Portugal 2009

[Micke_VOC]

Marcus for president, "Early breaking" seems so on the time=)

[DonJippo]

Bosse breaking too early, not used to notes and little bit afraid with the new car as well...second fastest on the stage?

[wwbroe]

Sandell faster on first split then the Hollandian boys with their big WRC's. :D

[A.F.F.]

Yes, Marcus on the pace but not so sure about Subaru.

He got -09 data in the car and fixed the steering. Maybe that helped him.

Anyway, I consider Loeb and Marcus kind of guys who would drive a lawnmover and still got podium. :)

[bennizw]

Large difference between Mads and Marcus, who are supposed to have the same car?

[jbmarcus21]

Yesss for Marcus !!! Just 4"9 behind Latvala !! Perfect start !!!

[Mirek]

It looks realistic that Sandell may "eat" the dust from Dutch boys...

[Finni]

Bosse breaking too early, not used to notes and little bit afraid with the new car as well...second fastest on the stage?

Yes, Macolm put Marcus in the Ford instead of young boys :-)

[Finni]

He got -09 data in the car and fixed the steering. Maybe that helped him.

Anyway, I consider Loeb and Marcus kind of guys who would drive a lawnmover and still got podium. :)

I also think that Petter might be more sensitive to set-up.

[DonJippo]

Yes, Macolm put Marcus in the Ford instead of young boys :-)

I'm sure he would if Marcus would make a fulltime comeback but we know he won't so no need to cry over that.

[DonJippo]

Anyway, I consider Loeb and Marcus kind of guys who would drive a lawnmover and still got podium. :)

Yes and even on reverse if needed :)

[Sulland]

Holland with 4 teams, that is not bad. But are these more of the gentleman type of drivers, doing it for fun, or does anyone of them have a plan of becoming the world champ ?

[teufel]

Holland with 4 teams, that is not bad. But are these more of the gentleman type of drivers, doing it for fun, or does anyone of them have a plan of becoming the world champ ?

most probably: no ;)

[dimviii]

good morning guys! :D

good battle betweem Araujo-Sandell.
but i am waiting for Nikkara :s mokin:

[wwbroe]

Sandell stopped in the stage :(

[Mirek]

Sandell stopped on stage...

[Wim_Impreza]

Holland with 4 teams, that is not bad. But are these more of the gentleman type of drivers, doing it for fun, or does anyone of them have a plan of becoming the world champ ?

They do it for fun. Dennis Kuipers won Lausitz Rally 2008 with Focus WRC just a few seconds before Peter Corazza in a Lancer Evo 7 Group N. That says enough I think. ;)

[Finni]

It's amazing how old man (41) is driving... I guess his road-position compensated his car weakness in last ss but considering all things stunning time. With proper car Grönholm could still be match to Loeb on gravel.

[wwbroe]

Sandell seem to have rolled the Skoda :(

[DonJippo]

Third stage is on, Mikko 0.4 sec behind Seb on first split.

[Mirek]

Yes, drivers behind say he crashed.

[J.Lindstroem]

Imagine him winning this weekend! :D

[A.F.F.]

It's amazing how old man (41) is driving... I guess his road-position compensated his car weakness in last ss but considering all things stunning time. With proper car Grönholm could still be match to Loeb on gravel.

Yes because even if Loeb is a semi-god, he still is getting older by the same rate than Grönholm :)

[wwbroe]

Best time for Magalhaes in the Pug S2000, i mean in Gr.N ofcourse. ;)

[DuncanD]

Is world rally radio working for anyone?

Windows media player says "cannot play any items in the playlist" and its doesn't work in VLC either.

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen setting good splits on stage 3. :)

[wwbroe]

Is world rally radio working for anyone?

Windows media player says "cannot play any items in the playlist" and its doesn't work in VLC either.

It is working fine over here. :)

[A.F.F.]

Is world rally radio working for anyone?

Windows media player says "cannot play any items in the playlist" and its doesn't work in VLC either.

Works fine. I can hear all the stupid things Colin is saying loud and clear :)

[DuncanD]

I'll carry on trying then, thanks!

[Helstar]

Good morning from middle east of sweden. Bright and sunny weather here too, and just waiting for an amazing day when unfortenately Loeb will crash on one of the first stages....

Wishful thinking ahhh...

Well, the rallyradio is on and it´s gonna be exciting. Hoppla Flodin and Sandell!!

:cool:
Holy crap Flodin is going to touch iron all the way xD

[Wim_Impreza]

Best time for Magalhaes in the Pug S2000, i mean in Gr.N ofcourse. ;)

You mean in S2000 / PWRC, best time in Gr.N is for Al-Attiyah. ;)

[wwbroe]

You mean in S2000 / PWRC, best time in Gr.N is for Al-Attiyah. ;)

They are still N4's you know, but that is what i mean indeed. ;)

[wwbroe]

Sordo doing realy well for the moment, let's see if he can keep this up.

[DuncanD]

Works fine. I can hear all the stupid things Colin is saying loud and clear :)


Got it working, just in time for....... Natalie Imbruglia

[marwilku]

Kosciuszko after first split fastest than D.Kuipers in wrc :-)

[wwbroe]

Wowh, Latvalla is really flying on the stage, great split times.

