Cyprus Rally 2009 - official thread

[JFL]

Awsome... :)
Thats 1 second a km..

[jonkka]

Even better on 2nd split... -2.0s

EDIT: Rather, the diff between Mikko and Petter stays the same, so it's not "better" but "same"...

[Psycho!]

Petter keeps up the rhythm!!

[JFL]

Maybe just to add another stagewin for the old Xsara? Puhh,,.. exiting.. :)

4,9 sec.. wow

[jonkka]

Maybe just to add another stagewin for the old Xsara? Puhh,,.. exiting.. :)

Looks possible, certainly... :eek:

[Psycho!]

-4,9 for Petter!!Really nice!!!

[darkstar]

nice run from solberg!

[Psycho!]

Ogier faster than anybody on split 4!!!

[jonkka]

Ogier faster than anybody on split 4!!!

No, 4th fastest.

[Psycho!]

No, 4th fastest.
Sorry, I mean between split 3 and 4

[Psycho!]

Petter -11secs!!!O M G!!

[JFL]

Who's the man? 11 sec..

[jonkka]

Sorry, I mean between split 3 and 4

That's true

[tolis]

-11 sec faster????????

[N.O.T]

Peter has found a good pace on that one he can put some pressure on sordo if he keeps it like that

[jonkka]

Petter wants that podium position... just over a minute to Sordo left now...

[KKS]

massive 11 sec wow Petter

[N.O.T]

wilson has a good pace on that one as well....

[jonkka]

Seems that Petter is the only one with a reason to drive flat-out

[Psycho!]

-14,5!!!Gongrats petter!!

[jonkka]

It'll be interesting to see how much tyres he has left on the last one...

[wazlaf]

wilson faster than latvala :eek: :eek: :eek:

[N.O.T]

Solberg is just 50 seconds to sordo now.....

[Psycho!]

"Very 'appy" how long ago Petter said that??Well done!!

[JFL]

Seems that Petter is the only one with a reason to drive flat-out

Why?

[pettersolberg29]

Well done Wilson!

[jonkka]

Why?

Mikko has a minute to Loeb and that's too much. So both Loeb and Mikko just cruise. Sordo now knows he's under pressure but if Petter gets past, it doesn't affect Citroen's points so it's pointless for Dani to risk everything to hold 3rd. JML is too far behind to gain anything, he's got no reason to push. Who else there is to drive that fast...

[N.O.T]

NOVIKOV E. / MOSCATT D. Reported stopped twice

[N.O.T]

NOVIKOV E. / MOSCATT D. "I did a mistake and had to reverse."

[JFL]

Mikko has a minute to Loeb and that's too much. So both Loeb and Mikko just cruise. Sordo now knows he's under pressure but if Petter gets past, it doesn't affect Citroen's points so it's pointless for Dani to risk everything to hold 3rd. JML is too far behind to gain anything, he's got no reason to push. Who else there is to drive that fast...
What's the reason for Petter then? Big gap up and down? He could just secure his place.

[N.O.T]

1 stage to go and 2 monster ones tommorow....

[jonkka]

What's the reason for Petter then? Big gap up and down? He could just secure his place.

Podium finish has been a rare fun for him lately... Besides, he's out there to impress and to get a seat for the future, what's better way than to push like hell?

[Psycho!]

A podium in an old spec car sounds really nice to every team boss.So,that's the reason to push!!!

[N.O.T]

next stage is on...

[Karukera]

Horny Xsara :s tare:

[Psycho!]

next stage is on...
No I think there's an 8min delay as before...

[JFL]

Still it sounds like some of you trying to diffuse his performance...
Nobody could keep up.. thats it..

[tolis]

Interesting splits for Al Attiyah...

[Psycho!]

SS11 is underway!

[dimviii]

Petter on fire again

[jonkka]

Yeah, that's already 15sec faster than Sordo so gap is almost down to half a minute.

[dimviii]

the question is if 82 km of ss are enough for Petter to pass Dani?

[jonkka]

the question is if 82 km of ss are enough for Petter to pass Dani?

Easily - at this rate...

[N.O.T]

Another attack by Solberg....the thing is will the citroen team let sordo fight tommorow now that latvala is out or they will ask him to go with his pace and risk 3rd place but secure the manufacturers points...i think the latter.

[dimviii]

Olivier Quesnel after SS9 to Sordo
You choose the best solution for you, but I need the car at the end.’”
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=4213&desc=Team%20manager%20Service%20Park%20quotes:

[jonkka]

The gap will be down to 20sec, maybe even less

[Finni]

Yes, Petter is now getting at the level I have expected. There is no reason to say that other drivers are cruising - especially Sordo is not willing to let Petter humiliate him. Now the road position is seemingly effecting but even in that case it seems that Petter's real pace at the moment is somewhere between Loeb and Hirvonen. Very nice!!!!

[tolis]

Petter is really FLYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[noel157]

Nearly 20 up at spilt 6.

