Daniel
7th April 2008, 06:40
No Daniel.
First of all, I didn't say anything about Portugal.
You said: If you want to see people going sideways for fun go to your local rally where unskilled idiots with too much money throw their cars sideways and hope that they get around the corner.
You can twist others words to defend what you believe to be your point but that doesn't change matters.
You made a broad and condescending, if not insulting, comment. Additionally, you didn't do it in spoken word, where one's intent can be communicated in a broader sense; you did it in the written word, where your audience can only take you for exactly what you have written. If you cannot understand the difference in that then I have no further words for you.
Obviously, as you have elaborated as this discussion has dragged on, you meant more than your initial comment would reflect. Where is the harm in simply saying "I should have been more direct or specific". Or simply stating, "you know, I didn't make my point clearly". Like it or not, what you communicate, is not a product of your intent or attempt, but what your audience understands and perceives. No matter how diligently you defend "what" you said, it only matters what your audience "heard".
Seriously. You people don't quite get it.
You know what. If you walked down the road here you're probably hear birds tweeting. Does that mean that's the only sound you'll hear? NO of course it bloody well doesn't. I don't need to explicitly freaking state that in addition to the people that just want to go sideways at rallies there are 10 that are very skilled, 2 that have wooden legs, 1 that has a hook for a hand. It goes without saying that at all events there are some very skilled people and some not so skilled people. IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING. GET IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!? As in I don't need to explicitly state that in addition to the people who are unskilled there are a lot of drivers who are very skilled and could probably go a lot further given sponsorship/money.
For the record and for the last frigging time.......
There are things called club rallies. Where you simply need a car which is prepared to the relevant standards set out in the series regulations or by the MSA or FIA or whoever is in charge of that sort of thing in the country. Then you need yourself and your co-driver who both need relevant licences to rally and also you need clothing and so on. What this means is that pretty much anyone can rally at a club level. You could be Sebastien Loeb or Robert Mugabe and the organisers probably wouldn't care. You pays your entry fee and you does your rallying. Your goal could be to go as fast as possible, not die or to go as sideways as possible. Many if not all world champions have competed at a club level so OBVIOUSLY (in fact one could say it GOES WITHOUT SAYING :rolleyes: ) there are some VERY skilled people who compete at this level. Of course there are some less skilled people also.
Is that explicit enough for you? :rolleyes:
First of all, I didn't say anything about Portugal.
You said: If you want to see people going sideways for fun go to your local rally where unskilled idiots with too much money throw their cars sideways and hope that they get around the corner.
You can twist others words to defend what you believe to be your point but that doesn't change matters.
You made a broad and condescending, if not insulting, comment. Additionally, you didn't do it in spoken word, where one's intent can be communicated in a broader sense; you did it in the written word, where your audience can only take you for exactly what you have written. If you cannot understand the difference in that then I have no further words for you.
Obviously, as you have elaborated as this discussion has dragged on, you meant more than your initial comment would reflect. Where is the harm in simply saying "I should have been more direct or specific". Or simply stating, "you know, I didn't make my point clearly". Like it or not, what you communicate, is not a product of your intent or attempt, but what your audience understands and perceives. No matter how diligently you defend "what" you said, it only matters what your audience "heard".
Seriously. You people don't quite get it.
You know what. If you walked down the road here you're probably hear birds tweeting. Does that mean that's the only sound you'll hear? NO of course it bloody well doesn't. I don't need to explicitly freaking state that in addition to the people that just want to go sideways at rallies there are 10 that are very skilled, 2 that have wooden legs, 1 that has a hook for a hand. It goes without saying that at all events there are some very skilled people and some not so skilled people. IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING. GET IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!? As in I don't need to explicitly state that in addition to the people who are unskilled there are a lot of drivers who are very skilled and could probably go a lot further given sponsorship/money.
For the record and for the last frigging time.......
There are things called club rallies. Where you simply need a car which is prepared to the relevant standards set out in the series regulations or by the MSA or FIA or whoever is in charge of that sort of thing in the country. Then you need yourself and your co-driver who both need relevant licences to rally and also you need clothing and so on. What this means is that pretty much anyone can rally at a club level. You could be Sebastien Loeb or Robert Mugabe and the organisers probably wouldn't care. You pays your entry fee and you does your rallying. Your goal could be to go as fast as possible, not die or to go as sideways as possible. Many if not all world champions have competed at a club level so OBVIOUSLY (in fact one could say it GOES WITHOUT SAYING :rolleyes: ) there are some VERY skilled people who compete at this level. Of course there are some less skilled people also.
Is that explicit enough for you? :rolleyes: