2008 Rallye Deutschland - official thread

[ST205GT4]

Ah

[Tom206wrc]

Ouch Henning !!! :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

Good time from Gigi :cool:

[jonkka]

Matthew has some difficulties... well...

[User]

rofl WRR

"My computer stopped working, I have to kick it"

And the lady that parked infront of his car :d

[MikeD]

No splits either for the people at WRR. Not really impressive, since we write the year 2008!

[Tom206wrc]

Normally Dudu is the next one to come ;)

[User]

Duval second time.

[jonkka]

Anyone ever been in Abu Dhabi?

[Buzz Lightyear]

Matthew has some difficulties....

driving a car fast?

[User]

driving a car fast?

Give him another five years, maybe he'll be fast then.

[COD]

Where do you get results, wrc.com doesn't have anything from SS4?

[jonkka]

Where do you get results, wrc.com doesn't have anything from SS4?

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=821&filtr=

[sp0+]

Tommorow Dudu could be almost as fast as Seb is, but the difference tends to be unbeatable...

That's the price to pay when starting in the back of the pack and not competing in the whole championship though...

[MikeD]

Typical WRR. They get the splits back are they only give the times for Van Eldik and Al Crapsimi. A time for Duval would be nice?!?!?!?!?

[jonkka]

Mike, see: http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=821&filtr=

[ZequeArgentina]

Anyone ever been in Abu Dhabi?

Yep, I ve been there twice, what do you want to know?

[COD]

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=821&filtr=

Thanks,this modern world is strange. Official site has nothing while others do. Go figure

[jonkka]

Yep, I ve been there twice, what do you want to know?

Nothing, just curious as they are "capital destination" and official partner but do not feature very high on my holiday destinations list. Not that I wouldn't mind going there but... is it worth it? what's there to see? to do? to avoid?

[MikeD]

Nothing, just curious as they are "capital destination" and official partner but do not feature very high on my holiday destinations list. Not that I wouldn't mind going there but... is it worth it? what's there to see? to do? to avoid?

Thanks for the splits.

Regarding Abu Dhabi, then they will be the first to have a completely non-poluting city. Everything in the city will be solar power and wind mill power. It's not as spectacular as Dubai, but overall I am not keen on those two places. Too much "Nouvo Riche" and almost no history or cultur (IMHO).

[ZequeArgentina]

Nothing, just curious as they are "capital destination" and official partner but do not feature very high on my holiday destinations list. Not that I wouldn't mind going there but... is it worth it? what's there to see? to do? to avoid?

It is just one hour driv (or a little more) from Dubai. A long straigt highway throught the dessert, all sorrouended by incipient artificially irrigated planted trees (they say it could take decades or them to grow some centimeters).
Nice city (very hot both tiems I ve been there).
But nohing special.
Dubai is much worth, plenty af places, complexes, etc.

Anyway, I have been there in 2001 and 2003, prior to the over 100 dollars petrol price. They must have don plenty of thingswith a massive flow of money..................

[jonkka]

Anyway, I have been there in 2001 and 2003, prior to the over 100 dollars petrol price. They must have don plenty of thingswith a massive flow of money..................

Yeah, like http://www.burjdubai.com/ Pretty impressive, that one, I must say...

[sp0+]

Thanks for the splits.

Regarding Abu Dhabi, then they will be the first to have a completely non-poluting city. Everything in the city will be solar power and wind mill power. It's not as spectacular as Dubai, but overall I am not keen on those two places. Too much "Nouvo Riche" and almost no history or cultur (IMHO).


+1

[Helstar]

Are wrc.com people sleeping or what ? Too hot in summer ?

[John V]

Mike, see: http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=821&filtr=

Just I hope we will be able to receive something new via fax to be able publish it. I received info from Germany there is big problem with internet results overally there.

[ZequeArgentina]

Too much "Nouvo Riche" and almost no history or cultur (IMHO).

I completely agree, nothing to comapre to places with histoy and natural sceneries.
But it is a very interesting place to visit and see what is all about!

[Tom206wrc]

Mike, see: http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=821&filtr=



Stage frozen after the 20 first drivers ??? :mark:

[jonkka]

Just I hope we will be able to receive something new via fax to be able publish it. I received info from Germany there is big problem with internet results overally there.

Thumbs up John V and your crew, you're doing a great service to rally fans all over the world. Thank you!

[COD]

Just I hope we will be able to receive something new via fax to be able publish it. I received info from Germany there is big problem with internet results overally there.


So that is your secret, good old faxmachine. Go internet age :laugh:

[jonkka]

SS5 is on?

[jonkka]

And splits work again!

[N.O.T]

Ogier took 1 second off Prokops lead on this one...

[Helstar]

How kind, they have fixed the problems at my request :p

[MikeD]

I completely agree, nothing to comapre to places with histoy and natural sceneries.
But it is a very interesting place to visit and see what is all about!

True, but my favorite country in the world is actually your country. I absolutely LOVE Argentina. It's the most fantastic and friendly people in the world and I spend christmas and new years (in Punta del Este in Uruguay) in BA. After that we were 3 friends in an open jeep driving from BA over the pampas to Mendoza (on a wine tour), San Juan, Los Alamos and then up to Aconcagua. Then back to BA via Cordoba and Rosario.

Was sooooo close to buying an apartment in BA :D Still considering it...

Anyway ... this is off topic :D

[jonkka]

True, but my favorite country in the world is actually your country. I absolutely LOVE Argentina.

That is a country I would like to visit one day too. It's just a pretty long flight from here and there are so many other places (nearer)...

[jonkka]

And splits work again!

Except that not, again... :(

[Tom206wrc]

Split times SS5 frozen too ??? :mad:

[jonkka]

How fast is that from Mikko?!? 0.1 off from Loeb... :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

Atko time ???? :confused:

[N.O.T]

Very nice pace by mikko....Sordo is losing loads on this one....

[MikeD]

That is a country I would like to visit one day too. It's just a pretty long flight from here and there are so many other places (nearer)...

I think I will see the rally there next time I go to ARG. But you are right. I flew 3 hours from Copenhagen to Madrid. Then waited 5 hours to get on board the flight to BA. And then a 13 hour flight, which is a true killer. Then of course Iberia forgot to get my suitcase on the flight, so I had to go to Abasto in BA for 4 days to buy clothes.

And stay away from the River-Boca soccer game. That's just crazy. Enjoy one of the fantastic steaks in stread. There are some really good places in Bario de Palermo (district in BA).

[Mauri A]

That is a country I would like to visit one day too. It's just a pretty long flight from here and there are so many other places (nearer)...
I made it last year. Fantastic experience, especially because of following the rally with ZequeArgentina and Juan. Fly there and forget the nearer places!

[jonkka]

It seems that Argentina has several friends here in forum. Makes me want to visit the country myself!

[Tom206wrc]

Nobody noticed the absence of Atko on SS5 ??? :confused:


Edit: Atko is there(lost 18s)...

[White Sauron]

It seems that Argentina has several friends here in forum. Makes me want to visit the country myself!

...following 37th latitude... my dream.

[Buzz Lightyear]

i expect crisis meetings at subaru. this is not good.

[jonkka]

...following 37th latitude... my dream.

As we are on topic of traveling, how would you say about safety of visiting Russia? Would I dare?

[Helstar]

Also Gigi losing lot of times in second split ... and disappeared :\

[jonkka]

i expect crisis meetings at subaru. this is not good.

I truly expected much more from them...

[User]

Galli went off?

[jonkka]

Galli stopped... ou nou...

[White Sauron]

As we are on topic of traveling, how would you say about safety of visiting Russia? Would I dare?

Under my protection - of course! Especially now as we have 2 world-level rallies:
1. an IRC round close to the historical and cultural capital of Russia (Pietari)
2. a WRC candidate event in the Black Sea resort city of Novorossiysk.

So, coming to venajan rallies you can enjoy both sightseeing and relaxing ;)

And actually yes, north-western and central parts of Russia are quite safe for travelling. But going over the Urals... I wouldn't advice.

[Xsara Fan]

As we are on topic of traveling, how would you say about safety of visiting Russia? Would I dare?

It`s nothing to worry about! White bears on streets, drunk guys with balalaika`s... :) ))))))))))))))))

[User]

Looks serious with Galli

[Buzz Lightyear]

getting a bad feeling about galli accident...

[Tom206wrc]

Gigi ??? :confused:

[John V]

It`s nothing to worry about! White bears on streets, drunk guys with balalaika`s... :) ))))))))))))))))

Only one think you should dare - too much of Vodka. I can reccommend Russian Standard. Ask Tommi Makinen, how his memories of Ladoga rally :)

[jonkka]

Looks serious with Galli

Is it bad? Hope not, fingers crossed...

[noel157]

Gigi ??? :confused:

6th gear + tree? Hope all is ok with crew.

[User]

Looks like everyone loses some time after the section where Gigi went off.

[Luckin]

Is it bad? Hope not, fingers crossed...

Both Wilson and Rautenbach said the place where Galli went off was very fast with trees on side of the road. And Rally Radio has just interrupted their stage end interviews for no apparent reason. Hope they are both OK.

[Luckin]

Luckily they are both OK, according to Rally Radio. Ambulance is there, stage is stopped.

[jonkka]

Both crew members are ok... big relief... I felt a bad for a moment...

[ZequeArgentina]

True, but my favorite country in the world is actually your country. I absolutely LOVE Argentina. It's the most fantastic and friendly people in the world and I spend christmas and new years (in Punta del Este in Uruguay) in BA. After that we were 3 friends in an open jeep driving from BA over the pampas to Mendoza (on a wine tour), San Juan, Los Alamos and then up to Aconcagua. Then back to BA via Cordoba and Rosario.

Was sooooo close to buying an apartment in BA :D Still considering it...

Anyway ... this is off topic :D

Thanks, I really find grat places in Argentina, mainly scenery, and people,not that manu abot history (in that sense Europe, or East Asia in uncomparable).

Back to the rally, pitty about Galli´s crash, nice speed form Hirvonen.
Anxiously waiting for Duval!