[jonkka]

Loeb had interestingly slow final split...

[Mirek]

Petter was realy flying on these two stages!

[Gard]

And Henning finally got his turbo working again

[noel157]

Loeb's car started to overheat and also a spin. Of course last stage so he'll be ok. Great effort from Petter.

[noel157]

Am I right? Petter took 34 secs out of Sordo?

[darkstar]

Loeb's car started to overheat and also a spin. Of course last stage so he'll be ok...

of course, how lucky can one be?

[Psycho!]

The conditions now are more normal and Petter showed his speed...Great for him!I really hope for a podium!

[dimviii]

15,9 sec between Dani and Petter.
everything is possible for me as the ss km are about 82. Lets see morrow.

edit Henning also seems to go for 2nd overall at this stage

[Psycho!]

of course, how lucky can one be?
A LOT!!! :mad:

[A.F.F.]

Way to go Petter :up:

[grugsticles]

Now without jumping ahead of ourselves, done this mean we can say that Petter is back... with a vengance?

I sure hope so!!!

[Forde-fotos]

Petter deserves the podium, I hope he gets it.

[Finni]

What Petter said after stage. He said something about Loeb, the car and Norway. Is the comments somewhere available? Or can someone tell what Petter said?

[darkstar]

A LOT!!! :mad:

unfortunately, yes :rolleyes:

[Finni]

It should be observed that Petter had massive road-position advantage (considering for instance times of Citroen junior team and Henning) but in any case this pace warrants the question if Petter can beat Ford drivers in coming races.

Xsara is very good in Cyprus. I remember that Xsara+Loeb outpaced Ford and Grönholm there 2006.

[Krigen]

What Petter said after stage. He said something about Loeb, the car and Norway. Is the comments somewhere available? Or can someone tell what Petter said?

I think he said he did not have active diffs.. Loeb had said it was better with mecanical diffs on the Xsara and Petter had trusted that

[Mirek]

There are new mechanical differentials for Xsara homologated 1st January 2008. I think that those are the best choice...

[ste898]

Do you think there is a danger of M-Sport loosing the Ford contract because of Malcolm's pure lack of being able to select good drivers.
I don't think Ford managment will be too happy with these results?

[COD]

Well well Jonkka and others. After these two stages you still think Petter wouldn't be a better choise as Ford no.1 than Hirvonen (we can name him Slowonen now)??

[ste898]

from WRC .com
MW

Quote:
On Jari-Matti’s accident on SS7:
“He made a great start this morning with the quickest time on the first stage, but then he got caught out. He says he made an error during the recce when he made the pace notes and was just too quick. Here we are again - in a situation that immediately puts a lot more pressure on Mikko for the manufacturers’ points, and of course on Jari himself.”

On Jari-Matti Latvala’s learning curve:
“The one thing that everyone can see is that Jari-Matti has got the potential - if he can keep it all together - to probably beat Sebastien. But he seems to find it difficult to adopt the same sort of policy that Mikko once did. Normally the driver that plays the back up is the one that helps you to win the championship, and that’s what Mikko did fantastically when Marcus was here. Every driver is different, but I still liken Jari-Matti to Ari Vatanen - I think we’ve got a long, hard road ahead of us.

Oh dear......When is Malcolm going to waken up and smell the coffee!!!

[Psycho!]

Well well Jonkka and others. After these two stages you still think Petter wouldn't be a better choise as Ford no.1 than Hirvonen (we can name him Slowonen now)??
Please man....Hirvonen deserves his place!!!

[Fide]

It should be observed that Petter had massive road-position advantage (considering for instance times of Citroen junior team and Henning) but in any case this pace warrants the question if Petter can beat Ford drivers in coming races.

Xsara is very good in Cyprus. I remember that Xsara+Loeb outpaced Ford and Grönholm there 2006.

Doesn´t matter if he was benefited or not... It is really a great pleasure to see Petter fighting again regradless he doesn't have state of the art WRC car.

I don't recall last time he won 2 consecutive stages with Subaru. Hope this performance will be an eye opener for Ford or even Citroen (since Sordo is like a turtle) next year to return from the darkness. Cheers for Petter !
:up:

[DonJippo]

Well well Jonkka and others. After these two stages you still think Petter wouldn't be a better choise as Ford no.1 than Hirvonen (we can name him Slowonen now)??

If I'm not totally mistaken Mikko is still over a minute ahead of Petter so what's your point, if you have any?

[Wim_Impreza]

Please man....Hirvonen deserves his place!!!

I don't think that. He is too slow for a title contender and he makes mistakes (GB 2008, Rally Norway on tactic, he can't drive fast as first on the road...)

[gloomyDAY]

Hell I even had my doubts, but waking up to these results is incredible.
Imagine where Petter would be with Ford and all of their resources.

Also, the FX Pro girls... :D

[Finni]

If I'm not totally mistaken Mikko is still over a minute ahead of Petter so what's your point, if you have any?

