Rally Norway 2009 2nd thread

[bluuford]

Sebastien OGIER (F)


TC 11


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[RS]

Managed to get a video from day 1 done too :)
http://upload.streetfire.net/video/Rally-Norway-day-1_636051.htm

Nice video :)

Sandell's Fabia makes the traditional N4s sound like a food blender with a misfire.

[Brother John]

:D Quite true. I might sound like I hate the WRC and everything and perhaps I do but I still get a good laugh out of being here with people who appreciate a good bit of humour :)
Oh and AFF.... as always you never cease to make me laugh with your posts :D

Yes, what happens here today? Maybe Humour and valentine´s Day has something to do here? :D

[jonkka]

Great minds think alike.

Rather, retarded ones hold hands.

Heh, it's better to stop before someone's sense of humor comes to an end... :crazy:

[jonkka]

Yes, what happens here today? Maybe Humour and valentine´s Day has something to do here? :D

Maybe we are just delirious for having made through Friday 13th alive and all limbs still intact. Anyone seen Jason?

[A.F.F.]

Mine's stopping right now. Apparently my wife had a different plans for Valentine's Day. She started vacuuming and looks a bit angry. :mark:

[jonkka]

Mine's stopping right now. Apparently my wife had a different plans for Valentine's Day. She started vacuuming and looks a bit angry. :mark:

Mine isn't even dressed... I am starting to get ideas... See ya soon fellas...

[Buzz Lightyear]

I think it is completly freaked out that he is beating the Solberg brothers in cars of that has been driven by world champions.

maybe says more about the solberg brothers than the cars?

[Buzz Lightyear]

Mine isn't even dressed... I am starting to get ideas... See ya soon fellas...

very soon?!

[J.Lindstroem]

maybe says more about the solberg brothers than the cars?

I can live with the thought of PG being better than them :D

[WRC1]

so where is the big advantage gone the ford (remote control) boys are planned to have with theire tactic games?

if they cant beat him in norway even with tactics, where should they beat seb??

[A.F.F.]

I can live with the thought of PG being better than them :D

Me too :)

[Viking]

Mine's stopping right now. Apparently my wife had a different plans for Valentine's Day. She started vacuuming and looks a bit angry. :mark:

As long as she is vacuuming everything should be ok ;)

[Brother John]

Nice video :)

Sandell's Fabia makes the traditional N4s sound like a food blender with a misfire.

My vacuum cleaner sounds better than group N4s, more like a S2000. ;)

[J.Lindstroem]

Loeb on stage 12!

[jonkka]

Aaaah... back...

[jonkka]

Now is the time for Mikko to play his ace...

[Viking]

Lets see who have saved tyres for the long one.

PG has no more front bumpers, could make the end to his rally :(

[J.Lindstroem]

Lets see who have saved tyres for the long one.

PG has no more front bumpers, could make the end to his rally :(

indeed the problem with beeing a privateer...

[Sulland]

Just heard on the norwegian rally radio that PG need his front bumper before this stage, or he will not be allowed to start ss12 !

People were encouraged to bring it with a taxi !!

[Brother John]

Lets see who have saved tyres for the long one.

PG has no more front bumpers, could make the end to his rally :(

:confused: What did happen?

[jonkka]

Mikkooooo...

[A.F.F.]

Aaaah... back...

You had a pretty short stage?

Mikko and Jari-Matti steadily getting their a$$es kicked. If the second loop of the day isn't changing the setting of this rally, it's over today :down: Like the whole of season...

[J.Lindstroem]

Okay... In that case he has to get it very soon because it is his turn soon so..

[jonkka]

You had a pretty short stage?

I can proudly say I am faster than Loeb.

[Viking]

Sordo "stop in the start" ???

[jonkka]

Mikko is losing it...

[J.Lindstroem]

Sordo loosing a lot of time... He was great in the beginning yesterday i have to say but now maybe even PG can catch him (if he gets his bumpers)

[Wim_Impreza]

Yes Jani, it seems also the C4 is now for sure the best car. :(

We all knew that it will be again Loeb, Loeb, Loeb... and who else this year? Loeb :( And the girls for you. :D

[A.F.F.]

I can proudly say I am faster than Loeb.

French tend to do those stages with style and effort. Finns with pace.

I'm actually surprised you even left the PC. You could have easily type at the same time :)

[Viking]

Okay... In that case he has to get it very soon because it is his turn soon so..

As I understand it is out of service he needs one.

[jonkka]

I'm actually surprised you even left the PC. You could have easily type at the same time :)

Actually, I didn't leave my PC. Or do anything but watch Fouga Magister video from YLE Archive. She was already dressed and eating breakfast... :crazy:

[Brother John]

:rotflmao: :laugh:
French tend to do those stages with style and effort. Finns with pace.

I'm actually surprised you even left the PC. You could have easily type at the same time :)

[A.F.F.]

Yes Jani, it seems also the C4 is now for sure the best car. :(



I think you can put Loeb in any of the cars and the result would be similar. He is just THAT good. :mark:

[J.Lindstroem]

Okay guys seriously, Sordo has problems. He just dropped 21,8 seconds!

[jonkka]

I think you can put Loeb in any of the cars and the result would be similar. He is just THAT good. :mark:

He is good, no doubt about that but until he's actually driven something other than Citroen in competition, I don't discount the Tommi-factor.

[WRC1]

yessss! loeb is pulling away stadily!

will be interesting to see wich tactic ford now uses...

