a great rally

[Mirek]

Now it's realy much better :)

[Simmi]

Yep looks good to me. Shame Galli isn't around but hopefully he will appear sometime this year.

[J.Lindstroem]

Per-Arne Sääv in a Fabia S2000? Is this really true?

[pino]

Great entry list, too sad Gigi isn't there :(

[pettersolberg29]

Interesting to see Henning is still in his 08 Focus - surely he would now have an 09 one for the Stobart Team?
Anyway, much better list now than 24 hours ago - good number of battles for lower points postions and even chance for a fight for the win if JML and Petter and even Sordo can get to grips with the Mikko and Seb duo!

Also look forward to seeing Mikkelsen in the Fiesta S2000 - might be more representative of the Fiesta's speed than Mikko in Monte Carlo. Andreas is incredibly talented, but Mikko should take the Fiesta much further than most drivers could.

[Jayjay-Rallye]

The list is very good, for the first events of the season it's a perfect!!

[swordsman]

Per-Arne Sääv in a Fabia S2000? Is this really true?

Yep, it's true! He has a wildcard from the organizer... :)

And by the way, what a list! Damn, WRC has stars + driving skills, group N will be an incredible Swede fight and the Super2000 guys will kill each other. Wow!

[ProRally]

Henning Solberg with Ilka Minor on Swedish Entry list :D

[Viktory]

I don't regret booking flights back home now :p

[RS]

I see that Gronholm is driving for "Stobart" Guess he will be nominated?

How come the Fiestas are listed as class A7?

Most interesting things are Marcus, Kimi and S-WRC. Other than that the list looks a lot like most rallies from 2009.

[br21]

Grondal in gp. N Impreza?

[Salist]

Hello, In 2009 I regale the Rally d'Italia Sardegna, and I hope to regale in Sweden .........
For photos from sardegna, you can visit my site:

http://motors-photos.com

Very nice moments and photos!!! We were 3x on Rallye Sardegna too, very nice island and very good race. Maybe we going to in this year to the IRC race.

[Pascal 07]

Very nice moments and photos!!! We were 3x on Rallye Sardegna too, very nice island and very good race. Maybe we going to in this year to the IRC race.

Too bad this rally of Sardinia is not 2010.En WRC in Sweden will be less hot when Sardinia ................ :D

[Leon]

Seeing the entry list, just crossed my mind a certain swedish driver named Daniel Carlsson. What he is up to? carreer destroyed?

[pucky54]

Too bad this rally of Sardinia is not 2010.En WRC in Sweden will be less hot when Sardinia ................ :D

Sardinia will be IRC so it will be more interesting than in the previous WRC years!!

[Tomi]

Very good entrylist like always in Sweden, hopefully the snow will remain.

[bluuford]

Very good entrylist like always in Sweden, hopefully the snow will remain.

Currently no warm weather on the sight. At least not on next 2 weeks. And plenty of snow.

Is the entry list final? Seems like 19 WRcars and at least 12 of them are Focus-es. Actually, if someone sent application by mail with yesterdays post stamp then those can still be added;-)

[Tomi]

Currently no warm weather on the sight. At least not on next 2 weeks. And plenty of snow.

Is the entry list final? Seems like 19 WRcars and at least 12 of them are Focus-es. Actually, if someone sent application by mail with yesterdays post stamp then those can still be added;-)


They might accept late entrys else too, i belive some drivers program is still not ready negotiated.

[Ghostwalker]

Seeing the entry list, just crossed my mind a certain swedish driver named Daniel Carlsson. What he is up to? carreer destroyed?

yeah i think his career is pretty much destroyed. you know he had this sponsor campign called
World Rally Against Drunk Driving and then he was caught with drunk driving so i doubt that he will find any sponsors
willing to sponsor him because of that.

[swordsman]

yeah i think his career is pretty much destroyed. you know he had this sponsor campign called
World Rally Against Drunk Driving and then he was caught with drunk driving so i doubt that he will find any sponsors
willing to sponsor him because of that.

He did South Swedish Rally 2009 in a WRC focus. However, currently there are no plans to do a larger comeback.

[Leon]

yeah i think his career is pretty much destroyed. you know he had this sponsor campign called
World Rally Against Drunk Driving and then he was caught with drunk driving so i doubt that he will find any sponsors
willing to sponsor him because of that.

thank you

[Iskald]

Grondal in gp. N Impreza?

Yes, lots of funs for a lot less cash...
Btw, Mads Østberg will most probably not drive the Impreza S14 in Sweden. He is "finished" with the car after a meaningless struggle in 2009 trying to get it to function. Last saturday during the norwegian championship rally he told that he never became comfortable with the S14. The car was unpredictable, unconsistent, unreliable and very difficult to drive, said Mads. However the Adapta team has a collection of S9s, S10s and S12Bs. Mads used the S12B last saturday, and he was very happy with the car - as he is with the S10, which is actually his favourite. I still think he will use the S12B in Sweden.

Mads also hinted that he was interested in driving a S2000 this season. The Adapta team has not confirmed their WRC programme yet. Last years problems with the S14 - and the probable decision not to rally it in 2010 - makes for a lot of uncertainty at this moment.

[Sami]

Harry Hunt is driving Fiesta, now that the classes seem to me all mixed up, is it a R2, S2000 or N3?

[Hartusvuori]

Last saturday during the norwegian championship rally he told that he never became comfortable with the S14.

They should call Jari Ketomaa. Or vice versa.

[RICARDO75]

Harry Hunt is driving Fiesta, now that the classes seem to me all mixed up, is it a R2, S2000 or N3?
http://images.motorsport.co.uk/resize/227x227/f37b26135be0d87ab48bccffb28e16a8.jpg

http://images.motorsport.co.uk/resize/227x227/f37b26135be0d87ab48bccffb28e16a8.jpg

It´s a Ford Fiesta ST Gr.A car class 7

[Sami]

But he's entered in MC with a R2.

And half of the S2000 cars are in N4 and half of them in A7 category for some reason...

[Mirek]

That must be mistake. S2000 belongs to N4 according to international sporting code.

[vino_93]

Per-Arne Sääv in a Fabia S2000? Is this really true?

Is he a good driver ? I don't know him :o ops:

[Sami]

]That must be mistake. S2000 belongs to N4 according to international sporting code.

Ok, now they are corrected (as well asDany Snobeck added in 307 wrc!), and it seems that Hunt is the only one remaining in A7, so Fiesta ST group A.