If the rally had started now do you think Mikko would do that minute anymore on gravel?

[Woodeye]

If the rally had started now do you think Mikko would do that minute anymore on gravel?

But the rally didn't start now, it started yesterday. And there is the minute. So what's your point?

[pettersolberg29]

The point is that yesterday was tarmac - Petter isn't a tarmac driver. On gravel, as today, Petter has been quicker.

[RS]

Well well Jonkka and others. After these two stages you still think Petter wouldn't be a better choise as Ford no.1 than Hirvonen (we can name him Slowonen now)??

I think Hirvslownen sounds better. But really the negativity ought to be targeted at JML. After the first few events of last year I really thought the boy would go far and eclipse Mikko quite soon as Ford team leader, but this year he seems to have got worse. Neither fast nor reliable. What went wrong?

[Halvis]

Haven't been able to follow the rally today, couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that Petter won 2 stages - and not by a small margin either, fantastic results, and a clear indication that he hasn't lost his driver abilities! Very, very nice, hopefully he will keep it up tomorrow, and get on the podium!

[Finni]

But the rally didn't start now, it started yesterday. And there is the minute. So what's your point?

Yesteraday was tarmac and Petter has fresh car in new conditions.

[chryby]

fantastic pictures from leg 2:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/med.php?g=494&au=0

[gloomyDAY]

But the rally didn't start now, it started yesterday. And there is the minute. So what's your point?If Hirvonen and Petter drove the same cars on gravel, Petter would come out on top? I'm not sure what his point is either but that's my guess.

[DonJippo]

Yesteraday was tarmac

So that does not count then or what was your point?

[Woodeye]

The point is that yesterday was tarmac - Petter isn't a tarmac driver. On gravel, as today, Petter has been quicker.

...and still the gap is a minute or so.

I still fail to see the point of throwing all these "if" 's to conversation. I this series would be WFRC, world flying rally championship, it might be that Matti Nykänen with Airbus would be a real deal here.

Xsara has always been really good in "rallies" like Cypros and Turkey. I still would keep Mikkp in Ford instead of Petter.

[Finni]

So that does not count then or what was your point?

Don't play fool. Yesterday's times don't have too much importance when we are judging Petter's gravel pace and overall potential as a rally driver. The question in the air - since COD's comments - has been "would Petter do better in a Ford than Hirvonen".

It will be interesting to see if Petter will beat Ford boys even in private Xsara in some races. According to todays times it's quite imaginable alternation.

[Finni]

Xsara has always been really good in "rallies" like Cypros and Turkey. I still would keep Mikkp in Ford instead of Petter.

Mikko has proved that he can't challenge Loeb from consistent basis. Drivers like Marcus and Petter, on the contrary, have done it.

I wonder why Wilson don't offer third factory place to Petter. I am quite sure that norwegian sponsorship would take care of money.

[JFL]

Allthough Petter has some lack of great result the last few years, I know(and I guess some of you) that its not because he lost it... Maybe he got even better? Trying to beat better cars.. ? All I know is that Petter has raced in the same cars as :Tommi Makinen(4times WRC champion just prior to joining Subaru) Mikko Hirvonen, and last Atko... And he outpaced all of them.. Not Atko you say? Well I guess there is a simple reason for that! Petter tried to win(and went off, or suffered mech failure) and Atko safed it...At least most of the time.... If you put Petter alongside Mikko(or Loeb) in the same car, I'm very sure that he could easily compare to them. If not beaten them..

[Magnus]

Allthough Petter has some lack of great result the last few years, I know(and I guess some of you) that its not because he lost it... Maybe he got even better? Trying to beat better cars.. ? All I know is that Petter has raced in the same cars as :Tommi Makinen(4times WRC champion just prior to joining Subaru) Mikko Hirvonen, and last Atko... And he outpaced all of them.. Not Atko you say? Well I guess there is a simple reason for that! Petter tried to win(and went off, or suffered mech failure) and Atko safed it...At least most of the time.... If you put Petter alongside Mikko(or Loeb) in the same car, I'm very sure that he could easily compare to them. If not beaten them..

I have always regarded Petter as a very good driver. During the last few years he has almost ruined his carreer due to Subarus handling problems. But to say the he would easily compare with Loeb in the same car I believe is to stretch it a bit to far. Loeb is just to much.

On the other hand I put Petter in the same ranks as Bosse, Colin, Märtin and a few others who all has (had :( ) that little extra "killer instinct".

[JFL]

Did ever Loeb had any competitors in his own team? Yeah sure, you say Colin and Carlos, but I think that he did'nt.. French guy in a french team... I remember Carlos was pretty frustrated with Citroen when he left.. Never got the hang of it... Neither did Colin, but when he did a one of in the Skoda, he was there again.. Sordo was ever really nothing..until now.. he has been kind of stabile.. It's hard to say.. And we will never know. Unless they all agree to drive in a Subaru Gr.N car.. or something.. Interesting view for you, is to watch Youtube, the inboard from Ireland.. Open in two windows.. Loeb, and Atko at the same stage! (the one Atko went off) Start them at the same point, and watch how much faster Loeb's car accelerates out of the corners.. Amazing..

