Rally Guanajuato Mexico 2013

[Kielder]

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[OldF]

A picture says a thousand words! VW straighter in corner, Citroen more sideways, clearly the VW suspension has much larger travel and better traction then results. Add it up over enough corners over several days, must be significant.

I don’t think the suspension travel is so important in cornering because due to weight transfer the outer wheels have to take care of the traction. Of course it’ always better to have all the four wheels on the ground instead of having one wheel in the air.

Imo the best benefit with long suspension travel are on crests and taking off for a jump. With longer suspension travel the wheels will be in touch with the ground longer and taking the car forward instead of beeing in the air and being slowed down by the air resistance.

[stefanvv]

I agree with Sprocket, the longer suspension travel must be important in all the cornering precisely because of the traction the car gets and the impetus it gets out of the each corner.

[Sprocket]

I agree with Sprocket, the longer suspension travel must be important in all the cornering precisely because of the traction the car gets and the impetus it gets out of the each corner.

Also it allows the car to take the biggest advantage of the camber, two wheels solidly in the 'dip' will allow a higher cornering speed to be maintained (sideways forces on the tyre walls on the inside tyres prevent the car going as wide as it would otherwise) as well as the faster exit out as you say due to far better traction.

[stefanvv]

Also it allows the car to take the biggest advantage of the camber, two wheels solidly in the 'dip' will allow a higher cornering speed to be maintained (sideways forces on the tyre walls on the inside tyres prevent the car going as wide as it would otherwise) as well as the faster exit out as you say due to far better traction.

True, though one might argue it might throw the rear of the car away. This is where the rear suspension geometry comes in probably and gets the complete package.

[Coach 2]

Pleas guys, you cant get all of this out of two pictures. One car could be on the throttle and one on the brakes. It also look like one is closer to the camera than the other. One could be coming more at the camera and one more sideways. And it's maybe so simple that Citroen have stronger anti roll bar than VW.

[Sprocket]

You can get this from the pictures.

One could be on the throttle one on the brakes? No not at all. That is not so. You are looking at the worlds top drivers, they are not on the brakes in a corner! All the braking gear selection is done before. What you see is one key to the VW dominance, not all I'm sure but plenty of people here will see plenty from those pictures and be able to draw some conclusions from it.

[stefanvv]

The difference in pictures snapshots is a matter of thousands of the second probably, so it couldn't be much of the different driver's approach (as Sprocket said "top class drivers"), it's all about the car behavior.

[Coach 2]

You can get this from the pictures.

One could be on the throttle one on the brakes? No not at all. That is not so. You are looking at the worlds top drivers, they are not on the brakes in a corner! All the braking gear selection is done before. What you see is one key to the VW dominance, not all I'm sure but plenty of people here will see plenty from those pictures and be able to draw some conclusions from it.

Now I too am one of many, too, and I can not see it so clearly. And if the whole secret to VW, longer suspension travel, and this is so clear, then the other teams have solved that problem to the next race.

[handbrakes&hairpins]

Photo: Rally Guanajuato Mexico 2013

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