[bluuford]

So, it seems final entry list. 54 Entrants 19 WRcars, 8 S2000 cars, 23 Production cars (N4) and 4 other cars.
WRC
1. Loeb Citroen
2. Sordo Citroen
3. Hirvonen Ford
4. Latvala Ford
5. Wilson Ford
6. Räikkönen Citroen
7. Ogier Citroen
8. Mjerkenstein Ford
9. Mjerkenstein J Ford
10. Kuipers Ford
11. Kuipers Ford
12. Grönholm Ford
13. Therman Ford
14. Solberg, P Citroen
15. Qassimi Ford
16. Solberg, H Ford
17. Arolainen, J. Ford
18. Ostberg, M. Subaru
19. Snobeck, D. Peugeot

S2000
1. Tuohino Ford
2. Sousa Ford
3. Prokop Ford
4. Brynildsen Skoda
5. Sandell Skoda
6. Mikkelsen, A. Ford
7. Solowow, M Peugeot
8. Sääv, P-A. Skoda


Production Cars (N4)

1. Andersson Mitsu
2. Araujo Mitsu
3. Semerad Mitsu
4. Linari Subaru
5. Frisiero Mitsu
6. Gonon, F. Subaru
7. Boland, E. Mitsu
8. Kresta Mitsu
9. Green, B. Mitsu
10. Roman, J. Subaru
11. Flodin Mitsu
12. Ketomäki, J. Mitsu
13. Ortfeldt, O. Mitsu
14. Muhonen, R. Mitsu
15. Villaneuva, A. Mitsu
16. Aasen, M. Subaru
17. Gröndal, A Subaru
18. Jardine, T. Subaru
19. Laivola, J. Mitsu
20. Nyman, J. Mitsu
21. Tibor, E. Subaru
22. Nobre, P. Mitsu
23. Gassner, H. Mitsu

Other cars:
1. Strom Fiesta (n3)
2. Pastila, I. Citroen (n2)
3. Hunt, H. Fiesta (a7)
4. Hütönen, J. Swift (n2)

[Ghostwalker]

Is he a good driver ? I don't know him :o ops:

read more about him here (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww3.idrottonline.se%2Ftemplates%2F Page.aspx%3Fid%3D307284&sl=sv&tl=en)

He have once won the 2WD class in the Swedish Championship and
he have won his class in the Swedish rally.

[J.Lindstroem]

Is he a good driver ? I don't know him :o ops:

I've got the impression from the swedish championship that he is quite a good driver. Not the class of Andersson or Flodin or even Sandell but he is good.

He is born in 1960, so he's not a young driver. Thats the reason why i am suprised that he got the wild card.

[J.Lindstroem]

Great entrylist btw. All classes have interesting names!

[vino_93]

hum, maybe he will do a good perf' :)
What Fabia will he drive ?

[Mirek]

Maybe the new one from Jarkko Miettinen?

[Sulland]

http://images.motorsport.co.uk/resize/227x227/f37b26135be0d87ab48bccffb28e16a8.jpg

http://images.motorsport.co.uk/resize/227x227/f37b26135be0d87ab48bccffb28e16a8.jpg

It´s a Ford Fiesta ST Gr.A car class 7

So it is not a normal ST in N3 as he normally drives, but upgraded to Group A ?
Does anyone know the spec of a car like that, how much HP and Torque ?

Or will he use the same Fiesta R2 as he will drive in MC ?

[bluuford]

They are saying that they had fax machine problem in Rally Sweden HQ and some entries didn't go through and some more entries are expected. They say that it is possible they have 60 entries when everything is cleared :-)

[Tom206wrc]

Interesting and surprising the presence of Dany Snobeck with the Bozian whale :eek:

[swordsman]

Interesting and surprising the presence of Dany Snobeck with the Bozian whale :eek:

Sure, nice to see the whale back! Can you inform us on who Snobeck is? I have no clue :P

[Hartusvuori]

Sure, nice to see the whale back! Can you inform us on who Snobeck is? I have no clue :P

All I know he finished 10th in Catalunya last season. And that he's over 60 years old.

[J.Lindstroem]

All I know he finished 10th in Catalunya last season. And that he's over 60 years old.

He's born on May 2, 1946 (actually the same year as my countryman Stig Blomqvist). So he'll be 64 by this year. Amazing that these old men still are competing is'nt it?

[bluuford]

All I know he finished 10th in Catalunya last season. And that he's over 60 years old.
Yes he is very old and dont have too much international experience.
He took part in Sweden in 2003 amd then he retired on the 10th stage due to the electrical problems. He was driving Subaru (n4).
He has driven with Seat Cordoma WRC, Impreza WRC and lately with whale.

He has done Monte Carlo rally nearly 10 times since 1979 with various cars (Renault, Mercededs, Volkswagen, Ford).

Couple of times he has done Mont Blanc rally and rally du var.

So, he is not stranger with snow :-)

And he is 63 years old, this year will be 64 :-)

[swordsman]

Yes he is very old and dont have too much international experience.
He took part in Sweden in 2003 amd then he retired on the 10th stage due to the electrical problems. He was driving Subaru (n4).
He has driven with Seat Cordoma WRC, Impreza WRC and lately with whale.

He has done Monte Carlo rally nearly 10 times since 1979 with various cars (Renault, Mercededs, Volkswagen, Ford).

Couple of times he has done Mont Blanc rally and rally du var.

So, he is not stranger with snow :-)

And he is 63 years old, this year will be 64 :-)

Wow, I'm ashamed I didn't know who he is. However, thanks for the info. Nice with such an old man in the forest, just hope he's not an old gentleman :D

[bluuford]

And I forgot to mention that he was French rally champion in 2008 :-) with his whale.

[RICARDO75]

Dany Snobeck was the winner of the Rallye Lyon in the french tarmac championship 2009, with the 307 WRC
http://www.ffsa.org/res_rallye.php?if=CUMUL_11&&idEpr=11&&typeCr=Saint%20Appolinaire%20-%20Ternand&&id=946&&catCourse=ral&&typf=oth&&typRes=tem&&typeCoupe=

http://www.ffsa.org/images/090418_lyon/01509004_016_SNOBECK.jpg

[Sami]

I think for most of us Dany Snobeck is better known as a racing driver, Le Mans -man, and top driver in Andros Trophy too!

If I don't remember totally wrong he actually rolled in 2003 on Vargåsen stage SS10?!

[swordsman]

The former World's Strongest Man Magnus Samuelsson will start in a group N Impreza in Sweden :) More info on rallysweden.com (or on my blog if you need english)

[swordsman]

PG Andersson changed his mind and drives a Skoda Fabia Super2000 in Sweden! What a class we will get! Andersson, Sandell, Mikkelsen, Brynhildsen, Prokop... Wow! That will be the fight of the rally!

[Mirek]

Wau, do You know which team will he have the Fabia from?

[swordsman]

]Wau, do You know which team will he have the Fabia from?

I'll try to find out :)

[serial jeff]

The former World's Strongest Man Magnus Samuelsson will start in a group N Impreza in Sweden :) More info on rallysweden.com (or on my blog if you need english)

How is he even going to fit in the car??

[swordsman]

]Wau, do You know which team will he have the Fabia from?

JM Engineering in Slovakia. :)

[Mirek]

Thank You. It's Czech team by the way ;)

[swordsman]

]Thank You. It's Czech team by the way ;)

Aha, thanks for that info :)

[RS]

PG Andersson changed his mind and drives a Skoda Fabia Super2000 in Sweden! What a class we will get! Andersson, Sandell, Mikkelsen, Brynhildsen, Prokop... Wow! That will be the fight of the rally!

Excellent, he was awesome in the Fabia WRC last year.

My guess is that PG, Mikkelsen and maybe Brynildsen will be front runners in class N4 in Sweden.

[Simmi]

That S2000 battle is really going to be something. Great news for us and for P-G.

