2008 Acropolis Rally - official thread

[Tom206wrc]

OK let's see tomorrow on the 6 other stages(especially the 30km long ones)what happens ;)

[paddocknews]

Aava take his first stage win on SS7

[Tomi]

Aava has been doing a good job

[playmo]

Aava take his first stage win on SS7

i'm betting on him being world champion in 2 years, seems he could match (and pass) JML and Loeb next year...

[COD]

Aava has been doing a good job

Yes great to see, specially as he has been trying to get to the top for so long. Hope he will be the new Markko.

[Doon]

i'm betting on him being world champion in 2 years, seems he could match (and pass) JML and Loeb next year...

Hold your horses mate!

He's good but not that quick! Seems to be on the same kind of pace as Matt Wilson most of the time.

[Tomi]

Yes great to see, specially as he has been trying to get to the top for so long. Hope he will be the new Markko.

Same here, i think he has good chances to be in top 5 in Jyskälä, if Citroen gives him a proper car..

[wwbroe]

He is most off the time quite a bit faster then Wilson, and i mean not only in this rally. He is doing fine job the last couple of rally's. ;)

[tmx]

i'm betting on him being world champion in 2 years, seems he could match (and pass) JML and Loeb next year...

I don't think so, but maybe if he gets good results there will be future for him with Citreon factory team. I said this since he is definitely quicker than Wilson and Rautenbach from my view. But by then (2012) things will begin to change, we don't know yet how it's going to be.

btw, that is a special stage he won, wilson won a special stage as well.

[playmo]

Nope, i betting hard on him, how many oouting does he have on a WRCar? and he's on that pace already? how many outings on a WRCar did JML got before setting top 3 times ?
I'm being optimistic, but he (along JML and Sordo) might bring interest to the top of the leaderboard in a year and a half or so.
And JML is out of the road often eversince....

[playmo]

movin' on...
Seems that Atcko is having a harder time on this impreza than Petter, but that road position for Petter for tomorrow might prove crucial for his result (i suspect a DNF).
What the hell those Citroen are made of?! well i hope that Dani's won't break, as for loeb i would not mind if the had another "encounter" with Rautenbach. =)

[tmx]

You can't defend Atkinson all the time.

[Tomi]

It should be quite easy for the Ford guys to get in top 4 tomorrow, to catch Loeb and Sordo is i belive too difficult.

[Helstar]

i'm betting on him being world champion in 2 years, seems he could match (and pass) JML and Loeb next year...
lol get real mate... 2 years ? As a privateer too ? No way

Just saw the Gigi accident... this is totally unluck, and it's so depressing to see that only Ford people get these stones in the middle of the road, or maybe the C4 are actually tanks, I dunno... "I can't believe it !" (as Gigi and Giovanni shout in the car too after the crash).

[DonJippo]

It should be quite easy for the Ford guys to get in top 4 tomorrow, to catch Loeb and Sordo is i belive too difficult.

Right Loeb and Sordo are too far away but others as you said should be quite easy to pass.

[playmo]

Obviuosly not as a privateer, with that pace he could get an official seat by that time

[bluuford]

Tomorrow will be long day as well day after tomorrow. I think that we have one of the longest and toughest Sunday experienced this year ! So, Loeb has to clean a road at least two days. During the first day Latvala will be second on the road and most probably third on the road on Sunday - that makes a lot of difference on Sunday. I think that second place is possible for Latvala and third is possible for Mikko. To take into account the tactical games we can expect Mikko to be on the second place and Latvala third by the end of rally :-) If Sordo is second on the road on Sunday then I cannot see him in top 3. 4th will be the best I guess.
but..

Tomorrow will be very rough day and we might see handful of surprises! I expect only leader to be on the same position as at the on of Day 1:-)

[COD]

Tomorrow will be long day as well day after tomorrow. I think that we have one of the longest and toughest Sunday experienced this year ! So, Loeb has to clean a road at least two days. During the first day Latvala will be second on the road and most probably third on the road on Sunday - that makes a lot of difference on Sunday. I think that second place is possible for Latvala and third is possible for Mikko. To take into account the tactical games we can expect Mikko to be on the second place and Latvala third by the end of rally :-) If Sordo is second on the road on Sunday then I cannot see him in top 3. 4th will be the best I guess.
but..

Tomorrow will be very rough day and we might see handful of surprises! I expect only leader to be on the same position as at the on of Day 1:-)

Good analysis, although I think Latvala will finish ahead of Mikko. The big but is the conditions

[SubaruNorway]

Funny clip from the press conference..

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=310&featureid=496&desc=Greece%202008:%20Drivers%20Press%20Conference %20Day%20One

Is it just me or is Petter making a gesture at Loeb's beard at 1:05? :D

[J.Lindstroem]

What do you guys think of the pace of the new Impreza? I think it's strange that people hav'nt discussed that on here that much... =)

[SubaruNorway]

What do you guys think of the pace of the new Impreza? I think it's strange that people hav'nt discussed that on here that much... =)

Uhm not worse than the old one hehe. No, looks promising i think. Bit sceptical at first, but in the end i think they've mad the right desition to get it out this earlie.

[J.Lindstroem]

Uhm not worse than the old one hehe. No, looks promising i think. Bit sceptical at first, but in the end i think they've mad the right desition to get it out this earlie.

I think it feels good, off course it is hard to say after just one day but it seems like the car has no small gremlins everywhere like the old one. I just hope Petter could have this third place now. He really really deserve it, im sure that a place on the podium could pull up his confidence.

I want the old Petter back now, it has been a while!