[Magnus]

Finally an interesting rally!!!
:D

[Helstar]

wtf is doing Ogier, or maybe I was right in my Cyprus suppositions ... it's so strange anyway :\

[wwbroe]

wtf is doing Ogier, or maybe I was right in my Cyprus suppositions ... it's so strange anyway :\

Maybe he isn't the so called "star" after all. Best time for Latvalla again.

[A.F.F.]

wtf is doing Ogier, or maybe I was right in my Cyprus suppositions ... it's so strange anyway :\

I missed your Cyprus suppositions, what were they?

[wwbroe]

If you have a good look at splits, it might become a problem for Marcus with dust from his frontrunners, even with two minutes interval. :(

[Helstar]

I missed your Cyprus suppositions, what were they?
He has been overrated. Or he is getting a bad car. Or both.

[A.F.F.]

He has been overrated. Or he is getting a bad car. Or both.

Ok... that covers pretty much every option :laugh:

[Helstar]

Ok... that covers pretty much every option :laugh:
lol it's like that Rocky parody, the "never-wrong" expert said "I think that either Rocky or Ivan Drago will win" xD

I suspect he's getting a bad car, no way he can be so slow now .. and in Cyprus all those errors in a single stage, clearly some problems (steering ?) with the car.

Go Marcus O_o

[A.F.F.]

What is going on Petter's mind now?? Yes, the rally is still at it's early stage but still, Marcus has shown Subie can be pushed on podium pace with proper testrun....

Maybe the biggest lack at Prodrive was gap of communication last year?

[wwbroe]

What is going on Petter's mind now?? Yes, the rally is still at it's early stage but still, Marcus has shown Subie can be pushed on podium pace with proper testrun....

Maybe the biggest lack at Prodrive was gap of communication last year?

You are absolutely right, but we have to take into consideration that his startposition is very good. We will see. ;)

[Brother John]

Loeb in troubles?

http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0184.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0184.gif) My system works. You have to find out what i did to see not the same results like usually! today not Loeb, Loeb, Loeb and Loeb. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/cool/cool0020.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=cool/cool0020.gif)

[Fang]

What is going on Petter's mind now?? Yes, the rally is still at it's early stage but still, Marcus has shown Subie can be pushed on podium pace with proper testrun....

Maybe the biggest lack at Prodrive was gap of communication last year?
Sr
He's still behind Sordo on gravel with a better starting position. Nothing to write home about.

Yet!!

[Brother John]

lol it's like that Rocky parody, the "never-wrong" expert said "I think that either Rocky or Ivan Drago will win" xD

I suspect he's getting a bad car, no way he can be so slow now .. and in Cyprus all those errors in a single stage, clearly some problems (steering ?) with the car.

Go Marcus O_o

Citroën has only 1 good car, the Loeb car.http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0189.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0189.gif)

[Sarac330d]

You are absolutely right, but we have to take into consideration that his startposition is very good. We will see. ;)

Petter-s position was also very good last year on every rally, so it can be that Marcus is little bit faster with same car.
Imagine if he was involved in developing and testing of that car like Petter, he would be probably even more faster.

[A.F.F.]

Sr
He's still behind Sordo on gravel with a better starting position. Nothing to write home about.

Yet!!

Which could easily be explained with over a year's absence from rallyes. Let's see the rest of the rally.

[Doon]

Finally an interesting rally!!!
:D

I wouldn't get too excited, wait until the end of SS5..... Loeb won't have been sweeping that one. Yes, it looks exciting at the moment but I have this feeling that it will be business as usual for Seb by the end of the day!

[Sarac330d]

What is going on Petter's mind now?? Yes, the rally is still at it's early stage but still, Marcus has shown Subie can be pushed on podium pace with proper testrun....

Maybe the biggest lack at Prodrive was gap of communication last year?

Gap of cummunication between Petter and car you mean? :p
I think that Prodrive is too long in bussines and they are very professional, so lack of communication isn`t good explanation for bad results.

[Brother John]

Latvala more busy with driving now than with looking at to the split times of the others. http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/sign/sign0191.gif (http://www.mysmiley.net/freesmiley.php?smiley=sign/sign0191.gif)

[wwbroe]

Looks like Loeb is allready reacting on this stage, even if he is still sweeping the road. ;)

[A.F.F.]

Gap of cummunication between Petter and car you mean? :p
I think that Prodrive is too long in bussines and they are very professional, so lack of communication isn`t good explanation for bad results.

I disagree.

I think Finni hit a bullseye with his comment. What Petter needs from his car seem to be god's own little mystery. It's no secret he (Petter) was very frustrated about the performance not only the car but also Prodrive of not providing him a winning car. Maybe he needs more sensitive car for his style where Marcus settles for more simple car ??? Anyway, how many times in the last couple of years we saw that Atkinson was beeter comfortable with his car than Petter.

With communication gap I meant Petter and the laptop guys.

[wwbroe]

Great time for Al Attiyah on stage 3, beating the other Gr.N cars by a lot in his Subaru N14.

