Cyprus Rally 2009 - official thread

[Salist]

Here is the official website link:
http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/

[Salist]

Rally Guide 1
http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/documents/rally_guide_1.pdf

Itinerary
http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/documents/itinerary.pdf

[Salist]

Route Maps
"The Route Maps will be published on 12.02.09."

[Salist]

Entry List

The Entry List will be published on 19.02.09.

[bluuford]

12.3.2 Special stages
The total length of the special stages is a minimum of 340 km and a maximum of 400 km.
No one stage or part of a stage may be run more than twice in a rally, super special stages excluded.

They have only 332 km;-)

[StevieWonder]

the itinerary seems to be only "provisional" - so some changes will happen (also according distance)

nevertheless it´s good, not to have a rally without superstage !
and first day on tarmac (with gravle tyres) would be very interesting !

one minus: publication of route maps is very late (for preparing our trip) !!!

[J4MIE]

Wish I was able to go to this one, but thanks to rotation will have to wait until 2011!!! :(

[StevieWonder]

Wish I was able to go to this one, but thanks to rotation will have to wait until 2011!!! :(

so where are you going this year ?

look up our website: some of our trips already fixed.

and one more question to your location: sunny scotland really exist ;-)

[J4MIE]

so where are you going this year ?


and one more question to your location: sunny scotland really exist ;-)

Norway, hopefully Sardinia if I can find flights (if not then Acropolis or Finland), Barum, Sanremo and IRC Rally of Scotland.

Sunny Scotland does exist but only for a couple of days a year ;)

[Mirek]

the itinerary seems to be only "provisional" - so some changes will happen (also according distance)

nevertheless it´s good, not to have a rally without superstage !
and first day on tarmac (with gravle tyres) would be very interesting !

one minus: publication of route maps is very late (for preparing our trip) !!!

Why gravel tyres on tarmac? They can't use tarmac tyres or what?

[Leon]

]Why gravel tyres on tarmac? They can't use tarmac tyres or what?

because of the costs involved for tarmac suspension and tyres

[Mirek]

Hmm, I don't think that tarmac tyres are more expensive than gravel ones...

[StevieWonder]

]Hmm, I don't think that tarmac tyres are more expensive than gravel ones...

once there was an article on rallybuzz, that pirelli has to choose the tyres for cyprus and meanwhile the manufactuers have announced that they want to use gravel tyres

moreover it does make more sense than using tarmac tyres on gravel for 2 days instead

[Mirek]

I agree with the last sentence but I think that this way of saving costs is stupid...

[bluuford]

]I agree with the last sentence but I think that this way of saving costs is stupid...

The latest was that they are going to use full gravel set-up all the time and gravel tires all the time as well. The only thing they can do is lowering the car. But all the other things should remain the same (brakes, wheels etc.). Should be more cost effective and at the same time good way to make cars more sideways and lower the cornering speed on tarmac.

[bluuford]

But regulations are saying:
Cyprus:
SCORPION WRC 205/65R15
Hard
PZERO WRC 235/40ZR18
Soft
The second one is Tarmac tire, strange..

maybe it is written somewhere between those lines:
2. Tyre homologation
2.1 At least two weeks before the start of a rally, the tyre supplier must present to the FIA a drawing (or drawings) of the
tread pattern(s) to be used in an event in order to obtain the FIA homologation. Once obtained, the homologation remains valid,
with no expiry date.

[cosmicpanda]

It has a good number of long stages. I expect they'll be windy - remember the 50 km/h or so average speed that was recorded over one SS? Maybe that is why the rally is so short - not enough time in the day to do more.

[pantealex]

But regulations are saying:
Cyprus:
SCORPION WRC 205/65R15
Hard
PZERO WRC 235/40ZR18
Soft
The second one is Tarmac tire, strange..

maybe it is written somewhere between those lines:
2. Tyre homologation
2.1 At least two weeks before the start of a rally, the tyre supplier must present to the FIA a drawing (or drawings) of the
tread pattern(s) to be used in an event in order to obtain the FIA homologation. Once obtained, the homologation remains valid,
with no expiry date.

Citroen and Ford have together announced that they will use only gravel tyres/setup, rest can do what they want!

[Roy]

First day stages on tarmac. That means Loeb cleans the gravel road on Day 2.

[StevieWonder]

First day stages on tarmac. That means Loeb cleans the gravel road on Day 2.

would be like this and maybe we will see again some tactics
result of day 1 will not count very much !

[StevieWonder]

very late, but nevertheless route maps are online since today:
http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/

wow, this is really amazing. most of the stages are new.
especially first day road are more than impressive, really twisty and in heart of the mountainious forest. i will be really impressive with gravel setup on those roads

i'm looking forward to go back to my hometown for the rally!

[Leon]

To anyone interested:

There was an announcement about the location of the shakedown. It will be an asphalt hillclimb in a village very close to the service park.

for the older members of the forum who followed the European championship it is the asphalt stage of the 1988 cyprus rally. The interesting thing about that stage is the accusations of belgian journalists, supporting Snijers in his BMW M3 during the '88 event, against a certain Mr Tabaton in an Integrale that he was throwing gravel to the stage in order for the Belgian not to win the only asphalt stage of the event..

[morganmilan]

Rally web announces that today will be published the entry list, but not yet... Any news about? :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

At what time entrylist ??? :confused:

[pettersolberg29]

Is Anadiou at 40.54 km the longest stgae in the WRC this year?

[bluuford]

Is Anadiou at 40.54 km the longest stgae in the WRC this year?

Until Rally Finland for sure (all are shorter than 35 km-s). Don´t know about the rallies later in the year.

[pejda]

According to the rally guide the entry list will be published on Friday 20 february.

[Tom206wrc]

According to the rally guide the entry list will be published on Friday 20 february.



Thanks for the news ;)

[Tom206wrc]

On the entrylist page they still write they will publish it...yesterday :mark:

[Sulland]

This is what is on the website now:
The Entry List is pending FIA approval. Please check back again later.

[Mirek]

So, juniors are allowed to use tarmac tyres. Will be interesting...

[cosmicpanda]

I'm looking forward to this one.

[Simmi]

I'm looking forward to this one.

It would be nice if there could be a bit of a shake up on the first day. You would give the advantage to Seb but if he leads he will be first on the road for Day 2. The road sweeping will really hurt so he needs to go full attack on day 1 to prevent himself getting sucked into Ford tactics.

