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15th October 2007, 18:02 #21
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Originally Posted by mark123
Lets not forget that a qualifying lap and race weekend is a LOT different than one guy testing out there by himself not trying to beat anyone and NOT trying to crash
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15th October 2007, 18:25 #22Originally Posted by Cart750hp
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15th October 2007, 19:29 #23
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These forums are full of Debbie Downers because that is the easy way out.
You can talk all you want about missed opportunities by letting CC drivers go but I have not seen the other OW series pick up those drivers.
Yep there were canceled races but when you ignore the reasons why they were cancelled, well there is the Debbie Downer direction once again.
If at some point in time Champ Car does fold, as far as I am concerned American Open Wheel Racing is finished and there are NO alternatives.
So with that said I will be backing Champ Car in 2008 and beyond. The 2008 schedule, venues will be added to the positive venues in 2007. Yes there were some poor preforming venues in 2007 and they possible will be eliminated in 2008. But the point of a good schedule is attendance, attendance is what builds venues and not TV ratings or because the venue is a forum favorite.
Yes in 2008 there will be new self sufficient teams and yes there will be drivers with sponsors.
But the bottom line is paid admission is what will build the series. A fan that purchases a ticket to see a race is more likely to stick with the series than a person that was given a free ticket.
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15th October 2007, 20:38 #24
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Originally Posted by mark123
Mid-Ohio
2003 Champ Car Pole: 1:07.058 secs, P. Tracy, Lola Ford
2007 Indy Car Pole: 1:06:8375 secs, H. Castroneves, Dallara Honda
2003 Champ Car Fast Race Lap: 1:08.366 secs, J. Vasser, Reynard Ford
2007 Indy Car Fast Race Lap : 1:08.00 secs, D. Franchitti, Dallara Honda
Milwaukee Mile
2006 Champ Car Pole: 21.182 secs, S. Bourdais, Lola Ford
2007 Indy Car Pole: 21.3596 secs, H. Castroneves, Dallara Honda
2006 Champ Car Fast Race Lap: 22.285 secs, S. Bourdais, Lola Ford
2007 Indy Car Fast Race Lap: 22.2017 secs, D. Wheldon, Dallara Honda
No push-to-pass and less HP but the times are virtually identical. It does make you think, doesn't it?OWRS-- Began January 28, 2004 and ended on February 22, 2008!
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15th October 2007, 20:50 #25
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Originally Posted by mike15OWRS-- Began January 28, 2004 and ended on February 22, 2008!
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15th October 2007, 20:51 #26Originally Posted by mike15
If your premise was correct, then why isn't the CCWS attendance parlaying itself into better TV veiwership? While you may try to minimize this, the TV viewership is where the sponsors, who make it possible to actually race, get a return on their investment.
With no new sponsors announced, and no real opportunity to get sponsors right now because there is no schedule (and won't be for at least another month) just exactly where is the money coming from to put new teams on the grid? Where are the orders for new DP-01s for next year?
I think the crux of your post is the comment that if CCWS goes under, then there is no alternative for you. With that being the case, then there is absolutely no harm in you casting an eye to the situation that defies logic.
The split was not going to continue forever. Whatever way it ended, there were fans that were going to be lost on one side or the other. It's a shame, really, that if CCWS goes under, your have taken the stance you have. Because, the fact is, that if CCWS does go under, regardless of your imagination, American Open Wheel will indeed continue.Keep your eyes open for the rest of January, you may be in for a surprise - Speeds Up...
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15th October 2007, 21:01 #27
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It seems that whenever that SJ speaks and projects a date of sorts, the 2008 Schedule being the latest, it always misses the mark. Wonder if he sold dodgy used-cars back in the day.
cy bais
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15th October 2007, 21:16 #28
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Originally Posted by ChaimWitzLBGP: The Sound - The Spectacle. Racin' at its finest.
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15th October 2007, 21:19 #29
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Originally Posted by mike15Champ Car Fan
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15th October 2007, 21:29 #30
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Originally Posted by pits4me
It is not a scientific comparison - but it is interesting.
The Safari gives a trophy to all finishers (it’s a fairly common thing in rallying I thought?), this year the podium was right after stop line of the final stage. There was a regroup for the podium...
[WRC] Vodafone Rally de Portugal...