[Magnus]

I wouldn't get too excited, wait until the end of SS5..... Loeb won't have been sweeping that one. Yes, it looks exciting at the moment but I have this feeling that it will be business as usual for Seb by the end of the day!

C´mon now... I am trying to spread some positive wibes :D
It is great just to have Bosse IN the rally!
I´m fine with Loeb winning, what is really interesting is pondering a bit about Solberg/Atko/Subies contra Fords and Cits. No one can ever tell who is the best driver, but the fact that so many are driving "new" cars poses for interesting implications.

So come on! happy days are here again, at least for the weekend!

[A.F.F.]

Hello Magnus :wave:

Long time no see :)

[wwbroe]

No splis anymore for JML? :confused:

[A.F.F.]

Whoops.... Latvala missing a split ?? Is he out already ?

[tolis]

problems for Sandell?

[wwbroe]

problems for Sandell?

He rolled the Fabia on stage two. :(

[A.F.F.]

Marcus having a poor first split...

[MartijnS]

Latvala problem??

[wwbroe]

Latvalla is out? :confused:

[tolis]

Thanks wwbroe.
O h noooooo JML

[tolis]

JML rolled........................................
No,no,no,no

[MartijnS]

He rolled, omg.

[wwbroe]

Latvall rolled!!!!

[Viking]

Here we go again, JML :(

[A.F.F.]

What a surprise. Latvala is really getting on Malcom's nerves.....

[marwilku]

shiiittt!!!

[wwbroe]

This is really unbelievable, how is it possible. :( :confused:

[dimviii]

Latvala rolled!! :eek:

[jonkka]

A little bit too Duvalish for my taste

[Helstar]

As usual... :|

[Finni]

Latvala out..
Marcus in...

[marwilku]

All in Marcus hands :D

[wwbroe]

In the mean time, Loeb is realising his first best time and business will be as usual. ;)

[jonas_mcrae]

Marcus back to ford please.....

[A.F.F.]

If I was Malcom Wilson, i'd do the same Frequelin did with Duval and put him on the bench for a couple of rallies and hire Marcus to cover him.

[dimviii]

''Duvalish'' hahahaha :D

lets wait to see the reason (ie mechanical problem or driving fault)but i think that we are going to have changes to blue boys after this rally.

Latvala with his driving shows how good no2 is Sordo.

[Finni]

If I was Malcom Wilson, i'd do the same Frequelin did with Duval and put him on the bench for a couple of rallies and hire Marcus to cover him.

There is one difference: Frequelin is a winner, Macolm is not.

[Wim_Impreza]

Latvall rolled!!!!

It is so predictable that I even didn't have Latvala in my prono.

[A.F.F.]

Hoppla Latvala :dozey:

[A.F.F.]

There is one difference: Frequelin is a winner, Macolm is not.

Indeed :up:

[Xsara Fan]

WRC radio is a piece of sh*t! 'I`ll change batteries'....

[dimviii]

very good pace from Nikkara,already in front of Araujo and Prokop in his first rally with 4wd car.

[bluuford]

If I would be Malcolm I would announce Latvalas career end.. right now. And but who else on the second car.. even Wilson jr is better! some points are much better than 0 points:-) Choice is actually quite good, Grönholm, Atkinson, Solberg, Aava now it looks that even Duval is better ;-)

[cosmicpanda]

maybe this is the plan to get Wilson into the official car?

[Rallyper]

WRC radio is a piece of sh*t! 'I`ll change batteries'....

Well I don´t agree with you. How would it be then? Please tell all of us others who like Colin and co. :dozey:

[Glee]

This is really unbelievable, how is it possible. :( :confused:


Basically you shift the center of mass outside the positions of the wheels.

[Finni]

Indeed :up:

Frequelin would never keep incompetent boy driving for years only because it's his son.

There is things that makes difference between winners and loosers.

[jonkka]

There is one difference: Frequelin is a winner, Macolm is not.

Guy lost 1981 championship to Vatanen, so in that sense he's not a winner...

[A.F.F.]

maybe this is the plan to get Wilson into the official car?

Now I finally understand the meaning of that five-year-plan. To wait patiently Latvala to **** up and then put Wilson jr. to save the day :)

[A.F.F.]

Basically you shift the center of mass outside the positions of the wheels.

:laugh:

[jonas_mcrae]

get Duval in that second focus! haha even he crashes less.

[Woodeye]

I've been thinking all the time with JML that "let the kid learn", but this is getting rediculous. :down:

[A.F.F.]

Ók, this has been fun but I'm going to go karting :)

Vrooooooom !!!!!! Cya.

[J.Lindstroem]

lol his not even a kid. he should have learned by now!

[Wim_Impreza]

Ók, this has been fun but I'm going to go karting :)

Vrooooooom !!!!!! Cya.

Have fun.

Latvala is now for sure even more a crashdummy than Duval.

[Viking]

lol his not even a kid. he should have learned by now!

Yes, how many wrc-rallies has he done now?

[wwbroe]

Al Attiyah is really doing great times in PWRC, that is surprice with the Subbie, also Flodin in the new Impreza not doing bad. ;)

[tmx]

I think he just need to take sometimes off, it was the same problem with Dani Sordo, after taking the time off he came back and got better.