[kleisj]

Got back an hour ago! Interesting first day. Surprisingly not good for Ford team though...
I was at ss1 Shimatari1 and ss4 Shimatari2. Latvala was the most spectacular.... specially in the morning stage. And Aava in the afternoon stage was very fast and very spectacular. Unfortunately was the only one that I didnt take pictures of him...! grrr!
Too much dust and too many rocks. Too much dust made it difficult for the spectators. Too many rocks made it difficult for the drivers specially the Ford drivers.
It was great to see Peter produce good stage times and I will not be surprised if tomorrow wins a couple of them. He was good old Hollywood in the Super special. 2 secs faster than Seb. And then Aava came to get the stage win!!! Ultra fast as well.

It was very unfortunate to see All 3 official Fords go slow. Hirvo , Latvala, Al Quasimy. Also Atko had damage at his front right suspension.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/Acropolis%2008%20Day%201/DSC_1039.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/Acropolis%2008%20Day%201/DSC_1009.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e218/Kleis/Acropolis%2008%20Day%201/DSC_1008.jpg

Two days remaining for fighting. Seb will do the sweeping but I don't know how much flat out driving can be done on the bad stages from the Ford guys. We' ll see tomorrow. I certainly didn't expect the stages to be that bad. Maybe the organizers need to think seriously for next year going back to the traditional stages around Lamia area.

The first crews of PWRC were really good to watch and also Sandel with the amazing 207. Prokop in the morning was the fastest until the point we timed him. Aigner was very good and ofcours Ketomaa and Hanninen. But also I really liked Sousa. Very spectacular and fast driving. I don't know about his times but was really nice to watch him!

Tomorrow night the day 2 debrief! hehehe

900 photos in two days and counting....! If anyone has any preferred driver request send me a pm.

[Tomi]

I think also it was the right choise to launch it now, but im not so confident that it will be a winner car.

[bt52b]

I think it feels good, off course it is hard to say after just one day but it seems like the car has no small gremlins everywhere like the old one. I just hope Petter could have this third place now. He really really deserve it, im sure that a place on the podium could pull up his confidence.

I want the old Petter back now, it has been a while!

At the end of one of the stages today, it sounded like Petter may have had a slightly soft brake pedal, but he wouldn't say anything....

They said they wouldn't bring it out till it was right, so doesn't that means it should be doing fastest times soon, and wins before the end of the year?

It looks like the development rate on this car should be alot faster than the old one.

Have they even started tarmac testing yet?

[COD]

What do you guys think of the pace of the new Impreza? I think it's strange that people hav'nt discussed that on here that much... =)

Well it hasn't proven to be rally winning material, but I would wait until Finland to make any conclusions. The positive thing so far is that Petter hasn't cryed yet :D

[bluuford]

Give some time to Subaru. It is not easy to come out with a completely new car to a rally like a Greece. The time loss for stage winner is not so bad at all.
SS1 0,8 s/km
SS2 0,49 s/km
SS3 0,62 s/km
The most important is that the car is consistent. Petter had realy interesting split times with old car. At the start of the stage he had superb splits and at the end the time was nightmare. now the time is getting better as the stage progresses.
Someone was waiting analysis about Subaru, Here are the result for afternoon stages (Solberg).
SS4 0,86 s/km
SS5 0,76 s/km (Atko 0,55 s/km) Solberg probably had a problem on that one
SS6 0,53 s/km
SS7 0,52 s/km
Total: 0,54 s/km
Well, I think that the first win for the new car will be in next 5-6 events:-)
The competition is really intense between Ford and Citroen and cannot be compared to that when Ford introduced their new car and Citroen introduced their new car. I think the car is very good.. just needs to be fine tuned.

[Tomi]

Someone was waiting analysis about Subaru, Here are the result for afternoon stages (Solberg).
SS4 0,86 s/km
SS5 0,76 s/km (Atko 0,55 s/km) Solberg probably had a problem on that one
SS6 0,53 s/km
SS7 0,52 s/km
Total: 0,54 s/km
Well, I think that the first win for the new car will be in next 5-6 events:-)
The competition is really intense between Ford and Citroen and cannot be compared to that when Ford introduced their new car and Citroen introduced their new car. I think the car is very good.. just needs to be fine tuned.

0,5 sec/km actually is very much to catch, especially when 0,5 sec is not the whole truth, the guys lost that much even they had quite optimal starting positions.

[pettersolberg29]

I don't know if people have got this yet (ignore if you have), but the starting order for tomorrow doesn't include the SSS - therefore the Fords do not have a great road position, while Petter and Henning have better positions. This is the start order as far as I know:

Loeb
Latvala
Sordo
Hirvonen
Petter
Henning
Aava
Atkinson

I expect Latvala to struggle 2nd on the road, although Mikko should get third quickly.
Aava and Henning should have a good battle with Petter for 4th.

[Koppomsbo]

lets hope Hennning can use his road positon then :)

[Gard]

0,5 sec/km actually is very much to catch, especially when 0,5 sec is not the whole truth, the guys lost that much even they had quite optimal starting positions.

Actually 0.5 sec/km is better than expected. And they have gone from 0.9sec/km to 0.5 in the first day. In addition the 0.5 sec/km is coming without the road position advantage they had in the first loop.

[pettersolberg29]

Hope not much happens tomorrow morning - can't be bothered to get up before 9 on a Saturday!

SS1 is at 7:58 GMT
SS2 is at 8:41 GMT

[DonJippo]

Actually 0.5 sec/km is better than expected. And they have gone from 0.9sec/km to 0.5 in the first day. In addition the 0.5 sec/km is coming without the road position advantage they had in the first loop.