[Koppomsbo]

ok, so Pg wasnt allowed to start beacause he didnt have a front bumper???

[Brother John]

I think you can put Loeb in any of the cars and the result would be similar. He is just THAT good. :mark:

Here I don´t agree . :s mokin:

[jonkka]

ok, so Pg wasnt allowed to start beacause he didnt have a front bumper???

How do you know yet?

[J.Lindstroem]

PG has started. According to the radio he has ONE bumper left!

[Koppomsbo]

sorry if i havnt catch up this morning but wasnt he supposed to go after Petter

[A.F.F.]

ok, so Pg wasnt allowed to start beacause he didnt have a front bumper???

He really wasn't??

I can't hear the radio due all the vacuuming..

[Koppomsbo]

ok sorry, my bad :)

[rp]

That´s it..! Loeb is in the other series than the rest of the drivers... If Mikko and J-M are not able to beat Loeb on the snow, it is clear that Sebastien will win all the events during the year 2009...

[White Sauron]

I've always supported Mikko, and kinda believed in Jari-Matti, but...
I wish Marcus was here to kick Loeb's a$$...

[Wim_Impreza]

I think you can put Loeb in any of the cars and the result would be similar. He is just THAT good. :mark:

Probably, but Sordo is also fast and Ogier is not that bad too. Who had expected Sordo in the top 4 after 11 stages?
I think no one.

[J.Lindstroem]

sorry if i havnt catch up this morning but wasnt he supposed to go after Petter

He is, if its the splits you are looking at they have not been working all weekend. He is out on the stage accordning to rally radio. They has to know dosnt they?

[Wim_Impreza]

That´s it..! Loeb is in the other series than the rest of the drivers... If Mikko and J-M are not able to beat Loeb on the snow, it is clear that Sebastien will win all the event during the year 2009...

I still think he can't win all the events this year. My opinion is that Hirvonen and Latvala have a chance in Greece, Finland and Australia.

[Daniel]

Mine's stopping right now. Apparently my wife had a different plans for Valentine's Day. She started vacuuming and looks a bit angry. :mark:

Just tell her you love her everyday and you feel that she's too precious to you for you to sell out to commercialism and buy flowers and take her out for a romantic meal :p

[Daniel]

Easily amused, eh?

That's me!

[cali]

Ford boys are using tactics :D , magic, voodoo etc. crap to beat Loeb but NO....he goes just on and on and on and on...

Is he human? :rolleyes:

[A.F.F.]

Just tell her you love her everyday and you feel that she's too precious to you for you to sell out to commercialism and buy flowers and take her out for a romantic meal :p

I planned to do that all.......







... at service break :D

[jonkka]

If Mikko and J-M are not able to beat Loeb on the snow, it is clear that Sebastien will win all the events during the year 2009...

That's about the only record he's yet to break (except being youngest WRC winner).

[Daniel]

I planned to do that all.......







... at service break :D

Why am I thinking that's not a joke? ;)

[AlfaWRC]

I do not understand...

I do not think that Loeb improved on snow during the last year. He was already fast always and everywhere - no question!

I also do not think that Jari Mattis speed worsened in the last year...

...moreover I do not think that Hennings speed on snow is slower than Sordos.

...so it must have to do something with the car - at least to a certain extent.

[bluuford]

Ogier is missing.. and like I said.. there is advantage to be first on the road in the morning. The first is driving like on tarmac.. every next car has more and more loose snow. Should see good times by Jari-Matti in afternoon.

[rp]

I still think he can't win all the events this year. My opinion is that Hirvonen and Latvala have a chance in Greece, Finland and Australia.

Yes he can and easily.. If Ford uses some tactics in loose surface gravel events results will be different, but it does not matter. In the real fight he is much better than the current drivers. But he is not competing anymore in 2020? and then there is great battle in the top...

[crazy]

Henning doesn't drive the top spec ford.

[Brother John]

I do not understand...

I do not think that Loeb improved on snow during the last year. He was already fast always and everywhere - no question!

I also do not think that Jari Mattis speed worsened in the last year...

...moreover I do not think that Hennings speed on snow is slower than Sordos.

...so it must have to do something with the car - at least to a certain extent.

1 Citroën is a very special car. I hope it is a legal car! :dozey:

[Koppomsbo]

Henning doesn't drive the top spec ford.

He isnt ha top spec driver either

[tolis]

Ogier hasn't started the stage...

[jonkka]

Ogier is missing..

Ogier had some problems, he was late at TC11 and got 30sec penalty for that. Maybe that problem caught up with him.

[A.F.F.]

Urmo Aava sounds completely depressed :eek:

[AlfaWRC]

Henning doesn't drive the top spec ford.

In my opinion there is just a really minor difference. The 2008 evolution was no step forward.

...Mikko's words to the evolutions in the 2008 spec. "The evolution was the press release"

[Brother John]

The first is driving like on tarmac.. every next car has more and more loose snow. Should see good times by Jari-Matti in afternoon.

Wrong!!! Today every next car has more ice under the wheels then yesterday. If I have listened well on the radio after SS 10. ;)

[jonkka]

Urmo Aava sounds completely depressed :eek:

He should, he is losing out to Matt W.

[Wim_Impreza]

Give the championship 2009 to Loeb and lets start 2010 now. :p

[Brother John]

...Mikko's words to the evolutions in the 2008 spec. "The evolution was the press release"

Best post today. :rotflmao:

[pettersolberg29]

Halvis and JFL if you're here - look at the first thread and admit I was right please!

