2008 Acropolis Rally - official thread

[Tom206wrc]

SS13 running :)

Latvala +21s on split 1... :s

[jonkka]

Loeb has finished but Sordo isn't even on startline. He'll get penalties...

[Jaanus]

It seems Sordo decided to take the 10 minute penalty.

[Tom206wrc]

No Sordo at start ??? :confused:

[JRodrigues]

Aava very slow :(

[jonkka]

Painful rally...

[Viking]

Even if Loeb got it right, Petter is faster in this loop of stages :up:

[jonkka]

Henning?

[jonkka]

Timing is shot, Henning leads

[KKS]

what a drama.....

[JRodrigues]

Is it just me, or is Sordo being stupid?? Wans't it better not to finish this stage and loose 5 minutes than to finish more than 6m30 behind??

Edit: Afterall it's 4 and a half minutes.. Problems in wrc.com times..

[jonkka]

A farce, almost...

[Tomi]

Painful rally...

Ridiculous i would say.

[jonkka]

Is it just me, or is Sordo being stupid?? Wans't it better not to finish this stage and loose 5 minutes than to finish more than 6m30 behind??

Perhaps they didn't know how much they were losing, they had no splits (at least it looks that way)...

[jonkka]

Besides, Sordo lost 4m25sec to fastest...

[HaCo]

My dad just ssm-ed me that he saw Sordo passing on SS13 (in real life).

[Jaanus]

If you retire on the last stage of the day then you get 10 minutes penalty. They changed the rule after Loeb got second place in Monte 06 even when he had retired on the last stage of day 1.

[SubaruNorway]

Is it just me, or is Sordo being stupid?? Wans't it better not to finish this stage and loose 5 minutes than to finish more than 6m30 behind??

Edit: Afterall it's 4 and a half minutes.. Problems in wrc.com times..

It's 10min on the final stage on a leg so your the stupid one LOL ;)

[KKS]

Is it just me, or is Sordo being stupid?? Wans't it better not to finish this stage and loose 5 minutes than to finish more than 6m30 behind??

Edit: Afterall it's 4 and a half minutes.. Problems in wrc.com times..

for first SupeRally stage +10min, for second +0.0, for 3rd +5, 4th+5

[Viking]

Is it just me, or is Sordo being stupid?? Wans't it better not to finish this stage and loose 5 minutes than to finish more than 6m30 behind??

Edit: Afterall it's 4 and a half minutes.. Problems in wrc.com times..

and it is minimum 10min+ superrally, but do Citroen fit 4 cans of compressed air in their cars??

[Viking]

or was it the red shirt man drinking red bull :s mokin:

[Englandsfahrer]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I remember, two brothers have never stood on the podium together in the WRc right? Unless something dramatic happens tomorrow, that might well happen this time.

Anyway, it's nice to see the subaru performing decently. Maybe we will se one of Petters famous final day attacks again? 28 seconds is not a big lead, even for Loeb.

[SubaruNorway]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I remember, two brothers have never stood on the podium together in the WRc right? Unless something dramatic happens tomorrow, that might well happen this time.

Anyway, it's nice to see the subaru performing decently. Maybe we will se one of Petters famous final day attacks again? 28 seconds is not a big lead, even for Loeb.

Don't think so, if you count out the Panizzi brothers of course.

[pettersolberg29]

If Loeb has the same problems he had this morning, then 30 secs is nothing.
I'm praying for a Solberg win, but a Solberg 1-2 would be beyond belief!

For the first time ever (I'm gonna get slated for this!) I want a driver to retire...Come on Loeb, give us a damper failure in the Citroen and I'll be a happy man.

[Viking]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I remember, two brothers have never stood on the podium together in the WRc right? Unless something dramatic happens tomorrow, that might well happen this time.

Anyway, it's nice to see the subaru performing decently. Maybe we will se one of Petters famous final day attacks again? 28 seconds is not a big lead, even for Loeb.

Anything can happen, S14 can win in its first rally but they can also end up with zero points. Petters confidence is coming back fast :up:

[Englandsfahrer]

Anything can happen, S14 can win in its first rally but they can also end up with zero points. Petters confidence is coming back fast :up:

I honestly don't care if he wins or comes in 4th, as long as he gets his confidence and speed back. It's much more fun watching him when he's properly having a go, like when he set the ouninpohja (spelt wrong, right?) record.

[SubaruNorway]

I honestly don't care if he wins or comes in 4th, as long as he gets his confidence and speed back. It's much more fun watching him when he's properly having a go, like when he set the ouninpohja (spelt wrong, right?) record.

Nope you spelt it right ;)

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Inboard-Petter-Solberg-on_139970.htm

[jonas_mcrae]

28secs and loeb sweeping the road, petter could actually win... (or push too hard and loose verything, hope not)

[Tomi]

Best would be if both Loeb and Petter retires, and a guy who is a 0 for a driver would win, that might put people to think a bit.

[White Sauron]

Best would be if both Loeb and Petter retires, and a guy who is a 0 for a driver would win, that might put people to think a bit.

Think about what? It's a typical rally Acropolis. The strongest wins, not the fastest. To finish first you first need to finish.

[SubaruNorway]

It's just driver errors wich has made the guys have problems so only fair really...

[Mauri A]

It's just driver errors wich has made the guys have problems so only fair really...
So, like Latvalas turbo?

[Viking]

Best would be if both Loeb and Petter retires, and a guy who is a 0 for a driver would win, that might put people to think a bit.

Stupid comment, I would be jumping around, and so would Stobart team :D

[Fiorio]

Think about what? It's a typical rally Acropolis. The strongest wins, not the fastest. To finish first you first need to finish.

for that have rallys raids... i don´t like this rallys is stupid, I don´t no if its a problem whit drivers or cars or the stage...but...so many retirements, so many problem its not good...and that happened so many times...

[SubaruNorway]

So, like Latvalas turbo?

Exsagtly he should have reconsidered using the launch control at the start think lol

Whats thats got to do with the rally btw? go shout at Stephan Lorioux on that one maybe ;)

[Wim_Impreza]

for that have rallys raids... i don´t like this rallys is stupid, I don´t no if its a problem whit drivers or cars or the stage...but...so many retirements, so many problem its not good...and that happened so many times...

I don't see your problem. In the past, they drove much more km's in a rally so there were much more retirements and problems for drivers.

[Englandsfahrer]

for that have rallys raids... i don´t like this rallys is stupid, I don´t no if its a problem whit drivers or cars or the stage...but...so many retirements, so many problem its not good...and that happened so many times...