[Almeidafoto]

]Why gravel tyres on tarmac? They can't use tarmac tyres or what?

Regulations...
It's not the cost that matters. But Cyprus is considered a gravel Rally, so only grabel tyres are admited.
That's what we got with this FIA managrment, they even created that stupid creature named "super rally"...

[gloomyDAY]

I'm all for mixed surface events, but this can end badly.

Just think about the tires blistering and blowing up in mid-stage.

[bluuford]

Regulations...
It's not the cost that matters. But Cyprus is considered a gravel Rally, so only grabel tyres are admited.
That's what we got with this FIA managrment, they even created that stupid creature named "super rally"...

Wrong! According to the FIA rule book they are allowed to use tarmac tires. Citroen and Ford themselves were the ones who wanted to use only gravel tires.
read the regulations before you blame someone. You can accuse FIA in different ways, but not now.

[VFTS]

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I know this is not relevant for the thread, I am sorry!

Bluuford! I am waiting for the beer!! You predicted snow on the last day of Rally Norway.....I said the opposite. The snow didnt appear in the rallyarea on sunday morning. I am waiting for the beer!

[StevieWonder]

It would be nice if there could be a bit of a shake up on the first day. You would give the advantage to Seb but if he leads he will be first on the road for Day 2. The road sweeping will really hurt so he needs to go full attack on day 1 to prevent himself getting sucked into Ford tactics.


I do not think that we will see maximum attack - because of the gravel tyres on tarmac, it wouldn´t be possible !

[SubaruNorway]

So can privateres use tarmac tyres if they want to then? :p

[DonJippo]

So can privateres use tarmac tyres if they want to then? :p

This is what the regulations for the event say:


6.1 Pirelli has been nominated by the FIA as the single tyre supplier to
distribute the tyres for the rallies in the Championship.
- All 4x4 cars must use Scorpion WRC 205/65R15 Hard throughout
the Rally.
- All JWRC cars must use K2 195/70-15 (R2=K4 195/70-15)
throughout the Rally.
- All Non Priority entries in a 2WD car must use the same size and
type of tyre on Day 1 as they will use on Day 2 & Day 3.Source: http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/documents/regulations.pdf

[Mirek]

DonJippo: Sadly it's not true in suplementary regulations. Juniors are finaly allowed to use tarmac tyres.

[DonJippo]

]DonJippo: Sadly it's not true in suplementary regulations. Juniors are finaly allowed to use tarmac tyres.

Why don't they publish that on their pages then? Not good.

[bennizw]

Thinking of past national/international events, the FWD's have always been relatively quick on tarmac, but maybe they will be even closer to the top with the tarmac tyres, compared to the gravel tyres the WRC's are going to be using? Then again, it's such a twisty rally with a most surely an abrasive tarmac surface, so maybe the gain won't be to large?

[bluuford]

I know this is not relevant for the thread, I am sorry!

Bluuford! I am waiting for the beer!! You predicted snow on the last day of Rally Norway.....I said the opposite. The snow didnt appear in the rallyarea on sunday morning. I am waiting for the beer!

Yes I remember it:-) I still don't believe how it was possible that it didn't snow.. According to the weather radar, it snowed everywhere else around the rally location, but it didn't snow there. I mean, only approximately 10-20 km further it was snowing. But I keep my promises, where can I buy you a beer? I prefer Tallinn :-)

[AndyRAC]

I can't believe what I am reading - so, the first day is on Tarmac (which is good)but they have to use Gravel tyres........


Sorry, but I really despair at this sport recently - yes, costs must be cut, but they are going about it the wrong way. Haven't they learnt from Japan/GB with the wrong tyres.

Here's a novel idea, on Tarmac, use Tarmac tyres. The FIA are a bunch of idiots

[StevieWonder]

I prefer gravel instead of tarmac - so it´s good to see the cars with less grip sliding around the corner !
I will be there and will enjoy the rally although I expect some tactics by the teams.

[Barreis]

This reminds me on old Portugal with some tarmac parts..

[SubaruNorway]

On tarmac the S1600 cars loose about 1min to wrc on a 10min stage. Not sure if they are able to gain that much, maybe if the stage is long and with lots of downhill and hard breakings though.

[StevieWonder]

does anybody have a hint for Rally Guide 2 access (user-ID and password ;-)
http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/protected/rally_guide_2.pdf

[bowler]

Haven't they learnt from Japan/GB with the wrong tyres.



There was no issue with the wrong tyres in japan. The issue was wrong weather.
Ice tyres were never an option as spikes are illegal in Hokkaido

[Sulland]

I prefer gravel instead of tarmac - so it´s good to see the cars with less grip sliding around the corner !
I will be there and will enjoy the rally although I expect some tactics by the teams.

I agree, even if the tyres will wear out quickly, that is up to the drivers to calculate in to the equasion !

[cosmicpanda]

There was no issue with the wrong tyres in japan. The issue was wrong weather.
Ice tyres were never an option as spikes are illegal in Hokkaido

I don't think they necessarily needed spikes, or even if they would've used them given the choice given the amount of gravel that remained.

I think they all wanted softer, cut tyres.

[Hartusvuori]

Here's a novel idea, on Tarmac, use Tarmac tyres. The FIA are a bunch of idiots

It's not gravel tyres on tarmac just for the sake of cost saving, I think. Wouldn't it be impossible to change the suspension settings of the car from tarmac to (Cyprus) gravel within the time limits of end-of-the-day service? Those that know better, enlighten us.

But how it'd be with tarmac tyres with gravel suspension - not better than gravel tyres with gravel suspension as their doing it now, I guess.

All we know is, it'll be interesting.

[Viking]

I can't believe what I am reading - so, the first day is on Tarmac (which is good)but they have to use Gravel tyres........


Sorry, but I really despair at this sport recently - yes, costs must be cut, but they are going about it the wrong way. Haven't they learnt from Japan/GB with the wrong tyres.

Here's a novel idea, on Tarmac, use Tarmac tyres. The FIA are a bunch of idiots

This time, belive it or not :) , FIA is not to blame, it was Ford and Citroen who wanted the gravel tyres!

