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3rd February 2016, 15:09 #11
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I am definitely not the fan of Senna that most are. Though fast, I thought he was a dangerous and unsportsman like driver. 66 incidents in 95 race weekends is a 69% rate - hardly the mark of the best driver. Could someone pull up the incident rate for a few others like Clark, Fangio, Stewart, etc. for comparison?
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3rd February 2016, 15:17 #12
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3rd February 2016, 16:56 #13
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He's not really. I look at that weekend as a fluke where the car was just perfect and he drove reasonably well. You can't be as good as he appeared that weekend and then suddenly be as bad as he was for the remainder of his career. He's not better than what he displayed. He's not deserving of an F1 seat and he should never be allowed near a F1 circuit again.
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3rd February 2016, 18:41 #14
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Well, Hulkenburg in a similar position a few years back, driving a Force India did not pull off a win. That's not to suggest that Hulkenburg is a bad driver or worst than Maldonado. Just simply that it takes a little more than luck to pull off a win with so many quality drivers on the grid. The swing in performance is typically a Maldonado temperament. Something he has struggled with for some time and has not seemed to get on top of yet. His showing in 2014 1nd 2015 is the worst expected of any driver without a doubt. But within that uglyness is a Fomula 1 race winning driver. Something you cannot take away from the guy. He is capable of better and it is a shame he has let himself and a lot of fans down.
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3rd February 2016, 20:00 #15
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I agree it would be a fairer measure if you can factor out the mechanical incidents and only count driver error and car to car contact, but I doubt that data is readily available. I also don't think the era makes much difference, but if it makes you feel better throw Schumi and Proust in there too.
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3rd February 2016, 20:39 #16
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Being a race winning driver does not particularly mean you are a good one. He was lucky that weekend and that is it! He wasn't capable of more. If he had been capable of better then he would have managed it in four years of driving. Talent alone isn't enough. If you're a complete idiot, and he is, then your talent is wasted, because it's canceled out by the wrong mentality and that mentality renders you incapable of achieving more.
As for Hulk, I'm not convinced about him either. I don't see what others see in him. He impressed me once to get pole in Brazil, just like Maldonado impressed once.Last edited by The Black Knight; 3rd February 2016 at 20:43.
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4th February 2016, 11:48 #17
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4th February 2016, 12:40 #19
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That win by Maldonado was well-deserved and earnt on merit. No question about that.
But one impressive race in a career is not good enough. Many drivers can shine on odd occasion. You need at least a bit consistency to have a sustainable career.
As for Hülkenberg... Well yeah, he has not won a race. But on average his performance has been better, including far more good and decent drives, not to mention significantly less crashes.Last edited by jens; 4th February 2016 at 12:42.
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4th February 2016, 12:45 #20
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I wonder, what do these 66 incidents include. Because looking at races (I don't know about practices!) Senna wasn't THAT crash-prone, even if he had some incidents. He had lots of DNF-s, but mostly due to unreliable cars. The Lotus of 1985-87 was prone to running out of fuel before the chequered flag. And Senna had a pretty bad reliability in seasons like 1989 or 1992.
But that was a different era. Era in which cars were far more unreliable than today and could blow up regularly.
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