[Tom206wrc]

Glad Gigi and his codriver are OK :)

[John V]

Just received call from Martin Holmes, Galli's crash confirmed, Giovanni without injury, Gigi still inside the car, but no major injury. Stage stopped.

[Mauri A]

Just received call from Martin Holmes, Galli's crash confirmed, Giovanni without injury, Gigi still inside the car, but no major injury. Stage stopped.
Good news, but is Gigi trapped somehow in the car?
BTW, tell Martin big hello from me.

[Tom206wrc]

Meanwhile, SS6 is running...

[jonkka]

Atko loses half a minute

[N.O.T]

problerms for atko...

[playmo]

The event is so thrilling that you guys are talking 'bout traveling... it's funny, don't get me wrong, you should consider coming to Mexico too, hey and the corona rally is not that bad!. I would defenetely love to go to rally argentina and eat 'bife'; but top on my list would be rally finland :=):

On this rally: Impressive pace by mikko, i counted him off and i was so wrong! hope he can keep on the fight with dani.

[N.O.T]

ss05 stopped....

[Brother John]

Originally Posted by A.F.F. http://paradise.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/aria/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://paradise.motorsportforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=517298#post517298)

This rally has a great chance on turning a boring one....


I don´t think so Jaani. Something will happen this afternoon.
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I feared already longer that there will happen something this year.
I hope it is not serious with Galli.
The current WRC cars become always faster. They become simply dangerous. Why firstly something serious must happen before the F.I.A. take decisions. :dozey:

[jonkka]

The event is so thrilling that you guys are talking 'bout traveling...

Excuse if I get sentimental but I think it speaks a lot of us as a family, visiting and wanting to visit each others' countries, hospitality offered by local hosts and so on. Doesn't happen (seemingly at least) that often in F1.

Mexico is another place that is interesting but equally deterring, having heard of the road banditry and such.


but top on my list would be rally finland :=):

Living here kinda takes the sharpest edge out of it though it always is a thriller due to great atmosphere. This year there wasn't that big competition, just two drivers out to win it but good rally anyway.

[jonkka]

The current WRC cars become always faster. They become simply dangerous. Why firstly something serious must happen before the F.I.A. take decisions. :dozey:

I think that Park's fatal accident really shook things up, since then we've had HANS and recently the increased kinetic energy dissipators on the seats, in most cars the driver and co-driver also sit closer together than before, helmets have gotten bigger and there is the talk about shock-absorbing door elements (those haven't yet been taken into use, have they?) so steps in safety have been taken.

Having said that, I do share your concern. There simply must not be any more fatalities, competitors or spectators.

[N.O.T]

ss05 is cancelled aparently....

[Berzs]

ss05 is cancelled aparently....
Looks like SS06 is cancelled too...

[Mauri A]

What is happening on SS6? Have you seen the splits?

[N.O.T]

too many specators in ss06 the stage is cancelled as well...

[sp0+]

Rallying has been, is, and there will always be a dangerous sport no matter how high the safety measures will be set by FIA...This is something that we should always bare in mind....

[jonkka]

as well SS6 too

[jonkka]

well, thank you fellow forumers, I'll call it a day and see you tomorrow morning again.

[Brother John]

I think that Park's fatal accident really shook things up, since then we've had HANS and recently the increased kinetic energy dissipators on the seats, in most cars the driver and co-driver also sit closer together than before, helmets have gotten bigger and there is the talk about shock-absorbing door elements (those haven't yet been taken into use, have they?) so steps in safety have been taken.

Having said that, I do share your concern. There simply must not be any more fatalities, competitors or spectators.

I heard in Finland from Loeb and Hirvonen that at several places they were much faster than in 2007. That makes me frightened. :(

[MikeD]

Well done by Mikko today.

It will indeed be interesting tomorrow. If Loeb faces problems he could win this rally.

See ya' tomorrow.

[Mauri A]

too many specators in ss06 the stage is cancelled as well...
That could not happen in Germany (DDR) in the 60s. I remember one rally there with those soldiers with machine guns every 50 meters. The guns were loaded! No problem with spectators.

[playmo]

... having heard of the road banditry and such....
I would say it's similar to what White Sauron has said about Russia, there are parts in Mexico that it's dangerous to wander around (and they are not tourist apealing either), and it's not due to banditry ir such; but then againt the safety on tourist sites its great now but i understand that its quite a long trip from anywhere to here.

it's a bad end to this day1, but then again it hasn't been such an exciting event, pitty that Duval is denied of setting good times on these last 2 stages.
Hope he can fight alongside mikko and dani.

[crazy]

From what I understand SS06 cancelled drivers cruising through hence the times.

[Tom206wrc]

So seeing gaps after today, tomorrow will be a great day... ;)

[Corny]

Well, 20 seconds is nothing.. The people that have seen the Baumholder stages (Panzerplatte) in wet with their own eyes, will agree on me

But that's only if it rains ;)

[John V]

Just received info about Galli - broken left leg femur.

[animrallye]

Exact, broken thigh bone for Gigi.
:(

[tmx]

Duval may possibly catch up with both Dani and Mikko tomorrow, I hope.

You can criticize them on other things, but to me on the safety side the FiA have done well to introduce safety features for the driver inside the car. But too bad for Gigi, it's less fun without him.