[Tom206wrc]

Any new date for entrylist :confused:

[Simmi]

Any new date for entrylist :confused:

I am assuming this is being pushed back due to a lack of entries maybe?

translated version of a local (cypriot) webpage for motorsport.
local young driver, nicos thomas, i going to drive his lancer with stefan prevo. nicos is the winner of mid-east pirelli channel and the last winner of Cyprus rally (mid east round)
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=el&u=http://www.taxitita.com/index.php&ei=lwSjSZ7IL4zFjAee0NTgCw&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://www.taxitita.com/index.php%253Fp%253Dshowarticle%2526artid%253D200% 26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US :o fficial%26hs%3D2C2

[alleskids]

I read that Cyprus rally has 34 entries, of which 28 are priority
13 PWRC
3 JWRC
which leaves 12 WRCars, including Fredirico Vilagra in the (MT2) Munchi's Ford and Marcus in the Vodafone Subaru.

[JFL]

I read that Cyprus rally has 34 entries, of which 28 are priority
13 PWRC
3 JWRC
which leaves 12 WRCars, including Fredirico Vilagra in the (MT2) Munchi's Ford and Marcus in the Vodafone Subaru.

Marcus?

[alleskids]

Oeps. I was confused with Portugal :colour:

[Skelly]

I wonder how those Scorpion Gravel tyres will cope with snow in Cyprus?

My parents live there, so I check the weather regularly. On the top of Mount Olympus on Troodos is a webcam. Right up to Feb 20th it was still showing a good 8" of snow. The snow line on the mountain comes down as far as a village called Platres normally.

A quick look at the route maps... I reckon a few stages could be as high as that.

A snow rally on sunny Cyprus...now there's a novelty!!!

[WRC1]

I wonder how those Scorpion Gravel tyres will cope with snow in Cyprus?

My parents live there, so I check the weather regularly. On the top of Mount Olympus on Troodos is a webcam. Right up to Feb 20th it was still showing a good 8" of snow. The snow line on the mountain comes down as far as a village called Platres normally.

A quick look at the route maps... I reckon a few stages could be as high as that.

A snow rally on sunny Cyprus...now there's a novelty!!!

wow! sounds interesting!!

could you give us a link to this webcam?

regards

wrc1

[Skelly]

www.cyprusski.com (http://www.cyprusski.com)

Then you should see the webcam button on there.
It seems to have jammed on Feb 20th at about 5.30pm ish But it will give you a good idea what was there then.

My dad says they have had a lot of rain where he is near Limassol the last few days, so its likely to have fallen as snow on Troodos

[Blitzerflitzer]

:eek: Entrylist: Die Organisatoren der Zypern Rallye haben eine provisorische Teilnehmer Liste veröffentlicht....... (The organizers of the Cyprus Rally have a provisional list of participants published......)

http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/rallye/rallye-wm/news/rallye-zypern-34-teilnehmer-8166.html

http://translate.google.de/translate?prev=hp&hl=de&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsport-aktuell.com%2Frallye%2Frallye-wm%2Fnews%2Frallye-zypern-34-teilnehmer-8166.html&sl=de&tl=en

[Skelly]

Just checked the webcam up on Troodos...its working again :)
..And yes there is plenty of snow up on the tops.
I'll have a word with the old man over next few days & see if he knows how far down it has come.

Maybe a trip to see my mum ...and a spot of rallying could be on.

[WRC1]

Just checked the webcam up on Troodos...its working again :)
..And yes there is plenty of snow up on the tops.
I'll have a word with the old man over next few days & see if he knows how far down it has come.

Maybe a trip to see my mum ...and a spot of rallying could be on.

thanx a lot Skelly!!

[Leon]

The local edition of the BBC top gear magazine has a list of entries. I try to post them ASAP. From what I remember there are no suprises. Beyond the 2 citroen and 2 fords there is Peter and Henning Solberg, Matt wilson and Villagra and the C4 of Ogier, Rautenbah and Novikov. As someone said above there are only 3 JWRC entries and more PWRC like Sandell with the Fabia, Sousa with Punto and others with lancer and Suba. Regarding local entries we all want to see what Nicos Thomas can do at N4 with Stephan Prevot as co-driver. Regarding Thomas nobody can confirm if he is finally the representative of the Middle East in the Pirelli star driver in the PWRC....

Regarding the weather anything can happen this year. Until the start of the event nobody knows. We may have snow or rain or just a normal sunny Cyprus rally. At the moment we have 70cm snow at Troodos.

[AlfaWRC]

:eek: Entrylist: Die Organisatoren der Zypern Rallye haben eine provisorische Teilnehmer Liste veröffentlicht....... (The organizers of the Cyprus Rally have a provisional list of participants published......)

http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/rallye/rallye-wm/news/rallye-zypern-34-teilnehmer-8166.html

http://translate.google.de/translate?prev=hp&hl=de&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorsport-aktuell.com%2Frallye%2Frallye-wm%2Fnews%2Frallye-zypern-34-teilnehmer-8166.html&sl=de&tl=en

Incredible bad entry list (as expected)...
Looks like this year bad manned events are alterned by relatively good manned and interesting rallyes. In this sense, looking forward to Portugal...

[Skelly]

Soke to dad today. Seems that there is a good 80cm of snow up on Troodos but it hasn't come down as far as Platres village. As yet there is no snow reported on any of the stages.

[Tom206wrc]

Snow in Cyprus...ouch !!! :s

[urabus-denoS2000]

3 JWRC entries?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

[Leon]

The local edition of the BBC top gear magazine has a list of entries. I try to post them ASAP. From what I remember there are no suprises. Beyond the 2 citroen and 2 fords there is Peter and Henning Solberg, Matt wilson and Villagra and the C4 of Ogier, Rautenbah and Novikov. As someone said above there are only 3 JWRC entries and more PWRC like Sandell with the Fabia, Sousa with Punto and others with lancer and Suba. Regarding local entries we all want to see what Nicos Thomas can do at N4 with Stephan Prevot as co-driver. Regarding Thomas nobody can confirm if he is finally the representative of the Middle East in the Pirelli star driver in the PWRC....

Regarding the weather anything can happen this year. Until the start of the event nobody knows. We may have snow or rain or just a normal sunny Cyprus rally. At the moment we have 70cm snow at Troodos.

entry list

To the WRC cars I mentioned above add also Al Qassimi.