I believe words like 'Petter for P3' and 'No way Sordo wil be faster' and 'Always quicker than his older brother' were spoken. Seems I was right all along...

[A.F.F.]

Give the championship 2009 to Loeb and lets start 2010 now. :p

:laugh: :up:

I think FIA would approve that. Talking about cost cutting.

[Viking]

He isnt ha top spec driver either

Top spec Stobart driver at least.

[Brother John]

Top spec Stobart driver at least.

Top payment driver you means. :p

[A.F.F.]

That's it. I'm starting the service brake. See you at the second loop. :wave:

[malscar]

I can proudly say I am faster than Loeb.

In the context that you state that, it is not a very flattering statement. Wouldn't it be better to be slower than say Wilson? :)

[bluuford]

Wrong!!! Today every next car has more ice under the wheels then yesterday. If I have listened well on the radio after SS 10. ;)

And you believe what they are talking on radio ;-) You can see it in the afternoon.. How top drivers are passing the stage with slower time. Unfortunately I cannot see, because I have to leave in one hour.

[Viking]

Has Eyvind Brynildsen got his appeal trough, he is back to 2`nd in PWRC?

[AlfaWRC]

Best post today. :rotflmao:

Funny one the one hand...
...But on the other hand not really helpful when the drivers themself think that there are no improvements for almost 2 years...

[Halvis]

Halvis and JFL if you're here - look at the first thread and admit I was right please!

I believe words like 'Petter for P3' and 'No way Sordo wil be faster' and 'Always quicker than his older brother' were spoken. Seems I was right all along...

I'm here ;)

Yes, it looks like you were correct, how annoying that is. I must say that Sordo's pace is the one that has surprised me the most, there were nothing in his previous snow-rallies that would indicate his pace now. And the Henning vs. Petter duel - that is not over yet.

Seems like the Xsara lacks the top speed on straights, read a forumers observation that Petter looked just as fast in and out of corners, but Loebs car just kept on accelerating way faster than the Xsara.

However, Latvala hasn't got caught a snow bank yet, and when that happens + Sordos problems keeps up, Petter soon will be third! ;)

[Buzz Lightyear]

Probably, but Sordo is also fast and Ogier is not that bad too. Who had expected Sordo in the top 4 after 11 stages?
I think no one.

why? he is the last of work drivers?

[Viking]

Top payment driver you means. :p

No that goes to Atkinson, Henning (his sponsors) are only paying half of what he was paying for a rally :D

[jonkka]

In the context that you state that, it is not a very flattering statement. Wouldn't it be better to be slower than say Wilson? :)

Nope, I can do 10 while you moose with just one...

[Wim_Impreza]

why? he is the last of work drivers?

He has never impressed on snow, he was struggling to get in the top 10 in the past years.

[Koppomsbo]

something happend to Sandell??

[bluuford]

OGIER S. / INGRASSIA J. (st. č. 12) Posádka tlačí auto do cíle. / The crew is pushing the car to the finish.

Citroen´s way to keep drivers warm ;-)

[Brother John]

why? he is the last of work drivers?

Yes :laugh: , let him drive the only diesel car in wrc and he will be the diesel Champion 2009. :p :

[Wim_Impreza]

Flodin retired in SS12. What happened with him?

[Viking]

something happend to Sandell??

Nope " I love this stage!" :)

[Viking]

PG reported retired?

[pettersolberg29]

I'm here ;)

Yes, it looks like you were correct, how annoying that is. I must say that Sordo's pace is the one that has surprised me the most, there were nothing in his previous snow-rallies that would indicate his pace now. And the Henning vs. Petter duel - that is not over yet.

Seems like the Xsara lacks the top speed on straights, read a forumers observation that Petter looked just as fast in and out of corners, but Loebs car just kept on accelerating way faster than the Xsara.

However, Latvala hasn't got caught a snow bank yet, and when that happens + Sordos problems keeps up, Petter soon will be third! ;)

I hope your right - the battle for 4th is still on. Anyone know what the stages are like tomorrow? Twisty would obviously suit Petter, and I'd bet on him catching PG and Henning, if not Sordo on twistier roads.

[J.Lindstroem]

PG Andersson is retired!

[pettersolberg29]

That's one part of my plan done? PG Gone?

[J.Lindstroem]

PG retirement is great for my pickems!

[Wim_Impreza]

PG Andersson is retired!

No :( What a real pity... I had him in my pickems.

[Brother John]

No :( What a real pity... I had him in my pickems.

SH!T, I had him also in my pickems. :mad:

[J.Lindstroem]

It is a good thing that he has been out there showing what he is capable of. Its just a pity that he wont get a drive ANYWHERE without millions of swedish kronor. ;)

[ste898]

That´s it..! Loeb is in the other series than the rest of the drivers... If Mikko and J-M are not able to beat Loeb on the snow, it is clear that Sebastien will win all the events during the year 2009...

Yes there is no chance for Ford now with their 2nd rate car and drivers!!!!!

[Viking]

SH!T, I had him also in my pickems. :mad:

Me to, but I am actually more disappointed for PG than my pickems :(

[WRC1]

Me to, but I am actually more disappointed for PG than my pickems :(


agree!

but anyway for me, no matter how the rally ends, PG is the man of the race

and his fabia wrc the car of the race ;o)

[Blitzerflitzer]

PG Andersson is retired!

Anybody more information ?

[J.Lindstroem]

Anybody more information ?

broken clutch!

[Mirek]

Oh no, what exactly happened to PG? :(

EDIT: Ok, clutch again...

[Brother John]

Me to, but I am actually more disappointed for PG than my pickems :(

Yes you are complete right Viking. :up: But we can sayhttp://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/animated/anim_53.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=animated/anim_53.gif), he is the star driver from the rally Norway 2009. ;)

[bt52b]

Shame about PG, he was going great.

Whatever you say about Henning, he is good for the Championship, puts together better deals to run in the WRC than Subaru, Suzuki and many more. Not the fastest, but good value for money. Even Atko went off trying to catch him in Ireland.

Is JML under orders to just finish?

Great work Halvis and SubaruNorway :D

[pettersolberg29]

Anyone have any wild predictions?

How about Mikko and Loeb push it too far to the limit, crash, JML inherits the lead, goes mad and hits a snow bank as usual, Henning's suspension comes through his bonnet going over a jump, so Petter leads after Day 2.

Possible?!

[pettersolberg29]

I forgot Sordo. Let's say he spontaneously ignites.

[bt52b]

Really want to see a non-works car in the top three

[Brother John]

Would there be LIVE TV at present time on wrc.com?

[KKS]

not LIVE, just Delay TV :(

[KKS]

BTW SS14 started and at 3rd split Mikko faster by 0.7

[jonkka]

Charge has begun... will it be enough?

[jonkka]

Maybe there'll still be tactical games for tomorrow - it's longer day than today...

[KKS]

at 5th all things at right place

[r199]

petter gone in the splits???

[Brother John]

Strange way to show LIVE TV at wrc.com. :D 4 hours later. :p
They are really frightened at WRC of the IRC? ;)

[jonkka]

petter gone in the splits???

Aye - let's see what's that all about...

[jonkka]

Petter loses a minute at split 3

[jonkka]

Henning will overtake Sordo for 4th

[KKS]

Henning fastest at 4th split! O_o

[jonkka]

Conrad does Rautenbach at split 1

[tolis]

What happened to Petter?

[Brother John]

Now we wait for mistake of Loeb and we are happy! :p :

And Petter´s new name is now Slowberg or what?

[r199]

wtf why all the citoens have problems exept the one of loeb grrrrrr hope he gets his share of bad luck soon (dont understand me wrong no crash dont whant that to happen to annyone)

[Wim_Impreza]

Petter fighting with Matthew Wilson. I am curious what he will say about the Xsara now.

[A.F.F.]

Why Hirvonen had to try to outsmart Loeb yesterday ?????

If I were rallying, I wouldn't give tenth of a second free to Loeb if I won it. Mikko's strategy is plain stupid and now he is paying a hard price for it.

[jonkka]

It's not over before the fat lady sings...

[A.F.F.]

Their only chance is to be right at Loeb's skin and push him to limit in order to make a mistake.

[jonkka]

Loeb doesn't make mistakes... except on mountain bike and in bed...

[teufel]

Why Hirvonen had to try to outsmart Loeb yesterday ?????

If I were rallying, I wouldn't give tenth of a second free to Loeb if I won it. Mikko's strategy is plain stupid and now he is paying a hard price for it.

exactly my thoughts!

[Brother John]

wtf why all the citoens have problems exept the one of loeb grrrrrr hope he gets his share of bad luck soon (dont understand me wrong no crash dont whant that to happen to annyone)

It is not a Citroën but a special car built for Loeb.
That is how they do the tactics at Citroën! :rolleyes:

[A.F.F.]

Does WRR work for you ? In a pop up window ??

[Wim_Impreza]

Why Hirvonen had to try to outsmart Loeb yesterday ?????

If I were rallying, I wouldn't give tenth of a second free to Loeb if I won it. Mikko's strategy is plain stupid and now he is paying a hard price for it.

I said that already yesterday. ;)

[Brother John]

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Yes i have it in a pop up window.

[A.F.F.]

Then I agree completely with Wim :)


EDIT: WRR doesn't work for me in a popup window. The streaming stops all the time for some reason :confused:

[Simmi]

Well done to Henning for the stage win. I assume the road conditions will be similar to yesterday on the second runs making it easier for the later runners.

[Brother John]

Then I agree completely with Wim :)


EDIT: WRR doesn't work for me in a popup window. The streaming stops all the time for some reason :confused:

I had once more again started the radio, works perfect now.

[Wim_Impreza]

Henning is finally getting out of his sleep.

[KKS]

wtf why all the citoens have problems exept the one of loeb grrrrrr hope he gets his share of bad luck soon (dont understand me wrong no crash dont whant that to happen to annyone)

only old citroens have problems, as well as at 2007-2008. New Citroens without this bug :P

[ZequeArgentina]

Look at this:
Sandell’s advantage is heading back towards the two-minute mark, but it’s over the returning Eyvind Brynildsen. The Norwegian retired from the first day of the rally after going off the road on the fifth stage of the event. The Mitsubishi driver was, however, credited with notional times after the stewards of the event noted he only went off the road while taking avoiding action to miss the ditched Subaru Impreza of P-WRC rival Patrik Flodin. "

I have never read something like, (OK take the part abou retiring out, that is something invented by WRC, he continue racing but with a lot of time lost in SS5) he was given notional times ???????.
It was someone elses partial fault, but acrash in rally is THATWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only times when notional times are reasonable is when you are completely blocked, or stopped for safety of an injured crew.