Me on the other hand like the wrc just because of this. In Ralley Raids only the strongest can win. In the WRC though, you need to be good at different things. That's why, even in todays situation, the WRC is worth watching. Even specialists can win something. For example, Panzzi was unbeatable on asphalt for a while. To win the Championship though, you have to be good at everything. Loeb being the prime example of just that. An asphalt specialist who has expanded his skills to conquer all surfaces and conditions. He still has a little to learn in extreme winter conditions, but compared to the drivers who only master one surface, or only high or low speed rallies, he is a true wrc driver. I honestly think the wrc should have even more different rallies, (like the safari) to give specialists more of a chance. Maybe then, in their individual events, they could push Loeb down from the top of the podium, thus making the point difference from Loeb to the other good allrounders smaler?

[Viking]

This is not the worst Acropolis either; I remember teams used to re-shell cars run here, and some stages that looked like dried out rivers!

[dimviii]

at day 1 both focus of Mikko and Jarri and Khalid ,hit the same stone at the end of last stage...

stones,ditches are part of rallies mates!

[dimviii]

SERVICE NEWS
http://www.acropolisrally.gr/en/show.php?cat_id=43&page_id=1270

fpr PWRC
http://www.acropolisrally.gr/en/show.php?cat_id=43&page_id=1277

[Sulland]

No matter what people think of Petter, it is good for the sport to have one more manufacturer fighting in the top.

The S14 seems to be a notch faster than S12B, and much more to come !!

Lets see what happens tomorrow, but Petter has said that his morning tacticks will be to try to secure 2nd, but things might change.....

Also Hope Henning will get a podium, he is fast on gravel, but need more training on Asfalt, there he is lost !!!!!!!!!

[bluuford]

Like I said, today will be very difficult day and only the leader of the rally will be on the same place after day two. I was wrong! Urmo is again fifth.
Anyone knows why Urmo Aava lost that much time during the second split?
I think that the problem was Sordo? Anyone heard anything from WRR?
Sordo got 60 sek penalties before stage 13. that means he started just before Aava, and Aava lost something like 40 sek on the second split and 3 se on the last split. And from his comments you can see that he said: "no comments you will see"
Anyone can confirm that?

[Glee]

Best would be if both Loeb and Petter retires, and a guy who is a 0 for a driver would win, that might put people to think a bit.

The odds for Henning Solberg winning was 1:60 (at expect.com)
The odds for Petter was 1.18 (will probably be lower in Turkey)

[ste898]

I must support Petter for the win now that the Ford are way down.......

[bluuford]

Like I said, today will be very difficult day and only the leader of the rally will be on the same place after day two. I was wrong! Urmo is again fifth.
Anyone knows why Urmo Aava lost that much time during the second split?
I think that the problem was Sordo? Anyone heard anything from WRR?
Sordo got 60 sek penalties before stage 13. that means he started just before Aava, and Aava lost something like 40 sek on the second split and 3 se on the last split. And from his comments you can see that he said: "no comments you will see"
Anyone can confirm that?

I was right.. Aava was slowed by Sordo´s dust:-(
But tomorrow will be very interesting day again :-)

[kleisj]

Don't think so, if you count out the Panizzi brothers of course.

And the McRae brothers I think in RAC (don't remember the year though..)

[c4]

And the McRae brothers I think in RAC (don't remember the year though..)

Think you mean 95 and Alister was fourth.

[Halvis]

A good day for us norwegians, I hold my thumbs for a troublefree tomorrow - it would have been very nice with 2 Solbergs on the podium.

Otherwise, very interesting to see the new Subaru, a little slow start, but pretty impressive debut, I think. I've just seen some incar footage with Petter, and I think it is obvious that the new car is much more balanced. You could clearly see that Petter didn't have to adjust the steering wheel all the time, and the car wasn't wobbling from side to side as we have seen many times the last year. There is surely a bit left to directly compete with the pace of C4 and Focus, but a very promising start, IMO.

Also nice to see Henning in competetive pace, after 2 days just a bit over 1 minute behind Seb.

I look forward to tomorrow - and the rest of the season!

[kleisj]

Day 2 is over with many mixed feelings.

I really thought that today the Fords will make a nice comeback and fight for the win. Seb would make road sweeping and Fords flat out. Not the case. Bad luck for both.
My first surprise was the starting order. I saw Hirvo 2nd in the starting order and I was wondering why. Probably they kept their road positions before yesterday's Super special stage.
I was at ss8 & 11 at Aghii Theodori. Really disappointing to see Latvala being really late cruising to the end of the stage.
This Acropolis has proved to be one of the roughest. The stages were really bad. Too many rocks and too many victims as well. Osteberg had 3 punctures.!!! on the 24th km of the stage he arrived with his front right tyre flat. After that I heard on the stewards intercom that he was missing. He had stopped to change the tyre. Organizers need to search for better stages next year or go back to Lamia area. The whole spectacle was poor, since it became a survival game.

Solberg Peter was very spectacular. Good to see him fight again. The crowd went mad when he arrived at the service park.
The Red Bull effect. The two PWRC guys sousa and aigner were the most spectacular to watch. Really fast and very very sideways. Aava also . Very impressive world class driving.

Day 3 is starting and I will be at Assopia stage ss15&18. Is a nice stage to watch and drive, not too many rocks there.

[Larry_Japan]

Like I said, today will be very difficult day and only the leader of the rally will be on the same place after day two. I was wrong! Urmo is again fifth.
Anyone knows why Urmo Aava lost that much time during the second split?
I think that the problem was Sordo? Anyone heard anything from WRR?
Sordo got 60 sek penalties before stage 13. that means he started just before Aava, and Aava lost something like 40 sek on the second split and 3 se on the last split. And from his comments you can see that he said: "no comments you will see"
Anyone can confirm that?

is it possible there is something more sinister goin on? like aava illegally giving sordo a spare tyre to save sordo from retiring on road section? would citroen pull a stunt like that? i know they're peed off about the control tyre.

[bluuford]

is it possible there is something more sinister goin on? like aava illegally giving sordo a spare tyre to save sordo from retiring on road section? would citroen pull a stunt like that? i know they're peed off about the control tyre.

No, it is not possible. You cannot give extra spare tire in 39 sek and bar codes are checked. He was just stuck behind in his dust. Dani´s GPS signal was lost and therefore team didn't know when Aava reached to the back of Sordos C4.

The only way to change tires is to give it on the stage and switch it back after the stage.. but too risky in my opinion.

[jparker]

Where's andersson? :(
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[jparker]

Torque is more important than power especially on such terrain(rough gravel), and S2000s haven't turbos, so less torque... :rolleyes:

Tom, I didn't use the technical wording in my post, by "power" I meant more "muscles". Yes, no turbo (just high revs :) ) but the car is visually faster.
Here is picture for you ;)
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[jparker]

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[jparker]

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[bt52b]

deletehttp://www.Paintedover.com

[SubaruNorway]

Shoulden't Sordo be out cos of what you see at 3:10?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtLGcgDmYhI

[COD]

Ford boys have not been as smart as Loeb. But the big news in this rally is that Petter has gained his confidence and is drivng as he should be

[ST205GT4]

I'm going to be the dissenting voice here.