This +0.5 sec/km makes 3 to 4 minutes on full distance, how much where they normally behind with the old one?

[jparker]

Patric Sandell's car is faster (more power), no question about it. It's easy to distinguish the difference when mixed up with Gr.N cars. I guess it's only luck of consistency in driving that prevents Patrik Sandell from dominating the production group.
The Suzuki's are looking a lot better this time, but still not good enough to get into the game. I don't know why, but it looks like both Suzuki are bouncing to much on the rocky sections.
Terrible access to SSS, 60 min just to get in the parking area. I don't understand the organizers, what's the point of designating huge parking lot, when only one entrance exist. Probably half of the visitors missed the start of the SSS.

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=320&fotograf=2&all=1
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/wrc/gr/pl_a_3_wilson_1.jpg

[tmx]

Aava and Henning should have a good battle with Petter for 4th.
I bet petter will stay or be on the podium by end of day two, let's see how it goes.

[grugsticles]

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=320&fotograf=2&all=1
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/wrc/gr/pl_a_3_wilson_1.jpg
What a fantastic photo! To bad its of Wilson:P

[J.Lindstroem]

God Morning everyone! Is anybody awake this early? Byt the wa, is there a live splits site on this rally? I see the regular ones don't work!

[MikeD]

God Morning everyone! Is anybody awake this early? Byt the wa, is there a live splits site on this rally? I see the regular ones don't work!

Those on wrc.com works.

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=409&season=2008&rally_id=GR

[White Sauron]

God Morning everyone! Is anybody awake this early? Byt the wa, is there a live splits site on this rally? I see the regular ones don't work!

Morning! Here you are: http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=409&season=2008&rally_id=GR

[Tom206wrc]

Patric Sandell's car is faster (more power), no question about it. It's easy to distinguish the difference when mixed up with Gr.N cars. I guess it's only luck of consistency in driving that prevents Patrik Sandell from dominating the production group.
...




Torque is more important than power especially on such terrain(rough gravel), and S2000s haven't turbos, so less torque... :rolleyes:

[J.Lindstroem]

So they work now? Great!

[John V]

God Morning everyone! Is anybody awake this early? Byt the wa, is there a live splits site on this rally? I see the regular ones don't work!
Morning, first stage of today started 8:58 GMT+1 (DST) :) Splits are working, first two cars already left into stage 8, the hardest one.

[White Sauron]

Mmm, hat off for Loeb, he's first and driving faster than so-called "superflying" Latvala.

[MikeD]

Loeb is quick out of the "box". 1 sec faster than Latvala on split 1.

PS: I have a feeling that Sordo is going to win his first rally this weekend. Am I the only one?

[John V]

As I see who's here, I have to say Hej, Bon jour and Zdravstvujte at least ;)

[Timole]

As I see who's here, I have to say Hej, Bon jour and Zdravstvujte at least ;)

And also tere hommikust which is in estonian.

[White Sauron]

Hyvaa huomenta suomalaisille! ;)

[White Sauron]

Mmm, Fords are not fast... While Subaru...

[jonkka]

Only East Europeans are awake yet? + 1 Dane...

[Timole]

Only East Europeans are awake yet? + 1 Dane...

Only the true fans! lol

[White Sauron]

By the way, not Acropolis-related question, mates.
We all can see old Xsaras and even C4-s now in private hands. There's a huge amount of Fords, 06, 03-04, 02 etc in private hands...
But can we see old Impreza anymore? Or is it gone as soon as Subaru is using the new model?

[White Sauron]

Only East Europeans are awake yet? + 1 Dane...

yap, the strongest rally nations.

[J.Lindstroem]

Petter is very fast. He is on course to the fastest time! =)

[SubaruNorway]

Come on Petter!!! :D

[jonkka]

Only the true fans! lol

I was referring to geographical location and shorter time gap to Greece... maybe others wake up in few hours... :)

[jonkka]

But can we see old Impreza anymore? Or is it gone as soon as Subaru is using the new model?

There is one Impreza 555 on entry list...

[Timole]

By the way, not Acropolis-related question, mates.
We all can see old Xsaras and even C4-s now in private hands. There's a huge amount of Fords, 06, 03-04, 02 etc in private hands...
But can we see old Impreza anymore? Or is it gone as soon as Subaru is using the new model?

For sure it would be nice but impreza isn´t as popular in private hands.

[John V]

I was referring to geographical location and shorter time gap to Greece... maybe others wake up in few hours... :)
So I'm curious for tomorrow morning, who will wake up early! I will ;)

[jonkka]

So I'm curious for tomorrow morning, who will wake up early! I will ;)

Me too...

[White Sauron]

For sure it would be nice but impreza isn´t as popular in private hands.

Yes, and it's easy to understand. But the point is if it's crap, it's cheaper, and easier for privateers to buy/rent this car. So in some way chosing the Impreza might be more preferrable for small teams than participating in "deforced" Fords (and we know that private Focuses aren't the same as the works ones), expensive Citroens and so on.l

[Tom206wrc]

Problem for Aava !!! :(

[jonkka]

Aava is losing time... :eek:

[Timole]

Yes, and it's easy to understand. But the point is if it's crap, it's cheaper, and easier for privateers to buy/rent this car. So in some way chosing the Impreza might be more preferrable for small teams than participating in "deforced" Fords (and we know that private Focuses aren't the same as the works ones), expensive Citroens and so on.l

I think Östberg proved last season that an impreza in private hands can work nicely without major problems.

[White Sauron]

I think Östberg proved last season that an impreza in private hands can work nicely without major problems.