Never seen something similar

[noel157]

Hotel California - "Everything stays the same" Mr Loeb's song?

[Simmi]

only old citroens have problems, as well as at 2007-2008. New Citroens without this bug :P

Sorry guys but to save me trawling back through the thread what problems did Ogier/Novikov have to give them the time penalities? Can anyone tell me real quick? Thanks

[Wim_Impreza]

Ewrc.cz said Flodin retired in SS12 (he lost there much time), but now he has in SS14 a 12th time overall.

[A.F.F.]

Mikko manages to push a little...

[A.F.F.]

Not again Henning's codriver... bla bla blaa ööööh bla bla ööööh bla bla blaa.

[Simmi]

Mikko manages to push a little...

It has the makings of a great fight I think if Mikko can find his rhythm tomorrow and this afternoon.

[jonkka]

Only times when notional times are reasonable is when you are completely blocked, or stopped for safety of an injured crew.

Most certainly stewards have watched the onboard footage and have grounds for their decision. I have no problem with this decision.

[r199]

@ZequeArgentina

than what should u do keep on the pace full and hit/kill a spectator who is helping floddin???? i whould go off track to safe a life

[bt52b]

WRR stream

http://broadcast.global-mix.net/?m=gmuk-n.one-fm&.wvx

or

http://s-lon-07.global-mix.net/gmuk-n.one-fm?request=s-lon-07-1201198133

[A.F.F.]

Petter is in deep trouble with that engine :mark:

EDIT: Cheers bt52b :)

[Honza H.]

Look at this:
Sandell’s advantage is heading back towards the two-minute mark, but it’s over the returning Eyvind Brynildsen. The Norwegian retired from the first day of the rally after going off the road on the fifth stage of the event. The Mitsubishi driver was, however, credited with notional times after the stewards of the event noted he only went off the road while taking avoiding action to miss the ditched Subaru Impreza of P-WRC rival Patrik Flodin. "

I have never read something like, (OK take the part abou retiring out, that is something invented by WRC, he continue racing but with a lot of time lost in SS5) he was given notional times ???????.
It was someone elses partial fault, but acrash in rally is THATWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only times when notional times are reasonable is when you are completely blocked, or stopped for safety of an injured crew.

Never seen something similar

I agree, it´s really strange. The second day started without Brynildsen in the top positions, but then, out of the blue, there he is. Ok, maybe he deserves being back in the race, but why did it took so long for rally commisioners to decide?

[Simmi]

@ZequeArgentina

than what should u do keep on the pace full and hit/kill a spectator who is helping floddin???? i whould go off track to safe a life

Didn't something like this happen in Finland a few years ago? Maybe 05? Im thinking a Skoda got stuck trying to overtake a car blocking the stage. Might have been Paasonen trying to overtake Gigi I cant fully remember. I cant remember whether the stuck car got back out either, but there was certainly no notional times given.

[ZequeArgentina]

@ZequeArgentina

than what should u do keep on the pace full and hit/kill a spectator who is helping floddin???? i whould go off track to safe a life


Just slow down, and then keep going. I am sorry, taht is bad luck, as it is when the car before you has troubles and get you in the dust, or you loose tiem while trying to overtake him.
It is part of rallying.
It has always ben that way in rally, it could be a cow, a damaged car, spectator, any reason.
Would you have given 8 seconds "return" to Loeb in Argentina 2006, when he has to slow down and turn to avoid a cow???

[jonkka]

Didn't something like this happen in Finland a few years ago? Maybe 05? Im thinking a Skoda got stuck trying to overtake a car blocking the stage. Might have been Paasonen trying to overtake Gigi I cant fully remember. I cant remember whether the stuck car got back out either, but there was certainly no notional times given.

Yes but that occasion happened at low speed, trying to go around the car in ditch and passing car also dropped into ditch. There was no danger to life or limb there.

[Brother John]

I agree, it´s really strange. The second day started without Brynildsen in the top positions, but then, out of the blue, there he is. Ok, maybe he deserves being back in the race, but why did it took so long for rally commisioners to decide?

In WRC is everything really strange. :rolleyes: Even the fans to be strange! :D

[A.F.F.]

And yes it was Gigi blocking Paasonen.

[A.F.F.]

In WRC is everything really strange. :rolleyes: Even the fans to be strange! :D

Tell me about it. As I watched those rally review DVDs from the past, at one time a spectator got so frustrated of a cancelled stage that he jumped on Ari Vatanen's Mitsubishi Galant's bonnet and kicked the windscreen in :eek:

I didn't even know something like that had happend.

[jonkka]

Tell me about it. As I watched those rally review DVDs from the past, at one time a spectator got so frustrated of a cancelled stage that he jumped on Ari Vatanen's Mitsubishi Galant's bonnet and kicked the windscreen in :eek:

I didn't even know something like that had happend.

Argentina 1988 or 1989?

Edit: most likely Portugal 1990

[A.F.F.]

Argentina 1988 or 1989?

I have to check it out. I have watched 9 DVDs in just a few days so I'm little mixed up what happened and when :)

[Fischer]

Just slow down, and then keep going. I am sorry, taht is bad luck, as it is when the car before you has troubles and get you in the dust, or you loose tiem while trying to overtake him.
It is part of rallying.
It has always ben that way in rally, it could be a cow, a damaged car, spectator, any reason.
Would you have given 8 seconds "return" to Loeb in Argentina 2006, when he has to slow down and turn to avoid a cow???