I've seen nothing that tells me Subaru are back. If you take out the misfortune that hit the Fords and mistakes by other drivers, Subaru would still be in the same boat that they were in with the new car. They've been fortunate this rally, which as anyone knows is a feature of the Acropolis.

[grugsticles]

Solberg Peter was very spectacular. Good to see him fight again. The crowd went mad when he arrived at the service park.

I would have LOVED to be there for that moment.
Go Petter for the WIN!!!

[tmx]

luck, careful driving, two different things. it's not like petter is the luckiest driver in the wrc.

[jonkka]

Shoulden't Sordo be out cos of what you see at 3:10?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtLGcgDmYhI

Technically, there still was rubber on the rim.

[jonkka]

Morning fellas, time for final day and 100+ kms of competitive motoring still left.

[jonkka]

Loeb is missing splits - but... :eek:

[jonkka]

And he's finished...

[John V]

Morning. Seems first on road is disadvantage but on the other hand advantage for Seb due dust.

[Helstar]

It seems that even if Loeb sweeps roads there is no match at all ... WRC ?
Wrong ! it's LRC (Loeb Rally Championship) ^^

edit: oh there, it's the dust ... the guy has all the luck not only the skill xD !

[jonkka]

Besides, I didn't think Petter would have even tried. 2nd o/a is much too important for Subaru to risk losing.

[Helstar]

GARDEMEISTER T. "Lot of dust, I saw almost nothing. Moreover, some water came from somewhere to windscreen and we have no wipers."

WHAT ? No wipers O_o ? Omg Suzuki ... what the hell are they doing ?!

[Helstar]

Seems that Atko is pushing hard even if surrounded by dust ^^ X-ray vision ?

[jonkka]

Seems that Atko is pushing hard even if surrounded by dust ^^ X-ray vision ?

100% confidence to pace notes. Just like Richard Burns in RAC 1997 - caught and passed Auriol in full fog and took rally lead.

[Helstar]

Atko best time -6.4 to Loeb ...
We can safely say that indeed the new Subaru has some potential ... maybe xD

I can't see the point of making Gigi drives, he is hours behind and totally pointless to risk damaging the car... yesterday they said they wanted to save it for Turkey rally.

[jonkka]

No splits for Loeb in SS15 either... :eek:

[A.F.F.]

Loeb finished ss 15...

[jonkka]

What is his time? EDIT: I see it

[White Sauron]

Loeb finished ss 15...

Nooooo...

[jonkka]

Mikko wants to podium

[GigiGalliNo1]

I haven;t been following the rallye but two Solbergs in the top 3... surprise!!

[jonkka]

Slow morning?

[John V]

Some problem for Aigner, hope puncture 'only' :confused:

[tmx]

Some problem for Aigner, hope puncture 'only' :confused: differential.

Looks like petter has some not so good times, not sure if problems, but he's over a 1minutes behind now. I was hoping for him to fight but guess he'll have to settle for 2nd. Petter said some problems, but he's fastest ss16. Well my guess it'll continue like this, I'm looking forward to Finland.

[Mauri A]

Mikko wants to podium
Looks like he will be there.

[jonkka]

Yes, looks that way.

[jonkka]

Where is Atkinson?

[malscar]

WRC.com have him as retired at control 16. No reason.

WRR just said rear suspension problems.

[jonkka]

Withdrawn?

[Ranger]

Interesting points position at the end of this one:

- Loeb, after his 5th win this year, will move back into the championship lead from Hirvonen (who strangely only has one win :s hock: ...Mr consistent here) by 2-3 points.
- Mikko's about to move 25 points clear of Latvala in the standings - time for Ford to put their effort behind him.
- Atkinson will still be 3rd despite the car seizing up... Although he's going to be some 16 points of daylight between him and Mikko who'll be 2nd.
- Sordo will be one point behind Latvala

Hopefully Subaru haven't shown their full hand yet. Mind you, it took them until this year to get their '06 car to look reasonable!

[Gard]

Now Hennings engine keeps stopping Oh... Mikko is closing... surprise... NOT

[jonkka]

Henning loses so much that he'll drop a lot...

[Mauri A]

That´s it with Henning!

[KKS]

poor poor Henning

[Mauri A]

Where is Latvala?
Edit: fastest!

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Latvala now??? :confused:

[John V]

Just feel sorry for Henning, seem he will score no one point at the end :s

[SubaruNorway]

don't have splits on him...

[Tom206wrc]

OK Latvala was fastest of SS17 ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Where is petter?

[Mauri A]

Just feel sorry for Henning, seem he will score no one point at the end :s
Off topic, but Hänninen´s co-driver is Markkula, not Markulla.

[John V]

Off topic, but Hänninen´s co-driver is Markkula, not Markulla.
Thanx, corrected now :)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Did someone say atkinson is going to be third? Huh?

[Ranger]

Did someone say atkinson is going to be third? Huh?
In the championship.

[Mauri A]

Thanx, corrected now :)
Nice!

[jonkka]

Ford has traditionally been very strong in Acropolis, having won six out of eight last years. Their run didn't last...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Oh i got it over mind, shame bout henning

[jonkka]

On statistics front, this will not only be Loeb's 41st win but also Citroen's 47th. With that number, they equal Subaru and trail Peugeot by one!

[Mauri A]

Looks like also Garde will pass poor Henning.

[Finni]

Hänninen is doing pretty amazing times. Quite near to slowest wrc.cars.

[KKS]

Latvala craziest man at all Greece! at this moment

[Tom206wrc]

Aava is doing a very very good job !!! :)

[KKS]

Aava is doing a very very good job !!! :)

He feel big pressure from manufactures Citroen - Sordo. But 28 sec it still reality

[Bruno Portela]

Goodmorning everybody!!

Can you please supply me the Split time webpage link?

[Viking]

Disappointing day3 so far no real fights and Henning falling of the podium, now let us see if Citroen buy 4th place for Sordo.

[malscar]

wrc.com

[Kamikaze]

Disappointing day3 so far no real fights and Henning falling of the podium, now let us see if Citroen buy 4th place for Sordo.

Would be no surprise if Aava had an "technichal Problem" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Tom206wrc]

Disappointing day3 so far no real fights and Henning falling of the podium, now let us see if Citroen buy 4th place for Sordo.



No reason for Citroën doing this, as Aava is privateer, Sordo would bring the 4th position points for manufacturers :rolleyes:

[Viking]

Would be no surprise if Aava had an "technichal Problem" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Could be, but maybe they dont bother as they have already this 4th place in Man.Champ.

[Tomi]

Aava would be clever if he would let Sordo pass, it would help him in the future, also he has already showed that he is by far the man of this rally.

[jonkka]

Aava would be clever if he would let Sordo pass, it would help him in the future, also he has already showed that he is by far the man of this rally.

We've seen that "help" to come no avail for so many times. Of course, the wrath of manufacturer resulting if driver refuses to comply is much worse option.

[Buzz Lightyear]

Would be no surprise if Aava had an "technichal Problem" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
and a free rebuild for turkey :)

[Finni]

Aava would be clever if he would let Sordo pass, it would help him in the future, also he has already showed that he is by far the man of this rally.

OK, he did few amazing stage times but has not been so fast consistently? Overally good performance. Altough I believe that drivers like Meeke, Hänninen, Andersson etc. would do at least the same with C4 or Ford Focus.

Interesting to see Aava in Finland.

[Tomi]

We've seen that "help" to come no avail for so many times. Of course, the wrath of manufacturer resulting if driver refuses to comply is much worse option.

Or push the works guy to make an error, I dont think that would be so good either.

[tmx]

Would be no surprise if Aava had an "technichal Problem" :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Well I was watching F1 and from what I know it is not allow for teams to make decisions that interfere with drivers placements, wonder why the FIA don't apply the same rule for the WRC.

[Tomi]

OK, he did few amazing stage times but has not been so fast consistently? Overally good performance. Altough I believe that drivers like Meeke, Hänninen, Andersson etc. would do at least the same with C4 or Ford Focus.

Interesting to see Aava in Finland.

Yes maybe they would, but they are not doing, agree, I wait to see how he will do in Finland too, last year he did very well first time in a WRC.

[jonkka]

Well I was watching F1 and from what I know it is not allow for teams to make decisions that interfere with drivers placements, wonder why the FIA don't apply the same rule for the WRC.

And how would they police that rule?

[tmx]

And how would they police that rule? 100million dollars fine.

[Tom206wrc]

What speed from Aava on SS19(faster than Latvala) :eek:

[jonkka]

100million dollars fine.

That's a penalty, not policing (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/police, definition 4).

In F1 where all action takes place in front of TV cameras all the time, it's much easier to detect if someone suddenly slows down in benefit of someone else. But in WRC it's almost impossible to get caught.

Never issue an order if you can't control that it is will be carried through.

[Tom206wrc]

And Sordo even faster on split 2 !!!! :eek:

[Viking]

Maybe Aava is a new Duval :)

[jonkka]

What speed from Aava on SS19(faster than Latvala) :eek:

No way he's slowing down! Good...

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala faster again(split 2) ;)

[KKS]

So Aava will be faster then Sordo at this stage

[Tom206wrc]

Jari-Mati is TOO fast :eek: :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

Disappointing day3 so far no real fights and Henning falling of the podium, now let us see if Citroen buy 4th place for Sordo.



I see more Matt Wilson having to let pass Jari-Mati Latvala, order given by his father :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

Rautenbach faster than Loeb... :p :

[KKS]

Rautenbach faster than Loeb... :p :

Looks like he find short way to win :D

[Viridian Black]

conrad will crash soon :)

[jonkka]

conrad will crash soon :)

Final Super Special Stage, he's got experience of that...

[pettersolberg29]

No post for ages, so I'll pop in.

[KKS]

Another Loeb win !!! :)

[Tomi]

the guys drives really slow on the sss

[pettersolberg29]

So after Petter's first good result of the year; who is with me and will say they believe Petter can get third in the driver's championship in 2008?

Loeb and Mikko are way ahead, but then Chris is on 31, Sordo and JML on about 26, with Galli and Petter on 17.
Good road position for Turkey, and even with a good result there, should also get a good psoition for Finland!

Roll on Turkey!

[User]

I'm really glad for Petter, he really deserve's this result, but I honestly don't think he'll come in third in the campionship this year.

[Viking]

Big relief for Petter and Subaru camp, good to hear the smiles are back :up:

[Tomi]

So after Petter's first good result of the year; who is with me and will say they believe Petter can get third in the driver's championship in 2008?

Loeb and Mikko are way ahead, but then Chris is on 31, Sordo and JML on about 26, with Galli and Petter on 17.
Good road position for Turkey, and even with a good result there, should also get a good psoition for Finland!

Roll on Turkey!

In Turkey he has a chance, but in Finland no chance what so ever, this car is too slow, when was the last time someone has finished second without any fastest stage time?

[Viking]

Also BOS-guys can have a few beers tonight :)

[koko0703]

I was hoping for more speed out of the brand new Impreza, but I guess it is not a bad start for the new era. This 2nd place is definitely more of Petter's smart calculated driving than the performance of the new machine, but I hope Subaru will build up more on this result.

[Viking]

In Turkey he has a chance, but in Finland no chance what so ever, this car is too slow, when was the last time someone has finished second without any fastest stage time?

Answer is Mikko Hirvonen Monte Carlo 2008 me thinks :)
Petter was fastest driver day2 and car seems stable on the fast bits ,and they have some wery good split times. So I am staying positive also for Finland. They also have more testing days in hand than the other teams.

[Tomi]

Petter was fastest driver day2
To be fair he was the only one who did not have problems.

[WRC1]

why have all the result sites stopped??

where are the pcwrc guys??

[Viking]

why have all the result sites stopped??

where are the pcwrc guys??

Podium ceremoni WRC before rest of the drivers run it.

[N.O.T]

Hello everyone....

Osteberg to replace Solberg as soon as possible....The subarus are no good....the suzukis also....but Per Gunnar really milks everything out of the car amazing driving !!!Vovos should stay home next year or drive a grp N car

Loeb is just too good for everyone.....he looked amazing.

Ketomaa Novikov verunov and aigner the best of group N

Very rough rally....home its the last year i visit this disgusting area for this event...totally worthless location and the local people don;t support the event at all....

bye for now....

[Patwrc]

To be fair to say, Petter's 2nd place is all down to precision rather than speed. But I honestly hope that it is a brand new start of the Subaru era. Hopefully there will be more speed coming for the new Impreza, and more importantly winning rallies in the near future.
Good job Petter and SWRT!

[WRC1]

Podium ceremoni WRC before rest of the drivers run it.

i see!! thx!

reg

wrc1

[Viking]

And rally winner is.....Red Bull.... :)

[pettersolberg29]

N.O.T - how can you say Ostberg should replace Petter? That is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard!

Petter is an ex-World Champion, who has just got 2nd in Greece, and would have had many more points if it weren't for car problems - no-one can say things like total electrical failures are his fault. Even with problems, he is 6th or 7th in the Driver's Championship. Where's Ostberg? The only thing where Ostberg is even close to Petter is on snow, and there is only one snow rally a year.
Ostberg meanwhile has finsihed almost 50 minutes behind the leader in Greece, and has shown little to no potential IMO.

Rant over, but that was a poor suggestion.

[ste898]

Pity about the winner........but that man Petter in 2nd is fantastic result for both him and Subaru..

[playmo]

That 3rd should have been for Henning, by the way, what was his trouble? i'm thinking some phrase with "suspension" around it.... EDIT: Engine, my bad.
For has got serious work to do with ther cars reliability.
My man Aava 4th! (due to the bad luck of others, but then again, from 1st place, who's not?!)