[J.Lindstroem]

PG and Mikkelsen are the fastest i think, and the fight for 3rd is between Sandell and Brynildsen. But don't forget Per-Arne Sääv... ;)

[pettersolberg29]

Mikkelsen should challenge if the Fiesta is everything it's made out to be. PG and Bryn should give a great battle - like a mini-IRC rally!

[Salist]

PG Andersson changed his mind and drives a Skoda Fabia Super2000 in Sweden! What a class we will get! Andersson, Sandell, Mikkelsen, Brynhildsen, Prokop... Wow! That will be the fight of the rally!

Wow...It's a great news.
Thanks Swordsman.

[Ghostwalker]

more info about Magnus Samuelsson's participation in the Swedish Rally:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/motor/rally/article6428374.ab

[alleskids]

Can PG, Mikkelsen aand Saav score points in SWRC and influence the SWRC championship?

[hari]

Can PG, Mikkelsen aand Saav score points in SWRC and influence the SWRC championship?

PG and Sääv got the SWRC-wildcards from the organiser, so they can score points. Mikkelsen can not.

[amilk]

Somone who knows the stages - is there other spectacular jump in the route out of the colin's crest?
I'm not sure to be able to see all the stages before the start and would be helpfull to hav some info

[swordsman]

Somone who knows the stages - is there other spectacular jump in the route out of the colin's crest?
I'm not sure to be able to see all the stages before the start and would be helpfull to hav some info

I'm not sure I understand the question, but Colin's crest _is_ a spectacular jump on the Vargåsen stage.

[amilk]

I'm not sure I understand the question, but Colin's crest _is_ a spectacular jump on the Vargåsen stage.

Thanks swordsman. Out of the well known Colin's crest is there an other jump which coud be good to see? I saw one video from a jump on Bjelverud but this stage will not run this year

And let me have other questions - is there frozen lake stage this year?

[Vargåsen]

I'm not sure I understand the question, but Colin's crest _is_ a spectacular jump on the Vargåsen stage.

There are more jumps on the Vargåsen stage before the cars reach Colin's Crest, along the Älgtjärn and Jangen lakes.

And there are three jumps in a row in the middle of the Fredriksberg stage.

And they will create a jump close to the finish of the last stage, Värmullsåsen.

These are the best ones I have seen or heard of on this year's rally stages.

[Krigen]

They should call Jari Ketomaa. Or vice versa.

Why is that??

[Tomi]

Why is that??

he has no problem with driving that car.

[Salist]

Khalid Al Qassimi...on the "Vargasen" stages ...probably.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXyhZdiZfOo

[hari]

Khalid Al Qassimi...on the "Vargasen" stages ...probably.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXyhZdiZfOo

This was on stage "Hagors" 2008. This year the stage is called "Värmullsåsen", short after the start.

[Salist]

This was on stage "Hagors" 2008. This year the stage is called "Värmullsåsen", short after the start.

Thanks Hari.
Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the stages. :(

[Salist]

This year we will also. :)

[Walach]

he has no problem with driving that car.

I know he was testing S14, are you talking about it? Cause he never started with this car.... :)

[Tomi]

I know he was testing S14, are you talking about it? Cause he never started with this car.... :)

yes about that.

[Walach]

Ok. Could you send me PM with more info? Thx ;)

[fastboy]

Can anyone direct me to some on board videos of the stages being used this year?

[hari]

Can anyone direct me to some on board videos of the stages being used this year?

Here are some:
SS Hagfors 2008 - The first 14 km are part of SS Värmullsäsen this year
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/getvideo.php?id=242

SS Rämmen 2008 - identical 2010:
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/getvideo.php?id=240

[VFTS]

Do someone have some information about the Viggen stage on friday.

Good spectatorpoints, jumps and so on....

[Ghostwalker]

Can anyone direct me to some on board videos of the stages being used this year?

Sebastien Loeb on Vargåsen (2006 edition):

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTHi0f9DwM0
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haw5ybEANE8
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6yzdF7U98

[Micke_VOC]

I Heard rumour today that Ostberg will drive Ford Focus Wrc 08 in sweden.. Anyone more who have heard that ?

[J.Lindstroem]

I Heard rumour today that Ostberg will drive Ford Focus Wrc 08 in sweden.. Anyone more who have heard that ?

I have not heard this. Would be awsome!

What's the source?

[Simmi]

Ostberg could definately do some damage to the top 8 in a Focus. Would be nice to see him in a proven rally winning package.

Dream scenario would be for him to do Sweden in a Focus followed by SWRC in a Fabia/Fiesta. Hopefully these rumours have some factual basis.

[Slipzen]

Sebastien Loeb on Vargåsen (2006 edition):

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTHi0f9DwM0
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haw5ybEANE8
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS6yzdF7U98

The footages of Loeb are awesome. I especially like the twisty part in middle of part 1. Does any local hero knows if the road north from Sågfallet is open and plowed this year? If so, it will be possible to come close to the signal post R91 in the middle of that twisty section.

[Krigen]

The footages of Loeb are awesome. I especially like the twisty part in middle of part 1. Does any local hero knows if the road north from Sågfallet is open and plowed this year? If so, it will be possible to come close to the signal post R91 in the middle of that twisty section.

That was a very nice part.. And almost no spectators.. Probably everyone is at colin`s crest hehe..

[Krigen]

Does the stage run same direction this year as in 2006?? And same direction as 2008??

[bennizw]

I Heard rumour today that Ostberg will drive Ford Focus Wrc 08 in sweden.. Anyone more who have heard that ?

That was new to me. Where have you heard that from?

[Vargåsen]

The footages of Loeb are awesome. I especially like the twisty part in middle of part 1. Does any local hero knows if the road north from Sågfallet is open and plowed this year? If so, it will be possible to come close to the signal post R91 in the middle of that twisty section.

The road from Sågfallet will probably not be plowed since there will be no spectator area or officials there, but I can check this closer to the rally. But it is only 3,0 km from the Sätterbäcken spectator area(R92), so it's possible to walk there in half an hour.

[Sulland]

That was new to me. Where have you heard that from?

He will drive a Subaru S12B, according to the latest info from Adapta.

[Micke_VOC]

That was new to me. Where have you heard that from?

I heard it from one spectator on the Rallytest in Hadeland yesterday, but i checked the rumour with one in adapta, and they have not decided yet if they will use s12b or s14 in sweden.

There are no Focus 08 available from M-sport says my source in adapta.

[MartijnS]

What about the snowconditions at the moment?

[swordsman]

What about the snowconditions at the moment?

Strange conditions just one degree or so under zero and some kind of mixed snow/freezing rain just a little north of Karlstad. My friend there told me he got a centimeter of ice covering the car this morning, so I guess it's perfect for covering the stages with a little more icy stuff. Forecast says similar weather tomorrow, then it will go colder bit by bit and next week around -12 degrees. Since earlier, there is some snow but not enormous amounts. However, should be good enough to run a solid snow rally. :) So... Looks good, so far. This weeks weather (best would be some rain showers) and then cold and hopefully more snow would make up perfect conditions.

[Salist]

What about the snowconditions at the moment?

Webcams...

SUNNE
http://hu.webcams.travel/webcam/1216893303-Weather-Sunne-Riksv%C3%A4g-45-vid-Kolsn%C3%A4s-Rottneros

HALLEFORS
http://www.hellefors.se/torget/vader1.html

KARLSTAD
http://www.vaderkanalen.se/polopoly_fs/1.349622!webcampopup.html?city=karlstad

[hari]

What about the snowconditions at the moment?