Then we have the PWRC entries from Sousa, arai, linari, semerad, lopez, sauvan, mayer, campedelli, neiksans, al-attiyah, sandell, araujo, singh and mikkelsen.

3 jwrc, Burkart and Kosciuszko with swift and Prokop with c2. Finally 6 Cyprus entries including a works Lada S1600, 3 imprezas, Thoma with the evo 9 and the 2007 winner Timotheou with an evo 10.

[Krigen]

entry list

To the WRC cars I mentioned above add also Al Qassimi.

Then we have the PWRC entries from Sousa, arai, linari, semerad, lopez, sauvan, mayer, campedelli, neiksans, al-attiyah, sandell, araujo, singh and mikkelsen.

3 jwrc, Burkart and Kosciuszko with swift and Prokop with c2. Finally 6 Cyprus entries including a works Lada S1600, 3 imprezas, Thoma with the evo 9 and the 2007 winner Timotheou with an evo 10.


Are you sure about Mikkelsen? What about Flodin?

[Leon]

Are you sure about Mikkelsen? What about Flodin?

I just copied the entry list from the local edition of BBC Top Gear magazine.

Flodin is not in that list.

thanks

[ProRally]

Why still no official entry list... ?
On the website it was stated before check on 19 Feb... now just pending FIA Approuval ....

[VFTS]

Mikkelsen have made an entry, but they will probably not start in Cyprus.
Flodin will have his next start in PCWRC in Portugal

[Iskald]

Incredible bad entry list (as expected)...
Looks like this year bad manned events are alterned by relatively good manned and interesting rallyes. In this sense, looking forward to Portugal...

This will not be the worst, I suspect. How many cars in Argentina last week of april? Less than 30, for sure...

[MJW]

This will not be the worst, I suspect. How many cars in Argentina last week of april? Less than 30, for sure...
And I guess at the end of the year Wales Rally GB's entry will depend on how much of an 'end of the wrc car era' feeling there will be , especially if Loeb and Citroen will have wrapped up the championships by then.

[PLuto]

Mikkelsen have made an entry, but they will probably not start in Cyprus.
Flodin will have his next start in PCWRC in Portugal

Yes, both is true.

[Sulland]

Is there a deal like in f1 that the top teams have their transport covered by FIA, even if it should have been the poorest teams that need that support - anything in the rallyworld for this ?

[urabus-denoS2000]

Wow,I can't wait for the JWRC 30-minute show :(

Can't think how they'll make a show with 3 cars

[Mirek]

Wow,I can't wait for the JWRC 30-minute show :(

Can't think how they'll make a show with 3 cars

And that's in case of no retirement :D

[Psycho!]

]And that's in case of no retirement :D
And in Cyprus that's nearly impossible!!!

[tolis]

Entry list...... published:

http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/documents/entry_list.pdf

[Corny]

wow, what a list

[J.Lindstroem]

Will be interesting to see how high up we can have a S2000 car on this rally.

[bluuford]

Wow, Lada S1600 in the list :-)
Lets just forget the first 4 numbers in list and we have very close fight for all the positions. Solberg brothers for win, Ogier, Novikov, Wilson for third and Villagra, Qassimi, Rautenbach, Sandell for remaining point scoring places ;-P

[urabus-denoS2000]

A sad list :(

[Barreis]

Cyprus is known as a car terminator.. So without good budget for rebuilding after the rally they don't think about this entry..

[bowler]

Is there a deal like in f1 that the top teams have their transport covered by FIA, even if it should have been the poorest teams that need that support - anything in the rallyworld for this ?

No there is not

[Iskald]

A sad list :(

Absolutely agree!

But this isn`t exactly better:
http://www.rallydecuritiba.com.br/en/entrylist.htm

So those who ting that IRC is the great saviour of our sport, should think again...

[WRC1]

Absolutely agree!

But this isn`t exactly better:
http://www.rallydecuritiba.com.br/en/entrylist.htm

So those who ting that IRC is the great saviour of our sport, should think again...

yes you are also right, but cyprus is still europe, even if it is far away from mainland and it is considered as a car cracker...
i think it is better to compare the cyprus entries with irc entries from acores in may...

[AndyRAC]

No there is not

Which is nice of the FIA, isn't it? Pay the travelling costs of the F1 teams, but not the WRC teams - doesn't make sense to me. But that's the FIA for you.

[DonJippo]

Which is nice of the FIA, isn't it? Pay the travelling costs of the F1 teams, but not the WRC teams - doesn't make sense to me. But that's the FIA for you.

To my knowledge it's the commercial right holder of F1 not FIA that pays the traveling costs for top ten F1 teams to the events held outside of Europe.

[AndyRAC]

To my knowledge it's the commercial right holder of F1 not FIA that pays the traveling costs for top ten F1 teams to the events held outside of Europe.

Actually, thinking about it, you're right. That's why teams are always desperate to score a point - they do/ or did get expenses paid for ponts scored - I think.
Can't see ISC doing that....very probably cost prohibitive.

[jbmarcus21]

The Google Earth Map that Cyprus Rally is now available : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/chypre09.htm

;)

[Salist]

The Google Earth Map that Cyprus Rally is now available : http://planetemarcus.free.fr/chypre09.htm

;)

Thanks Jeremie,
Nice job than always :)

[Tom206wrc]

Why Bernardo Sousa forfeit from Cyprus ??? Something to do with broken engine of his Grande Punto in Norway ??? :confused: :confused:

[Psycho!]

According to most weather sites rain is predicted for the asphalt day of rally Cyprus!!!In those conditions the spectacle will be huge,but it will make drivers' life even more difficult....

[StevieWonder]

According to most weather sites rain is predicted for the asphalt day of rally Cyprus!!!In those conditions the spectacle will be huge,but it will make drivers' life even more difficult....

nevertheless spectators will suffer most from these conditions:
sitting in a warm (hot) car and cruising through the island is not as hard as standing the whole day out there in the mountains with a wet shirt in cold and muddy conditions ;-)

[Leon]

Too many people are expected to follow this year’s event especially the tarmac stages, so the organisers took a number of precautionary measures. For the people who follow the event live it will make their lives a bit difficult. First of all, NOT all shortcuts to the stages will be open for the public as in previous years. In some stages only up to 300 cars will be allowed in the designated parking areas near the stage, the shakedown stage (on asphalt) will take spectators to different places using a bus e.t.c. So anyone planning to follow the event should make good preparation and planning in advance.

hope we don' t have any stage cancellations or other problems.

