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25th April 2012, 17:21 #41
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Originally Posted by wiruwiru
They dod not trust the Democracies will as they had seen how France and Britain and USA did nothing to support the democratically elected government in Spain--indeed they (the Democracies) criminalized support of the legal democratically elected Spanish government... They had seen the West did nothing when Germany began to re-arm, did nothing when the Alscace was grabbed back, nothing when Sudetenland was grabbed, nothing when Czechoslovakia disappeared, nothing when Austria was absorbed...
And of course they read the Nazi fantasy books about superiority of "Aryan" peoples and their "right" to subjugate, kill, exterminate Slavs....
When the West would not negotiate some sort of buffer, in early August, the negotiations were broken off and since the Nazis had been promising a "better deal' the Soviets took the only deal they could...
Virru-virrruuu there is/was no excuse for the barbarity of Stalin and his gang but this "they were all the same" is crazy talk.... The Soviets own mythology did not include phony mystical superiorty of one Nationality and the total dismaissal of the humanity of whole races..... the Nazi's did and they made national Policy based on their "rights " as superior beings...
In the end, the philosophical underpinnings of a regime do count just like in law (law descended from N Germanic/Saxon/English/American) and act may be legal or illegal all depending on what is in the mind of "the perpetrator ".John Vanlandingham
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25th April 2012, 17:30 #42
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
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25th April 2012, 17:53 #43
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Originally Posted by jens
Not really since before Lenin died had they been doing much about that the spreading the "word'
Indeed the whole Stalinist push was to "bureaucratize the Revolution in the institutions". Trotsky was the one pushing the "safeguard the Soviet Revolution by supporting revolutions in all the other counties" and he and his comrades were either forced out, or simply shot...
Now like my friend Viiiiiruuu-viiiiruuuuu we all have our personal inclinations which color our perceptions of everywhere, and everything and I know personally I have always dispised injustice and hate bureaucrats (living almost 8 years in Sweden really help fine tune the my attitude toward bureaucrats, and think the solution was simple: about 7.62 x 54) so no love for Stalin from me, and I do believe every man is my brother, the basis for "Internationalism" so I admit some sympathy for Trotsky's ideas.
But he lost, the Bureaucrats won....and the old saying came to pass "A Chicken in every pot, and an icepick in every Trot!"...
The Communist mythos was the "inevitability" of violent revolutions being an absolute necessity, ignoring the experience in France in the 1890s where political power was won at the ballot box.John Vanlandingham
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25th April 2012, 18:02 #44
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Alsace was one of the last French territories to fall in 1940 as the Germans could not break through the Maginot line and had to breakthrough the Belgian border and attack it from behind. It certainly wasn't grabbed back as part of the buildup to WW2...
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25th April 2012, 23:26 #45
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Saarland, I meant..
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25th April 2012, 23:44 #46
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The alliance between the Nazis and the USSR predates many of Nazi Germany's aggressive moves, certainly German tank and submarine crews were training at Soviet bases from the mid-30s.
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25th April 2012, 23:46 #47
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
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26th April 2012, 16:17 #48
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Originally Posted by Lousada
Too busy to argue but the point was the Europe teetered on the edge:
The remilitarization of the Rhineland by the German Army took place on 7 March 1936 when German military forces entered the Rhineland. This was significant because it violated the terms of the Locarno Treaties and was the first time since the end of World War I that German troops had been in this region.
Under Articles 42, 43 and 44 of the 1919 Treaty of Versailles—imposed on Germany by the Allies after the Great War—Germany was "forbidden to maintain or construct any fortification either on the Left bank of the Rhine or on the Right bank to the west of a line drawn fifty kilometers to the East of the Rhine". If a violation "in any manner whatsoever" of this Article took place, this "shall be regarded as committing a hostile act...and as calculated to disturb the peace of the world".[1] The Locarno Treaties, signed in 1925 by Germany, France, Italy and Britain, stated that the Rhineland should continue its demilitarized status permanently.[2] Locarno was regarded as important as it was a voluntary German acceptance of the Rhineland's demilitarized status as opposed to the diktat (dictate) of Versailles.[3] Under the terms of Locarno, Britain and Italy guaranteed the Franco-German border and the continued demilitarized status of the Rhineland against a "flagrant violation" without however defining what constituted a "flagrant violation".
Heinz Guderian, a German general interviewed by French officers after the Second World War, claimed: "If you French had intervened in the Rhineland in 1936 we should have been sunk and Hitler would have fallen".[29] Hitler himself said:John Vanlandingham
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26th April 2012, 18:53 #49
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Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
I still see little evidence that the USSR was planning to take over the whole of central/eastern Europe, noone has offered significant evidence to back that line up.
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26th April 2012, 20:24 #50
I'm sure Stalin in 1945 had a lot more flexibility for determining his boundaries than Stalin in 1939. When was the Lublin government set up? That would be a good indicator of when future plans really started. That's assuming Katyn was primarily done for spite.
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