[paddocknews]

The doctors have said it will be five months before he is ready to compete again. It's a great shame for Gigi. :(
If Galli's recovery does take the full five months, he won't drive again until next February's 2009 World Rally Championship opener, Rally Ireland.

[N.O.T]

Femur injuries are the worst of all broken bones ones...if its true i cannot see galli competing at the higher level again,many athletes careers ended after such injuries. hope its not that bad for Gigi.

[ste898]

Totallt gutTed for Gigi......he brought some excitement to a totally boring WRC!!!

[Josti]

The doctors have said it will be five months before he is ready to compete again. It's a great shame for Gigi. :(
If Galli's recovery does take the full five months, he won't drive again until next February's 2009 World Rally Championship opener, Rally Ireland.

Too bad for Gigi, I wish him the best of luck in his recovery.

Now that there´s an "open space" in the Stobart team. Is it possible for Duval to replace him for the remaining season? Probably depending on sponsor money I guess.

[pejda]

Have you seen the onboard video from the crash? The impact was really huge :eek:

http://nettitv.mtv3.fi/maksuttomat/index.shtml/maksuttomat/ralli/ralli?140511#140511

[Tom206wrc]

Sadness for Gigi :(

[cut the b.s.]

Hope Gigi recovers well, huge impact, lucky to be recovering, not many years ago it could have been fatal

[A.F.F.]

Originally Posted by A.F.F. http://paradise.motorsportforum.com/forums/images/aria/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://paradise.motorsportforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=517298#post517298)

This rally has a great chance on turning a boring one....


I don´t think so Jaani. Something will happen this afternoon.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I feared already longer that there will happen something this year.
I hope it is not serious with Galli.
The current WRC cars become always faster. They become simply dangerous. Why firstly something serious must happen before the F.I.A. take decisions. :dozey:

Yep, you were right BJ. But never ever I want action in form of accidents :(

[J4MIE]

That's not a pleasant video to watch, that is a hell of an impact :( Hope Gigi gets better soon but his year is over :(

[Simmi]

Huge hit for Gigi. It just shows that in places this rally really can bite. It reminded me somewhat of Schwarz's crash in 03 into the trees on a similar right hander, but Gigi was airbourne in this one.

It looked like a stone had been dug up due to cutting to the corner throughout the previous run. It didn't look to me like Gigi was cutting excessively it was just an unfortunate accident.

I'm sure Gigi will be fine to get back in the car again eventually, he just maybe wont be able to apply as much force to the brake pedal - which could be an advantage!

[duff]

wow, really sorry for Gigi. Lets all hope for a fast recovery.
It was a huge impact, I think its testimate to the improved safety of the cars nowadays. In the past I think it could have turned out much worse...

[N.O.T]

Huge crash indeed....thank god that tree gave way....

[bluuford]

Weather update:
My model was right today:-) There was no rain.
For tomorrow, there is very, very tiny chance of rain between 14:00 and 17:00 but the possibility is as small as the possibility that Loeb gets 1:30 min penalty because he slept in and could not reach to car in the right time :-) For Sunday, it looks that there wont be any rain before the end of rally :-) It looks like it could be rally Germany without any rain:-)
PS! There is no chance for overnight rain as well

[playmo]

Damn shame for Gigi, we'll miss him for the rest of the season, but great that he didn't got killed! i whish him promptly recovery, and hope that when he's ok to get on the car, he actually has one to get on.

[koko0703]

I hope Gigi will recover and return to the stages as soon as possible.

[c4]

Assume "Monster" hasn't been sighted this weekend as looks like he's going to be leaving in the next few days:
http://rallybuzz.stagetimes.com/adac-rally-deutschland-2008-day-1-loeb-leads/

[ShiftingGears]

:eek:

I hope he recovers soon.

[ShiftingGears]

And once again, Subaru have failed to design a competitive car.

[tmx]

i don't know about that, but i disagree it is completely not competitive. ofcourse it wasn't as good as they said that "it was very positive for tarmac testing". there is a good sign of speed, but they complained of picking wrong tires, what subaru are known for. i expect improvement of speed on second day.

[N.O.T]

An exciting day awaits....can Hirovnen keep Duval and Sordo behind and avoid mistakes at the same time ??

[jonkka]

Morning everyone, who's awake with me?

[A.F.F.]

I am. But I'm leaving to Tampere.

[J.Lindstroem]

Hirvonen looses 7 seconds to Loeb in this stage, think all the excitement some people hoped for is gone now!

[A.F.F.]

Hirvonen looses 7 seconds to Loeb in this stage, think all the excitement some people hoped for is gone now!

I think the script for this rally according to excitement is can Mikko keep Sordo and Duval behind him.

[jonkka]

He couldn't so it's "can he get back to 2nd"?

[John V]

Morning everyone, who's awake with me?
We too, today in full strenght again, as you can see on vysledky site :)

[N.O.T]

Big attack from the citroen guys...Hirvonen loses his 2nd.

[jparker]

Aava +27 sec at split 2

[N.O.T]

LATVALA J.-M. / ANTTILA M. "It was hard start. Not able to catch the right rhythm. We made many changes on setup yesterday, it was like recce now."