[bluuford]

Wow I thought that Loeb is one lucky guy.. but he is nothing compared to Ogier.. That wrong turn yesterday, nearly 10 spins and stalls and roll down from the mountain.. and still sixth :-) At least someone is thinking a lot about entertaining us ;-)

[Helstar]

I don't know if already discussed (haven't follow the thread) but what is happening to Ogier ? He did great in Citroen S1600, won first WRC special ever in the C4 at first try (Wales), won Monte in the IRC in a S2000 at first try, and after that he has just lost it ?
Three disaster rallies for him ... I'm speculating, but could there be some Citroen problems inside, he has now a lot less performing car because somebody is worried/jealous of his fast rising ... so Ogier has become nervous because losing lots of time in every SS leading to lots of mistakes ? Or is it just me who see only hidden conspiracies everywhere and the truth is that he has been overrated xD ?

[shaitan]

I don't know if already discussed (haven't follow the thread) but what is happening to Ogier ? He did great in Citroen S1600, won first WRC special ever in the C4 at first try (Wales), won Monte in the IRC in a S2000 at first try, and after that he has just lost it ?
Three disaster rallies for him ... I'm speculating, but could there be some Citroen problems inside, he has now a lot less performing car because somebody is worried/jealous of his fast rising ... so Ogier has become nervous because losing lots of time in every SS leading to lots of mistakes ? Or is it just me who see only hidden conspiracies everywhere and the truth is that he has been overrated xD ?

are you kidding?
jealous about their own driver who be a no-works ?
you are funny guy

[Finni]

Interesting view for you, is to watch Youtube, the inboard from Ireland.. Open in two windows.. Loeb, and Atko at the same stage! (the one Atko went off) Start them at the same point, and watch how much faster Loeb's car accelerates out of the corners.. Amazing..

Links?

[Mirek]

I don't know if already discussed (haven't follow the thread) but what is happening to Ogier ? He did great in Citroen S1600, won first WRC special ever in the C4 at first try (Wales), won Monte in the IRC in a S2000 at first try, and after that he has just lost it ?

Well, JWRC 2008 wasn't a big proof of driving qualities. Maybe it's harsh from me but JWRC is just a shadow of what it used to be few years before especialy when You see Burkart on second place... Than he had great start in Walles but went off. On extreme weather Monte Carlo he was veeeeeeeeeeery lucky. He had at least one crash without damage (hi-speed spin into a bank) and all infront of him retired (Hänninen and Meeke crashed, Gardemeister had technical problems, Vouilloz punctured and than crashed twice, Serrazin went off and than broke suspension). He is definitely very taleted but he's not a god. Give him time, it's only his second world championship season and first in WRC ;)

[Finni]

so Ogier has become nervous because losing lots of time in every SS leading to lots of mistakes ? Or is it just me who see only hidden conspiracies everywhere and the truth is that he has been overrated xD ?

You are just hoping too much from extremely inexperienced guy. He has done fine. In some stages he has been almost match to Hirvonen (even regarding diffrence in road position) which enormous result. Everyone might remember how slow Hirvonen was when he started in wrc.

[JFL]

Everyone might remember how slow Hirvonen was when he started in wrc.
Hirvonen was quick as soon as he left Subaru in a private Ford..
Wonder what Petter could have done if he left earlier...

[JFL]

Links?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M_ou0Sxl6I&feature=channel_page ATKO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcaFLVaHEH0&feature=channel_page LOEB

If you run Atko's Video to aprox.02.53 and Loeb at :02.23. You should be at aprox. the same place.. maybe some adjustment.... ;) Enjoy..

[Helstar]

are you kidding?
jealous about their own driver who be a no-works ?
you are funny guy
You haven't understood anything as usual, but ok lol

Thanx Mirek Fric and Finni for sharing some thoughts ;)

[Brother John]

I don't think that. He is too slow for a title contender and he makes mistakes (GB 2008, Rally Norway on tactic, he can't drive fast as first on the road...)

I think Hirvonen and Latvala be not the problem, but also Malcolm and Ford is a problem for bad results.
Just like for Subaru, Prodrive was a problem. :rolleyes:
This way we can give partly the team bosses and engineers the debt for not achieving results, they took several times the wrong decisions.
Ford has been already fames for stupid tactics.
Also, most of the other drivers could win a rally if there were more teams with compotentcial rally cars.
How you can have a championship with only one real factory team and one commerce business company team? Don´t blame only the drivers for their results!

[wwbroe]

Good morning, are there any other forummembers who are awake to follow last day of this rally. Do you think we will see any drama today? ;) Ten minutes to start of first stage of the day.