Don't you mean Argentina 2005?

[A.F.F.]

SS16 live...

[Simmi]

Mikko really does need to take a few seconds out of Loeb in this one IMO ahead of the final day.

[A.F.F.]

Mikko really does need to take a few seconds out of Loeb in this one IMO ahead of the final day.

Agreed. The gap can be about 10 secs tops. Anything more is a lost battle.

[A.F.F.]

Latvala setting fastest time at split 2.

[jonkka]

+3,6s on split 3...

[KKS]

Sorry guys but to save me trawling back through the thread what problems did Ogier/Novikov have to give them the time penalities? Can anyone tell me real quick? Thanks

Ogier have engine problems. Novikov gearbox problem after service all fix it.

[KKS]

WRR stream

http://broadcast.global-mix.net/?m=gmuk-n.one-fm&.wvx

or

http://s-lon-07.global-mix.net/gmuk-n.one-fm?request=s-lon-07-1201198133

where u find second link?

[jonkka]

Gap goes to wrong direction...

[A.F.F.]

Henning also pushing good :up:

[Brother John]

I have been disappointed this year with the Flying Finns. :bigcry:

[jonkka]

Interesting that even Henning can be as fast at JML and faster than Loeb & Mikko?

[Simmi]

Gap goes to wrong direction...

My favourite thing about Loeb is that he knows the exact moment to push that will create the maximum effect on his opponent. The last big stage of day 2 is a very important stage and I think Loeb knew this and has quite obviously gone to send a message to Mikko.

[jonkka]

Well, I am not losing my hope just yet but it's getting longer in the odds department all the time...

[jonkka]

Well, it's 13,2 sec to tomorrow (minus anything made on SSS). It's doable but for that Mikko must have faked his speed today. If not, it's Loeb's game.

[Simmi]

First time this season trying to use wrc.com split site. And its s**t!

[jonkka]

Aw crap, Petter can't get past MW...

[jonkka]

Aw crap, Petter can't get past MW...

Or can he?

[jonkka]

Yes, he did!

[tolis]

He can!!!!!!!

[bt52b]

where u find second link?

The first seems to go to the second, thats what my media player is using at the moment.

Great time from Henning. Trust him to take the scenic route :D

[AlfaWRC]

I have been disappointed this year with the Flying Finns. :bigcry:

me too!

[r199]

both merksteijn jr and sr in the problems

[jonkka]

Runs in the family?

[Woodeye]

I have been disappointed this year with the Flying Finns. :bigcry:

You are not the only one. :(

But since people explain Loeb's speed by superior C4 compared to Ford, I use the same excuse as well.

[r199]

peter sr looking for beautyful girls in the snowbanks haha great guy he is

[Mirek]

I was out today and I can see that after PG's retirement discussions quite freezed everywhere, not only on Czech servers...

[COD]

I have been disappointed this year with the Flying Finns. :bigcry:

For me not disapointment, but exactly what could be expected. Where could Hirvonen suddenly after years in the series find more speed? And only a good head doctor could make LAtvala a consistant winner

[AlfaWRC]

For me not disapointment, but exactly what could be expected. Where could Hirvonen suddenly after years in the series find more speed? And only a good head doctor could make LAtvala a consistant winner

although it is the same result below the line I think the correct approach is that Loeb is just a class of his own. Mikko has a fantastic speed, but Loeb is just a little bit better.

[WRC1]

although it is the same result below the line I think the correct approach is that Loeb is just a class of his own. Mikko has a fantastic speed, but Loeb is just a little bit better.


if it would be only a little bit, than we still could hope for a exiting championship...

the problem is that loeb is a little bit better in norway and finnland, clearly better in all other gravel rallyes and unbeatable on tarmac...

[Sulland]

]I was out today and I can see that after PG's retirement discussions quite freezed everywhere, not only on Czech servers...

Hopefully he will be back tomorrow, to thrill us with the uncertainty he brought ! Everyone loves the underdog !!

[RS]

]I was out today and I can see that after PG's retirement discussions quite freezed everywhere, not only on Czech servers...

I guess that's because it was one of the most interesting and exciting things in this rally. Real shame he retired, as he was on course for a very strong result, maybe Petter should have taken a Fabia :)

[AlfaWRC]

if it would be only a little bit, than we still could hope for a exiting championship...

the problem is that loeb is a little bit better in norway and finnland, clearly better in all other gravel rallyes and unbeatable on tarmac...

probably true!

but there is nothing really different to previous years (maybe exept 2007). Ok, Grönholm was faster on gravel but not consistent enough, so that for example Loeb had to drive only 2/3 of the championship with a the older Xsara to become champion in 2006.

I do not understand why for example MotoGP is a more exiting championship although there is one person being better than all others as well. So that unfortunately can not be the only problem...

[Koppomsbo]

Hopefully he will be back tomorrow, to thrill us with the uncertainty he brought ! Everyone loves the underdog !!

According to his blog, No

[pettersolberg29]

I missed all the stages today. Anyone know how much the engine/gearbox problems hit Petter?

As in did he say the problem was a bad one, or was he just generally quite slow?

[Wim_Impreza]

probably true!

but there is nothing really different to previous years (maybe exept 2007). Ok, Grönholm was faster on gravel but not consistent enough, so that for example Loeb had to drive only 2/3 of the championship with a the older Xsara to become champion in 2006.