Yes. So why don't we see much of them? Is it somehow related to Subaru politics?

[jonkka]

Aava isn't losing any more, probably changed a puncture.

[Tom206wrc]

Maybe a puncture for Aava :confused:


Edit: Jonkka was faster than me :mark:

[Timole]

Yes. So why don't we see much of them? Is it somehow related to Subaru politics?

I wouldn´t say that, cause there are quite a lot of imprezas in ireland, but somhow m-sport has handed out more focuses. but it all depands on little thing at the end of the day.

[Tom206wrc]

Latvala ??? :confused:


Edit: OK no problem...

[jonkka]

Latvala has finished, just no time yet

[duff]

Could be heading for a Subie 1-2 n the stage?

[jonkka]

Hehe, vysledky-rally.cz greets us! Thanks boys!

[Karbonyl]

But can we see old Impreza anymore?Yes, all of all Imprezas are on Irish Tarmac :D

[Tom206wrc]

OK soon the PWRC will have their splits now ;)


Go Sandell :bounce:

[J.Lindstroem]

Did you guys here those words from Petter on the radio? "I can promise you we have a lot of interesting things to come"

Sounds great doesnt it!!

[duff]

looks like first stage win for the new WRX

[duff]

Oops, missed the final time!

[jonkka]

Galli is back in the game as well!

[malscar]

How long before J-M gets Petter?

[SubaruNorway]

Wierd that both the Subaru's lost so much on the final split, Petter 8 to Latvala?

[rp]

Have to say that Urmo Aava is one of the unluckiest driver. There is always some problems for him...

[Tom206wrc]

No Sandell at start ???? :confused:

[John V]

Hehe, vysledky-rally.cz greets us! Thanks boys!
I'm in very good mood this morning :)

[jonkka]

I'm in very good mood this morning :)

I wonder why, the only Czech crew is Prokop and he isn't exactly winning the rally. You had fun with your wife then, I suppose... :)

[Viking]

Yes, all of all Imprezas are on Irish Tarmac :D

The rest of them are in Østberg garage, the one he is using now should be a "new" one.

[jonkka]

Loeb vs Latvala splits jump all over the place, from -0.2 at first to +0.5 at second and -4.3 at third... :eek:

[John V]

I wonder why, the only Czech crew is Prokop and he isn't exactly winning the rally. You had fun with your wife then, I suppose... :)
Respect my privacy please ;) I'n real, my older son still disturbing me from listening WRR and placing infos into results system :)
Btw. we have CZ championship race today, Kopecky is leading (live results we have here: http://mmcr.vysledky-rally.cz/rallysport/2008/mcr/hustopece/

[Tom206wrc]

No Rautenbach anymore... :mark:


News about Sandell ??? :confused:

[jonkka]

Respect my privacy please ;)

Of course but only because you're not Max Mosley... :)


we have CZ championship race today, Kopecky is leading

So that's the real (or official) reason for happiness. But here is another: Rautenbach is out? :eek:

[paddocknews]

atko have electrical failure...

[jonkka]

Correction, Rautenbach is not out but just slow...

[Kamikaze]

Loeb vs Latvala splits jump all over the place, from -0.2 at first to +0.5 at second and -4.3 at third... :eek:

And now to -21,6 !!!! :eek:

[jonkka]

Latvala 21.6 secs faster than Loeb at final split? :eek:

[jonkka]

Sordo takes the lead...

[Viking]

Loeb is loosing time :eek:

[tmx]

Latvala is 34seconds faster than Loeb on stage 9, not sure if Loeb hit some problems.

[KKS]

With this pace JML - soon go off... Because his drive is very angry

[jonkka]

Latvala is 34seconds faster than Loeb on stage 9, not sure if Loeb hit some problems.

Must be problems, it'd be foolish to play tactical games this early...

[jonkka]

Anything on WRR why Loeb's time was that bad?

[tmx]

With this pace JML - soon go off... Because his drive is very angry

angry must be his usual daily mood than.

update: hirvonen rear right suspension damage ss9. loeb possibly puncture.

[jonkka]

Mikko has problems as well

[MikeD]

Broken susspension for Hirvonen

[jonkka]

Broken susspension for Hirvonen

Too bad, one short stage and liaison to service...

[Viking]

that could be big problems for Mikko with one more stage to go.

[jonkka]

But where is Atkinson?

[MikeD]

Loeb has had a puncture

[jonkka]

His electrical problem has proved terminal?

[John V]

His electrical problem has proved terminal?
He still trying to fix it, but seem at least he will be late into TC (hopefully only this :( )

[Viking]

Atko seems to be out soon, electrical problems

[paddocknews]

car starting problems

[tmx]

first problem for the new subaru. hope petter car will not have same problem. his pace has improved today, with loeb dropping back a bit, he could be fighting for the top spots if the car kept going consistent.

this seem to be an interesting rally, and once again pirelli...

[Mauri A]

first problem for the new subaru. hope petter car will not have same problem. his pace has improved today, with loeb dropping back a bit, he could be fighting for the top spots if the car kept going consistent.

this seem to be an interesting rally, and once again pirelli...

Survival game, as always in Acropolis.

[KKS]

Atko seems to be out soon, electrical problems

I remember, Petter have electrical problem at Argentina on his S12B.

[grugsticles]

SS9 - Loab 34 seconds off Latvala's pace - puncture?

[paddocknews]

SS9 - Loab 34 seconds off Latvala's pace - puncture?

yes and atko stopped on stage

[Viking]

Very good time from Aava! also Henning is fighting this time :up:

[jonkka]

Without puncture, Aava would be on good position now...