DUVAL F. / CHEVAILLIER E. " / "We had small moment in one corner, bit faster. Otherwise OK." http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/img/i.gif









HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. "I pushed hard, but Seb probably had different tyres. It was very slippery. I have to keep rhythm."




LOEB S. / ELENA D. "Mikko lost something on one split, I don't know. It was difficult stage, new, in opposite direction. Very narrow and difficult."

[A.F.F.]

Mikko probably will loose on every stage of the first loop this day. Hopefully he'll gain time back on the second loop, like yesterday.

[Tom206wrc]

Why is Chevallier codriving Dudu ??? I thought it was Pivato... :confused:

[N.O.T]

Sordo attacks once more...he might create a safe lead from Hirvonen after this loop of stages.

[A.F.F.]

Sordo attacks once more...he might create a safe lead from Hirvonen after this loop of stages.

Exactly. Mikko has to get his act together before it's too late. If he looses that much in all of the first loop stages, the gap will be too big for the afternoon :mark:

[jonkka]

Why is Chevallier codriving Dudu ??? I thought it was Pivato... :confused:

Entry list says Pivato... ?!?

[jonkka]

Also, Stobart press release says Pivato:
http://www.stobartmotorsport.com/wrc_news.asp?NewsID=597

[N.O.T]

According to duval the plan is not to catch Mikko.....nice one Mr Wilson.

[N.O.T]

DUVAL F. / CHEVAILLIER E."It's much better than yesterday. Car is easier to drive."

SORDO D. / MARTÍ M. ("I have more confidence with car. You can see it on times against Hirvonen. It is my car today."

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. "I have no rhythm, loosing bit on every junction. I have not enough confidence, pushing hard for while, then made some mistake."

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "Good that Dani is faster than Mikko. But still long way to finish. We have bit understeering car. Lot of narrow junctions and some gravel."

[N.O.T]

Ogier demolished Prokop on the previous stage...he is now just 1 sec behind him overall.

[Daniel]

They should call this the Sebastien Loeb WRC event. The guy owns the rally. I wonder what all the guys who were predicting a Duval-Loeb fight are now? :D

[Tom206wrc]

Incredible the fight between the Suzuki boys :eek:

Gardemeister and Andersson change "lead" position each time :D

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Kris Meeke on SS7 ??? :confused:

[rus]

They should call this the Sebastien Loeb WRC event. The guy owns the rally. I wonder what all the guys who were predicting a Duval-Loeb fight are now? :D

If you're a little bit sensible you know that Duval can't be ready for a real fight. Maybe he'll have more rhytm in Spain and Corse. But anyway, compared to others, he's doing a fine job in my opinion

[A.F.F.]

Is Mikko getting into rhythm ?? First split is positive comparing to Loeb.

[matSLO]

Where's Kris Meeke on SS7 ??? :confused:
He set stunning time compare to Ogier or even Prokop. Now he is 17s ahead overall.

[jonkka]

Is Mikko getting into rhythm ?? First split is positive comparing to Loeb.

But 2nd and 3rd... :eek:

[malscar]

Is Mikko getting into rhythm ?? First split is positive comparing to Loeb.

Ummm, unfortunately no.

[Buzz Lightyear]

Where's Kris Meeke on SS7 ??? :confused: he is that high up the leader board you have missed him... that is some time from Meeke!! unbelievable. and that a new stage for all drivers... awesome.

[N.O.T]

Amazing time by meeke on the first stage..11 secs faster than 2nd Ogier, He takes the lead......

[N.O.T]

Ogier also ahead of prokop after stage 8....But Meeke is going to be hard for him.

[jonkka]

Latvala loses one and a half minute

[pucky54]

JML lost nearly 2 mins at SS9

[Tom206wrc]

Atkinson SS9 ??? :confused:



Edit: alright he's there... ;)

I thought he started before Latvala :mark:

[malscar]

Atkinson SS9 ??? :confused:

I don't think it is Atko so much as either the car or possibly even the starting position (ie rocks etc being pulled onto the road). He is only 1.7 seconds off Petter.

Ahh, you edited while I was typing, I thought you were querying his time. Sorry

[pucky54]

PG on SS9?

[Tom206wrc]

Andersson missing :mark:

[pucky54]

I got it, he damaged the car at the end of SS8

[Koppomsbo]

Andersson missing :mark:

According to his website he damaged a wheel on ss8, and had some problems changing to a new one beacause the wheel nuts where broken and stuck :(


Edit : He will start ss9 but late.

[jonkka]

P-G damaged suspension on SS8 and is likely out:
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=2268&desc=SS8%20-%20Andersson%20in%20trouble

[MikeD]

Van Merksteijn Jr. still impresses me. If he had started with priority 2 he could perhaps have been closer to Rautenbach and Wilslow.

[Berzs]

P-G damaged suspension on SS8 and is likely out:
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=2268&desc=SS8%20-%20Andersson%20in%20trouble
PG finished SS09 +1:35.7 off Loeb.

[pucky54]

PG already through SS9, lets see what he can do at remote

[JAMESWRC]

Hi everyone, long time no post for me on here.