[Psycho!]

Good Morning mates!!!Hoping for interesting third day.....!

[Brother John]

Wow I thought that Loeb is one lucky guy.. but he is nothing compared to Ogier.. That wrong turn yesterday, nearly 10 spins and stalls and roll down from the mountain.. and still sixth :-) At least someone is thinking a lot about entertaining us ;-)

This only proves that Citroën has the best car.
Those falls not in parts if they touch something. ;)

[WRC1]

i am here!

good morning

[r199]

morning everyone

in my opinion there is only one constructor in the wrc and that is ford
there is no citroen wrc team it is the seb loeb wrc team the car is bilt only for seb and he is the only one who is alowd to win whit the car

it is just like the f1 whit the schumacher ferrari he whas the only one who cold realy drive fast whit the car the rest all had problems (bad car)

[jonkka]

morgon...

[harriswrc]

No splits for Hirvonen?

[Psycho!]

Mikko is not on the splits........

[jonkka]

Yeh...

Switched GPS off to put pressure on Loeb? :eek:

[wwbroe]

Maybe he didn't start? :D

[jonkka]

Can any Cypriot/Greek confirm whether #62 is Pantelis Pamboukka or Bamboukka?

[wwbroe]

Does anybody know what the weather is like today? ;)

[Psycho!]

It's raining on the stages...

[jonkka]

And Petter is having hard time matching Sordo...

[Brother John]

Maybe he didn't start? :D

He does not want to be made ridiculous in a championship which is called WRC 2009? :laugh:

[wwbroe]

And Petter is having hard time matching Sordo...

He is not that far away from Sordo, but you are right he is having difficultiesto catch up with him.

[Psycho!]

No road sweeping and no advantage fot him.....Novikov stopped on stage!

[wwbroe]

Also good performance by Novikov sofar, let's see how long he will last at that speed. :D

Edit: is he stopped???

[darkstar]

i think solberg wont be able to catch sordo, unfortunately. they have almost the same speed, but he need to do lots faster...lets see what the 40km stage will bring!

[Psycho!]

Sordo takes 6 secs off Seb....!

[wwbroe]

Loeb made a mistake, look at splits. :(

[Psycho!]

Also good performance by Novikov sofar, let's see how long he will last at that speed. :D

Edit: is he stopped???
No splits for Novi

[Psycho!]

Mikko faster than Loeb by 5 secs

[Brother John]

At last Ford has understood to turn off the split times. :idea:

[Psycho!]

Petter 2,7 faster than Sordo...!

[jonkka]

At last Ford has understood to turn off the split times. :idea:

There should be a penalty for doing that.

[wwbroe]

Petter 2,7 faster than Sordo...!

Yes, but he told at finish that he stalled in one junction and lost about ten seconds?? :(

[Psycho!]

Solberg said that lost 12secs in a junction????

[Psycho!]

Yes, but he told at finish that he stalled in one junction and lost about ten seconds?? :(
He will take them back on next stage!! ;)

[Brother John]

There should be a penalty for doing that.

You want another stupid rule from the F.I.A.? :rolleyes:

Hirvonen need at least a second faster each kilometre to win this rally. :(

[Gard]

Hopefully Petters gears will be ok for the rest of the rally. The car stalled a couple of minutes into the stage and he couldn't get the first gear in.

[WRC1]

There should be a penalty for doing that.

agree!! splits for everybody or for nobody! everything between is bull

[Psycho!]

You want another stupid rule from the F.I.A.? :rolleyes:

Hirvonen need at least a second faster each kilometre to win this rally. :(
And conditions don't help at all!!! :mad:

[Brother John]

agree!! splits for everybody or for nobody! everything between is bull

I choose for nobody, also we fans, can wait easily for the stage times. :s mokin:

[darkstar]

Originally Posted by Brother John http://worldrally.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/aria/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://worldrally.motorsportforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=601327#post601327)
You want another stupid rule from the F.I.A.? :rolleyes:

Hirvonen need at least a second faster each kilometre to win this rally. :(



And conditions don't help at all!!! :mad:

he wont make that without problems or mistakes from loeb. but i hope the very best for solberg!

also quite interesting is the battle between araujo and sandell!

[Gard]

I choose for nobody, also we fans, can wait easily for the stage times. :s mokin:

Go back to bed, you must be sick. Splits is half the fun :D

[dimviii]

Goood morning to everyone!!!!!!! :D

Novikov rolled in ss :(

[bluuford]

Goood morning to everyone!!!!!!! :D

Novikov rolled in ss :(

Yes, he just rolled one additional point to Ford manufacturer effort.

[ste898]

There should be a penalty for doing that.

Why are split times needed.....that is one if not the biggest item that is making WRC so boring......drivers are just driving to times!!!!!

[dimviii]

Araujo seems that he can do it...

[Lalo]

Novikov rolled in ss :(

Oh, noooo :(

Go Petter!! Keep up! Go get Dani and show him who is the boss!