[bluuford]

nevertheless spectators will suffer most from these conditions:
sitting in a warm (hot) car and cruising through the island is not as hard as standing the whole day out there in the mountains with a wet shirt in cold and muddy conditions ;-)

Well I have been wrong many times (actually weather forecast are only 40% correct according to the statistics), but at the moment it looks +15..+18 on Thursday (mostly sunny) and +15..+18 on Friday without no significant rain (cloudy):-)
Doesnt sound bad for me. There isn't bad weather.. there is wrong clothes:-)

[mm1]

But if it rains during the tarmac stages, I think it would be wise to cancel them due to dangerous conditions for driving :)

[Psycho!]

Well I have been wrong many times (actually weather forecast are only 40% correct according to the statistics), but at the moment it looks +15..+18 on Thursday (mostly sunny) and +15..+18 on Friday without no significant rain (cloudy):-)
Doesnt sound bad for me. There isn't bad weather.. there is wrong clothes:-)
Four websites I have visited predict rain for Thursday night and Friday nearly the whole day...... :confused:

[Barreis]

They are paying millions to drive and then complaining.. I don't understand..

[bluuford]

Four websites I have visited predict rain for Thursday night and Friday nearly the whole day...... :confused:

As I said once before. I am not using websites. I have access to the weather models and maps that meteorologists are using in their every day work. Due to my work which is very closely related to meteorology and climatology. They are often very useful :-) But precision is good only for next 48-54 hours.

[big_sw2000]

But if it rains during the tarmac stages, I think it would be wise to cancel them due to dangerous conditions for driving :)
Well that will be fun. Should be using Tarmac Tyres

[Psycho!]

As I said once before. I am not using websites. I have access to the weather models and maps that meteorologists are using in their every day work. Due to my work which is very closely related to meteorology and climatology. They are often very useful :-) But precision is good only for next 48-54 hours.
OK then.I didn't know that.... :D .I insisted because there is a number of sources that predicts the same conditions and I supposed that this must be a reliable evidence....

[J.Lindstroem]

But if it rains during the tarmac stages, I think it would be wise to cancel them due to dangerous conditions for driving :)

Thats some great piece of idea!

[cosmicpanda]

why is wet tarmac more dangerous than dry tarmac on gravel tyres? Don't the gravel tyres have a tread anyway that will ensure that there is some rubber in contact with the road?

[mm1]

A small hint: Japan and Wales last year :)

[cosmicpanda]

so you're saying icy gravel is like wet tarmac?

[StevieWonder]

But if it rains during the tarmac stages, I think it would be wise to cancel them due to dangerous conditions for driving :)

r u crazy ???

same conditions for every driver !


(and for example: in Ireland they would have been happy to use gravel tyres ;-)

[galvin2]

Hi,
Going to Cyprus tomorrow for first time visit. Have all the stage maps etc. Can anyone please recommend some of the best places to watch or suggest who we could ask (say @ Rally HQ).
Thanks.

[Leon]

Latest news

On Monday Petter Solberg tested his (rebuild/refreshed) Xsara in an asphalt section similar to the Friday stages. He tested a number of set ups and consider himself lucky because there was also rain during the test.
Also the three JWRC drivers and PWRC competitors Sousa, Arai and Attiyah tested in another gravel road for the 2nd and 3rd days. All of them were surprised from the low temperatures, the rain and faster stages.

[euskalteam]

Any photo of the service? The new libery of the C4?

[JFL]

Picture of Henning's "white" Volvo recce car... :)
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kontroll_panel_3/images/uploads/0/9/b756b73b4589cf5e2af0d189d61704/large.jpg

[muscrae]

Any more pics?

[Leon]

Rain and even snow is the weather prediction for Friday.......

[gloomyDAY]

Rain and even snow is the weather prediction for Friday.......Are you from Cyrpus?

I hope you have a lot of pictures to add once the rally is done.

Also, pretty silly idea if snow falls and only gravel tires are available.
I just hope the stages don't get canceled

[bluuford]

Weather forecast:

Nice and warm weather for tomorrow. 10..15 degrees, in the afternoon clouds are forming (on the shakedown stage approximately 300 m a.s.l.)

Friday: 12..16 degrees, nice weather in the morning, partly cloudy in the afternoon and rain should fall in the evening. Quite hard rain.

Saturday and Sunday: mostly without any rain. temperature on Saturday 12..15 degrees and on Sunday 12.. 14 degrees. Friday night and Saturday morning is quite windy (up to 10 m/s).
If

[pejda]

Sandells car for the recce is awesome :D

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/kypr/denicek/denicek2-sandell_v_rz.jpg

[VFTS]

Sandells car for the recce is awesome :D

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2009/kypr/denicek/denicek2-sandell_v_rz.jpg

And they also had punctures on their car today....two times.

[hari]

Some interesting reports about the road conditions in Cyprus:

http://www.mediasport.cz/wrc/denicek-filipa-schovanka-utery-10-3-2009-pridany-d.html
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/show.php?id=10657
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/show.php?id=10658

[Gard]

Tom! haven't you forgot something?

[bluuford]

Tom! haven't you forgot something?
I think Tom must be in bed with very high fever.. otherwise it is impossible that he hasn't said his famous words yet ;-P

[noel157]

Tom, Tom, Tom. Wake up, where are you?

[muscrae]

Official website is under development today !!! :eek: 12.54 pm

[Viking]

I might be spoiling the fun for those of you (and me) who are waiting for Tom to officially open this rally but..... :)



Petter with second fastest time on todays Shakedown.

- The car felt so good this morning. We have found the perfect set up for the new dampers and I really enjoyed beeing out there.

Sordo were fastest on the 4,49kms long shakedown stage this morning, but Petter set the second fastest time on his second run out of three today. Shakedown were on tarmac, the same surface as for Friday stages. Saturday and Sunday stages will be on gravel.

Rally Cyprus starts Friday morning.