Watching the times come in, does anyone know why Latvala dropped so much time?

[pucky54]

Latvala went off

[Brother John]

Van Merksteijn Jr. still impresses me. If he had started with priority 2 he could perhaps have been closer to Rautenbach and Wilslow.

Yes i agree and he impresses me also. :up:

[Berzs]

Hi everyone, long time no post for me on here.

Watching the times come in, does anyone know why Latvalla dropped so much time?
Left rear tyre off rim "I was too fast in one chicane and went off. We had slight roll."

[JAMESWRC]

Latvala went off

any damage? Thanx for reply.

[pucky54]

slightly damaged car

[pucky54]

Prokop is missing :(

[Koppomsbo]

PG already through SS9, lets see what he can do at remote

He doesnt think they are going to have time to repair the car completly at remote... "its going to be a long day" he says

[Corny]

Left rear tyre off rim "I was too fast in one chicane and went off. We had slight roll."

He is getting a clear joke, Malcolm should not have hired him already this year

[Berzs]

Looks tough for PG.. If the reported driveshaft damage is true and they won't be able to change it in time at remote service, PG will have his SX4 as a FWD car until end of the day...

[Tom206wrc]

Prokop SS9 ??? :confused:

[pucky54]

I don't think they have a driveshaft on board

[Berzs]

I don't think they have a driveshaft on board
Who knows :) I made a long-shot.. :D

[Berzs]

Yes i agree and he impresses me also. :up:
unfortunately v Merksteijn Jr. has +3 minutes at the second split of SS09... :rolleyes:

[Xsara Fan]

For the moment JML can be named as 'Rautenbach of the year'...

[N.O.T]

Meeke is doing another fantastic rally germany.....

[relista]

where's Meeke?

[Langdale Forest]

Meeke is in 18th.

[N.O.T]

PROKOP M. / TOMÁNEK J. Stopped on stage, broken alternator. Going SupeRally tomorrow.

[John V]

Prokop SS9 ??? :confused:
Team reported broken alternator.

[User]

They should call this the Sebastien Loeb WRC event. The guy owns the rally. I wonder what all the guys who were predicting a Duval-Loeb fight are now? :D

Last year, when Duval hadn't driven for 8 months, he was able to challenge Loeb. So why couldn't he possible repeat the same this year?

But it turns out that or the Citroen is the best rally car ever, or Duval needs more time to know the Ford.

[Langdale Forest]

Duval drove a Ford in Monte Carlo.

[ttiirika]

For the moment JML can be named as 'Rautenbach of the year'...

Hey come on now!! Victory in Sweden and fifth in championship at the moment. Don't you think you look too narrow now? There is more in world championship rallying than just the last stage.

[Wim_Impreza]

He is getting a clear joke, Malcolm should not have hired him already this year

I said last year that it is too early to put Latvala in a factory seat and that is was much better to drive another year in a Stobart Focus. There were a lot of criticasters on me, but I had the right opinion.

[Wim_Impreza]

PROKOP M. / TOMÁNEK J. Stopped on stage, broken alternator. Going SupeRally tomorrow.

He is so unlucky this year. :( Just as all the Czech competitors in WRC this year :( Maybe he must pass by Loeb and ask some of his luck.

[Tom206wrc]

Looks like Citroën and Loeb could well be in lead of championships after this rally :confused:

[ttiirika]

I said last year that it is too early to put Latvala in a factory seat and that is was much better to drive another year in a Stobart Focus. There were a lot of criticasters on me, but I had the right opinion.

And who should there be then? Again: victory in Sweden and fifth on championship.

[Xsara Fan]

Hey come on now!! Victory in Sweden and fifth in championship at the moment. Don't you think you look too narrow now? There is more in world championship rallying than just the last stage.

Remember 2005 when Duval has win in Australia and all people said: "Dudu is bad driver cause he crashed at every rally"? At the end he was at 6 position.

And now tell me how many times this year JML has crashed his Focus?

[Tom206wrc]

He is so unlucky this year. :( Just as all the Czech competitors in WRC this year :(



Czech drivers will have their revenge at Barum Zlin next week... ;)

[Brother John]

Hey come on now!! Victory in Sweden and fifth in championship at the moment. Don't you think you look too narrow now? There is more in world championship rallying than just the last stage.

That is typically responses of French people. :dozey:

[pucky54]

Czech drivers will have their revenge at Barum Zlin next week... ;)

hopefully....someone stopps the Fabia S2000 times? ;)

[N.O.T]

The big one has started....

[N.O.T]

This one is a very important stage for Hirvonen....i think 2nd is lost if nothing happens to Sordo but if duval is under no orders (unlikely) he could be in danger

[Wim_Impreza]

Remember 2005 when Duval has win in Australia and all people said: "Dudu is bad driver cause he crashed at every rally"? At the end he was at 6 position.

And now tell me how many times this year JML has crashed his Focus?

The level in 2005 was a lot higher than this year, more factory teams and there were more top drivers. Sorry to say, but even Atkinson in a slow Subaru stays before him in the championship... I think everyone expected a win for Jari-Matti this year. Even Duval crashed not so much in 2005 as Latvala this year.