Snowheight:
http://www.smhi.se/klimatdata/meteorologi/sno/snodjup-2.722

[harriswrc]

http://www.rallysweden.com/WordPress/wrc_en/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/rally-sweden-2010-draft-entry-list-2.pdf

New entries Sauvan (Focus WRC07), Hanninen (Fabia S2000), Tanak (Impreza N)

[Barreis]

Snobeck behind a wheel of 307 again..

[hari]

http://www.rallysweden.com/WordPress/wrc_en/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/rally-sweden-2010-draft-entry-list-2.pdf

New entries Sauvan (Focus WRC07), Hanninen (Fabia S2000), Tanak (Impreza N)

Great! Now we have 20 WRCs and 10 S2000 on the list!

[RS]

http://www.rallysweden.com/WordPress/wrc_en/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/rally-sweden-2010-draft-entry-list-2.pdf

New entries Sauvan (Focus WRC07), Hanninen (Fabia S2000), Tanak (Impreza N)

Cool. I wonder who's Fabia Hanninen is driving?

I think the S2000 class will be much more competitive than the WRC class. Hanninen had it easy in Finland last year but it should be a fight this time!

[bluuford]

Wow! 58 entries now. And very good drivers have been added. Skodas entry in Sweden is just Hanninen´s own interest on Skodas bigger plan? I really expected that Tänak finds funds for Sweden as well and I was little bit disappointed when I didn't found him from the list. Now I am over the moon :-)
now we have very good entry in WRC, SWRC and PWRC as well!
Tänak does the first snow rally already this weekend in Southern-Estonia

[Hartusvuori]

It will be very interesting to see how Hänninen's pace compares to S-WRC drivers. I expect him to be the fastest, but not in a way he were in Finland last year. Were Sweden 2008 Hänninen's last real snow rally? If so this will be his first real snow rally on Skoda.

[Slipzen]

http://www.rallysweden.com/WordPress/wrc_en/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/rally-sweden-2010-draft-entry-list-2.pdf

New entries Sauvan (Focus WRC07), Hanninen (Fabia S2000), Tanak (Impreza N)

With Hänninen added to the list I just miss Garde if I compare it with MC entry list. Well, maybe also Kopecky, Wilks and Meeke had been interesting to see ;)
Of course it would have been nice to see Mattias Ekstrom as well in a Skoda Fabia S-2000 but I reckon that is just in my dreams :)

[Langdale Forest]

I still think Hirvonen will win the rally.

[Ondra WRC]

Hanninen will have a car from Skoda Motorsport? :confused:

[Tomi]

It will be very interesting to see how Hänninen's pace compares to S-WRC drivers.

Agree, 1 of the most interesting issues, there is so many miracle drivers present, wonder if Hänninen has the balls to show up there at all. :)

[Krigen]

Agree, 1 of the most interesting issues, there is so many miracle drivers present, wonder if Hänninen has the balls to show up there at all. :)

Hehe.. I think Mikkelsen and PG will be the fastest ;)

[Tomi]

Hehe.. I think Mikkelsen and PG will be the fastest ;)

That is what i mean, it has been so much talk about him, now we finally have someones to measure him against in about equal cars, else also this rally might have big importance, it will partly deside who will get works seats in the future.

[Krigen]

That is what i mean, it has been so much talk about him, now we finally have someones to measure him against in about equal cars, else also this rally might have big importance, it will partly deside who will get works seats in the future.

It will be an exiting rally for sure.. Both in WRC and S2000..

[Koppomsbo]

If we are lucky maybe we can get Flat Out driving for all weekend :D

[RS]

That is what i mean, it has been so much talk about him, now we finally have someones to measure him against in about equal cars, else also this rally might have big importance, it will partly deside who will get works seats in the future.

Talk about who? Are you talking about Hanninen or Mikkelsen?

[Tomi]

Talk about who? Are you talking about Hanninen or Mikkelsen?

About Mikkelsen, but Mikkelsen has been driving a WRC car, now when he is in same type of car as his main rivals for factory seats, its easier to compaire.

[bluuford]

Ott Tänak announced that he is planning to use Kuldar Sikk (co-driver for Urmo Aava) during this years program as long as he is available.

[Krigen]

Henning will do this week`s 2`n NM round, Moubtain rally as preparation to Swedish rally.. With a 05 Focus and without doing the reecce though..

[Iskald]

About Mikkelsen, but Mikkelsen has been driving a WRC car, now when he is in same type of car as his main rivals for factory seats, its easier to compaire.

Andreas Mikkelsen has been up against PG Andersson a number of times the last year in comparable machinery. Latest in Sigdalsrally 9. january. PG in Mitsu EVO IX and Mikkelsen in Subaru Impreza Sti Cup (both in N4). After eight stages (105 km) Mikkelsen was ahead by 28 seconds, but PG withdrew before the finish ramp.

[Sulland]

That is what i mean, it has been so much talk about him, now we finally have someones to measure him against in about equal cars, else also this rally might have big importance, it will partly deside who will get works seats in the future.

Yes will be fun to see him compete with all the other S2000 cars !
Dont think there is much doubt on the talent, bur I am not that objective on fellow Norwegians of course :s mokin:

[Tomi]

Andreas Mikkelsen has been up against PG Andersson a number of times the last year in comparable machinery. Latest in Sigdalsrally 9. january. PG in Mitsu EVO IX and Mikkelsen in Subaru Impreza Sti Cup (both in N4). After eight stages (105 km) Mikkelsen was ahead by 28 seconds, but PG withdrew before the finish ramp.

Ahaa, i did not know, but now there is a few more, to watch.

[Salist]

Has somebody detailed maps of Likenas and Torntorp special stages???

[hari]

Has somebody detailed maps of Likenas and Torntorp special stages???

http://www.rallysweden.com/wrc/doc/Rally%20Guide%202%202010%20-%20Appendix%202%20-%20Maps.pdf

[Viking]

FIA approved

http://www.rallysweden.com/WordPress/wrc/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/entry-list-as-approved-by-fia.pdf

Marcus & Henning nominated Stobart drivers, will get some manu-points methinks :)

[fastboy]

What will the running order on day 1 be?
Loeb is obviously 1st on the road but is it then in number order or the overall championship finishing places from last season.

[Fly]

What will the running order on day 1 be?
Loeb is obviously 1st on the road but is it then in number order or the overall championship finishing places from last season.

Championship finishing places from last season.