Shakedown times

Sordo 3.33,0
Petter 3.33,3
Ogier 3.34,0
Loeb 3.34,5
Latvala 3.34,7
Novikov 3.35,1
Hirvonen3.35,3
Rautenbach 3.35,8
Henning 3.37,3
Wilson 3.37,3

[rallyfan321]

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[Simmi]

full broadcasts from 2001 onwards:
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That joost thing is pretty sweet I didn't know about that cheers. Shame there's nothing from '97 lol. Still good of them to throw up so much coverage for free.

[Simmi]

Nice to see Citroen trying to make their livery every bit as cluttered as the Ford's now. Ogier's has changed a bit too by the looks of it.

[tolis]

Any photos?

[Mirek]

Are there complete shakedown results anywhere?

[J4MIE]

Doesn't seem to be much interest at all in this event :( I think it'll be great to see how the mixed surface event runs, but I think that they should have both tarmac and gravel tyres available - should hopefully be entertaining though :D

[VFTS]

]Are there complete shakedown results anywhere?

The wrc-cars: http://www.norsk-rally.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6105:kypros-petter-solberg-nest-best-pa-shakedown

[bluuford]

http://www.cyprusrally.com.cy/
you can find shakedown notes there

[chryby]

JWRC + PWRC results:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/index.php?vypisVse=detail&startpos=0&id=6824

Pictures:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/med.php?g=494&au=0

[wwbroe]

]Are there complete shakedown results anywhere?

Mirek, have a look at WRC.com, you will see the results of not only wrc cars but also gr.N, seems that Sandell is way behind the fastest gR.N cars. :(

[Mirek]

Thanks to all :)

[Fide]

I might be spoiling the fun for those of you (and me) who are waiting for Tom to officially open this rally but..... :)



Petter with second fastest time on todays Shakedown.

- The car felt so good this morning. We have found the perfect set up for the new dampers and I really enjoyed beeing out there.

Sordo were fastest on the 4,49kms long shakedown stage this morning, but Petter set the second fastest time on his second run out of three today. Shakedown were on tarmac, the same surface as for Friday stages. Saturday and Sunday stages will be on gravel.

Rally Cyprus starts Friday morning.

Shakedown times

Sordo 3.33,0
Petter 3.33,3
Ogier 3.34,0
Loeb 3.34,5
Latvala 3.34,7
Novikov 3.35,1
Hirvonen3.35,3
Rautenbach 3.35,8
Henning 3.37,3
Wilson 3.37,3



Fantastic to See Petter on 2nd place during shakedown.... Lets see tomorrow, but as of now it is promising.

[bluuford]

Well.. I am very positively surprised by Citroen´s new livery:-) Very nice! I think it is the first time I like their livery :-)

[bluuford]

Burkart is missing from the results? Is he there?

[VFTS]

Mirek, have a look at WRC.com, you will see the results of not only wrc cars but also gr.N, seems that Sandell is way behind the fastest gR.N cars. :(


Sandell just did 1 run through the shakedownstage.

[A.F.F.]

Doesn't seem to be much interest at all in this event :( I think it'll be great to see how the mixed surface event runs, but I think that they should have both tarmac and gravel tyres available - should hopefully be entertaining though :D

Not only tyres. This stupid rule of starting order ruins it all. What's the point of Loeb to push on tarmac when only reward is to sweep the roads for the rest of the weekend :mark:

[Viking]

Not only tyres. This stupid rule of starting order ruins it all. What's the point of Loeb to push on tarmac when only reward is to sweep the roads for the rest of the weekend :mark:

Well if he don’t push the Fords will still lurk behind him so he is better off pushing and hoping they will make some mistakes.
Maybe they will let someone else Petter, Sordo… run away on Day1? The Tarmac on gravel tyres combo will be interesting.

[Buzz Lightyear]

Not only tyres. This stupid rule of starting order ruins it all. What's the point of Loeb to push on tarmac when only reward is to sweep the roads for the rest of the weekend :mark:
Loeb has always just drivin hard, and will try and use it to pull out max. gap.

[Salist]

JWRC + PWRC results:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/index.php?vypisVse=detail&startpos=0&id=6824

Pictures:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/med.php?g=494&au=0

Thanks chryby, nice pictures!

[Simmi]

Loeb has always just drivin hard, and will try and use it to pull out max. gap.

But at the midday service if he hasn't then you know he wont push in the afternoon. Maybe Ford should back off and let Seb go on Day 1?

Who knows what the right answer is...

[Brother John]

Burkart is missing from the results? Is he there?

He has not taken part in the Shakedown to save Tyres! :s mokin:
Source: http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/wm/d/n/d/2009/03/12/sordo-im-shakedown-vorn/index.html

[pejda]

Video from shakedown - http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/show.php?id=10664

[mdesign]

the Fords have some round red stiker on the windscreen. Does anyone knows what is it?

[PLuto]

Audio interviews with Loeb, Ogier and Novikov: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=8089 (on the bottom of the page)

[White Sauron]

Does the Impreza of the Barwa team have smth to do with the cognominal team in GP2?

[jbmarcus21]

the Fords have some round red stiker on the windscreen. Does anyone knows what is it?

yess what is it ?? Red nose team ???

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/5264/14834.jpg (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14834.jpg)

[A.F.F.]

yess what is it ?? Red nose team ???

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/5264/14834.jpg (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14834.jpg)

Maybe this. red nose day is tomorrow. http://www.rednoseday.com/about_rnd

[wwbroe]

So first stage will take off tomorrow at 8h23 CET, looking forward to it. I think Loeb will try to get a as big as possible gap on friday, as they expect heavy rain for saturday it won"t be a disadvantage to open the stages. ;)

[Psycho!]

heavy rain for saturday
Actually for Friday and not for Saturday.However Saturday's stages will be affected...I don't know for Sunday as for the weekend clear weather is predicted.....

[Viridian Black]

did i hear the JWRC are running tarmac tyres on the tarmac stages???

[VFTS]

did i hear the JWRC are running tarmac tyres on the tarmac stages???

Yes, the JWRC-teams can use tarmactyres on tarmac.

[jonas_mcrae]

thee back of the new citroen livery looks like the Czech Republic flag!

[Mirek]

Yeah :D It's largely discussed on Czech servers :)

[jonas_mcrae]

]Yeah :D It's largely discussed on Czech servers :)

haha thats so cool we need a Czech driver in one of those C4's!

[urabus-denoS2000]

Pic of the back of the C4?