[Wim_Impreza]

Vovos should stay home next year or drive a grp N car


I think Vovos has done a good job, he was faster than Wilson in the same car until he retired. Especially when you know that Vovos drove for the first (and maybe last) time a Stobart Focus.

[Mauri A]

Hello everyone....

Osteberg to replace Solberg as soon as possible....The subarus are no good....the suzukis also....but Per Gunnar really milks everything out of the car amazing driving !!!Vovos should stay home next year or drive a grp N car

Loeb is just too good for everyone.....he looked amazing.

Ketomaa Novikov verunov and aigner the best of group N

Very rough rally....home its the last year i visit this disgusting area for this event...totally worthless location and the local people don;t support the event at all....

bye for now....
I almost forgot your role as No 1 provoker.

[Sulland]

Hello everyone....

Osteberg to replace Solberg as soon as possible....The subarus are no good....the suzukis also....but Per Gunnar really milks everything out of the car amazing driving !!!Vovos should stay home next year or drive a grp N car

Loeb is just too good for everyone.....he looked amazing.

Ketomaa Novikov verunov and aigner the best of group N

Very rough rally....home its the last year i visit this disgusting area for this event...totally worthless location and the local people don;t support the event at all....

bye for now....

Bad hangover today ? :beer: yesterday ??!!

[bluuford]

During the Post Event scruteneering, car No.57 (Martin Rauam-Silver Kutt) was found not conforming to the Mitsubishi homologation form No. N-5688 as at the front brake disks of the car was noted that the cooling vanes were dissimilar and the weight of the disk lighter compared to the homologated one.

Thus, the Stewards decided to exclude car No.57 from the event.

Bad news. but at least he will be very happy the way the competition went. second place by the end of event :-)

[dimviii]

again a top run car? :confused:

[jens]

Fourth place for Aava is awesome!! :up: Watch out for him in the future! :D

[bluuford]

again a top run car? :confused:

Yep. Top run again!
**** happens.. all the time :-)

[cut the b.s.]

Pity about the winner.....


get used to it, 41 so far, I think he will make it to 60 before he retires


Stunning drive from Loeb as expected, used his head, also Petter, hope this is a return to the 03/04 Petter, these 2 really showed their experience, just as many others showed their lack.

Regarding times, remember lots of the fastest stage times were taken by super rally guys with no position to lose, or people who had lost lots of time earlier, why should Petter have pushed for stage wins when he had a great result to collect?

[ST205GT4]

Rally fans make me laugh sometimes. One swallow does not a summer make!

Subaru still have a lot of development on this car to make it truely competitive.

[bowler]

Rally fans make me laugh sometimes. One swallow does not a summer make!

Subaru still have a lot of development on this car to make it truely competitive.

You are right, but it was nice to see Petter drive well. Loeb drove well, saved his car, and won the Rally. The mark of a champion. Likewise Petter drove well, saved his car, and came 2nd. With the old car that would not have happened, as he would not have bothered. This drive will have his head back in the right place.

Two good drives in my book. Nice to see a Subaru comfortably in 2nd. I know that others will say "what if Latvala or Sordo had no problems", but they did have problems, and that folks, is rallying.

Good result:
Citroen, Subaru, Ford

[bluuford]

You are right, but it was nice to see Petter drive well. Loeb drove well, saved his car, and won the Rally. The mark of a champion. Likewise Petter drove well, saved his car, and came 2nd. With the old car that would not have happened, as he would not have bothered. This drive will have his head back in the right place.

Two good drives in my book. Nice to see a Subaru comfortably in 2nd. I know that others will say "what if Latvala or Sordo had no problems", but they did have problems, and that folks, is rallying.

Good result:
Citroen, Subaru, Ford

You are very right! Sordo´s problems were his own fault. I saw footages of his tyres after the long stage. He was in the lead and got over exited. He was thinking that he can put a lot of time between him and Loeb and maybe he has a chance to win a rally. But he underestimated the tyrewear with such a warm weather and with clean road. On the other had Jari got the suspension damage because he was bit too wide and turbo problems.. just happens with him.. probably he is not very gentle with his car :-) So, Petters pace was very good. The fact that he was slow during the last day was caused by the road sweeping. Atko set some very good times while starting on the clean road.

[Halvis]

So, Petters pace was very good. The fact that he was slow during the last day was caused by the road sweeping. Atko set some very good times while starting on the clean road.

Also, on the last day, I'm pretty sure Petter NEVER attended to challenge for the win, the second place was far to important for him/the team to jeopardise (how the h*ll is that written? been trying different ways, this looks the best)! Actually, after the first stage on day 3, none other than Hirvonen of the top boys were risking anything, clearly seen on the results and visually.

[Karukera]

Another glorious win for Loeb as per new FIA's road position rule plan :s tare: ... and one Greece rally Ford won't pocket, for a change. ;)

Citroën is closing on the manu champ, it wasn't expected at all there. Will be interesting for the 2nd part of the season after the Ford ballad in Finland.

I'm a bit surprised at how Loeb and Quesnel insist quite a lot about the new C4 suspension improvements made after Mexico.
Sordo still has to learn how to deal with both speed and tire wear.
Refreshing to see a Sub so high in the final classification despite average pace and thanks to attrition.
Too bad for Henning and i don't see any Ford dirty trick to let Hirvonen clinch a podium and get more pilot's and manu points. :talk:
Pleased by Aava, want to see more from him.
Last, Suzuki guys' comittment eventually rewarded them for a couple of manu points. It's a bit of something in Greece. :up:




Russia, 2008 IIHF World Champion ! :bounce:

[pantealex]

And rally winner is.....Red Bull.... :)
+Top 2 in PWRC
RedBull gives you wings!

[pantealex]

Does anyone know what the driving order if both S1600 and PWRC is in the same event?
NORF2008 = JWRC first and PWRC after
PWRC will use numbers 131-160
from http://www.nesteoilrallyfinland.fi/attachements/2008-05-29T09-45-59253.pdf page 22 in finish
11. Yleistä kilpailun kulusta
11.1 Kilpailunumerot Prioriteetti 3 -ohjaajille
Junioreiden MM-sarjan kilpailijat käyttävät JWRC-sääntöjen Artiklan 9 mukaisia kilpailunumeroitaan. Tuotantoautojen MM-sarjan kilpailijat käyttävät normaaleita numeroitaan lisättynä sadalla, eli numeroita 131 - 160.
11.2 Lähtöjärjestys Prioriteetti 3 -ohjaajille
Prioriteetti 3 -ohjaajien lähtöjärjestyksessä Junioreiden MM-sarjan ohjaajat lähtevät ennen Tuotantoautojen MM-sarjan ohjaajia.

[A.F.F.]