[Ghostwalker]

FIA approved

http://www.rallysweden.com/WordPress/wrc/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/entry-list-as-approved-by-fia.pdf :)

+ the Swe Champ participants (Friday+Saturday only):

http://www.rallysweden.com/varmlandrunt/?page_id=345

[Salist]

+ the Swe Champ participants (Friday+Saturday only):

http://www.rallysweden.com/varmlandrunt/?page_id=345

Wow... + 6 WRC

[Ghostwalker]

Wow... + 6 WRC

7 actually ;)


Björn Persson Anders Olsson Ford Focus WRC[/*:m:hp5sost0]
Dick Wicksell Niklas Fransson Subaru WRC[/*:m:hp5sost0]
Jonas Wigren Jon Magnusson Ford Focus WRC[/*:m:hp5sost0]
Kjell Sandberg Mikael Ståhl Toyota Corolla WRC[/*:m:hp5sost0]
Kristian Johansson Fredrik Livh Mitsubishi Evo 6,5 WRC[/*:m:hp5sost0]
Mats Jonsson Johnny Johansson Ford Escort WRC[/*:m:hp5sost0]
Mikael Lindqvist Pre Andersson Ford Focus WRC[/*:m:hp5sost0]

[Salist]

7 actually ;)


Björn Persson Anders Olsson Ford Focus WRC[/*:m:d4m3rn56]
Dick Wicksell Niklas Fransson Subaru WRC[/*:m:d4m3rn56]
Jonas Wigren Jon Magnusson Ford Focus WRC[/*:m:d4m3rn56]
Kjell Sandberg Mikael Ståhl Toyota Corolla WRC[/*:m:d4m3rn56]
Kristian Johansson Fredrik Livh Mitsubishi Evo 6,5 WRC[/*:m:d4m3rn56]
Mats Jonsson Johnny Johansson Ford Escort WRC[/*:m:d4m3rn56]
Mikael Lindqvist Pre Andersson Ford Focus WRC[/*:m:d4m3rn56]

grrrrr, I'am blind... :)

[Micke_VOC]

7 actually ;)


Björn Persson Anders Olsson Ford Focus WRC[/*:m:1sijiqxq]
Dick Wicksell Niklas Fransson Subaru WRC[/*:m:1sijiqxq]
Jonas Wigren Jon Magnusson Ford Focus WRC[/*:m:1sijiqxq]
Kjell Sandberg Mikael Ståhl Toyota Corolla WRC[/*:m:1sijiqxq]
Kristian Johansson Fredrik Livh Mitsubishi Evo 6,5 WRC[/*:m:1sijiqxq]
Mats Jonsson Johnny Johansson Ford Escort WRC[/*:m:1sijiqxq]
Mikael Lindqvist Pre Andersson Ford Focus WRC[/*:m:1sijiqxq]

Lindqvist car is a 2005 ( EG53 BDU)
And Wicksell is a S10.

The others Focus is 1999 to 2002 .

[Mirek]

Evo 6,5 is group A car, not WRC.

[Jayjay-Rallye]

grrrrr, I'am blind... :)

On which special stages are they run?

And when?

[Langdale Forest]

+ the Swe Champ participants (Friday+Saturday only):

http://www.rallysweden.com/varmlandrunt/?page_id=345


Do they run behind the WRC field on the same stages?

[hari]

On which special stages are they run?

And when?

They run SS 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 behind the WRC field

[Salist]

They run SS 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 behind the WRC field

Thanks hari, great news. :)

[EavesFan09]

FIA approved

http://www.rallysweden.com/WordPress/wrc/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/entry-list-as-approved-by-fia.pdf

Marcus & Henning nominated Stobart drivers, will get some manu-points methinks :)

A8 are the WRC entries and N4 is the PWRC presumably, but what class and group number are the JWRC and SWRC denoted by?

[Ghostwalker]

A8 are the WRC entries and N4 is the PWRC presumably, but what class and group number are the JWRC and SWRC denoted by?

S2000 are also designated N4.
I dont know about JWRC.

[Tomi]

It will be interesting to see a good battle between the S2000, now when Ford did show its a winning car, its up to the drivers.

[Krigen]

It will be interesting to see a good battle between the S2000, now when Ford did show its a winning car, its up to the drivers.

Looking forward to that! many possible winners..Also in the wrc class it`s many different that can win.. Loeb, Latvala, Hirvonen, maybe even Petter and Marcus

[EavesFan09]

S2000 are also designated N4.
I dont know about JWRC.

Be just intersting to know what driver, other than the ones I already know about, will be competing in what champioship. Tony Jardine is down as competing in an Impreza.

[Ghostwalker]

its looking good weather wise.
plenty of snow in the area and more is expected during the middle of next week with possibilities for even more snow during the next weekend.

At least another 10cm of snow is expected and the forecasts says that it from about 1 week from now and onwards will become much colder again.

[Langdale Forest]

This may be a strange question but it is better than me starting a new thread! :)

Which Rally Sweeden had the deepest snowbanks/amount of snow?

[PuddleJumper]

Do you honestly expect someone to give you a real answer to that question? How on earth can anyone know? Do you think someone has measured the depth of the snowbanks on every inch of every stage of every Swedish Rally?

Can you tell me the longest blade of grass that's ever grown in your local park?

[pettersolberg29]

6" in my park, but granted that is unusually high.

edit: People have PMed me for more info. For those interested it was 1978 - a lush, mild winter. The park is the Julian Hewitt Playing Fields.

[bluuford]

Do you honestly expect someone to give you a real answer to that question? How on earth can anyone know? Do you think someone has measured the depth of the snowbanks on every inch of every stage of every Swedish Rally?

Can you tell me the longest blade of grass that's ever grown in your local park?

Actually I can do that. My colleagues in Sweden are measuring the depth of snow all winter long and they have done analysis how the length, beginning date, ending date and maximum date of snow cover has changed :-) So, the database actually exists, but you are right, it takes too much effort to find answer for LR :-)

[Ghostwalker]

This may be a strange question but it is better than me starting a new thread! :)

Which Rally Sweeden had the deepest snowbanks/amount of snow?

i dont know during the rally but the highest snow depth ever measured in Värmland is 180cm which was in late March 1951.

[Rallyper]

1985 when Ari Vatanen won in his Peugeot 205 was a year with much snow. Dont know if it was worst year but certainly one of them.

[hari]

Seeing the videos of the Rally Finnskogsvalsen this weekend around Torsby it looks really like perfect winter conditions. Its not far from the area of Rally Sweden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPGrq7SXFdo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr60LZpUkoE

[RS]

It will be interesting to see a good battle between the S2000, now when Ford did show its a winning car, its up to the drivers.

Indeed, although for Sweden I think the better drivers are in the Skoda, so if the Ford guys can keep up with them it will show it is on top already.

[Mirek]

Mikkelsen is in Ford ;)

[RS]

]Mikkelsen is in Ford ;)

Yes, I would say Mikkelsen in the exception, and maybe for Sweden only Tuohino although he was pretty slow in the 207 in Finland last year.

[Tomi]

My guess is that Andersson and Hänninen drives for the win, Tuohino even that he is not so fast anymore, has always been good on snow will be third, while the rest is propably "still learning the car".

[Sulland]

Seeing the videos of the Rally Finnskogsvalsen this weekend around Torsby it looks really like perfect winter conditions. Its not far from the area of Rally Sweden.


Hopefully the snow and ice sole under the snow is good enough for the gravel not to play a role !

[Krigen]

After Mountain rally Eivind Brynildsen said he was alot on the rev limiter, the car topped 174 kmh.. Sweden is a much faster rallly, i hope there is a longer gearbox they can change to, or they will be blubbing at the limit a lot of the time in sweden the s2000 boys..

[Mirek]

I don't know exact dynamic radius of snow tyre but with tarmac tyres top speed of Fabia is either 171 or 179 km/h.

[pucky54]

Don't they have three different gear ratios to choose from?