[jonas_mcrae]

Pic of the back of the C4?

theres the flag!

http://www.rally-mania.cz/zobrazFotografii.php?if=14832&ig=494

[urabus-denoS2000]

Cool!

Give one car for Mirek,PLuto and Karbonyl (sorry to all other Czech members but these guys are the most active ;) )

[Lalo]

Why was the change of C4's livery again? Apparently, all sponsors are still in it, so it doesn't look like a matter of a withrauw of one of them.

[Mirek]

According to the guys from Citroën it looks more dynamic and cool. In my opinion it's just colourful mess...

[muscrae]

Andreas Mikkelsen didn't appear in shakedown, as evidently my friend who was at shakedown stage said.
He even said that he couldn't see his car in service park, he is in entry list, though. Any news?

[White Sauron]

Why was the change of C4's livery again? Apparently, all sponsors are still in it, so it doesn't look like a matter of a withrauw of one of them.

Few months ago Citroen underwent some kind of rebranding - hence the new corporate style was introduced to the livery of their WRC car. And now the logo incorporates silver chevrons on a white background (that's the main reason for changing the color scheme). By the way, the team was also renamed from Citroen Sport to Citroen Racing.

[tolis]

No, Mikkelsen didn't start unfortunately...

[wwbroe]

One hour before start of stage, anyone awake allready? ;)

[jbmarcus21]

Maybe this. red nose day is tomorrow. http://www.rednoseday.com/about_rnd

thanks ;)

[VFTS]

Andreas Mikkelsen didn't appear in shakedown, as evidently my friend who was at shakedown stage said.
He even said that he couldn't see his car in service park, he is in entry list, though. Any news?


As I posted 26.feb in this thread. Andreas Mikkelsen did made an entry, but it was early stated that they wouldnt appear in the event. They didnt make the financials for Cyprus.

They will probably start in Portugal.

[VFTS]

yess what is it ?? Red nose team ???

http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/5264/14834.jpg (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=14834.jpg)


Is this a british tradition? Never heard about it.

[Hartusvuori]

Is this a british tradition? Never heard about it.

A quote: Red Nose Day was the brainchild of a British charitable foundation set up in 1998, Comic Relief. Its aim is to change the lives of the less fortunate by raising funds through entertainment, specifically comedy.

At least in Finland the national broadcasting company YLE has held this red nose day for a couple of times.

[wwbroe]

Also in Belgium we have had similar initiative, called the cliniclowns. They always put these noses on and are going to hospitals where they take care of children with cancer, trying to chear them up at least for one day. ;)

[Hartusvuori]

Henning already out! According to WRR, crashed on liason, front-end damage, not sure if able to start SS1.

[pettersolberg29]

Thats cruel,
and typical of Henning!

[subaru 28]

Good Morning from Austria

[MikeD]

I think this event is a 'make or break' event for Hirvonen. If he loses again, I think it will affect his confidence. He looked pretty mentally beaten after Norway.

Agree?

[pettersolberg29]

Morning - I'm squeezing this stage in just before school but then ill miss the rest...

Petter better make it good for me!

[wwbroe]

Loeb is allready vife seconds faster as Hirvonen, so good start for him. ;)

[Halvis]

Henning, Henning, what have you done? A pretty expensive trip to Cyprus, I would say! Any other car involved?

[pettersolberg29]

JML lost a fair bit split 2

[bluuford]

According to my weather maps I was right. There wont be any rain before evening and night. So, tomorrow there is a possibility that the first car gets wet road that is going to dry up very quickly thanks to the strong wind and rising temperature. Sunday should be bone dry already.
So, the leader might have slight advantage tomorrow but disadvantage on Sunday.

[wwbroe]

Latvalla is really slow, loosing a lot allready after third split. :(

[rockpoll]

hello. I am looking some photos Ford Team from shakedown

[Tom206wrc]

Henning, Henning, what have you done? A pretty expensive trip to Cyprus, I would say! Any other car involved?



Finally I'm glad he didn't use a Bozian whale this year... :p :

[Hartusvuori]

Henning, Henning, what have you done? A pretty expensive trip to Cyprus, I would say! Any other car involved?

According to Wilson sr. Henning was trying to pass a Japanese transporter (?) when that car suddenly turned in front of Henning's Focus causing damage to the front of the car. If Henning was pissed pre-event Norway, he must be "fokking" pissed now.

[wwbroe]

Rather bad split for Petter also on split two. :(

[wwbroe]

Loeb is really in a class of his own, Hirvonen loosing allready more then ten seconds on this first stage.

[wwbroe]

And WRR is having difficulties once again. :( They cannot reach Colin at the end of first stage. :D

[Buzz Lightyear]

Looks like Matthew and Petter are going to have a battle for 7th.

[Hartusvuori]

Loeb is really in a class of his own, Hirvonen loosing allready more then ten seconds on this first stage.

It's a 30 km stage on tarmac so where's the news? If Mikko will lose to Loeb today on a similiar pattern that'll be around 1 minute behind for Saturday and Sunday stages. If so, Loeb won't get his win easy.

Look at Sordo - that's impressively disapponting.

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like Matthew and Petter are going to have a battle for 7th.


Not Matt, but Ogier !!! ;)


Wilslow is far slower :s

[subaru 28]

Now sandell is started

[Tom206wrc]

Also Novikov has times similar with Solberg P and Ogier...looks like a battle between this three for the 5th place :)



Edit: OUCH !!!! Novikov same time as Qassimi in penultimate split !! :s :s

[pettersolberg29]

Not Matt, but Ogier !!! ;)


Wilslow is far slower :s


Battle with Novikov as well...

[WRC1]

Loeb is really in a class of his own, Hirvonen loosing allready more then ten seconds on this first stage.

is this a surprise??

anybody is expecting the ford boys can challenge loeb?? for them it is difficult enough to keep in touch with sordo...

[wwbroe]

It's a 30 km stage on tarmac so where's the news? If Mikko will lose to Loeb today on a similiar pattern that'll be around 1 minute behind for Saturday and Sunday stages. If so, Loeb won't get his win easy.

Look at Sordo - that's impressively disapponting.

If Hirvonen is one minute behind this evening, he will never catch up with Loeb on Saturday and Sunday stages, especially as rain is expected this night, so it won't be a big disadvantage to open the road tomorrow.

[pettersolberg29]

Novikov no more!