Marcus is second place in a Subaru, lol wow.

[Wim_Impreza]

Yes, how many wrc-rallies has he done now?

More than 70.

[wwbroe]

No more splits for Magalhaes :confused: :(

[jonkka]

More than 70.

This is his 71st WRC start - to be exact.

[wwbroe]

Do you guys still hear WRR, because i seem to have lost the connection?


Edit; now it is back!

[Wim_Impreza]

This is his 71st WRC start - to be exact.

Thank you, I didn't knew it exact. ;)

[bluuford]

I think that it was Latvala,s 66th WRC start

41 rallies of them with WRC car in World Rally Championship

+12 rallies in WRC car outside World Rally Championship

He is not kid anymore

[noel157]

Is it time for Papa Wilson to hand out one of these? For a month or two anyway.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/simple_deduction/p45_example.gif

(thanks to Brian Duggan for the link)

[N.O.T]

pity for latvala....the ford team currently has a quitter and a car destroyer in its ranks...not a good lineup if they have any ambitions.

Good start for gronholm if he continues like that he will expose the true weakness of the subaru andit in;t the car

[dukof]

These comments on Latvala will soon be stuck in your throat. He will be a Legend and a champion for sure. He simply has some issues to get through. Yes it may take some time. But I think Malcolm is, and will keep giving him all the chances he needs. At the moment he is the only one that has shown speeds capable of beating Loeb, second to Gronholm. For sure he's not currently a very good number two, but he was never meant to be number 2. It's not of his nature.

[jonas_mcrae]

wow 70 WRC starts for JML? that is A LOT!
Even if he won last year I think he should've be much more mnature by now.

[Woodeye]

pity for latvala....the ford team currently has a quitter and a car destroyer in its ranks...not a good lineup if they have any ambitions.

Good start for gronholm if he continues like that he will expose the true weakness of the subaru andit in;t the car

So Bosse is not too old now? And not a sick dog who get's beaten by Loeb all the time?

[Wim_Impreza]

These comments on Latvala will soon be stuck in your throat. He will be a Legend and a champion for sure. He simply has some issues to get through. Yes it may take some time. But I think Malcolm is, and will keep giving him all the chances he needs. At the moment he is the only one that has shown speeds capable of beating Loeb, second to Gronholm. For sure he's not currently a very good number two, but he was never meant to be number 2. It's not of his nature.

Are you drunken? After so much starts in WRC, this accidents may not happen almost every rally. Two years ago, I would say he is a WRC champion in the future, but now I have my doubts he will ever be a WRC champion.

[bluuford]

I think that it was Latvala,s 66th WRC start

41 rallies of them with WRC car in World Rally Championship

+12 rallies in WRC car outside World Rally Championship

He is not kid anymore

Yeah, I made a mistake .-) 71 rallies and 46 with WRC

[noel157]

These comments on Latvala will soon be stuck in your throat. He will be a Legend and a champion for sure. He simply has some issues to get through. Yes it may take some time. But I think Malcolm is, and will keep giving him all the chances he needs. At the moment he is the only one that has shown speeds capable of beating Loeb, second to Gronholm. For sure he's not currently a very good number two, but he was never meant to be number 2. It's not of his nature.

You could well be right but not this season and I imagine the pressure on Wilson to deliver results from his sponsors and from Ford must be enormous. Latvala needs benched for 2 or 3 events, he needs to sort out his head and get his confidence back. Stick PG or Marcus in the car until Latvala gets his problems and emotions sorted.

[Xsara Fan]

And the FUNNIEST thing is that today is JML BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!

[N.O.T]

So Bosse is not too old now? And not a sick dog who get's beaten by Loeb all the time?

well ...

i compared him to solberg not Loeb....

[Rallyper]

These comments on Latvala will soon be stuck in your throat. He will be a Legend and a champion for sure. He simply has some issues to get through. Yes it may take some time. But I think Malcolm is, and will keep giving him all the chances he needs. At the moment he is the only one that has shown speeds capable of beating Loeb, second to Gronholm. For sure he's not currently a very good number two, but he was never meant to be number 2. It's not of his nature.

Yeah, for sure you´re right about that. Because I don´t think MW would like him to be fast and in the future even consistent in another team. And I also think he´s gonna be a WC in a couple of years. :p

[MJW]

What is going on Petter's mind now?? Yes, the rally is still at it's early stage but still, Marcus has shown Subie can be pushed on podium pace with proper testrun....

Maybe the biggest lack at Prodrive was gap of communication last year?
Its a shame that Prodrive finally produced a rally car after drivers that have been loyal to them stuck with a pile of sh*t. The new S15 was always due for launch at Portugal, with the Ohlins, revised geometry and steering. So please can we keep this in perspective this car, allthough downplayed by Prodrive the car Marcus is driving is the long awaited proper S14, S14+ or even as I suspect S15, allthough officially that could not be homologated as SWRT had withdrawn.

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Bruno Magalhaes on SS4 ??? :confused:

[MJW]

This was the car Petter and Chris were due to have in the 2009 season, but not for the first 3 events. Revised car was always planned for Portugal, and you can bet that additional resources have been channeld into it. Prodrive have no manufacturer contract and want to show what they can acheive.