[Mirek]

As far as I know there are only two for Fabia.

[ProRally]

After Mountain rally Eivind Brynildsen said he was alot on the rev limiter, the car topped 174 kmh.. Sweden is a much faster rallly, i hope there is a longer gearbox they can change to, or they will be blubbing at the limit a lot of the time in sweden the s2000 boys..

Nasser said in Qatar his Fiesta was at 165 km/h top, so also they need longer ratio for Swedish....

[Sami]

The same problem applies to all of the s2000 cars, the longer gear ratios leave to low torque engines short of power and still short of top speed.


Kristian Sohlberg swifted back to group n Impreza as he said there's no chance to succeed in a S2000 car in Finland and his results since have pretty much proved that.

[Jayjay-Rallye]

They run SS 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12 behind the WRC field

Thanks Hari! :)
How many times after the last car of the WRC list?

[Mirek]

Kristian Sohlberg swifted back to group n Impreza as he said there's no chance to succeed in a S2000 car in Finland and his results since have pretty much proved that.

However results of Hänninen or Alén proved opposite.

[EavesFan09]

Looking more in-depth into the groups and classes in the various championships (JWRC, SWRC, PWRC & WRC), would it be fair to say that if it is a Ford Fiesta, Skoda Fabia or Peugeot 207 it can only be a SWRC entry, if it is an Evo or Impreza it can only be a PWRC and if it is a model such as a Suzuki Swift, Citroen Saxo or Renault Clio it can only be a JWRC entry?

[Mirek]

Every JWRC/SWRC/PWRC competitor pays very expensive championship entry fee. If You let every competitor in suitable car take points (like in IRC), You would spoil FIA/ISC business...

[EavesFan09]

]Every JWRC/SWRC/PWRC competitor pays very expensive championship entry fee. If You let every competitor in suitable car take points (like in IRC), You would spoil FIA/ISC business...

Obviously not all drivers will be eligible to take points, but I am fairly sure all I am talking about is not so much the eligibility of certain drivers to score, as the eligibility of the cars within the JWRC, SWRC, PWRC and WRC.

'Class' and 'group' for me is not enough for a new fan of rallying to understand how best to understand quickly and easily which driver/team combo will be doing what championship. If that fan could understand which cars are eigible for what championship then that would aid them to better understand and quicker who will be doing what. For example I didn't know Kari Hytonen will be doing Sweden but because he will be doing it in a Suzuki Swift I am sure it is in the JWRC.

[Tomi]

]However results of Hänninen or Alén proved opposite.

i think Sami was talking about Finnish championship, shorter rallies than WRC, they drive much faster there, they dont have to think of saving the car.
But what Krisse says should not be taken so serious either.

[ProRally]

i think Sami was talking about Finnish championship, shorter rallies than WRC, they drive much faster there, they dont have to think of saving the car.
But what Krisse says should not be taken so serious either.

So you know him too..... :D :D

[cali]

i think Sami was talking about Finnish championship, shorter rallies than WRC, they drive much faster there, they dont have to think of saving the car.
But what Krisse says should not be taken so serious either.

And Mirek problably was talking about NORF 2009 - fast finnish roads. Sohlberg is not the fastest guy out there, sometimes it takes skills to squeeze everything out from not so powerful cars.

[Tomi]

So you know him too..... :D :D

Not personally, but i have heard all kind of stories.
I wonder if he still is working in our feds junior program, and was the only qualification for the job the surname, one would think that from here is not too difficult to find real rally drivers with international experience to do the job :)

[Mirek]

I understand what Tomi means but still think it's more about particular driver and particular car than general rule. Of course the lower top speed is disadvantage in Finland but there are other advantages which are bigger in my opinion (our roads have similar average speed to Finnish). The other point is if they are big enough for the price...

[Tomi]

]I understand what Tomi means but still think it's more about particular driver and particular car than general rule. Of course the lower top speed is disadvantage in Finland but there are other advantages which are bigger in my opinion (our roads have similar average speed to Finnish). The other point is if they are big enough for the price...

In this case the price i think was the reason, but you will see or hear that in Sweden the S2000 will hammer the restrictor all the time same like here.

[Mirek]

Still they should be faster than production cars as Sandell was in Sweden before. I don't rate him as faster driver than Hänninen or Ketomaa.

[Tomi]

]Still they should be faster than production cars as Sandell was in Sweden before. I don't rate him as faster driver than Hänninen or Ketomaa.

yes, but dont you think that something is wrong, that when the driving starts the car is on the restrictor?

[Mirek]

It's quite complicated in my opinion.

Every car has some disadvantages which are more or less important in particular events. You can choose what suits You more for Your plans. It's always about some compromises.

However strong group N car is useless against S2000 in mediterranean tarmac events (proved by Spanish 400 Hp super gr.N cars in Asturias) while on fast gravel or snow gr.N cars have some chance. If You don't need to drive those former roads, You can choose gr.N car and still be somehow in the game, in opposite case You have no chance.

Also technically it's not just about using longer final drive. It would lead to lower acceleration and probably result in even worse times (due to narrow power bend). S2000 would need 7th gear for rallys like NORF but it's not allowed by the rules.

Let's drivers choose what's better for them and their season campaign ;)

[Tomi]

]Also technically it's not just about using longer final drive. It would lead to lower acceleration and probably result in even worse times (due to narrow power bend). S2000 would need 7th gear for rallys like NORF but it's not allowed by the rules.

Let's drivers choose what's better for them and their season campaign ;)

I agree longer box is no solution the car becomes more lazy, but what i mean is that after every straight comes usually a corner, now when the cars approach on the restrictor, I belive it will fade away much of the skill differences of the drivers aswell, because too muich time to prepaire.

[RS]

I agree longer box is no solution the car becomes more lazy, but what i mean is that after every straight comes usually a corner, now when the cars approach on the restrictor, I belive it will fade away much of the skill differences of the drivers aswell, because too muich time to prepaire.

They will still need to brake as late as possible, and with the S2000 you have to keep the car "on the boil" throughout the corner because you are screwed if it drops out of the narrow power band, so isn't the opposite true?

Besides, rallying is more than about just long fast straights...

[Tomi]

Besides, rallying is more than about just long fast straights...

Offcourse but thats not the issue, the issue is that when the car is on the restrictor in relatively low speed in some events, this will make it easy to approach the corners, very few missjudgements or too late brakings, those is what make the difference, everyone can drive a straight.

[Jayjay-Rallye]

It isn't the topic of the swedish rally?

[Langdale Forest]

I think it is!

[Rallyper]

Offcourse but thats not the issue, the issue is that when the car is on the restrictor in relatively low speed in some events, this will make it easy to approach the corners, very few missjudgements or too late brakings, those is what make the difference, everyone can drive a straight.

Yeah, but the difference between men and boys is when you brake or if you break at all in the corners on stages in Sweden. :D

[Tomi]

Yeah, but the difference between men and boys is when you brake or if you break at all in the corners on stages in Sweden. :D

Lol, yes sure :D

[Ghostwalker]

weather forecast for the nearest 8 days:

http://extra.expressen.se/pdf/100125vader.pdf

[Jayjay-Rallye]

weather forecast for the nearest 8 days:

http://extra.expressen.se/pdf/100125vader.pdf

It seems to be good!!! :)
I hope that this weather will continue untill the 15th of Frebuary!!