Don't forget Loeb won the title in 2006 with SupeRally. Without that, Grönholm was the champion.

[Psycho!]

In wrc.com it says 50 percent possibilities for snow....Any more precious information?

[Mirek]

Just watched SS15 on wrc.com. A lot of static cameras and quite nice road, also a lot of crews but many minuses :(

Technical problems. I had slideshow very often and only few crews without freezing.
Since it was several hours later I would presume some English comments and timing. Instead of that Norwegian comments and uselles music, working timing but no final time (time just went on even after car passed the finish).
Also no onboards and almost no sound from the cars.

I hoped ISC would put more work into the broadcasting than just replay Norwegian live (?) coverage...

[Viking]

In wrc.com it says 50 percent possibilities for snow....Any more precious information?

No snow according to this

http://www.yr.no/place/Norway/Hedmark/Elverum/Elverum/hour_by_hour.html

[Mirek]

New photos from Petr Lusk, some realy exclusive!
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=683&fotograf=2&all=1

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/wrc/no/pl_a_161_novikov_1.jpg

[WRC1]

great pictures as always from petr!!!

according to the official startlist for final leg unfortunatly PG wont restart tomorrow :o (

http://static.rallynorway.no/files/2009/notice-board/Startlist-Day-3.pdf

[chryby]

pictures from 3rd leg:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/med.php?g=485&au=0

[muscrae]

I missed all the stages today. Anyone know how much the engine/gearbox problems hit Petter?

As in did he say the problem was a bad one, or was he just generally quite slow?

Yess, any comment??

I also missed afternoon stages...

[muscrae]

Ok find it...


Petter Solberg [PS WRT-Citroen Xsara WRC]:

[Speaking after SS15] "We have a leak in the gearbox, we can't find it but you can smell the oil. The car went on to three cylinders on stage 14 and it's still not running properly. I hope we can make it back to Hamar tonight." Crash.net

[COD]

although it is the same result below the line I think the correct approach is that Loeb is just a class of his own. Mikko has a fantastic speed, but Loeb is just a little bit better.


Well, with Grönholm just sking and Petter on a 2001 car you could say Mikko is second best. But why is Loeb able to maintain better speed without mistakes? Maybe because he doesn't have to do 100%

[Wim_Impreza]

Well, with Grönholm just sking and Petter on a 2001 car you could say Mikko is second best. But why is Loeb able to maintain better speed without mistakes? Maybe because he doesn't have to do 100%

Petter is in a 2006 Xsara.

[bluuford]

In wrc.com it says 50 percent possibilities for snow....Any more precious information?

Well.. I managed to find internet near to the start of my Marathon and I can give you a weather update for tomorrow:

My maps are saying..

The snow starts approximately at 7:30.. first it will be light snow but it becomes moderate hour and half later. Moderate snowfall continues until the end of rally.
Temperature stays between -5 and -10 degrees whole day
So.. by the second pass of the stages there should be a few up to 5 centimeters of fresh snow covering the stages.

Local site must be wrong this time. to forecast 10 hours is usually very exact

[SubaruNorway]

Highlights from day 2 Was at Ringsaker, The Mountain and service today :)

http://upload.streetfire.net/video/Rally-Norway-2009-day-2_636212.htm

[bennizw]

Pictures from us official photographers of rally Norway.
I am by the way Benjamin A. Ward :)

http://www.rallynorway.no/no/publikum/bilder-2009.html

[bluuford]

Well, it's 13,2 sec to tomorrow (minus anything made on SSS). It's doable but for that Mikko must have faked his speed today. If not, it's Loeb's game.

I hope that the snowfall I expect makes things more interesting tomorrow:-) Unfortunately.. the start of my race is at 9 AM according to Estonian time:-) So.. you can beat me up in this forum if it is not snowing tomorrow morning;-)

[VFTS]

I hope that the snowfall I expect makes things more interesting tomorrow:-) Unfortunately.. the start of my race is at 9 AM according to Estonian time:-) So.. you can beat me up in this forum if it is not snowing tomorrow morning;-)


It will not snow, maybe cloudy but the snow will appear at monday.

[bluuford]

It will not snow, maybe cloudy but the snow will appear at monday.

I will buy you a beer if it is not snowing tomorrow morning!

[FabiaFan]

according to the official startlist for final leg unfortunatly PG wont restart tomorrow :o (
http://static.rallynorway.no/files/2009/notice-board/Startlist-Day-3.pdf
Why?!? More troubles than a clutch?
I was hoping for historical SS win nr. 11,12,13,... for the Fabia WRC...

For me - PGA is already THE STAR OF THIS RALLY - anyone disagree???

[Mirek]

Wasting of money for cruising through the stages without any chance on good result?

[Shrike]

Highlights from day 2 Was at Ringsaker, The Mountain and service today :)

http://upload.streetfire.net/video/Rally-Norway-2009-day-2_636212.htm

More great footage! thanks for sharing.

[alleskids]

I missed Eurosport. can someone please give the link from MTV3 rally link, the Finish tv station? thanks

[KKS]

I missed Eurosport. can someone please give the link from MTV3 rally link, the Finish tv station? thanks

http://www.mtv3nettitv.fi/?treeId=213

[Ghostwalker]

i read seb's diary (http://www.sebastienloeb.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=57&idcontent=486&Itemid=103) and i think he's "onto to something" when he says that in the Citroen's they got a good coupé heater while the ford has crappy one (if they got one at all). While its probably not the main casue for Hirvonen and Latvala being behind, i think it do affect the ford boys abitbecause surely it must be easier to focus if the temperature in the coupé is more comftorble?