[N.O.T]

Its a shame that Prodrive finally produced a rally car after drivers that have been loyal to them stuck with a pile of sh*t. The new S15 was always due for launch at Portugal, with the Ohlins, revised geometry and steering. So please can we keep this in perspective this car, allthough downplayed by Prodrive the car Marcus is driving is the long awaited proper S14, S14+ or even as I suspect S15, allthough officially that could not be homologated as SWRT had withdrawn.

do you really believe this ???

[MJW]

Yes - and I can not tell you how........

[wwbroe]

Another great time for Nikara in his Mitsu, second time on this stage and now into third overall in PWRC. Doing great sofar. :)

[dukof]

Are you drunken? After so much starts in WRC, this accidents may not happen almost every rally. Two years ago, I would say he is a WRC champion in the future, but now I have my doubts he will ever be a WRC champion.

I think you're putting too much value in single events. Periods of consecutive retirements are quite normal, and some drivers just have this issue more than others. Like C.Mcrae. I think people are expecting consistency just a bit too early for him, simply because everyone can see he is very quick. I expect a lot of mess this year, but for 2010 I'm sure he will have many wins and will be the first year he has potential to take the championship. Of course, it's gonna be a bit hard, since Loeb and Hirvonen are so extremely consistent. They can win even without any 1st finishes. But event victories for sure he will get quite a few I think.

[tmx]

Stick PG or Marcus in the car until Latvala gets his problems and emotions sorted. PG crashed out today too.

[J4MIE]

I think you're putting too much value in single events. Periods of consecutive retirements are quite normal, and some drivers just have this issue more than others. Like C.Mcrae. I think people are expecting consistency just a bit too early for him, simply because everyone can see he is very quick. I expect a lot of mess this year, but for 2010 I'm sure he will have many wins and will be the first year he has potential to take the championship. Of course, it's gonna be a bit hard, since Loeb and Hirvonen are so extremely consistent. They can win even without any 1st finishes. But event victories for sure he will get quite a few I think.

But I must point out that he has been driving in the WRC now for six years which is a huge amount of time to get used to driving them.

He is a good driver but just can't deal with any pressure. Not what you would expect of a world champion in any sport.

[wwbroe]

PG crashed out today too.

In what event did he crash out today? :(

[muscrae]

Any photos from Sandell's crash?

[ShiftingGears]

Ford should think about getting someone like Atkinson in their lineup.

[tmx]

Whoops sorry I am mixing between Patrick Sandell and PG Anderson, sorry, I meant P. Sandell crash out. I get their names mix up.

[paddocknews]

Latvala's car went over the top of an armco barrier, and continued rolling for some distance - ending up 50 metres off the road. The Ford Focus came to rest against a tree, which prevented it from falling down an enormous drop.

The team reports that the car has been 'destroyed' and there is no chance that Latvala will be able to restart tomorrow.

[wwbroe]

Whoops sorry I am mixing between Patrick Sandell and PG Anderson, sorry, I meant P. Sandell crash out. I get their names mix up.

No problem, they are both Swedisch. ;)

[Rallyper]

This year JML will win the finnish event NORF. I´m sure about that. That will be the start for him of a new long period of consistency! And I´m serious!

:cool:

[jonas_mcrae]

This year JML will win the finnish event NORF. I´m sure about that. That will be the start for him of a new long period of consistency! And I´m serious!

:cool:

Perhaps this will be too late, Duval won Australia 2006 so what? look where he is now.

[bluuford]

some nice photos from shakedown (including Tarabus accident-not so nice:-():
http://www.motorsport.ee/?id=gallery&n=814

[muscrae]

JML says the future is a little bit open now.... I have some doubts... Malcolm indicates some driver turns may happen as it happened last year with Duval in Stobart.

[RS]

Some interesting words from JML:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74167

Lol.

The other problem with JML is that he hasn't been very fast this year either.

Gronholm is going well, but I won't read too much into that until we see times from repeated swept stages.

[DonJippo]

The other problem with JML is that he hasn't been very fast this year either.

Yes he has lead only two of the three rallies where he went off...

[bluuford]

These comments on Latvala will soon be stuck in your throat. He will be a Legend and a champion for sure. He simply has some issues to get through. Yes it may take some time. But I think Malcolm is, and will keep giving him all the chances he needs. At the moment he is the only one that has shown speeds capable of beating Loeb, second to Gronholm. For sure he's not currently a very good number two, but he was never meant to be number 2. It's not of his nature.

You are right! I was too angry at first (Ford was in my locked team in one game;-)). The reality is that he needs to stay in Stobbart for couple of events while someone does his work in Ford.

[KKS]

OMG Sordo have big problems at stage

[tolis]

Why can't I hear the radio??????

[jonkka]

Sordo is no longer fast

[René]

Why can't I hear the radio??????

Don't be worry it's the same for me too............ It's could be normal at this moment ;)

[René]

Sordo is no longer fast

Mybe He tries to pass behind Mikko to be positioned well tomorrow??

[Finni]

Loeb much slower than Hirvonen. It's my suspicion that Loeb is just trying to get away from sweeping role! And Sordo maybe also..