[Sarac330d]

]It's quite complicated in my opinion.

However strong group N car is useless against S2000 in mediterranean tarmac events (proved by Spanish 400 Hp super gr.N cars in Asturias) while on fast gravel or snow gr.N cars have some chance. ;)

I will look stupid to you, but please tell me what is difference in homologation for Spanish super Gr.N(~400 Hp) cars and regular Gr.N (~300 Hp)cars?
How they can have 100 Hp more? Bigger restrictor only or else?

[Mirek]

Yes, they have 36 mm restrictor (2 mm bigger than WRC) and some other changes like less weight. These cars were driven for example by García-Ojeda or Pons in Asturias.

[Koppomsbo]

Still open what car Østberg will use in Sweden.. Prob not a blue one..

[Sarac330d]

]Yes, they have 36 mm restrictor (2 mm bigger than WRC) and some other changes like less weight. These cars were driven for example by García-Ojeda or Pons in Asturias.

Why they are then slower than S2000 cars, 400 Hp is very big power, also less weight. They are 0.5-1 sec/km slower than S2000 cars, then you look Barum Rally and you can see that Pech is 0.5-1.5 sec slower than S2000 cars.
Pech has 32mm restrictor(only ~300 Hp instead 400 Hp like in Spain) and more weight than Spanis Super Gr.N cars.

Also i think that Ojeda and Pons are not slow drivers, so why there is no difference in times per km?


Sorry for offtopic, but i am interested why this cars make same time as regular Gr.N cars.

[Mirek]

Much better handling, brakes, gearbox etc. is more important in rally like Asturias, Sanremo etc. Those Spanish gr.N cars are still much heavier than S2000, have weaker brakes and worse suspension. They can't compensate this significant disadvantage by power when there are almost no straights. On the other hand Barum is very fast, by average speed it's similar like Finland or Sweden on tarmac.

[Sami]

Obviously not all drivers will be eligible to take points, but I am fairly sure all I am talking about is not so much the eligibility of certain drivers to score, as the eligibility of the cars within the JWRC, SWRC, PWRC and WRC.

'Class' and 'group' for me is not enough for a new fan of rallying to understand how best to understand quickly and easily which driver/team combo will be doing what championship. If that fan could understand which cars are eigible for what championship then that would aid them to better understand and quicker who will be doing what. For example I didn't know Kari Hytonen will be doing Sweden but because he will be doing it in a Suzuki Swift I am sure it is in the JWRC.

Nobody seems to have patience enough to make this clear. I'll try to make it short.

Not everyone in the entry list is participating to a series like jwrc or swrc. Most of the field are driving one off competitions like Kari Hytönen in his Swift. He is definitely not a junior driver! ;)

If you take a look at Swedens entry list, only those that have a number (1, 2 or 3) in the last column are participating in wrc, swrc or pwrc championship series, Sweden is not a jwrc competition at all.

Clear?

[MartijnS]

Too bad that Grondal drives a Group N instead of his WRC.

[Sarac330d]

]Much better handling, brakes, gearbox etc. is more important in rally like Asturias, Sanremo etc. Those Spanish gr.N cars are still much heavier than S2000, have weaker brakes and worse suspension. They can't compensate this significant disadvantage by power when there are almost no straights. On the other hand Barum is very fast, by average speed it's similar like Finland or Sweden on tarmac.

So if cars like this in Spain would be driven on Barum Rally then it will be fast as S2000 cars or faster?

[Mirek]

I guess yes.

[Viking]

Too bad that Grondal drives a Group N instead of his WRC.


Even if Grøndal`s S10 still is a good car, it is not competitive in a wrc rally. If I got Donaldson right on radio from MC Anders was trying to put together a drive in PWRC with an N2010.

[RS]

Why they are then slower than S2000 cars, 400 Hp is very big power, also less weight. They are 0.5-1 sec/km slower than S2000 cars, then you look Barum Rally and you can see that Pech is 0.5-1.5 sec slower than S2000 cars.
Pech has 32mm restrictor(only ~300 Hp instead 400 Hp like in Spain) and more weight than Spanis Super Gr.N cars.

Also i think that Ojeda and Pons are not slow drivers, so why there is no difference in times per km?


Sorry for offtopic, but i am interested why this cars make same time as regular Gr.N cars.

Sorry to other guys to bring this off topic more, but here are a couple of interesting videos of the Fabia vs. Spanish Grp Ns. Even on a fast race circuit with smooth surface and wide roads you can see the Fabia has the edge despite much lower torque and power:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lnMOnMaSoQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juUEKdp0aDI

[Krigen]

Still open what car Østberg will use in Sweden.. Prob not a blue one..

His s12b is blue.

[Koppomsbo]

His s12b is blue.

Yes, but i dont think he will use a blue car

[pucky54]

Yes, but i dont think he will use a blue car

A.t.m. he is on holidays, so we will see when he comes back...

[Krigen]

Yes, but i dont think he will use a blue car

You mean he will paint it or what?? He has said he will drive that car in Sweden. Or you know something else??

[hari]

If someone needs a last minute accomodation, Team BRR has one house for maximum 8 persons left:

The house is situated in Västra Skymnäs, a little south of the Hagfors Airport near way 62. So I guess a perfect location

More information: tanja.selinger@brr.at

[Koppomsbo]

You mean he will paint it or what?? He has said he will drive that car in Sweden. Or you know something else??

I heard some rumours from guys inside the team but nothing is confirmed so i dont want do scream i out but i dont think the car will be blue.

[Sulland]

Still open what car Østberg will use in Sweden.. Prob not a blue one..

Ok, but will it be WRC or S2000 ?

[Tomi]

I think it will be the same car as the works boys in everything but the colour.

The car will be a 2008 specs Focus.

[VFTS]

Ok, but will it be WRC or S2000 ?

He cant change class. He can only change car in the class he has entered, then it will be a A8 car.

[swordsman]

He cant change class. He can only change car in the class he has entered, then it will be a A8 car.

That's almost correct, but not entirely. He can switch class if all drivers in that class approve it. That has been done before...

[VFTS]

That's almost correct, but not entirely. He can switch class if all drivers in that class approve it. That has been done before...

Yes, youre right. But I dont think they will do that.

[swordsman]

Yes, youre right. But I dont think they will do that.

Probably not! Just wanted to underline that it in fact is possible.

[Rallyper]

Yes, youre right. But I dont think they will do that.

Why wouldn´t they? Aren´t they sportsmen? In rallying I´ve seen many times sportmanship between the drivers and even between factory team.

[swordsman]

Probably not! Just wanted to underline that it in fact is possible.

Ahh, after Rallyper's post I realized you probably meant that they wouldn't approve it. I thought you ment that the team wouldn't do the process to ask for it.

I absolutely think the other competitors would authorize it. Wouldn't look too good if YOU are the one that is not up to the challenge when someone wants to compete with you?! That would indicate both bad sportsmanship and that you're afraid to lose.

However, I'm not sure how likely the team is to ask for it... :)

[EavesFan09]

If you take a look at Swedens entry list, only those that have a number (1, 2 or 3) in the last column are participating in wrc, swrc or pwrc championship series, Sweden is not a jwrc competition at all.