[jonkka]

Vovos is dropping, has he stopped completely?

[KKS]

Looks like Galli win stage

[cut the b.s.]

http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=320&fotograf=2&all=1
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2008/wrc/gr/pl_a_3_wilson_1.jpg

cool picture, Wilson overtaken by his own dust :-)

[KKS]

Looks like Galli win stage

yep

[COD]

Loeb has had a puncture

This is the great thing about not having mousse tyres. Nobody can just safeguard their lead, no matter how strong it is. Thank you FIA for changing the rules :)

[jonkka]

I think it results too much of a lottery...

[GallardoGT]

Does somebody know if today they have the same extreme narrow sections with a lot of tight corners as yesterday, I saw it this night on Eurosport. It seems a lot of drivers didn’t like those swinging sections, like Hirvonen.

I have the idea and I’m not kidding, that a few of the drivers have to practice more on the Richard Burns Rally Simulator and push on the limit more on stages like Tanner and Harwood Forest. RBR lovers know what I’m talking about.

[sagsert]

I have the idea and I’m not kidding, that a few of the drivers have to practice more on the Richard Burns Rally Simulator and push on the limit more on stages like Tanner and Harwood Forest. RBR lovers know what I’m talking about.

There is a bit of difference between slinging your armchair in your living room and a 2800 pound rally car, so practicing on RBR is rather irrelevant. Of course if you wanna practice in front of your TV and pretend to rally more power to you. Nothing can replace seat time.

[duff]

I think it results too much of a lottery...

True but I'd rather a lottery than the same old easy win for Loeb ;)

[SubaruNorway]

Does somebody know if today they have the same extreme narrow sections with a lot of tight corners as yesterday, I saw it this night on Eurosport. It seems a lot of drivers didn’t like those swinging sections, like Hirvonen.

I have the idea and I’m not kidding, that a few of the drivers have to practice more on the Richard Burns Rally Simulator and push on the limit more on stages like Tanner and Harwood Forest. RBR lovers know what I’m talking about.

Stage summaries
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=1406&desc=Stage%20summaries%20-%20Acropolis%20day%20two

If they drove like you have to on Tanner they would knock thier wheels off i think lol

[duff]

I have the idea and I’m not kidding, that a few of the drivers have to practice more on the Richard Burns Rally Simulator and push on the limit more on stages like Tanner and Harwood Forest. RBR lovers know what I’m talking about.

I've spent a lot of time playing RBR AND rallying in real life. RBR is fun and in a way good practice, but the skill needed is nothing compared to doing the real thing. Not to mention its a whole different story when you make a mistake IRL compared to RBR!!

[pettersolberg29]

Any chance for Petter to win?

If Loeb has more trouble, and Sordo leads into tomorrow, road position could give Sordo a disadvantage which Petter or JML could take advantage of?

[Corny]

I don't think he's up to the Citroen/Ford's speed yet.. And I don't think he's going to risk anything tomorrow, Imagine he would go off on the last day when lying on a podiumposition

[Viking]

Any chance for Petter to win?

If Loeb has more trouble, and Sordo leads into tomorrow, road position could give Sordo a disadvantage which Petter or JML could take advantage of?

There is always a chance in Acropolis, but Sordo has really improved on gravel!

[bt52b]

Atko got going again, SuperRally'd, now 12th, +6.31

It was the starter motor that jammed

[Timole]

Atko got going again, SuperRally'd, now 12th, +6.31

Atko retired for todaY and will restart tomorrow.

[jonkka]

Mikko is losing time... survival to the service...

[Viking]

Atko got going again, SuperRally'd, now 12th, +6.31

that is 1.31 + 5min, he is out for the day

[pettersolberg29]

Loeb's beating everyone on SS10!

Must be a clean road!

[Viking]

Mikko loosing more than a minute on this one! Petter will run in his dust.

[pettersolberg29]

But Hirvonen is suffering!

[jonkka]

A minute? Mikko...

[pettersolberg29]

Yeah - isnt there some rule where if you are disturbed by the driver in front, you get a reduced time?
Surely Mikko's dust is disturbing Petter.

[paddocknews]

A minute? Mikko...

Reported rear right suspension damage and brakes

[pettersolberg29]

Solberg ended up finsishing 7 secs behind Mikko! That's some dust...

[KKS]

nooo Mikko's dust

[jonkka]

Reported rear right suspension damage and brakes

I know

[jonkka]

Solberg ended up finsishing 7 secs behind Mikko! That's some dust...

I think they are on 3min intervals

[John V]

Yeah - isnt there some rule where if you are disturbed by the driver in front, you get a reduced time?
Surely Mikko's dust is disturbing Petter.
No, it's a part of rally.

[GallardoGT]

I've spent a lot of time playing RBR AND rallying in real life. RBR is fun and in a way good practice, but the skill needed is nothing compared to doing the real thing. Not to mention its a whole different story when you make a mistake IRL compared to RBR!!

Duff, that’s nice to read that RBR is also in a good way to practice but I understand the real thing is an other world. Maybe also understanding pacenotes, if you don’t know the stages it soo difficult even with RBR.

Sagsert, RBR is not an arcade game,it quite a rallysimulator and if you ‘play’ and not drive it If you will, you can understand much better what rally driving is about. I don’t say how it is to be rallydriver, only to understand it better.

Thanks Subarunorway1 for the link, maybe we can conclude that both Tanner and yesterdays stages are extreme difficult ;-)

[pettersolberg29]

Well that's unfair - sulk :(

Now JML is guaranteed third. Is there still a small disadvanatge for Loeb running first, or has that now gone?

