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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyL
    Again I think Toyota are the perfect counter-example. They had the double decker diffuser before Brawn did. And lots of money. But it did them little good.
    Toyota is the perfect counter-example to almost everything — the need for bags of money, the need for a double diffuser... But maybe there is a similarity. The deep-seated problems with Toyota's F1 effort are generally regarded to have been higher up the company. Could it be that Mercedes has similar failings?

    Quote Originally Posted by AndyL
    I think the underlying reason Brawn fell back was lack of money to continue developing the car.
    Did Brawn as a whole fall back, or was it just that Button fell off the pace?

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    Nico - over rated - really

    Part of Toyota's problems were its drivers, which reminds me wtf was Trulli doing at the restart at Singapore he gave SV loads of extra lead.

    Not sure how long Mercedes will be happy being beat by its 'customer' teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

    Part of Toyota's problems were its drivers, which reminds me wtf was Trulli doing at the restart at Singapore he gave SV loads of extra lead.
    Driving a Lotus!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown, Jon Brow
    Driving a Lotus!
    Aye, but he hung back loads thus gifting SV a massive advantage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight

    Part of Toyota's problems were its drivers,
    The smallest of Toyota`s problem were the drivers
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    Aye, but he hung back loads thus gifting SV a massive advantage
    Yeah, because he was actually racing Vettel for position, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
    Aye, but he hung back loads thus gifting SV a massive advantage
    He probably didn't want to disadvantage himself by being in Vettels dirty air.

    This would probably be exaggerated by Vettel using KERS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Walker
    The smallest of Toyota`s problem were the drivers
    Yeah, because he was actually racing Vettel for position, right?
    Based on what exactly?

    No he wasn't but that doesn't mean he should hold back several car lengths. Have you just taken up watching motor sport by any chance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
    Based on what exactly?
    Because the organization was sick and was never going to get anywhere.

    No he wasn't but that doesn't mean he should hold back several car lengths. Have you just taken up watching motor sport by any chance?
    No, but have you just recently been housebroken?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garry Walker
    Because the organization was sick and was never going to get anywhere.


    No, but have you just recently been housebroken?
    Without really talented drivers hard to say for sure. Had Schumacher driven for them, who knows?

    Just you don't seem to fully understand the sport. Was it the grid girls, the slammed suspension, pretty colour schemes, smell of Cazzy R that drew you in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bolton Midnight
    Without really talented drivers hard to say for sure. Had Schumacher driven for them, who knows?
    Ralf did drive for them, dumbo.
    If you mean Michael, well, he could just have been a bit faster than Ralf, but that is it. He wouldnt have made the car faster, he wouldnt have cured the leadership problems at the helm of the team and the team would still have been a mess. Maybe he would have lucked into one win somehow, but that is far from given.

    Just you don't seem to fully understand the sport. Was it the grid girls, the slammed suspension, pretty colour schemes, smell of Cazzy R that drew you in?
    Grid girls.
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