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23rd August 2012, 18:16 #11
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Originally Posted by Rollo
Would Senna have been as strong now? Not sure. Most of his championships were won with as dominant a combination as Schumacher had at Ferrari, no single team is as strong anymore. Also while Senna moved the game on in terms of professionalism and fitness today his level of fitness and dedication is seen as the norm.
Unlike Nelsinho I wouldn't have thought Senna's technical expertise was his weakness, at the time it was one of his strengths. However again today with the level of electronic monitoring and telemetry I don't think this expertise would give him the degree of advantage it used to. Sutil used to be mocked for his rather poor technical expertise and feedback, didn't stop him from being damned quick in an FI.
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23rd August 2012, 19:47 #12
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Looks like it was craps made up the journalist, much ado about nothing. I never go to motorsport.com and now I know to not go there.
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23rd August 2012, 19:56 #13
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Originally Posted by wedge
Firstly Senna made it clear that he was racing for Honda as much as the team he was signed up to at the time and he made a big effort to engage with the Japanese media. Then there was his personality that the Japanese deeply admired, aggressive to the extreme on track yet quiet, thoughtful and almost humble off it. Also he's Brazilian, a country the Japanese feel a deep affinity with. Ultimately few if any drivers have been taken to heart as much by Honda or the Japanese in general as he was to the extent that no Japanese driver has ever been close to equalling him in terms of popularity and that fanatical levels of support for him there probably equalled that in Brazil.
How much of this was him being political and wanting the best engine maker of the period as an ally and how much was down to genuine chemistry I don't know.
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23rd August 2012, 20:41 #14
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Nelson is entitled to share his opinion on Senna or Fittipaldi... and we are entitled to laugh at him.
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24th August 2012, 00:24 #15
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Originally Posted by Malbec
But yes, the competition between teams is much closer.
Originally Posted by Malbec
Even at Toleman he was adept at politics such as wanting better tyres and signing up with
I think he knew he could get away at playing the spoilt brat even up to 1993 he managed to get $1million race fees yet Ron Dennis wanted nothing to do with him.The world according to Taki Inoue: https://mobile.twitter.com/takiinoue/st ... 7249326080
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24th August 2012, 02:28 #16
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Originally Posted by Malbec
The Senna born in 1960 would be a different Senna to one born in 1987. To that end, Senna's contemporary would have been Vettel.
The sheer and utter ruthlessness that 60 Senna showed would have been identical to an 87 Senna. Conditions are vastly different, but I still suspect that our hypothetical Senna would have been in a top team (probably in Massa's or Webber's seat) and been winning GPs anyway.
Senna did make a Toleman score fastest laps and did win grands prix in the Lotus. Piquet Jr. did neither the Renault, even though Alonso proved that the car was capable of winning grands prix.
Originally Posted by MalbecThe Old Republic was a stupidly run organisation which deserved to be taken over. All Hail Palpatine!
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24th August 2012, 09:03 #17
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Originally Posted by wedge
Funny I've just finished reading the 1987 Autocourse annual (got 86-89 on a mega bargain recently) and he states that he left Lotus because he wasn't happy with the progress of the active suspension system. They dropped it in 1988 too.CMR4L titles: 2, RBR MF Cup titles: 2
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24th August 2012, 09:06 #18
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Originally Posted by Rollo
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24th August 2012, 13:43 #19Originally Posted by The Black KnightForm is Temporary, Class is Permanent
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24th August 2012, 16:35 #20
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Jr is a disgrace and a twat. End of story.
I really doubt it. And even if they do, does Ogier care? He came for the win.
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