[jonkka]

Now JML is guaranteed third. Is there still a small disadvanatge for Loeb running first, or has that now gone?

JML was sure to get past Petter at any rate, he had halved the deficit in just two stages. Loeb will still suffer a little during the re-runs but since JML is 2nd on the road and Petter 5th, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out.

Also bear in mind that tomorrow is not just mickey mouse, it's as long day as today.

[pettersolberg29]

Maybe dropping to fourth could be an advatage for Petter in the running order for tomorrow? Interesting to see if Ford or Subaru drop time delibarately - if both do and Henning overtakes that would be ironic!

Still dreaming of a Solberg 1-2!

On another note, another good result for Villagra here in Greece.

[Viking]

JML was sure to get past Petter at any rate, he had halved the deficit in just two stages. Loeb will still suffer a little during the re-runs but since JML is 2nd on the road and Petter 5th, it'll be interesting to see how it turns out.

Also bear in mind that tomorrow is not just mickey mouse, it's as long day as today.

If you look at the splits Petter has been on Latvalas pace on most of them, so I think it is closer than it seems :up:

[tmx]

I didn't expect Petter to lose that much time in 10km, and I think he would have to fight hard for his third place now, Latvala is really hauling.

-
About rbr, these guys drives for the their entire life since they were young with a lot of experiences, there are no reason they need to play RBR. Even driving on snowy road in real life for me is very different experience. Ofcourse the game really help me articulate my driving, but I think if any of these drivers competing in the WRC depending on a video game.... it's just a very ridiculous and absurd idea, beside this game is very geared toward Richard driving style, which actually isn't my style actually so I sort of struggle with the game. Don't get me wrong I love the game.

Ofcourse Henning Solberg played rbr for the first time on frazer well and made 2:00. And Loeb played Lemans on his PS2 before he went to take 2nd place at Lemans, but that's more to get used to the track layout.

[sagsert]

Solberg lost a lot of time in Hirvonen's dust, as he very elegantly put "it is rallying" when there is really no safe place to pass you just suck it up and avoid wrecking the car. Seemingly the new Impreza is better than it's predecessor or more competitive against the Citroens and Fords. I hope Petter does well, 'cause he really deserves a good result after sucking it up and taking it like a man with the Old Boat. OTOH, Atkinson's starter problem is very odd. According to Colin, they did not seem too pressed to fix the damn thing, they didn't even try to jarr the car to have the starter skip a tooth or seven, very odd, I have overloaded starters before but never DNF'd because of one, even in my temperamental Mitsu with odd ball engine managements and Estonian wiring SNAFU.

IMHO no matter how sophisticated or advanced they appear video games are simply games. Things are very different in real life. Want proof, spend a few hundreds of thousands of bucks and go rally, then tell me if you had time to play a game or you would exchange any extra time you can scrape working on the car for sitting in front of your TV with a joystick in your hand,

[Tomi]

Does anyone know what the driving order if both S1600 and PWRC is in the same event?

[pettersolberg29]

I think PWRC is first.

[Tomi]

I think PWRC is first.

ok thats good thanks.

[GallardoGT]

Petter is doing very well and the new Subaru can be a winner imo in the near future.

Last thing about RBR, not to be too much of topic. Yes I never tried a real rallycar and I’m sure I will be surprised about the real thing but … then I’m not changing from joystick to a rallywheel. No, now I have a real Logitech G25 Wheel, he, he!!

[jonkka]

Does anyone know what the driving order if both S1600 and PWRC is in the same event?

There is no rule for that. Drivers in both categories are P3 drivers so they are seeded after P1/P2 and before non-seeded but other than that, I think it's up to stewards. On gravel it's safe to assume that PWRC would be seeded first but on tarmac it as well might be other way around.

[Tomi]

There is no rule for that. Drivers in both categories are P3 drivers so they are seeded after P1/P2 and before non-seeded but other than that, I think it's up to stewards. On gravel it's safe to assume that PWRC would be seeded first but on tarmac it as well might be other way around.

Ahaa ok, im just looking how to plan Jyskälä, it would be good to know.

[jonkka]

Here we go again!

[jonkka]

Ahaa ok, im just looking how to plan Jyskälä, it would be good to know.

I think it's quite safe assumption that it's the 20 first P1/P2 crews, then PWRC, then JWRC and then the rest.

[Viking]

Slow first split from J-M

[jonkka]

And more so... :eek:

[Tomi]

I think it's quite safe assumption that it's the 20 first P1/P2 crews, then PWRC, then JWRC and then the rest.

Yes it makes sence, i was just thinking if there is some rule.

[jonkka]

Ford drivers hit problems alternatively...

[Viking]

He seems to be loosing 5s/km, that will sum up to a lot!

[ZequeArgentina]

JML introubles, but Sorodo is confirming his better pace in gravel, buiding a lead for tomorrow starting first on the road?

[jonkka]

JML introubles, but Sorodo is confirming his better pace in gravel, buiding a lead for tomorrow starting first on the road?

No 4th split for Dani?

[jonkka]

Neither 5th? :eek:

[Viking]

and Petter is closing in on Loeb :eek:

[Leon]

is sordo out?

[jonkka]

No, his splits just didn't show

[ZequeArgentina]

looks like slow splits.
No Villagra on the list (he was doing an OK rally running 6 and faster than Wilson, battling with the Suzukis)

[alleskids]

Loeb has an other flat tyre ? Sordo is smelling his first WRC win. Especially now that the Ford boys hit trouble.