[DonJippo]

OMG Sordo have big problems at stage

I bet it's the same place 300m from the start of the stage where Loeb had problems this morning....

[RS]

Yes he has lead only two of the three rallies where he went off...

But he was disappointing in Norway and not great in Cyprus either.

[Finni]

Whether there something wrong with Loeb's car or he is sandbagging ;-) Wilson can't be that fast compared to Seb!!!

[jonas_mcrae]

nice time for Mikko, what went wrong with Sordo?

[Mauri A]

Loeb much slower than Hirvonen. It's my suspicion that Loeb is just trying to get away from sweeping role! And Sordo maybe also..
Are you serious?

[teufel]

Ogier doing pretty well! i mean this stage...

[Finni]

Nice, I am no more sure if there is anyone other pushing except Citroen junior team, Petter and Marcus.. (not comletely sure even Petter)

I hope Hirvonen and all drivers will play these tactics rigrously so everyone can see hoiw stupid this road-position rule is.

[Finni]

Are you serious?

Why wouldn't I? :)

Do you think Ogier is as fast as Seb?

[J.Lindstroem]

forget this post

[Mauri A]

Why wouldn't I? :)

Do you think Ogier is as fast as Seb?
Looks like he is.

[Finni]

Even Grönholm cannot be the messiah who puts Subaru on genuine top-level. Now Ogier is quite on Marcus' pace.

Now it's time to see difference between Östberg and Marcus because Östberg shouldn't have same technical problems anymore.

[Finni]

Looks like he is.

Mauri, come on! :D :D Common sense? Remember NZ last year or Turkey? Loeb played himself away from road sweeping.

[bluuford]

at the moment it is ideal position for Loeb. He is fourth, a few seconds behind Sordo and his main opponent sweeping tomorrow. But can you imagine Loeb not to be present in press conference tonight?

[Mauri A]

Mauri, come on! :D :D Common sense? Remember NZ last year or Turkey? Loeb played himself away from road sweeping.
Sorry, but can´t remember. In my age I remember better what happened in sixties and seventies!!

[teufel]

Mauri, come on! :D :D Common sense? Remember NZ last year or Turkey? Loeb played himself away from road sweeping.

Somehow i cannot remember tha last season... maybe it was so boring that i forgot it completely? ;)

[Mauri A]

at the moment it is ideal position for Loeb. He is fourth, a few seconds behind Sordo and his main opponent sweeping tomorrow. But can you imagine Loeb not to be present in press conference tonight?
Still two stages to go, anything can happen.

[Alvaro_Rally]

I don´t think Ogier is working that good... Wilson remains ahed and he is fighting against Novikov - don´t forget the Russian is discovering the car and the rallies-.

[muscrae]

Loeb fights back...

edit: :S

[DonJippo]

But he was disappointing in Norway .

In Norway he did exactly what is expected from him, being third and ahead of Sordo, one can hardly blame him of that.

[jonas_mcrae]

go Mikko!

[jonkka]

Cruise-mode on

[muscrae]

Sordo is doing well..!

[RS]

In Norway he did exactly what is expected from him, being third and ahead of Sordo, one can hardly blame him of that.

So you seriously expected him to be slower than Loeb in Norway did you?

[tolis]

Nikara out in SS5.....

[wwbroe]

What happened with Van Merksteyn, i mean the father, he is not in standings anymore after stage 5? :confused: :(

[wwbroe]

Nikara out in SS5.....

What is the reason of his retirement? :(

[wwbroe]

Denis Kuipers don't seem to be there anymore also, after stage 5, anybody have any news?

[René]

About Subaru do Marcus and Mads they drive exactly the same car ???

[wwbroe]

Last stage of today will be live soon, two minutes to start. Will there be any tactics on this one? I guess we will see some tactical moves. :(

[jonkka]

I guess we will see some tactical moves. :(

I think so too.

[wwbroe]

Denis Kuipers don't seem to be there anymore also, after stage 5, anybody have any news?

Owh, i have seen him now, i overlooked him on results, sorry for that. :)

[Mauri A]

I think so too.
So, who will guess right the starting order for tomorrow?

[jonkka]

Mikko is following Seb's times to perfection... :eek:

[jonkka]

So, who will guess right the starting order for tomorrow?

Pretty much the same as for today except JML out and Marcus higher.

[A.F.F.]

Hello again. Now it's my turn to have no prodcast on WRR? Is it working with you guys?

[tolis]

No AFF...

[Rallyper]

Hello again. Now it's my turn to have no prodcast on WRR? Is it working with you guys?

No the WRR does not work at present in Sweden. And not for the last stage.

BTW which TV-station does the live coverage of the last stage today :confused: ???

[A.F.F.]

Ok, cheers tolis11.

[A.F.F.]

BTW which TV-station does the live coverage of the last stage today :confused: ???


I don't think any of the tv-stations cover last stage live.

[jonkka]

Now we'll see what Mikko does

[jonkka]

No tactics!

[wwbroe]

It doesnt work here neither, i mean the WRR. :(

[Mauri A]

Now we'll see what Mikko does
Nothing!

