I wonder if Robin is still celebrating????

[anthonyvop]

If the IRL or Indy is dependant on TV, it deserves to die.

You have that wrong. It is the other way around. TV is much more important than attendance to the success of the ICS.

[anthonyvop]

The Singapore race is important to those in Singapore. Not hard to ignore.
What TV rating did it have in the U.S., if nightime TV rating are so important.

Actually the Singapore GP is more important to the rest of the world than any ICS race including the Indy500.

Even in the hay-days, Sebring was the little brother to Daytona.

Sebring was never a little brother to Daytono and today the 24hrs of Daytona isn't even a blip on the radar screen

Now as IMSA brown-noses the ACO, it is simply a test for LeMans, Peugot spends millions to race THERE, otherwise Peugot would be contesting the whole 2010 season, which they are not.

Peugeot races in Sebring because it is a significant event worldwide. They along with other manufacturers realize it. Audi, Jaguar, Aston-Martin, Mazda, Porsche and Chevrolet would rather spend their motorsports marketing money on the 12 hours of Sebring than on the ICS,

Now, except for road racing aficionados, it is barely on the racing map, of course that can be said about road-racing as a whole in the U.S.
It is great it still exists, but right now, the future of the IMSA is not guaranteed.

You have been reading that ISC shill Morphy the bear too much. The ALMS is doing quite well. It is Summertime so now we all get to hear his rumor about how the ALMS is up for sale and the G/A is going to buy it.

[Bob Riebe]

You have that wrong. It is the other way around. TV is much more important than attendance to the success of the ICS.

How?

Give specifics.

If tracks do not get spectators, tracks shut-down.
Or is this because racing will just be, let's pretend video games with no real cars, so who needs tracks?

[Bob Riebe]

[quote="anthonyvop"]Actually the Singapore GP is more important to the rest of the world than any ICS race including the Indy500.

Based on what proof?
Monaco, maybe, Singapore is just another race, in another spec. formula series.


Sebring was never a little brother to Daytono and today the 24hrs of Daytona isn't even a blip on the radar screen
In your opinion

Peugeot races in Sebring because it is a significant event worldwide. They along with other manufacturers realize it. Audi, Jaguar, Aston-Martin, Mazda, Porsche and Chevrolet would rather spend their motorsports marketing money on the 12 hours of Sebring than on the ICS, So important Audi, who does sell cars in the U.S. skipped it.
Gee, Daytona has large internationally respected sponsor, Sebring does not.
While the cars at Daytona are turtles, it draws an international sponsor and Sebring is not even important to Audi.
Sebring must be really, really important.
Daytona is a sad image compared to what it once was, but Sebring is still standing in its shadow.

You have been reading that ISC shill Morphy the bear too much. The ALMS is doing quite well. It is Summertime so now we all get to hear his rumor about how the ALMS is up for sale and the G/A is going to buy it.I know of Murphy the Bear but have never read it.
GARRA or Grand Am is the France family, NASCAR keeps the France family in dollars, NASCAR is leaking badly, the France family is not buying anything as they are too busy trying to plug the leaks in the NASCAR.

[slorydn1]

Actually, as a fan of many different racing series, I like the Memorial Day weekend schedule pretty much as it is now ( although pushing Indy back to its earlier start time would be great, thank you)

That weekend Saturday and Monday are for the cookouts and what ever else
"normal" people (like my wife) may have planned.

Sunday is for wall to wall racing. An early morning F1 race, followed by the Indy 500, then the Coke 600-for me that Sunday is racing heaven.

IF Indy were to light the track, when would they hold the race?

Remember-TV wise (for the season, not just 1 race) Indy Car is #3 on the "depth chart" behind both Nascar Sprint Cup and Nationwide Series'. And ESPN/ABC televises the Nationwide Series race Saturday night in Charlotte, so are they going to want to compete with themselves? May be the 500 on ABC and Nationwide on ESPN2? That's not gonna happen.