[N.O.T]

Good times by Hirvonen once again.

[jonkka]

Mikko slightly faster than Sordo

[Langdale Forest]

Dissapointing splits for Duval.

[N.O.T]

Duval dissapointing so far...

[N.O.T]

Sordo faster once more than Hirvonen in split 3

[ttiirika]

The level in 2005 was a lot higher than this year, more factory teams and there were more top drivers. Sorry to say, but even Atkinson in a slow Subaru stays before him in the championship... I think everyone expected a win for Jari-Matti this year.

I think that JML will be the champion in the future. And it is clever from Ford not to let him go to some other team. This year has been quite bad, I think so too. But you should always look wider than one stage or one rally.

[N.O.T]

Duval way off the pace....

[Xsara Fan]

Duval dissapointing so far...

I think it`s team orders. He isn`t quick enough to catch Loeb and Malcolm Wilson stopped him. Dudu will be second in 'Mikko/Francois' pair.

[N.O.T]

yes...unfortunatelly Mr Wilson is interfering again with a another team... :( :( disgraceful but thats typical of the ford scared dogs.

Sordo is stepping up his pace.

[Wim_Impreza]

And who should there be then?

Toni Gardemeister is not so fast as Latvala, but he has much more experience and he is not a crasher.

[N.O.T]

Looks like Loeb is backing off and Sordo takes full advantage of it...the battle for 2nd could be well over after this one.

[N.O.T]

Peter solberg is doing a great job so far in this stage....

[Wim_Impreza]

I think that JML will be the champion in the future. And it is clever from Ford not to let him go to some other team. This year has been quite bad, I think so too. But you should always look wider than one stage or one rally.

I thought last year too that JML will be a future champion, but now I have my doubts. When Loeb retires from WRC, there is still Hirvonen, Sordo, probably Atkinson. Sébastien Ogier, Andreas Mikkelsen and Per-Gunnar Andersson have more experience than too.

[jonkka]

JML losing time again

[ste898]

yes...unfortunatelly Mr Wilson is interfering again with a another team... :( :( disgraceful but thats typical of the ford scared dogs.

Sordo is stepping up his pace.

N.O.T how come every post you put on here is utter rubbish!!!!!!

Stobarts IS A FORD TEAM!!!!!

[crazy]

JML losing time againLet me guess rear tires destroyed.

[N.O.T]

N.O.T how come every post you put on here is utter rubbish!!!!!!

I really don't know...but i do try hard to keep the standard.....

[John V]

hopefully....someone stopps the Fabia S2000 times? ;)
We had discussion about it this Thursday, it's depends if Skoda allows publish it, but I'm almost one hundred per cent sure they will not ... as usually. :mad:

[Tom206wrc]

Panzerplatte was a HAMMER on the head of Citroën's contender !!! :s

[N.O.T]

LATVALA J.-M. / ANTTILA M. "I missed one junction, went straight and had to revers. It's everything on me, I lost rhythm."

SOLBERG P. / MILLS P. "Not bad, but we had an big bump. It was incredible. Otherwise no problem. Think hard compound was good choice."

DUVAL F. / CHEVAILLIER E. "I'm driving after very long time in these conditions. Road is completelly destroyed."

SORDO D. / MARTÍ M. (st. č. 2) "I'm happy, very good time. Our target is to keep Hirvonen behind."

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. (Rear left tyre completelly worn."Car was very understeering, I don't know how the tyres seems. I can't do more."

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "I had clean run, pushing from the start. In the middle of stage I took no risk, tried to keep good pace."

[Tom206wrc]

Let's see what the second loop of the leg can bring now... ;)

[Buzz Lightyear]

ogier out?! no splits

[John V]

ogier out?! no splits
finished, time ok

[Brother John]

Don´t blame the drivers on SS10. Blame Ford! :confused:
Ford has gambled heavily for Panzerplatte, but also heavily lost.
Ford took the decision to drive with soft tyres on the long test, more than 30 km on harsh asphalt. Wrong decision from Malcolm Wilson. :o The tyres on the Focus of Hirvonen had completely worn out.

[kleisj]

Hi all,

I wish a fast recovery to Gigi. What happened at his accident? Co driver ok?

Everything else looks quite normal in Germany.
Loeb was and remains the absolute favorite for the win, Sordo needs to justify his position in Citroen, Hirvo is just picking as much points the Citroen guys allow him and Dudu good showing, I don't think would do any better since too much time out of a works seat, would be great to keep a top 4 spot.

[Camelopard]

I really don't know...but i do try hard to keep the standard.....

Well you do very very well.......

[J.Lindstroem]

And who should there be then?

Juuso Pykalisto!!!

[Viking]

What tires are Meeke using, jwrc Pirelli? or "last years" BFG?

[noel157]

What tires are Meeke using, jwrc Pirelli? or "last years" BFG?

He was offered BFG for free but decided to buy Pirelli, same as Junior runners.

[Buzz Lightyear]

He was offered BFG for free but decided to buy Pirelli, same as Junior runners.

seriously? clever, but expensive move!

he is star of the show for me this morning. Showing good maturity getting car setup sorted, then blitzing them this morning.