[alleskids]

@ KKS thanks

[Mirek]

I had a look into homologation list on fia.com and found that those two ex-CRT Fabias from Konsgrud have probably different suspension (and running gear) than all others. There is homologation of suspension from 1st january 2007. It must have been developed by CRT kopecký and than homologated by Škoda. That's the only possibility. I presume that only those two cars have it and that may be paticular reason for better performance of those cars.

[Halvis]

i read seb's diary (http://www.sebastienloeb.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=57&idcontent=486&Itemid=103) and i think he's "onto to something" when he says that in the Citroen's they got a good coupé heater while the ford has crappy one (if they got one at all). While its probably not the main casue for Hirvonen and Latvala being behind, i think it do affect the ford boys abitbecause surely it must be easier to focus if the temperature in the coupé is more comftorble?

Mads Østberg drove with both windows open on several stages on Friday, due to problems with fog on the inside of front windscreen. He said afterwords that it was the coldest he ever had experienced, and I believe him. Minus 22 degrees and 200 kmh!

[Halvis]

Here's a picture of Van Merkelsteijn Jr., taken in the same corner as the picture I took of Petter. Follow the link to my photo page, since I haven't got my own homepage.

http://www.digit.no/wip4/jan_r_halvorsen/pd.epl?pid=39229

I also have some pictures from Rally Norway 2007, if you're interested, choose "Kategori", then "Motorsport" and klick "Vis".

[Mirek]

Mads Østberg drove with both windows open on several stages on Friday, due to problems with fog on the inside of front windscreen. He said afterwords that it was the coldest he ever had experienced, and I believe him. Minus 22 degrees and 200 kmh!

Isn't driving on stage with opened windows forbidden by the rules? :)

[Viking]

Wake up rallyworld ss18 starts now :)

[jonkka]

And Loeb is still faster, he is going to be the winner...

[jonkka]

Oh, wait... Mikko speeds up at split 2

[Miika]

Mikko wtf.

[jonkka]

JML is not up to speed though - he's content with 3rd and to be honest, it's a tad too long way to pass Loeb at any rate

[jonkka]

-3.8secs, oh - this is looking better and better...

[malscar]

Although it is safer to stay where he is since Hennig is a long way back and on probability all he may do is get ahead of Mikko, there is enough distance to try it if he has the balls.

[Viking]

Mikkelsen got 1.10min penelty this morning, flat battery :down:

[Miika]

Game on it seems for the win.

[jonkka]

Good start, very good start. Sliced a third out of the deficit in a single stage...

[Miika]

But will it be all back to normal in the afternoon with the 2nd run.

[Viking]

I think there is also some risk involved for top two boys :)

[Wim_Impreza]

Good morning. Is it snowing that Mikko is faster than Loeb?

[jonkka]

Some say yes, some say no, I do not know...

[jonkka]

Oh, Loeb is paying back...

[jonkka]

Wow - in a shorter stage Loeb took back everything he lost on a longer one...

[WRC1]

seems like Loeb is playing cat and mouse with mikko...

[PLuto]

Photogallery of Petr Fryba from second day: http://fotogalerie.autosport.cz/index.php?cat=63

http://fotogalerie.autosport.cz/albums/wpw-20090215/thumb_Hirvonen_2.jpghttp://fotogalerie.autosport.cz/albums/wpw-20090215/thumb_Aava_1.jpghttp://fotogalerie.autosport.cz/albums/wpw-20090215/thumb_Bieltvedt_1.jpghttp://fotogalerie.autosport.cz/albums/wpw-20090215/thumb_Van_Merksteijn_1.jpghttp://fotogalerie.autosport.cz/albums/wpw-20090215/thumb_Sandell_4.jpg

[Viking]

Hirvonen ”unbelievable time from Loeb” was all he said!

[jonkka]

If anyone who has a good quality picture of P-G Andersson would like to let me use one, I'd be very happy. PM or e-mail [email:15at94w0]jonkka@juwra.com[/email:15at94w0]

[A.F.F.]

Good morning folks :wave:

Loeb is just playing with Mikko. Seems he has a total control of the rally.

[Wim_Impreza]

Hi Jani :)

Yes, it seems. The fight between Petter and Matthew Wilson is still exciting, only 2,5 seconds between them.

[Viking]

Snow is coming in from west, don’t know if it will reach the area of the stages, second run maybe.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Hey, who's driving the S2000 Fabia? I'm guessing it's an S2000.... :D

[jonkka]

Patrik Sandell

[WRC1]

Hey, who's driving the S2000 Fabia? I'm guessing it's an S2000.... :D


as the name already suggest, yes it IS a S2000

and i did a quick search in the internet to find out that some guy called patrik sandell from sweden is driving it

[Sulland]

Hey, who's driving the S2000 Fabia? I'm guessing it's an S2000.... :D


It should have been Gigi Galli of course, but it is Patrik Sandell:

http://redbullrally.com/
http://www.patriksandell.com/

[GigiGalliNo1]

ahhhhh

[GigiGalliNo1]

I also sawed, funnily enough... a Yellow C4...

But watching Day 1 & 2 coverage... only minimal coverage of the only Subaru in the Rally of Mads and then a split second of this yellow C4... and some nice coverage of the Fabia... but then an incident..