Seriously, who wants to see S1600 cars ??? :down:

[kleisj]

Why not AFF? Spectacular they are specially if they are driven from talented hotshots! To tell you the truth I would like to see both PWRC and JWRC in the same rally!

[A.F.F.]

Why not AFF? Spectacular they are specially if they are driven from talented hotshots! To tell you the truth I would like to see both PWRC and JWRC in the same rally!

That's the problem. One out of thirty and you might see a talented hotshot who serves the car right.

I prefer PWRC. That's where the talent lurks novadays :)

[A.F.F.]

Oh and btw kleisj.

Thanks for the good reports and photos during Acropolis :up:

[pantealex]

and same in english from NORF homepage
11. Features of the Rally
11.1 Competition Numbers for Priority 3 Drivers
Competitors in the FIA Junior WRC will be using their regular competition numbers as per Art. 9 in FIA JWRC regulations. The competitors in FIA Production Car WRC will be using a competition number equal to their regular PWRC number plus 100, i.e. competitor numbers 131 to 160.
11.2 Starting Order for Priority 3 Drivers
Among the Priority 3 drivers, competitors in the FIA Junior WRC start before Production WRC crews.

[kleisj]

Acropolis is over and I think the officials should seriously consider to move the event to the previous location with all these beautiful stages! It was good for me to sleep home every night but still this is not a reason I would vote for the rally to stay at the present location!
The stages were very rough! Worse than last year. This doesn't help for flat out driving. Tactic gets in the way for survival!

Good Seb got it! He was fast , smart and lucky! Bravo to him because he know the way to the top better than anyone else right now.
Hirvo I believe has better tactics from his team mate. Or better luck ? I don't know. But he is still in better championship position. Fast and always nice to watch him.
Latvala reminds me a bit of McRae. Flat out all time. Great to watch. When things go well he can overhaul Loeb. And this is pretty amazing , but on the other side speed is part of the factors to take a win.
I was really hoping that the two Fords take 1-2 spots. But was never to happen.
On the other hand it was great to see Peter in the number 2 position. Crowd went nuts when he arrived at the service on Day2. I hope the car is good enough to make a fine comeback as championship contender.
Aava was maybe the star of the rally. Magnificent drive in my opinion. Extremely spectacular wherever I watched him. 4th position is a good result for his drive. I hope we see more of him with this car to gain more experience.
Sordo is starting to produce what he is paid for. Was good to watch , aggressive, but bad luck or maybe inexperience put him down the order. He hasn't won yet with a car full capable of winning. Is time for him to start playing his role in the championship.
Both PG and Garde were trying hard , but the car is not near yet where it should be. Too much oversteer or too much understeer. In any case too much sliding meaning loss of time. Great sound though from the yellow cars!
Mads is always aggressive and this is what we like to watch. Time will tell about his performance , but definitely he knows how to drive a WRC car. One of the most spectacular current drivers. He is young and I hope we can see him with official team car in the near future. He had his share of bad luck on Day2 with 3 punctures. In ss8 he passed with a front right puncture really fast! After a while though I heard on the radio that they were looking for him because he hadn't finished the stage. He had stopped to change it loosing lots of time in this ss (Aghii Theodori).
Vovos didn't spend much time learning the car. Drove for 1st time and he put down good times beating some wrc regulars, he could have taken a really good position at the end. But he had bad luck and had to retire. Anyway we were really happy to watch him and hope next year he will have better luck with the same kind of car.

PWRC.
Great quality of drivers. I would say that the most spectacular was Bernando Sousa. Really aggressive with the car a few cms away from disaster in more than some cases, cost him time though! Maybe Ostberg kind of driving hehehe! But he got 2nd place at the end behind his team mate! Aigner was spectacular and fast as well! Got the win at the end! Congratulation to him and his team. In general Prokop, Haninnen ofcourse, Athanasoulas, Vertunov, Arauho, Brynildsen, Al-Attiyah, Baldacci and a few others who I can't remember now were really good to watch and produced fast really fast times! I thought it will be boring to watch them but now I have a really different opinion!!!

EDIT: I forgot about Sandel. Good good, but the S2000 was never near the N4s at least at the places I watched!

During the rally I've heard many things about the tyres. They were much heavier than the Michelins and all of the crews had problems with them. Some more some less, but they all did. It is estimated that they are 8kgs more than the Michelins. Anyway in all these years I don't remember Ford having suspension failures in Acropolis rally.... I don't know any details though , but I would welcome any comments on that if someone knows.

[kleisj]

Oh and btw kleisj.

Thanks for the good reports and photos during Acropolis :up:

No prob, I have around 600 pics from day2 and 3. Problem is how to upload all these material!!!

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/3316/tfr612ix4.gif

I will find a way though!!!

[kleisj]

That's the problem. One out of thirty and you might see a talented hotshot who serves the car right.

I prefer PWRC. That's where the talent lurks novadays :)

Few years back we had 5-7 hotshots with good fights between them. And in general the JWRC championship was exciting and spectacular to watch. Don't you agree?

[Kaps]

Villagra's co-driver at Acropolis was not his usual Jorge Perez Companc, but Jose Maria Volta instead.

Does anyone know why?

[bluuford]

During the rally I've heard many things about the tyres. They were much heavier than the Michelins and all of the crews had problems with them. Some more some less, but they all did. It is estimated that they are 8kgs more than the Michelins. Anyway in all these years I don't remember Ford having suspension failures in Acropolis rally.... I don't know any details though , but I would welcome any comments on that if someone knows.

Well the problem with such a hard tyres is that they are really, really, really hard! If you want to make a tyre without mousse that lasts on such a rocky roads you have to make them very hard. Those tyres weight much more and at the same time they are not working like a part of suspension. Tyres with mousse were much softer and worked as a part of suspension as well. Now this function is missing and suspension gets much harder impacts and breaks more often. The problem is that they tried to cut costs on tyres but now they are paying it back to repair or modify their suspension The worst situation is with PWRC, because these cars are normally meant to drive with normal tyres not with "stone" tyres.

The problem why Mikko was loosing so much time during the first Days and Loeb lost also a lot of time during the second and third Days was also the single option of tyres. last years when you were first on the road you used softer tyre which had much better grip on the loose. Now they all have to use very hard tyre all the time which is little bit like a ski on the ice :-) The results in Greece were very clear. Loeb lost 85.4 seconds to stage winner on Saturday and 133.9 seconds on Sunday that is more than a 1 sek/km. So, don't blame Mikko that he is loosing too much time on the first day!

[c4]

Villagra's co-driver at Acropolis was not his usual Jorge Perez Companc, but Jose Maria Volta instead.

Does anyone know why?

From a press release

Villagra also changed co-drivers for the event, enlisting the help of Luis Pérez Companc’s regular co-driver after his own co-driver, Jorge Pérez Companc, was forced to stay home in Argentina for personal reasons.

[A.F.F.]