[Brother John]

Go back to bed, you must be sick. Splits is half the fun :D

It would be more fun if the drivers had to go full speed until the finnish.
Ho care about what the fans want. More fun with rally without split times for everyone. :p :

[r199]

the splits are ok but there should be a rule that forbids to give it to the drivers that way everyone is driving flat out and whe can follow it good

[wwbroe]

the splits are ok but there should be a rule that forbids to give it to the drivers that way everyone is driving flat out and whe can follow it good

The system of splittimes is costing a whole lot of money, so i don't think they will do it just for the fans. ;)

[wwbroe]

The longest stage of the rally will be live in a couple of minutes, it is now or never for Hirvonen and also for Solberg if he wants to catch up with Sordo. ;)

[WRC1]

It would be more fun if the drivers had to go full speed until the finnish.

yep!! maybe one of the lot points making IRC that sucessfull....

[Brother John]

How much and which drivers make a mistake or have a breakdown in the next long stage?

I think at least 3. ;)
Which?
1. ----
2. ----
3. ----
:?:

[KKS]

It would be more fun if the drivers had to go full speed until the finnish.
Ho care about what the fans want. More fun with rally without split times for everyone. :p :

no splits in car - mean spiceal people at stage with time boards like f1 . Loeb +1.5

[Psycho!]

Count out the Citroens...They are so lucky...Even weather loves them!!

[bluuford]

How much and which drivers make a mistake or have a breakdown in the next long stage?

I think at least 3. ;)
Which?
1. ----
2. ----
3. ----
:?:

I think that the decider will be the last one.. with worn tires and smaller concentration... But definitely.. Ogier has had a lot of luck so far and Rautenbach is the only Citroen junior driver without any major mistakes:-)

[Gard]

All whining aside. wrc.com have worked flawlessly in this rally. at least I haven't had any problems and that is a first time.

[Psycho!]

The marathon is underway!Go Petter!!

[KKS]

Loeb, Mikko, Dani same time at split 1 :D

[Psycho!]

Loeb.Sordo,Hirvo same first split.

[A.F.F.]

Petter is in the zone again :up:

[Psycho!]

-1,4 for Petter!!

[wwbroe]

Go Petter Go :eek:

[darkstar]

petter realye wants it, 1.4 faster!

[Brother John]

no splits in car - mean spiceal people at stage with time boards like f1 . Loeb +1.5

Yes they wil find something, I think mobil phone. :D
The current system is the simple for the drivers, it´s like drive with PLAYSTATION. Loeb´s pleased game. :s mokin:

[jonkka]

All whining aside. wrc.com have worked flawlessly in this rally. at least I haven't had any problems and that is a first time.

Maybe there's less interest => less server load => better response times...

[jonkka]

Petter has halved the difference...

[Psycho!]

-6,2 from Sordo on 2nd split!!

[Gard]

This is why Petter wants to stay in private team. If he had been in the juniors now, he would have to back down for Sordo.

[Brother John]

And good-bye Mikko.....I intend good-bye championship for Mikko :confused:

[John V]

Maybe there's less interest => less server load => better response times...

Exactly :) But popular events - to avoid overloading, we separated website and live results servers and since this have no problems with overload, even we are generating much more data (all categories etc.). The wrc should do the same maybe.

[Wim_Impreza]

Lucky that it is exciting in PWRC.

[Psycho!]

-7,3 now.....

[jonkka]

Exactly :) But popular events - to avoid overloading, we separated website and live results servers and since this have no problems with overload, even we are generating much more data (all categories etc.). The wrc should do the same maybe.

A site of that size is running load-balanced cluster, not individual servers. Or should be.

[Psycho!]

Sordo lost a lot to Loeb on split 4

[jonkka]

Almost there...

[Psycho!]

-10,9 to Sordo!!!Go Petter!!!

[darkstar]

petter rockz! and ogier is going to catch wilson i guess...

[Psycho!]

-14,8 now!!!!AMAZING!

[Gard]

All whining aside. wrc.com have worked flawlessly in this rally. at least I haven't had any problems and that is a first time.
oh boy. I've jinxed them now

[jonkka]

That's it, Petter's past and on podium...

[dimviii]

with this behave to Sordo,i can see that Petters xsara will not be more than 2oo ps at next round,from the special ecu tuning by citroen-sport :p


GOOOOO PETTER!!!!!!!

[Brother John]

How much and which drivers make a mistake or have a breakdown in the next long stage?

I think at least 3. ;)
Which?
1. E. NOVICOV
2. ----
3. ----

[John V]

A site of that size is running load-balanced cluster, not individual servers. Or should be.

I hope they will do like this. But also the optimalisation of db and engine is important. Should be interesting to know how many request per minute coming to this site.

[KKS]

How much and which drivers make a mistake or have a breakdown in the next long stage?