[wwbroe]

Seb is 3.6 sec faster as Mikko, so overal he is just 18 sec behind.

[Mauri A]

Seb is 3.6 sec faster as Miko, so overal he is just 18 sec behind.
Who´s Miko?

[Mirek]

Prokop on warning lights, probably technical problems :(

[wwbroe]

]Prokop on warning lights, probably technical problems :(

That's another bad news for our friends in Czech Republic :(

[A.F.F.]

I'm glad Mikko didn't fall to make tactics. Against Loeb, every tenth of a second counts and he has tried to win by making tactics already. And that failed.

[Finni]

Mikko, Mikko!!! and Dani is just humble assistent of Seb. Loeb has perfect road position for tomorrow.

[r199]

16:45 Peter van Merksteijn is op 1 kilometer voor de finish eraf gegaan. de auto ligt op zijn wielen in een riviertje, 40 meter diep in een ravijn. Peter en Hans zijn ongedeerd en alweer onderweg naar de service.

My try to transelate

Peter van Merksteijn lost controle over the car at around 1 km for the end of the stage. The car is at his wheels in a small river, 40 meter down a clif. Driver and co are ok and going to the service area

i got this info from the site of Merksteijn
www.vm-motorsport.nl (http://www.vm-motorsport.nl)

[Finni]

I'm glad Mikko didn't fall to make tactics. Against Loeb, every tenth of a second counts and he has tried to win by making tactics already. And that failed.

Yes, in the rally where road-position hardly counts. But boys you will how Seb will sweep the floor with Mikko Lol

[pettersolberg29]

Another good stage for Petter.

[wwbroe]

16:45 Peter van Merksteijn is op 1 kilometer voor de finish eraf gegaan. de auto ligt op zijn wielen in een riviertje, 40 meter diep in een ravijn. Peter en Hans zijn ongedeerd en alweer onderweg naar de service.

My try to transelate

Peter van Merksteijn lost controle over the car at around 1 km for the end of the stage. The car is at his wheels in a small river, 40 meter down a clif. Driver and co are ok and going to the service area

i got this info from the site of Merksteijn
www.vm-motorsport.nl (http://www.vm-motorsport.nl)

Bedankt, i mean thank you. :)

[Mauri A]

Yes, in the rally where road-position hardly counts. But boys you will how Seb will sweep the floor with Mikko Lol

Remains to be seen!

[A.F.F.]

Yes, in the rally where road-position hardly counts. But boys you will how Seb will sweep the floor with Mikko Lol

Mikko has tried tactics against Loeb on every possible surface. This is what he hasn't tried. It's only three stages he has to sweep tomorrow. Maybe he'll back but is in good position again on sunday. Unless Loeb runs away by minutes.... which he might do.

[wwbroe]

What has happened with Al Attiyah, he is no longer in standings after stage 6 :( :confused:

[teufel]

I don't think that any tactic works against Loeb... you must have speed, simple as that ;)

[pettersolberg29]

Marcus slower than usual...

edit: probably had to overtake al-qassami

[Mauri A]

Marcus slower than usual...
Tactics?

[René]

Marcus want to move back Sordo for tomorrow ;)

[muscrae]

Another good stage for Petter.

Petter really deserves respect, he's done well today, hope he continues tomorrow.

[A.F.F.]

Marcus had to pass Qassimi on stage. Maybe it slowed him a bit.

[tolis]

Unfortunately many many retirements and problems in the rally.

[jonkka]

Marcus want to move back Sordo for tomorrow ;)

And even Loeb... tomorrow will be interesting...

[wwbroe]

So, no big surprises, and not much tactics, so the fight is on for tomorrow, alltough i think Loeb is in good position. ;)

[tolis]

Yep, I think that Loeb will lead after day 2...Hope not, though

[Rallyper]

I don't think any of the tv-stations cover last stage live.

I´ve missunderstood the english language, maybe... :o

[Mirek]

Bad time for Bosse on SS7. Does anyone know if he had some troubles?

[wwbroe]

]Bad time for Bosse on SS7. Does anyone know if he had some troubles?

Apperently he had to overtake Al Quassimi, so maybe he lost some time with that.

[pettersolberg29]

Going to be some nice battles tomorrow.

Loeb v. Sordo v. Mikko
Petter v. Marcus
Ogier v. Wilson
Novikov v. Henning

And the gaps between these groups are small so ANYONE CAN DROP DOWN OR CLIMB UP. SHOULd be a good day tomorrow!

[r199]

Al Quassimi whas drifing whit flashlights on probaly something broken

Peter v Merksteijn out whit broken front wheel and suspension

[Mirek]

Apperently he had to overtake Al Quassimi, so maybe he lost some time with that.

It doesn't look like that from the splits...

[Alvaro_Rally]

Marcus knows todays he was at the top due to his good start position. For him it is much better to lose 20 sec than to start first tomorrow.

Today he could have won the leg (very good for him for commercial reassons) but it seems he wants to win the rally!

[bluuford]

from splits you can see, that Bosse lost ca 2 s passing Qassimi

[Madeira]

]Bad time for Bosse on SS7. Does anyone know if he had some troubles?
He had some troubles on the suspension....