[jonkka]

If Dani will be allowed to win, it would be especially fitting that he would score his maiden win in Acropolis. Does anyone know why?

[JRodrigues]

Loeb is playing smart.. His tires are a lot better than Dani's.. That could be crucial for the next 2 special stages.

[noel157]

If Dani will be allowed to win, it would be especially fitting that he would score his maiden win in Acropolis. Does anyone know why?


Wild guess, first S1600 win?

[alleskids]

If Dani will be allowed to win, it would be especially fitting that he would score his maiden win in Acropolis. Does anyone know why?


... because his girl friend is from Greece?
... he lost his virginity on a holiday in Greece?

[Viking]

Sordo is in, but with tyre-problems for the next stages. Maybe just another smart move from Loeb, slow on this and fast on the next.

[jonkka]

... because his girl friend is from Greece?
... he lost his virginity on a holiday in Greece?

Heh, no... Or, rather, I do not know if it's so... :)

[jonkka]

Wild guess, first S1600 win?

Good try but no, Sordo's maiden S1600 win was in Sardinia 2005.

[jonkka]

Anyone else? Or do I give a hint...

[Viking]

Well Henning is now best Ford by far, and driving wery well :up:

[ZequeArgentina]

looks like slow splits.
No Villagra on the list (he was doing an OK rally running 6 and faster than Wilson, battling with the Suzukis)

Pitty:
31. 05. 14:51 RZ 11 M A8 VILLAGRA F. / MARIA VOLTA J. (st. č. 9) Poškozený podvozek / Reported broken suspension

He was doing OK.
Thanks for the complete info to "Vysledky"!!!!!!!!!!!

[jonkka]

Ok, first hint will come in 60 seconds

[noel157]

Hint please.

[White Sauron]

Anyone else? Or do I give a hint...

Was it announced there that he would replace Pons in Kronos alongside Loeb?

[jonkka]

Hint #1: The importance is not related to Dani himself but to an compatriot.

[jonkka]

Was it announced there that he would replace Pons in Kronos alongside Loeb?

Hmmm, good guess too but not what I am after. Can't say that your guess is wrong, though.

[noel157]

Matador's last WRC appearance.

[jonkka]

Matador's last WRC appearance.

Getting close but no, el Matador's last WRC event was ... (checking) ... oh... that TOO is correct though not exactly what I am after. 9 points for that answer!

[White Sauron]

I think Latvala should use SupeRally to lose less time...

[noel157]

Getting close but no, el Matador's last WRC event was ... (checking) ... oh... that TOO is correct though not exactly what I am after. 9 points for that answer!

Last win.

[jonkka]

Last win.

Closer and yet further. That is incorrect. Combine Sainz, win and first and you get it. Acropolis 1990.

[noel157]

So no cigar? :)

[jonkka]

Carlos Sainz took his maiden win in 1990 Acropolis, first for him and first for Spain in WRC. As Dani is his protege, it would be quite appropriate to commemorate that feat by repeating it 18 years later, would it not?

[jonkka]

So no cigar? :)

Heh, you were so close that if I had cigar, you'd get it. Congrats!

[noel157]

It would be very appropriate but I suspect P2 will be his final position. Whatever the outcome I'm impressed with his performance, ok Ford helped but a mature drive so far.

[ZequeArgentina]

anyway, it seems someone here was right, Loeb save tyres and is gaining time now!!

EDIT: Also Sordo should be bothered by Latvala´s dust

[c4]

delete

[Viking]

Loeb is on a big push now, way faster than first time here!

[jonkka]

It would be very appropriate but I suspect P2 will be his final position.

I am afraid so. It would be a feat to beat Loeb but almost impossible that team would allow that result stand.

[Tom206wrc]

Is Sordo disturbed by Latvala ??? He lost much on split 3... :confused:

[jonkka]

Yup, and Loeb is back in lead now...

[ZequeArgentina]

PWRC NEWS!!!!
My candidate, and running first so far, Haninen seems to be in problems loosing much at the end of SS11!!

[jonkka]

Yup, and Loeb is back in lead now...

Not quite, Dani got some back towards the end

[jonkka]

And again I correct myself, I calculated it wrong ... Seb is leading...

[Tomi]

Hänninen perkele !!

[JRodrigues]

P. Solberg is best position for attack tomorrow. Let's see how it goes this last stage.

[jonkka]

Aava coming fast too

[jonkka]

But no P-G? :eek:

[Viking]

Aava!!!!!

[jonkka]

And no Slowson? :eek:

[HaCo]

Where's andersson? :(

[edacurf]

PWRC NEWS!!!!
My candidate, and running first so far, Haninen seems to be in problems loosing much at the end of SS11!!


AIGNER ANDY leads the PWRC
go go go go go go go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jaanus]

Before Colin said on radio that Urmo has big talent but not massive talent, well I would say he has massive talent :D

[KKS]

Tyre problem for Sordo or team tactic?

[muscrae]

Dust from Latvala....

[Viking]

Before Colin said on radio that Urmo has big talent but not massive talent, well I would say he has massive talent :D

Faster than Loeb on a stage were Loeb is pushing, I am impressed :up:

[pucky54]

Dust from Latvala....

Not really, he passed him between split 1 and two and lost much more time AFTER these splits

[muscrae]

hmmm...

[jonkka]

Not really, he passed him between split 1 and two and lost much more time AFTER these splits

I think that they are on 3 min intervals, hence the passing took place between 3rd and 4th splits...

[Viking]

Lets hope there still is something left of Petters tyres, the S14 is lookin better and better in his hands!

[pucky54]

I think that they are on 3 min intervals, hence the passing took place between 3rd and 4th splits...


ah okay.
What happened to PG, he didn't start into SS12?