[wwbroe]

Not a great time for Petter either, but in a fight with Ogier.

[wwbroe]

Novikov no more!

He is still there!

[Tom206wrc]

Araujo faster than Sandell despite his car :)

[wwbroe]

Sandell loosing allready 9 sec on Araujo on split 5.

[Tom206wrc]

Good first split for Martin Prokop :bounce:

[wwbroe]

And good second split also :D

[wwbroe]

Al Attiyah is loosing a lot suddenly. :(

[WRC1]

Araujo 11 seconds faster than sandell!!! but all the other pwrc are way behind them!

[wwbroe]

Araujo 11 seconds faster than sandell!!! but all the other pwrc are way behind them!

Let's wait for Prokop's time, he is going very well. :p

Edit: Great third split for him.

[wwbroe]

And another great time for him (Prokop) at split 4, nearly twenty seconds faster as Sandell. ;)

[Sarac330d]

And another great time for him (Prokop) at split 4, nearly twenty seconds faster as Sandell. ;)

Prokop is in C2S1600 so his time won`t affect Sandell postion in PWRC

[Tom206wrc]

Seeing his 4th split it looks like Prokop was 0.1s faster than Loeb on this split :eek: :confused:

I know jwrc have tarmac tyres unlike WRCs, but still...quite impressive :mark:

[wwbroe]

Seeing his 4th split it looks like Prokop was 0.1s faster than Loeb on this split :eek: :confused:

I know jwrc have tarmac tyres unlike WRCs, but still...quite impressive :mark:

Faster then Loeb, how do you make that out of his split Tom? ;)

[wwbroe]

Prokop is in C2S1600 so his time won`t affect Sandell postion in PWRC

You are right, but still it is great times he is setting. ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Problem for Burkart :s

[WRC1]

wowwww! prokop! and kosciuszko is faster than pwrc also!

burkhart loosing it all already...

[Tom206wrc]

Faster then Loeb, how do you make that out of his split Tom? ;)



After split 3: +28.7s after split 4: +28.6s :confused:

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen loosing another five seconds on a seven kms stage, that is a lot. :(

[Tom206wrc]

Solberg "slow" on split 1 SS2 :(

[WRC1]

Quote mr hirvonen after stage 2 "I don't like it at all."

what does mr hirvonen like than?? he is loosing on tarmac and on snow.

its your job to like it mikko! if you (really) want challenge for the world championship

[shaitan]

Quote mr hirvonen after stage 2 "I don't like it at all."

what does mr hirvonen like than?? he is loosing on tarmac and on snow.

its your job to like it mikko! if you (really) want challenge for the world championship
he must beat loeb in car.i hope he can do it.

[Sarac330d]

This times of Prokop and Kosciuszko are quiet good evidence how tires can be important factor! Very, very important.... :-)

[iJones]

Loeb's speed is impressive or rather everyone elses very disappointing. This is going to be a very exciting rally. Not...

[Tom206wrc]

Look at Hirvo time loss on Seb on split4 SS3 :s :s

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen loosing a lot again on this stage, even Latvalla is quicker as him. Also Sordo pulling away now from Miko. :(

[Tom206wrc]

Sordo seems faster than Loeb on some splits :confused:

[wwbroe]

What happened with Ogier? Loosing a lot on split 3.

[Tom206wrc]

Aïe Ogier on split3 SS3 :mark:

[wwbroe]

Miko is loosing a massive 22 sec on stage 3. :(

[WRC1]

Miko is loosing a massive 22 sec on stage 3. :(

he dont likes it....

[Corny]

thought it couldn't get more boring, unbelievable

Looking at the standings of golf is even more amazing

[wwbroe]

Fourth time overall for Prokop on stage two. That is very impressive, but it also shows what a difference the tires make.

[White Sauron]

WRC became very uninteresting to follow on-line... I went working.

[VFTS]

Prokop 4th fastest on ss2, he is 7th overall after ss2......

[John V]

S1600 on slicks beating WRCs again. Please, is it some new comedy or tragedy genre inspired by FIA? :confused:

[COD]

S1600 on slicks beating WRCs again. Please, is it some new comedy or tragedy genre inspired by FIA? :confused:

I think they have a good idea here. They should make it permanent solution. So on tarmac WRC cars on gravel tyres and PWRC / JWRC on tarmac tyres. Then on Gravel, WRC cars on tarmac tyres and PWRC / JWRC on gravel tyres...

[MikeD]

Ford did all that pre-Cypres testing, and this is all they have to offer??? :rolleyes:

Put PSolberg in that Ford now!

[wwbroe]

I think they have a good idea here. They should make it permanent solution. So on tarmac WRC cars on gravel tyres and PWRC / JWRC on tarmac tyres. Then on Gravel, WRC cars on tarmac tyres and PWRC / JWRC on gravel tyres...

Maybe it could bring some new interest to WRC :D

[dimviii]

:o +1@JohnV (+1@JohnV)

[wwbroe]

Petter taking fifth from Ogier, who probably made a mistake in this stage if you see split times.

[shaitan]

I think they have a good idea here. They should make it permanent solution. So on tarmac WRC cars on gravel tyres and PWRC / JWRC on tarmac tyres. Then on Gravel, WRC cars on tarmac tyres and PWRC / JWRC on gravel tyres...
good idea!
also fia should reduce s1600 car's weight to 600kg,that's greate!

[I am evil Homer]

I think they have a good idea here. They should make it permanent solution. So on tarmac WRC cars on gravel tyres and PWRC / JWRC on tarmac tyres. Then on Gravel, WRC cars on tarmac tyres and PWRC / JWRC on gravel tyres...

Terrible idea...trying to make it a show by handicapping certain drivers!

[wwbroe]

Sandell in the Skoda, is allready half a minute behind Araujo in JWRC. :(

[mdesign]

Nice start for Araujo on PWRC. 30s in 3 stages :)

[RS]

Sandell in the Skoda, is allready half a minute behind Araujo in JWRC. :(

But 44s ahead of everyone else. Arujo is driving very well!

Other than that the rally looks like the usual snooze-fest so far.

[wwbroe]

On stage three the Juniors are seeming to be strugling as well, because they are loosing a lot of time on this one.

[COD]

Terrible idea...trying to make it a show by handicapping certain drivers!


But the Juniors and Production drivers are allready handicapped by their cars, aren't they????