I think at least 3. ;)
Which?
1. E. NOVICOV
2. ----
3. ----

Novicov rolled at prev. 30km stage

[A.F.F.]

Mikko setting the pace.

[Magnus]

Go go go Petter!!!
I really did not expect that anything would excite me in this years WRC...
I am so glad I was wrong :D

[GigiGalliNo1]

i can see that Petters xsara will not be more than 2oo ps at next round,from the special ecu tuning by citroen-sport :p



hahaha

[jonkka]

I hope they will do like this. But also the optimalisation of db and engine is important. Should be interesting to know how many request per minute coming to this site.

Also note that they are so heavily laden with ads (from three different providers!) that those slow down the site as well. Try it with ad-blocker on and see if you notice any improvement...

[darkstar]

problems for loeb??? hirvonen 14 seconds faster :eek: :eek: :eek:

[jonkka]

Mikko setting the pace.

A little too late though I suspect that either Loeb has a small prob or he's cruising.

[dimviii]

something must be happened to Loeb between splits 6-8 :dozey:

[A.F.F.]

A little too late though I suspect that either Loeb has a small prob or he's cruising.

Surely it's not a problem. I suspect the latter one.

[jonkka]

Surely it's not a problem. I suspect the latter one.

Hannu Mikkola should tell him a warning tale and advice against cruising...

[A.F.F.]

Hannu Mikkola should tell him a warning tale and advice against cruising...

"Wake up Sebastien !!! Those are not the lines of a worldchampion !!"

[tmx]

Petter on the podium, Citroen will not be please. Maybe they'll ask Petter to slow down for Sordo to pass.

[Brother John]

"Wake up Sebastien !!! Those are not the lines of a worldchampion !!"

Don´t wake him up please. ;)

[jonkka]

"Wake up Sebastien !!! Those are not the lines of a worldchampion !!"

Nope. 1982 Swedish, Mikkola was leading comfortably but relaxed, went off into a snowbank and dropped to 16th.

[darkstar]

Petter on the podium, Citroen will not be please.

time to replace sordo :D i´m just kidding ;)

[Brother John]

Petter on the podium, Citroen will not be please.

No problem for factory points.

[Gard]

Petter on the podium, Citroen will not be please.

Petter is driving a Citroen ;) and Citroen will not be to conserned about Sordos championship points

[Psycho!]

Petter on the podium, Citroen will not be please.
One way or another they are taking 16 points.So,no problem!

[A.F.F.]

Nope. 1982 Swedish, Mikkola was leading comfortably but relaxed, went off into a snowbank and dropped to 16th.

But change Sebastien to Ari and that was what Hannu said him after the first loop of RAC back in 1981.

[Kamikaze]

Can we call him Slowdo after this Drive ? :D

[dimviii]

Ogier gains a lot to Wilson through last splits.Maybe in front of him after this ss.
Araujo seems to loose the leadershi in pwrc too

[jonkka]

But change Sebastien to Ari and that was what Hannu said him after the first loop of RAC back in 1981.

:)

[wwbroe]

Sandell is putting great pressure on Aurojo, he may take first place in PWRC after this stage. ;)

[Gard]

Can we call him Slowdo after this Drive ? :D

:D get Petter a good C4 and maybe we'll have Sloewb too

[Wim_Impreza]

Ogier passed Wilson. For sure not a deserved 5th place for Ogier with so much luck. When we were 5 years ago, he was not in the top 10 with those mistakes...

[John V]

Sandell is putting great pressure on Aurojo, he may take first place in PWRC after this stage. ;)
20 sec for Patrik now, hope he will manage it :)

[bluuford]

seems that Latavala can catch Rautenbach on stage:-) Hopefully Conrad is driving in right direction :-P

[KKS]

great run for Skoda and Patrick!!! GOGO!

[Psycho!]

seems that Latavala can catch Rautenbach on stage:-) Hopefully Conrad is driving in right direction :-P
:D :D

[Brother John]

How much and which drivers make a mistake or have a breakdown in the next long stage? Maybe just to slow?

I think at least 3. ;)
Which?
1. Sordo
2. Wilson
3. ----

[wwbroe]

Sandell will take the lead in PWRC from Araujo. ;)

[dimviii]

broken gear-box for Araujo....pitty...

[FAlonso]

Armindo is having gearbox problems since todays first stage.

[wwbroe]

Last stage of the rally will be live soon. ;)

[tolis]

Will Attiyah catch Araujo????

[urabus-denoS2000]

Link for live stage?

[Finni]

Judging by the time and info from the stage 12 it seems there is very wet road conditions. It has been common tendency in this rally and overally that Hirvonen is the fastest throught damp stages and sections. Loeb has been probably bit careful but knowing Ford's/Mikko's damp pace he scarcely has been cruising without split times.

[dimviii]

possible Tolis,depends from how serious is the problem with gear-box of Araujos.
Arai what problem he had in last stage?

[René]

Link for live stage?

