Rally Italia Sardegna '16

[stefanvv]

PS had only 6 kms...

6km, 60km, what's the difference in driving?

[Mirek]

Is it a serious question?

[danon]

This ticket of €50 000 is not for 36 grams difference. It is for not correct administrative procedure from FIA with homologation...

Here is another example of a bigger grams difference (taking into account different drivers, different driving style, different strategy, different tire wear etc etc etc...

I PESI DELLE GOMME NEL WRC TRA UNA NUOVA E UNA CONSUMATA

Dovete sapere che le macchine hanno un peso minimo obbligatorio di 1.200 kg e i commissari della FIA possono pesare le auto in qualunque momento quindi la macchina deve rispettare sempre il peso minimo. Capirete come qualunque cosa debba essere “tarata”, dalla benzina alle gomme. Proprio queste ultime, durante le prove speciali, subiscono una tale usura da arrivare a perdere qualche chilo di peso, ed ecco che la bilancia serve proprio per pesare le gomme nuove e quelle usate, per vedere le differenze.
Abbiamo fatto una prova ed è proprio così: la gomma nuova (compreso il cerchio in magnesio) pesa 24,6 kg e quella usata pesa 22,1 kg: dieci chili di differenza per le quattro gomme non sono affatto pochi quindi bisognerà tenerne conto magari quando si deve fare rifornimento di carburante e fare più benzina per compensare la perdita di peso delle gomme.

[janvanvurpa]

I for a change think that it doesn't matter at all if Camilli, Latvala or whoever can drive Escort gr.4 if they can drive the car they actually use. And no, I don't think it's so easy

So how do explain Camilli making such good results with such little experience?

I labor under a misunderstanding that experience must be learned--experienced in other words and I somehow thought that to do top level results in any endeavor required a LOT of experience in this case in training and/or competition.
Is he just a prodigy?

even Mozart was raised from an infant with his father guiding him...

And Mirek, droogie, I stress RELATIVE...
I don't say to drive modern current car with all the driver's aides (4wd is one thing, modern turbo engines are another, unbelievably fantastic long travel suspension is another) is EASY....It is r-e-l-a-t-i-v-e-l-y easier than a n.a. 2wd car.
(I have driven on gravel well prepped FWD, RWD and 4WD turbo cars....It is relatively easier driving a turbo motor with relatively broader power and abundant torque than a high performance, narrower powerband n.a. motor: if you do not keep the n.a. motor perfectly flat out you go nowhere fast... And be late or early on every gearchange and you are in the bottom of the results...Much easier (for my brain) to go fast with big broad power.)

I think the proof is that when there was all n.a. 2wd cars you would have never seen a man make a SS win and a handful of SS 3rds etc with only 9 gravel events total to his name.

But as always, wot da fuq do I know?

[Mirek]

Here is another example of a bigger grams difference (taking into account different drivers, different driving style, different strategy, different tire wear etc etc etc...

Why do You still repeat those grams? They are irrelevant and even the steward's decision mention them only as more or less curiosity. Those windows were not homologated because they had diffrent shape. Also the whole thing is clearly only a mess as the homologated window can't be fit in the actual WRC car.

[Mirek]

So how do explain Camilli making such good results with such little experience?

I labor under a misunderstanding that experience must be learned--experienced in other words and I somehow thought that to do top level results in any endeavor required a LOT of experience in this case in training and/or competition.
Is he just a prodigy?

even Mozart was raised from an infant with his father guiding him...

And Mirek, droogie, I stress RELATIVE...
I don't say to drive modern current car with all the driver's aides (4wd is one thing, modern turbo engines are another, unbelievably fantastic long travel suspension is another) is EASY....It is r-e-l-a-t-i-v-e-l-y easier than a n.a. 2wd car.
(I have driven on gravel well prepped FWD, RWD and 4WD turbo cars....It is relatively easier driving a turbo motor with relatively broader power and abundant torque than a high performance, narrower powerband n.a. motor: if you do not keep the n.a. motor perfectly flat out you go nowhere fast... And be late or early on every gearchange and you are in the bottom of the results...Much easier (for my brain) to go fast with big broad power.)

I think the proof is that when there was all n.a. 2wd cars you would have never seen a man make a SS win and a handful of SS 3rds etc with only 9 gravel events total to his name.

But as always, wot da fuq do I know?

Maybe because he is good? Look, Ogier managed to win his very first WRC stage in his his very first 4WD outing on the first stage of the event (Sweet Lamb 2008)! Before he only drove two seasons in French 206XS cup and one season in JWRC. Nothing else. It may look unbelievable but it's true. That stage was even icy mud if I remmeber so even one of the hardest conditions what You can imagine.

About Your old cars. You can take also opposite examples. For example Belgian Didier Vanwijnsberghe. He is bloody fast with Escort Mk.II but even after two seasons he didn't manage to drive Fabia S2000 faster than his Escort so he sold it and continues with the Escort. There are more similar examples. The point is that it's perfectly irrelevant how fast somebody would be with 40 years old car. It's about how fast they are now.

[stefanvv]

Is it a serious question?

Sure. If he can drive 6km slow, why wouldn't he drive 60km slow. It is even easier.

[Mirek]

Sure. If he can drive 6km slow, why wouldn't he drive 60km slow. It is even easier.

Because he would have no idea how much time he lost by slow driving over 60 km? Even I can quite safely guess how much time I dropped on 6 km but no way I could do that on 60 km long road. Of course Mikkelsen can judge better than me but still the risk of misjudgement is huge on a long stage.

[stefanvv]

Because he would have no idea how much time he lost by slow driving over 60 km? Even I can quite safely guess how much time I dropped on 6 km but no way I could do that on 60 km long road. Of course Mikkelsen can judge better than me but still the risk of misjudgement is huge on a long stage.

Hmm, I'm not saying he knows exactly how much seconds will lose for 6km, that's impossible. Be he surely can judge his pace well enough.... If he knows how many secs/km, it is enough information for 6, 60 or 600 kms....

[danon]

Why do You still repeat those grams?