Sunday night you lose the ABC/ESPN conflict, but does Indy REALLY want to go head to head with the 600? That's not gonna happen, either.

That leaves Friday night and Monday night, and neither will work (very well) as most of the trackside fans will have to work Friday so thats an extra vacation day they may or may not get from their bosses to travel to Indy, and Monday night leaves people with the pain of having to get home in time to get to work Tuesday morning. Oh, and what if it rains Monday night? That's a horror I'd rather not even think about.

[anthonyvop]

Actually the Singapore GP is more important to the rest of the world than any ICS race including the Indy500.

Based on what proof?
Monaco, maybe, Singapore is just another race, in another spec. formula series.


Sebring was never a little brother to Daytono and today the 24hrs of Daytona isn't even a blip on the radar screen
In your opinion

Peugeot races in Sebring because it is a significant event worldwide. They along with other manufacturers realize it. Audi, Jaguar, Aston-Martin, Mazda, Porsche and Chevrolet would rather spend their motorsports marketing money on the 12 hours of Sebring than on the ICS, So important Audi, who does sell cars in the U.S. skipped it.
Gee, Daytona has large internationally respected sponsor, Sebring does not.
While the cars at Daytona are turtles, it draws an international sponsor and Sebring is not even important to Audi.
Sebring must be really, really important.
Daytona is a sad image compared to what it once was, but Sebring is still standing in its shadow.

You have been reading that ISC shill Morphy the bear too much. The ALMS is doing quite well. It is Summertime so now we all get to hear his rumor about how the ALMS is up for sale and the G/A is going to buy it.I know of Murphy the Bear but have never read it.
GARRA or Grand Am is the France family, NASCAR keeps the France family in dollars, NASCAR is leaking badly, the France family is not buying anything as they are too busy trying to plug the leaks in the NASCAR.

F-1 averages a TV viewership of over 40 million per race...including Singapore. So the Singapore GP has more viewers than the entire ICS season.

G/A's "internationally respected sponsor" is leaving after this year. Yep. You can kiss Rolex goodbye.

Sebring is sponsored by one of the World's largest Corporations.....Exxon via Mobile-1. Actually they have 2 major sponsors. The Official name is the Mobil 1 12 Hours of Sebring presented By Fresh From Florida.

[Bob Riebe]

F-1 averages a TV viewership of over 40 million per race...including Singapore. So the Singapore GP has more viewers than the entire ICS season.

In the U.S.?

[anthonyvop]

How?

Give specifics.

If tracks do not get spectators, tracks shut-down.

Are we talking Indy Car or tracks? The success of a track is mutually exclusive to the Success of Indy Car.

The Success of Indy Car is totally dependent on sponsorship. No sponsorship no racing. Major sponsors are interested in marketing the investment through exposure.
That exposure is generated primarily through TV followed by other forms of media(Internet, Press..ect).

Do you think that any of the few team sponsors are paying the 4-5 Million dollars to have their car in front of an average of 35K fans?

Even for tracks their main source of income is sponsorship. Haven't you noticed that even though NASCAR attendance is down none of the tracks seem to be complaining?

Look at F-1. Nobody can argue that F-1 isn't by far the most successful racing series on the planet.
Bernie once said that they could hold an F-1 event and still make the same amount of money just from TV. Nobody with any knowledge of the biz has refuted that statement.

[anthonyvop]

In the U.S.?

Does it matter?

Have you noticed that there are more major US corporations sponsoring F-1 than in Indy Cars?

[Bob Riebe]

Does it matter?

Have you noticed that there are more major US corporations sponsoring F-1 than in Indy Cars?

I noticed that there is no U.S. F-1 and vast majority of racing fans don't care.

Of course soccer probably has more fans than baseball and football combined but then in the U.S. soccer has the importance of a zit on a gnat's butt.

I have not seen any, net threads on Singapore, but there one finds many on the Indianapolis 500, and even the IRL, whilst not even looking for them.

The Dakar Rally is known better in the U.S. than any race in Singapore, or for that matter so is a race in Macau.

If you like it good for you.