Few years back we had 5-7 hotshots with good fights between them. And in general the JWRC championship was exciting and spectacular to watch. Don't you agree?

No I don't and the reason is simple. That was then, this is now. Today young hotshots have ( fortunately ) found a different way to the top and it isn't through S1600. I've never liked S1600, not even when Loeb loebinated the series.

[JCarlosPP]

(...)
PWRC.
Great quality of drivers. I would say that the most spectacular was Bernando Sousa. Really aggressive with the car a few cms away from disaster in more than some cases, cost him time though! Maybe Ostberg kind of driving hehehe! But he got 2nd place at the end behind his team mate! (...)



Yep that´s Bernardo Sousa!! Lat´s year after winning is first rally (at 19 years old) he started to do impressive stage times but not completing any rally whatsoever!! But this year it look´s like is able to keep it together and finish rally´s more often, that´s good for him!!

His luckiest escape this year!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_X0GcDf7qM

[dimviii]

:eek: :eek: :eek:
so in Acropolis was in ''safe mode'' :p :

[pejda]

i also had a talk with two guys from CZ they told me they are owners of the www.ewrc.cz (http://www.ewrc.cz) great guys keep the good work!!!(sorry i dont remember their names)


Hi, that was me in the service park you were talking to. It was a pleasure to be in Greece a to see the Acropolis rally, its really hot, dusty and unbelievable rough!

[dimviii]

Ηι pejda!!
next year don t hesitate for calling me if you come in Greece.
nice to talk with petrolheads-wrcmaniacs

ps.i want www.ewrc.cz (http://www.ewrc.cz) in english asap :D

[kleisj]

Yep that´s Bernardo Sousa!! Lat´s year after winning is first rally (at 19 years old) he started to do impressive stage times but not completing any rally whatsoever!! But this year it look´s like is able to keep it together and finish rally´s more often, that´s good for him!!

His luckiest escape this year!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_X0GcDf7qM

Wherever I saw him made quite an impression! I think he is very talented and I hope to see more of him in the future combined with winning results.

The vid was surely a lucky escape!
http://pics.miarroba.com/caretos/lol.gif

[kleisj]

No I don't and the reason is simple. That was then, this is now. Today young hotshots have ( fortunately ) found a different way to the top and it isn't through S1600. I've never liked S1600, not even when Loeb loebinated the series.

Maybe you are right. But still I do love S1600s! Reminds me more of pureblood racing car which needs serious skills to take the best out of it. Not that the PWRC serious are easy cars to drive in the absolute limit but I think they are easier to control at flat out conditions.
But as I said before it was a nice surprise for me to get excited from the PWRCs in this rally. I didnt expect it at all!

[Tomi]

No I don't and the reason is simple. That was then, this is now. Today young hotshots have ( fortunately ) found a different way to the top and it isn't through S1600. I've never liked S1600, not even when Loeb loebinated the series.

Same here S1600 is more than boaring, I wish they would have been driving those after the PWRC in 1000 Lakes.

[jonkka]

From a press release

Villagra also changed co-drivers for the event, enlisting the help of Luis Pérez Companc’s regular co-driver after his own co-driver, Jorge Pérez Companc, was forced to stay home in Argentina for personal reasons.

What press release, where can I find it?

[Viking]

wrc.com

"Stobart VK M-Sport Ford driver Gigi Galli won the inaugural Colin McRae Trophy, offered by the organisers of the Acropolis Rally of Greece to the driver with the fastest average speed through a stage.

Galli recorded the rally’s fastest average speed - 100.77kph - though Sunday’s 15.14 kilometre Avlonas stage (SS14). "

Small mistake from wrc.com here as it was Chris Atkinson who won that stage, I think Gigi got it from SS17, Avolonas2.
Anyway congrats to Gigi :up:
He also set some kind of record in retiring on all 3 days :D

[DonJippo]

Same here S1600 is more than boaring, I wish they would have been driving those after the PWRC in 1000 Lakes.

Boring yes but it is easier to change to WRC from S1600 than GrN as a driver I mean.

[c4]

What press release, where can I find it?

Here
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/wrc/news/164314-0/no_points_for_villagra_munchis.html

[N.O.T]

some pics from me....full gallery to follow soon

[N.O.T]

Novikov was the first one now vertunov...just to please my friend white sauron

[N.O.T]

now some of the big boys

[N.O.T]

I have pics from almost every driver in large formats...pm me with your requests if you want.

[A.F.F.]

I have pics from almost every driver in large formats...pm me with your requests if you want.

Almost every driver ? I guess that counts the Finns out, right ? ;)

[pettersolberg29]

N.O.T - a couple of Aava wouldn't be bad.

[pavlos_a]

I have pics from almost every driver in large formats...pm me with your requests if you want.

From me?? Support the greek driver!!!

Lambros

[jbanbury]

I've uploaded a few photos from the event if anyone fancies a look ...

http://www.rally-shots.com

[N.O.T]

From me?? Support the greek driver!!!

Lambros

i can send a good batch of your whole career (since the puma kit car era) i just need an e-mail which can hold large files.

here is an appetiser from our world event....

[N.O.T]

N.O.T - a couple of Aava wouldn't be bad.

Mr aava

[N.O.T]

Almost every driver ? I guess that counts the Finns out, right ? ;)

here you go

[N.O.T]

Almost every driver ? I guess that counts the Finns out, right ? ;)

finish mafia mobsters were also there....

[jonkka]

finish mafia mobsters were also there....

They do get everywhere, don't they? Like locusts...

[jonkka]

Here
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/wrc/news/164314-0/no_points_for_villagra_munchis.html

Thanks C4! I wonder if anyone would know if Munchi's has PR department? Someone's gotta be writing these press releases?

[pavlos_a]

i can send a good batch of your whole career (since the puma kit car era) i just need an e-mail which can hold large files.

here is an appetiser from our world event....

Thank you. [email:2wtg8uzh]lambros@athanassoulas.gr[/email:2wtg8uzh]

[A.F.F.]

finish mafia mobsters were also there....

Nah... that's only an observation team. Take it as a satellite squad. Real Finnish Rally Mafia dress differently :D

[N.O.T]

Thank you. lambros@athanassoulas.gr

pics sent...enjoy.

[jonkka]

Nah... that's only an observation team. Take it as a satellite squad. Real Finnish Rally Mafia dress differently :D

They do dress? :eek: I am afraid to ask how...

[c4]

Thanks C4! I wonder if anyone would know if Munchi's has PR department? Someone's gotta be writing these press releases?

PR articles for Ford teams done by Ford Press.

[dimviii]

@AFF
you are right!!
they are not finns,they are austrians from mikko hirvonen fan club.I had a talk with them,really good guys they travel in almost every wrc rally.

so whats the dress code of Finns? :D

Hi,

This is excellent in nature it seesms the SUBARU, i hope it would do better focus from the entire rally fans

[Tomi]

I've uploaded a few photos from the event if anyone fancies a look ...

http://www.rally-shots.com

Top stuff as always, I hope your camera is still ok after the dust baths.