[bt52b]

WRR have some sort of tech' drama thats out of their control!
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=52849862108&ref=ts

[N.O.T]

well mikko doesn;t know how to drive to win a rally when he doesn;t have some good lines to follow...he should be happy if he is 3rd after day 2.

[Alvaro_Rally]

He had some troubles on the suspension....

... or maybe on his steering wheel...

... or even he remembered today it was his mother´s birthday....

... or...

[Finni]

... or maybe on his steering wheel...

... or even he remembered today it was his mother´s birthday....

... or...

Heh, bit if Marcus time was strategic I wonder why he lost 8 sec to Loeb instead of few. Bad calculation or real problem.

[bluuford]

I was watching Latvala crash from onboard. That was the accident of the century:
http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=11561

[wwbroe]

I was watching Latvala crash from onboard. That was the accident of the century:
http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=11561

Well, it seems like he kept on rolling, really lucky to escape unharmed i must say. :(

[Mauri A]

well mikko doesn;t know how to drive to win a rally when he doesn;t have some good lines to follow...he should be happy if he is 3rd after day 2.
Nice to see that the Master of kennel of sick dogs is back!

[bluuford]

Well. here is the reason for Loeb´s time loss: http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=11561 The video on the right and on the left you can see latvala´s crash from outside. it is even more scary!

[janvanvurpa]

About Subaru do Marcus and Mads they drive exactly the same car ???

That would be awfully crowded inside, n'cest pas?
And with their own co-drivers, that would a little much.
And I can imagine all the arguments: who sits in front, which co-driver to listen to..




Probably best if they each drive their own car.

[Lousada]

Well. here is the reason for Loeb´s time loss: http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=11561 The video on the right and on the left you can see latvala´s crash from outside. it is even more scary!

That crash is wild. He is lucky the edge was not a bit steeper or he would have been seriously injured.
I also love the viewpoint from the outside mirror. I almost saw a bit of car through the dust.

[N.O.T]

that is one scary crash right there.....

[J4MIE]

It won't let me see the video, can any Finns translate the message I get:

Mittaamme internetyhteytesi nopeuden, ole hyvä ja odota.

:confused:

(looks big from the picture though :s )

[Racing Ka]

Try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV3TIYZaJvE

[dimviii]

try this,has also in car camera.
i don t remember to have see more rolls than this.
surely must be a world record :D
http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/show.php?id=10860&title=latvala-se-musi-bat-o-misto-v-tymu

[playmo]

Thank God for the recent safety improvements on cars, a couple of years ago, the outcome might not have been the same....
One wonders how in the hell did Galli and Duval's co-driver (sorry i forgot his name) broke a leg, and now JM walks unharm (sort of), tha't thing is luck kid, and you better stuck to it....
Leaderboard-wise I think that Loeb is playing low-profile to avoid road sweeping.
I honestly didn't know that PG was competing on this event....

[René]

It won't let me see the video, can any Finns translate the message I get:

Mittaamme internetyhteytesi nopeuden, ole hyvä ja odota.

:confused:

(looks big from the picture though :s )

They explain that they measure the speed of Internet, and ask you to wait a little bit ;)

[DonJippo]

It won't let me see the video, can any Finns translate the message I get:

Mittaamme internetyhteytesi nopeuden, ole hyvä ja odota.

"We are measuring speed of your internet connection, please wait."

When you see a green box with text "Jatka" click it and there you go :)

[jonkka]

One wonders how in the hell did Galli and Duval's co-driver (sorry i forgot his name) broke a leg, and now JM walks unharm

Duval's co-driver injured co-driver was Patrick Pivato.

In those cases car was brought to halt within very small distance, all the kinetic energy was dissipated very quickly and creating much bigger damage. In this case, as in most long rolls, car sheds the energy for longer period of time and the most dangerous part is debris flying inside the cockpit, especially if windows get smashed.

[wwbroe]

Thank God for the recent safety improvements on cars, a couple of years ago, the outcome might not have been the same....
One wonders how in the hell did Galli and Duval's co-driver (sorry i forgot his name) broke a leg, and now JM walks unharm (sort of), tha't thing is luck kid, and you better stuck to it....
Leaderboard-wise I think that Loeb is playing low-profile to avoid road sweeping.
I honestly didn't know that PG was competing on this event....

PG wasn't competing in this event. :)

[chryby]

some pictures from first leg:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/med.php?g=502&au=0

[janvanvurpa]

"We are measuring speed of your internet connection, please wait."

When you see a green box with text "Jatka" click it and there you go :)

Satans språket!!! What's this message: ''Virheellinen kaistanleveys''

I checked my laundry, the stove is off, I get no green box ei jatka, ei mahorka,

[Xsara Fan]

My source from Ford team said: "It`s unofficial but JML is fired..."

[JFL]

My source from Ford team said: "It`s unofficial but JML is fired..."

If that is true, I'll guess he'll remember his 24th birthday forever....
Time will show...

[N.O.T]

not a smart move if true....

[pettersolberg29]

I honestly think JML is the only driver who has the pace to beat Loeb. Ford need to nurture him - be it in Stobart or Manu Ford.