[Daniel]

N.O.T how come every post you put on here is utter rubbish!!!!!!

Stobarts IS A FORD TEAM!!!!!

Stobart is an M2 team. Stobart is supposed to be independant of the Ford manufacturer team.

You really need to let everyone know why you're such a biased Ford fan who hates the French so much.

Are you Matty's mum? Because Matty's mum is the only person other than Malcolm himself who would blindly support him and Ford when Citroen and Loeb are clearly superior in every way.

[Mirek]

I was told that Prokop/Tománek will not restart under superally as they are frustrated from another retirement in fighting for victory... Everything is wrong this season :(

[Woodeye]

Great that Gigi is on fairly good shape when looking at the circumstances.

Interesting question for the rest of the season is that who will replace him? (hopefully not Duval since he is not showing anything spectacular now)

[Daniel]

Great that Gigi is on fairly good shape when looking at the circumstances.

Interesting question for the rest of the season is that who will replace him? (hopefully not Duval since he is not showing anything spectacular now)
What a horrible accident. Just saw it on Youtube. Glad it's just his leg that's hurt. Hope he gets better soon.

[Daniel]

SOLBERG P. / MILLS P. "Not bad, but we had an big bump. It was incredible."

Something to look forward to in the coverage tonight :D

[c4]

Great that Gigi is on fairly good shape when looking at the circumstances.

Interesting question for the rest of the season is that who will replace him? (hopefully not Duval since he is not showing anything spectacular now)

Wilson, Duval and Clark would be the possible candidates for the rest of the season. Wilson is already a Stobart nominated driver for NZ, so one of the other two will be most likely, I reckon it will be Duval for NZ but who knows.

[Tomi]

Wilson, Duval and Clark would be the possible candidates for the rest of the season. Wilson is already a Stobart nominated driver for NZ, so one of the other two will be most likely, I reckon it will be Duval for NZ but who knows.

never heard about any clark, can he drive?

[Viking]

Wilson, Duval and Clark would be the possible candidates for the rest of the season. Wilson is already a Stobart nominated driver for NZ, so one of the other two will be most likely, I reckon it will be Duval for NZ but who knows.

Henning Solberg will drive for the Munchi’s team’s in New Zealand, Spain and Japan. In the others my guess is Henning and Wilson, maybe Mikkelsen will get an offer for NZ and Japan?

[Finni]

never heard about any clark, can he drive?

No. But it's not obvious any standard of having Ford seat.
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Contrary what few people said there is no evidence about team-orders in Ford. I would be rather surprised if they would execute team-order at so early point. Team-orders are possible but they are scarcely executed in the way that puts Duval's overall performance to look bad. Also Duval's interview had no hints to that direction.

At that point it seems that Dudu had little bit more speed with the old Xsara than with the Ford.

[Wim_Impreza]

]I was told that Prokop/Tománek will not restart under superally as they are frustrated from another retirement in fighting for victory... Everything is wrong this season :(

Yes, unbelievable. As I said earlier in this thread, they must go to Loeb and ask some of his luck...

[Fischer]

Femurfractures are nasty because usually they lead to extensive bleeding and recovery is very slow :(

[Koppomsbo]

Meeke is having an inpressive pace :)

[Viking]

Or maybe this :)

Drop Latvala to stobart for rest of season and give Marcus an offer he can not refuse :D

[ShiftingGears]

I don't think a championship contending car is ideal for learning not to crash...

[cannyboy]

Will one of the works teams plesase give meeke a wrc car.
The man has some pace.

[Langdale Forest]

SS11 has started.

[Langdale Forest]

Will one of the works teams plesase give meeke a wrc car.
The man has some pace.


But he is very unlikely to ever win the championship.

[jonkka]

Aye aye

[jonkka]

But he is very unlikely to ever win the championship.

That isn't the point. Competitive British driver is the target.

[White Sauron]

Will anybody except Loeb win a stage on this rally???

[pucky54]

Will anybody except Loeb win a stage on this rally???

Ja

[Langdale Forest]

Doesen't look like it, unless Loeb eases off tomorrow.

[jonkka]

Will anybody except Loeb win a stage on this rally???

Technically, Loeb did not win SS6 yesterday...

[pucky54]

Latvala slow again

[jonkka]

Yesh

[Langdale Forest]

Latvala lost alot of time on 2nd split.

[Buzz Lightyear]

But he is very unlikely to ever win the championship.

Maybe neither will Atkinson, Sordo, or Latvala?

[pucky54]

Where is Henning?

[Viking]

where is Henning?

[Langdale Forest]

Maybe neither will Atkinson, Sordo, or Latvala?

Atkinson: Just has not got the pace to be a champion
Sordo: Tarmac specialist
Latvala: Could be champion if he stopped crashing! :s pin:

[pucky54]

ah, there he is

[cannyboy]

But he is very unlikely to ever win the championship.


There isn't many people winning championships these days except for loeb, so it's worth a shot.

Or we can continue with the procession that is wrc these days.

There is enough rubbish drivers in wrc cars to make room...

[Langdale Forest]

where is Henning?

He is past the 3rd split.