[tmx]

@AFF
you are right!!
they are not finns,they are austrians from mikko hirvonen fan club.I had a talk with them,really good guys they travel in almost every wrc rally.

so whats the dress code of Finns? :D

The hair I think.

[kleisj]

Almost every driver ? I guess that counts the Finns out, right ? ;)

Don't you worry! I've got you covered A.F.F.


http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/Acropolis%2008%20Day%201/

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/Acropolis%2008%20Day%202/

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/Acropolis%2008%20Day%203/

Pass is Acropolis

P.S. I don't have yet all the pictures uploaded yet since they are around 1000 and need resizing before uploading and this takes time. For the moment I have a few uploaded and in the near future I hope I ll have most of them.

[kleisj]

Don't you worry! I've got you covered A.F.F.


http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/Acropolis%2008%20Day%201/

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/Acropolis%2008%20Day%202/

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/Acropolis%2008%20Day%203/

Pass is Acropolis

P.S. I don't have yet all the pictures uploaded yet since they are around 1000 and need resizing before uploading and this takes time. For the moment I have a few uploaded and in the near future I hope I ll have most of them.

Sorry
Pass is: acropolis08

[witto6]

All the ford press releases are done by http://www.the-inside-line.co.uk/ I was talking to them on an event and they said they have 2 peeps based at M-Sport, who go to all the world events.

[kleisj]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/DSC_1258.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/DSC_1264.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/DSC_1266.jpg

[kleisj]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/DSC_1279.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/DSC_1302.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/DSC_1530.jpg

[jbanbury]

Top stuff as always, I hope your camera is still ok after the dust baths.

Thanks Tomi .... The cameras survived ... Just!

[kleisj]

Sousa

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/DSC_1321.jpg

Mads

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/DSC_1583.jpg

[AlfaWRC]

@AFF
you are right!!
they are not finns,they are austrians from mikko hirvonen fan club.I had a talk with them,really good guys they travel in almost every wrc rally.

so whats the dress code of Finns? :D

You are exactly right!!!
There a lot of visits on our agenda in the next months.
Turkey, Finland, Germany & New Zealand are fixed.

A lot of pictures from Greece will follow on our homepage soon.

greetinx from austria

[DIMI44]

@AFF
you are right!!
they are not finns,they are austrians from mikko hirvonen fan club.I had a talk with them.....

Also you have very nice photos from the event. :rolleyes: Can you upload them!!!

[dimviii]

:rolleyes: i hadn t got a camera at Acropolis mate.

[atsiotras79]

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/101/d1loebeh4.th.jpg (http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d1loebeh4.jpg) http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/4268/d1hsolbergwq5.th.jpg (http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d1hsolbergwq5.jpg) http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8522/d1psolberguw2.th.jpg (http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d1psolberguw2.jpg) http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1987/d1vovosba9.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d1vovosba9.jpg)

[atsiotras79]

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3272/d1aavaeg5.th.jpg (http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d1aavaeg5.jpg) http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5010/d1atkinsontx4.th.jpg (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d1atkinsontx4.jpg) http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/2696/d1sordodt1.th.jpg (http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d1sordodt1.jpg)

[atsiotras79]

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/1153/d2hirvonensa8.th.jpg (http://img50.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d2hirvonensa8.jpg) http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4555/d2psolbergyb2.th.jpg (http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d2psolbergyb2.jpg) http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/496/d2latvalaox1.th.jpg (http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d2latvalaox1.jpg) http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/1962/d2atkinsondo2.th.jpg (http://img113.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d2atkinsondo2.jpg) http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/9894/d2vovoskp1.th.jpg (http://img391.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d2vovoskp1.jpg)

[atsiotras79]

http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/830/d2loebvh3.th.jpg (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d2loebvh3.jpg) http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5825/d3solbergwu0.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d3solbergwu0.jpg) http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3797/d2aignerdp9.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d2aignerdp9.jpg) http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8749/d3araujoai1.th.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d3araujoai1.jpg) http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/776/d3athanasoulasfn9.th.jpg (http://img386.imageshack.us/my.php?image=d3athanasoulasfn9.jpg)

[atsiotras79]

Some of our photos above

[dimviii]

@atsiotras
excellent photos!!! :D

[Xsara Fan]

Here some photos from my friend Lina Arnautova:

http://sport.piterfoto.com/component/option,com_zoom/Itemid,36/catid,8/PageNo,1/

[AlfaWRC]

Mikko in Action in Greece:
http://www.hirvonen-fanclub.com/component/option,com_zoom/Itemid,33/catid,58/

the fanclub on tour:
http://www.hirvonen-fanclub.com/component/option,com_zoom/Itemid,33/catid,49/PageNo,4/

[dimviii]

some nice photos from rally.gr
http://www.rally.gr/default.asp?menu_code=main-article&article_id=14589&race_id=582

[vittorio]

MY PHOTO

http://www.vittoriosanguineti.it/RALLY2008/GRECIA_2008/index.html

GOOD VISION

[dimviii]

nice photos vittorio :)

[Lulu1988]

Maybe someone will still see my pics :)

http://canon-board.info/showthread.php?t=27770&page=5

[Xsara-WRC]

Maybe someone will still see my pics :)

http://canon-board.info/showthread.php?t=27770&page=5


Bardzo fajne fotki Lucas ;)

Dziękuję !

[Lulu1988]

wow, nie spodziewałem się odpowiedzi w ojczystym języku :) p.s. Lucas to tak, żeby wszyscy przeczytali - wolę prawdziwego polskiego Łukasza ;)

[Xsara-WRC]

wow, nie spodziewałem się odpowiedzi w ojczystym języku :) p.s. Lucas to tak, żeby wszyscy przeczytali - wolę prawdziwego polskiego Łukasza ;)


To wiem dobrze, Ł. L ale też nie jest w. Moja żona jest Polski ;)

PS: mogę link do zdjęcia na forum moje posty Łukasza ?

[Lulu1988]

przepraszam, ale nie bardzo zrozumiałem o co chodzi w P.S. :(

[Xsara-WRC]

przepraszam, ale nie bardzo zrozumiałem o co chodzi w P.S. :(

Ps byłoby powiedzieć, popyt ;)

[Lulu1988]

niestety dalej nie łapię....może napisz jeszcze raz o co chodzi...in english? ;)

[Xsara-WRC]

Private Message for you ;)

[Keio_Kaljumäe]

Has anybody got pictures from Conrad Rautenbach, Martin Prokop, and Urmo Aava in large formats? If anybody have them please send them to my e-mail address [email:ub85szf0]keiokaljumae@gmail.com[/email:ub85szf0]
Thanks for your attention :)

[kleisj]

I have quite a few of them I think. But would be easier to send you a cd than an email , considering each photo is around 4-5 mb