Clear?

I think so. I do see the "priority" number right down to and including Joakim Nymam. They are on the official entry list but all those from Jounui Arolainen down are as you say just doing one rally and therefore are not actually on the official entry list for any of the championships. They will obviously be down on the classification for say the SWRC or the JWRC for the rally but they are not on the official entry list and may not be eligible to score points. :)

[Simmi]

I think so. I do see the "priority" number right down to and including Joakim Nymam. They are on the official entry list but all those from Jounui Arolainen down are as you say just doing one rally and therefore are not actually on the official entry list for any of the championships. They will obviously be down on the classification for say the SWRC or the JWRC for the rally but they are not on the official entry list and may not be eligible to score points. :)

Privateers not registered for the championships wont be on the classification for the SWRC/JWRC/PWRC. They are privateers and are invisible as far as these FIA championships are concerned - even if they beat all the registered drivers.

[Walach]

The car will be a 2008 specs Focus.
Joke or something more real? :confused:

[Tomi]

Joke or something more real? :confused:
grönholms car in sweden

[MartijnS]

Haha, I was also confused, Ostberg in a Focus?? ;)

[Walach]

grönholms car in sweden

Sorry, that confused me little bit. ;)

[EavesFan09]

Privateers not registered for the championships wont be on the classification for the SWRC/JWRC/PWRC. They are privateers and are invisible as far as these FIA championships are concerned - even if they beat all the registered drivers.

What about Danny Snobeck, Ipatec World Rally Team and Mattias Therman who are in the Group A Class 8 which is the WRC?

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map of Swedish Event : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/googleearthmap.htm

[Ghostwalker]

Google Earth Map of Swedish Event : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/googleearthmap.htm


tnx JBmarcus.

[Tuscany gravel]

I'll came in sweden this year.

I've read that Sagen is a legendary stage of Rally Sweden and it was reintroduced in the rally this year.

Are there some spectacular place in that stage? And in other stages? (i'know Colin's crest)

Thanks

[Rallyper]

I'll came in sweden this year.

I've read that Sagen is a legendary stage of Rally Sweden and it was reintroduced in the rally this year.

Are there some spectacular place in that stage? And in other stages? (i'know Colin's crest)

Thanks

Easiest way to join the Sagen-stage is at the end of stage. Good publicplaces and relatively easy by car. Walking less than 1k.

[hari]

Has anyone any advices for a good spot on the Shakedown stage?

Last time when the shakedown was in Rada in 2007 I was at the last part of it close to the finish. There was some small jump, but apart of that nothing special.

[Salist]

Good question Hari. :)

[Roy]

FYI
Ipatec racing said on their website R Kuipers drives in Sweden not a Ford Focus WRC but his other car: Subaru Impreza S14 WRC.

[Langdale Forest]

I am looking foward to this rally, I think it will be a 5 way battle for the win with Loeb, Hirvonen, Solberg, Latvala and Gronholm.

[pettersolberg29]

Think Gronholm might struggle with a slightly older car and without much practise, but we'll see. Only 11 days to go...

[Langdale Forest]

You would have to be stupid to think he could not win in Sweden though.
He is a genius in Sweden, well that's what he said in 2005!

[pettersolberg29]

I'm prepared to be called stupid if he does win, but I'll also eat my hat, run naked up and down my street and where a t-shirt saying 'I have no penis' everyday if Gronholm wins. In an old, Stobart prepared car he has little to no chance. It's Loeb's to lose, and Mikko will tidy up the pieces if Seb doesn't win. After that Latvala and Petter are still ahead of Marcus.

He may have been a legend in Sweden, but as N.O.T likes to say, a 'has-been' will not win any rallies and with Marcus' extended absense he certainly is now a 'has-been'.

[Langdale Forest]

It would be good if a 'has been' wins. :)
And if one of them wins, especially Solberg, I will celebrate. :beer:

[J4MIE]

I agree with pettersolberg29 (though would never make such rash promises, forumers have had to eat their hats before!). Think it'll be as usual between Loeb and Mikko at the front but will be interesting to see if Mikko is still improving after last year.

[bennizw]

Is there any inboard online from the shakedown stage? Couldn´t find anything on wrc.com.

[bennizw]

I found this one. The stage can´t be longer than 2 km´s?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46LrJcnEtMg&feature=related

[Ghostwalker]

I found this one. The stage can´t be longer than 2 km´s?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46LrJcnEtMg&feature=related

the shakedown stage is 4km according to jbmarcus' google earth file.

[Francis44]

Well with a small test and a not so fast car he was able to be 2 after the firt day on Rally of Portugal so I believe he may surprise some of us.

[Viking]

I really hope Marcus will mix it with the “factory” Fords so Malcolm will have to slow him down :D

[bennizw]

The stage used in 2008 was in Karlstad. This year they are going to use Råda i Hagfors, so the length of 4 km could seem more appropriate. If anyone finds inboard from earlier years than 2008, please tell me :)

[Tomi]

I really hope Marcus will mix it with the “factory” Fords so Malcolm will have to slow him down :D

No need for that, he has been so long time without serious driving, top 4 i think is maximum, it's if the top guys drives without problems.

[Ghostwalker]

the cold weather is expected to stay for the nearest 2 weeks.
There will be some more snowfall the first half of this week followed by cloudy weather to the beginning of the next week
when the weather is expected to clear up a little bit to only partially cloudy weather.

http://www.expressen.se/polopoly_fs/1.1865116!defaultImage/1916545560.jpg (http://www.expressen.se/polopoly_fs/1.1865116%21defaultImage/1916545560.jpg)

[J4MIE]

I am guessing that the shakedown will use the same stage as in 2006, there was a nice left hand corner just after the start if I remember rightly.

[nr7wave]

Well with a small test and a not so fast car he was able to be 2 after the firt day on Rally of Portugal so I believe he may surprise some of us.

He was 4. after the first day i Portugal. He then went off the road on the first stage on day two. Wich was'nt very surprising, as the s14 was impossible to push to the limit without it beeing totally unpredictable.

[Francis44]

He was 4. after the first day i Portugal. He then went off the road on the first stage on day two. Wich was'nt very surprising, as the s14 was impossible to push to the limit without it beeing totally unpredictable.

If my memory isn't failing I remeber he was 2, and on the last stage he slowed down on the last part to get a better road position, so 2 or 4th, it was a good pace.

[SubaruNorway]

Does anyone know of any inboards of Rämmen and Sågen? (Or any of the other ones if they have been ran before)

I got Fredriksberg on the 04 dvd and Likenäs on the 06 dvd. Loeb on Vargåsen 06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTHi0f9DwM0&feature=PlayList&p=1102FDA140A5B162&index=0

[amilk]

Anyone knows about the place on the attached picture? Would be nice to see...

[N.O.T]

i think thats colins crest....

[SubaruNorway]

I think that's from Bjälverud, not ran this year.

Does anyone know what stage this is? SS15 2001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWdbiWK_M3s

[hari]

Does anyone know what stage this is? SS15 2001 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWdbiWK_M3s

This is SS Sågen

[bennizw]

Anyone knows about the place on the attached picture? Would be nice to see...

That isn´t Colins crest. Colin Crest´s road is much straighter and wider, and the forrest is more cut back.