[Tomi]

well done from Aava, Urmo,Urmo!!!!!!!!

[jonkka]

What happened to PG, he didn't start into SS12?

Don't know, no info has passed this far yet.

PS: Slowson got time and is 30sec behind Aava.

[pettersolberg29]

This could jinx everything, but I'm sure other Subaru fans are dreaming it as well!

If Petter can manage to end today in 3rd place, say 30 secs behind Loeb and 15 secs behind Sordo, could Subaru do the impossible and win with the Citroens disadvantaged by road position?

Or if he can get into 2nd, with Sordo continuing to lose time, so Petter's about 20 secs behind Loeb and a minute ahead of Sordo,then it could happen.

Worst would be if he ended about 40 secs behind Loeb and 5 secs ahead of Sordo because he would be caught up with his bad road position and couldnt get Loeb. This unfortunately is what I think will happen...

Much to think about.

[Burak]

How was Latvala 2nd on the road? He finished 6th place end of leg 1.
And How was Mikko 4th on the road? Can somebody explaine this?

[jonkka]

How was Latvala 2nd on the road? He finished 6th place end of leg 1.
And How was Mikko 4th on the road? Can somebody explaine this?

Because running order is based on classification after final stage, excluding Super Special Stage. Hence running order was classification after SS6, not after SSS7.

[jonkka]

Following that explanation, the second trivia of the day. Does anyone know why rule is like that?

[pettersolberg29]

If Aava didn't have a problem on SS8 where he lost 3:03, then he would be fourth, only 30 secs off the lead!

We have a new star on our hands!

[Viking]

How was Latvala 2nd on the road? He finished 6th place end of leg 1.
And How was Mikko 4th on the road? Can somebody explaine this?

Starting order is made before the last sss, then they were 2nd and 4th.

[pettersolberg29]

And in answer to the trivia: because it makes sense?

[Burak]

Because running order is based on classification after final stage, excluding Super Special Stage. Hence running order was classification after SS6, not after SSS7.
Thanks.

[Tom206wrc]

SS13 in about 30 minutes ;)

[Viking]

And in answer to the trivia: because it makes sense?

Because they dont want the frontrunners stopping on sss and making the show look bad.

[pettersolberg29]

^ That makes sense!

[pettersolberg29]

Interesting about Sordo on WWR.

If you didn't hear, then Sordo has two bad tyres i.e. punctures. He is driving to the next stage on a semi-flat tyre, changing it to a slightly more inflated tyre just before the stage, driving the stage with the flat tyre, then at the end, he has to use a slightly-inflated tyre to do the 60km back to service!
If at any point on a road section he has 3 tyres and a rim, then he has a 10 minute time penalty!
Exciting, no !

[John V]

Interesting about Sordo on WWR.

If you didn't hear, then Sordo has two bad tyres i.e. punctures. He is driving to the next stage on a semi-flat tyre, changing it to a slightly more inflated tyre just before the stage, driving the stage with the flat tyre, then at the end, he has to use a slightly-inflated tyre to do the 60km back to service!
If at any point on a road section he has 3 tyres and a rim, then he has a 10 minute time penalty!
Exciting, no !
Yes, because you not allowed to run on three wheels only. It's not question of Police this year, but rules so far.

[pettersolberg29]

Well I thought it was interesting ;)

[John V]

Well I thought it was interesting ;)
Of course. I think this is another explanation of way how Loeb do his own tactics, he 'sell' stage 11 to save tyres and have possibility to run faster on two remainings. Simply clever (not Skoda, which mean 'shame' in our language also) ;)

[Viking]

My guess is Loeb go flat out last stage, Sordo drops some seconds and petter has to choose if he want to be so close to Loeb as possible or starting 3rd tomorrow.

[Isthmus]

Interesting about Sordo on WWR.

If you didn't hear, then Sordo has two bad tyres i.e. punctures. He is driving to the next stage on a semi-flat tyre, changing it to a slightly more inflated tyre just before the stage, driving the stage with the flat tyre, then at the end, he has to use a slightly-inflated tyre to do the 60km back to service!
If at any point on a road section he has 3 tyres and a rim, then he has a 10 minute time penalty!
Exciting, no !

Not really. You want that the new Subaru gets a great result by the others bad luck, or because it is a competitive car? Even M.Wilson got nice result in some other rally...but still not competitive enough.

[Jaanus]

My guess is Loeb go flat out last stage, Sordo drops some seconds and petter has to choose if he want to be so close to Loeb as possible or starting 3rd tomorrow.

Driving on flat tyre Sordo willl loose some minutes plus destroys his car.

[John V]

Not really. You want that the new Subaru gets a great result by the others bad luck, or because it is a competitive car? Even M.Wilson got nice result in some other rally...but still not competitive enough.
But take a look here, I think it's better see numbers: http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/statistiky/?id=40&pos=4225
(first column is stage, second position on stage with lost to winner, third overall position with lost to leader)

[Viking]

Driving on flat tyre Sordo willl loose some minutes plus destroys his car.

Well hasnt Citroen hidden a guy there with a air-compressor :D

[jonkka]

Because they dont want the frontrunners stopping on sss and making the show look bad.

Exactly! Cigar goes to Viking!

[Viking]

Sordo, look for a guy in a red shirt and a whisteling sound :)

[Viking]

Exactly! Cigar goes to Viking!

No-smoker here, can I change it in a beer :beer:

[jonkka]

No-smoker here, can I change it in a beer :beer:

Sorry, no beer... :) I drank it all... :(