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=409&season=2009&rally_id=CY

[John V]

possible Tolis,depends from how serious is the problem with gear-box of Araujos.
Arai what problem he had in last stage?
Broken front driveshaft from previous stage

[tolis]

Let's see!!!

[MikeD]

:bounce: WIN NO 50 :bounce:

:roll: :roll:

:beer: to the other Loeb fans

[tolis]

Congratulations Seb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[urabus-denoS2000]

Go Seb and Dani (Elena) !!!!!!!!!

Congratulations!

[WRC1]

congratulations sebastien and daniel!!!

ford must change something very soon....

[wwbroe]

Great achiefment by Mister Loeb. ;)

[ste898]

:bounce: WIN NO 50 :bounce:

:roll: :roll:

:beer: to the other Loeb fans

Big celebrations lol

Where was his competition ........there was'nt any!!!

[tmx]

ford must change something very soon....
Sorry due to economic reason they don't have more money to change it.

[wwbroe]

Sorry due to economic reason they don't have more money to change it.

To actually change what? Loeb's dominance?

[bluuford]

Sorry due to economic reason they don't have more money to change it.

Ford have upgraded engine for Portugal..

And there is a fight between Wilslow and oige eri!

[wwbroe]

Wilson is faster then Loeb between split two and three!!!!

Edit: between spli 1 and two !!!

[jonkka]

Petter on podium - that is good

[Patwrc]

Petter you have done it! YEAH

[A.F.F.]

Congrats for big 50 Sebastien and Daniel.

That's a record that won't be broken, maybe ever.

[tolis]

Bravo Petter!!!!!!

[darkstar]

solberg is so glad about 3rd place, thats cool! he´s more happy than loeb wo has won. i thinks loeb must be pretty bored of winning :D

[r199]

great for petter realy like him great sportsman and that wit an (historic rally car) he is better than seb

[wwbroe]

Congrats to Loeb and Solberg, Wilson is flying also!!!!

Ogier off the road !!!

[mjh]

ford must change something very soon....

The only thing they can't match is Loeb, the Focus is a match for the C4 if there is an equal class of driver behind the wheel IMHO. If the C4 was so unbeatable I don't think we would have seen Petter in 3rd place with an old Xsara!

I think Petters performance has been excellent. Maybe all the grumbling about the Scooby inhibiting his potential is right after all.....

[darkstar]

ogier off!!!

[Psycho!]

Ogier off!!!!

[dimviii]

stage win for Wilslow :p

Ogier sortie de routie?must be at the last 2 kiliometre!!!

[r199]

wtf a bad off???????? someone info

[bluuford]

Well someones luck finished before the the rally.. it was already bit too exiting anyway .-)

[Psycho!]

The only thing they can't match is Loeb, the Focus is a match for the C4 if there is an equal class of driver behind the wheel IMHO. If the C4 was so unbeatable I don't think we would have seen Petter in 3rd place with an old Xsara!

Remember that Solberg is much better in gravel than Sordo!

[WRC1]

To actually change what? Loeb's dominance?


no! not loeb dominance, but they can change:

- the drivers!! they need a number 1 driver, a driver wich is fighting and put pressure on loeb from first to last stage! not only on the last 2 stages - hence petter solberg!

- the test team!! they need to make theire homework, ford made a 4 day test with gravel tires on tarmac, they said before cyprus they are well prepaired...and on friday evening they where surprised by the conditions and the fact that a used tire is better than a new one....just funny

REG

WRC1

[Brother John]

great for petter realy like him great sportsman and that wit an historic rally car.

Unfortunate that it is a Citroën. But anyway, Congrats to Petter. :up:

[Psycho!]

Well someones luck finished before the the rally.. it was already bit too exiting anyway .-)
Time for other guys as well to live that..... ;)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Big celebrations lol

Where was his competition ........there was'nt any!!!


I just knew you would say that.......



Congratulations to Petter for a staggering performance and Matthew for a stage win (not counting the SSS win)!!!!!!!!!!

Seems the 5 year plan is working,he can win when everyone is cruising!

[N.O.T]

Great win for Loeb.....once more he was unstopable

Good perfromance by Solberg as well in a rally were rally skills are never tested. I doubt he will be that good in the other trues gravel ad tarmac rallies.

[dimviii]

the joke of the rally....

Wilson after his stage win at last ss:"I can't go faster." :D :p :D :p :D

[tmx]

Hahaha. I was watching Matthew Wilson time to see if he could overhaul Sebastian. I don't think he would have gotten 5th place if Sebastian wouldn't get problems, Sebastian split time before he crash was close to Matthew, they were both going flat out.

Great acheivement for Petter to get podium because it's his first proper podium in a while. Greece 2008 2nd place is not proper imo because the many of top drivers were having problems. I think Ford team should employ Petter.

[John V]

Update about Ogier: seems the car stopped because technical problem (based on info from Limassol HQ)