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19th November 2009, 17:48 #1
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Good column in Valvoline racing web site. http://www.valvoline.com/racing/behi...age-doors/2855.
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19th November 2009, 18:57 #2
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to paraphrase "damn the safety issues, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!"
"Insanely fast" with a bazillion horsepower is how IndyCar should proceed. These cars should be the most challenging to drive, the most powerful to drive, the most dangerous to drive.
Give each team a set budget and have them build something from scratch. No limits. No specs.HOO HOO HOO HOOSIERS !
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19th November 2009, 19:16 #3Originally Posted by ChicagocrewIRL
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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19th November 2009, 19:44 #4
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great article - and Gil DeFerran is not a driver I would have regarded as reckless or overly "macho".....
"Insanely fast" sounds about right. I am not sure a completely open formula will cut it because there do need to be safety measures - but we can clearly see that spec racing does not necessarily favor interesting racing....
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19th November 2009, 19:49 #5
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Originally Posted by garyshellDon't waste your time having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent
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20th November 2009, 17:43 #6
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241.428 mph.. BEEN THERE, DONE THAT. BOUGHT THE T-SHIRT!
I'll leave out the Most "dangerous" and replace with most "challenging" to drive, but I'd love to see the series opened up again to a run what cha brung within acceptable safety standards. I don't care what pushes it, as long as it pushes it FAAAAASSSTTTT!! There's no need for Tom Carnegie at the brickyard anymore. He hasn't uttered the phrase "It's a NEW track RECORD" in ages.
Gil's spot on. What Indycars always represented (to me at least) was the fastest racing cars on earth.HINCHTOWN!!
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20th November 2009, 17:43 #7
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Originally Posted by BlancvinoHINCHTOWN!!
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20th November 2009, 18:47 #8
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I think what the article is trying to point out is that the present car has absolutely no appeal to the general race fan. This is clearly born out by the declining tv ratings. Formula 1 is number 1 in the world because there cars are insanely fast. They are not only fast, they look fast. We are not talking about dangerous fast, we are talking about the appearance of being the fastest cars and backing it up at the tracks that bring you publicity (indy)
Think about it, if you were trying to sell this series what would use to attract an audience? It certainly isn't the car. The drivers right now have no appeal simply because there is no american superstar among them. Cart was once popular because it had the unser's and the andretti's and they were driving for the biggest owners. Right now you have the biggest owners employing foreign drivers. As good as they are they cannot be sold to the american public right now.
The old series was popular because there was a good mix of tracks. Right now i don't think indycar has that. Where are the road america's, the clevelands and the replacement for milwaukee.
Like the article says, if there is still a series around, the new car and engine is critical to the future success of openwheel racing in this country. It must look insanely fast and be able to back it up. When the new champ car was rolled out and turned a faster lap than the toyota f1 car at lacuna thats the type of publicity the new car needs. It doesn't matter if the car is in legal trim or not it needs to have the appearance that it is one of the fastest cars on the planet. You need to capture the publics imagination.
For you people who are worried about safety, we're not in the 70's anymore. The car safety is miles ahead of where it was in the 70's. The drivers equipment is miles ahead of where it was in the 70's. Do i advocate unlimited speed at the ovals, of course not, but what i would like to see is less emphasis on areo and more on mechanical grip. Let the drivers be the deciding factor.
Indycar is in desperate need of new leaders, some forward thinkers. The new engine rules have been delayed much to long. Openwheel racing is on the brink. Lets hope there is still some fans around by the time this new car is introduced.
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Originally Posted by nigelred5Don't waste your time having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent
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Faster racing isn't always better racing. NASCAR laps most circuits at 70'% of what an Indycar will do, yet they race better and have more fans. Some of that is hype but they RACE. This year's Indy 500 was almost processional by comparsion. We need innovation and maybe more speeds, but at a track designed in 1909, you have to be really careful with the idea of having cars running 250mph laps. God forbid someone got airborne and into the stands....
"Water for my horses, beer for my men and mud for my turtle".
Same, it's not very exiting to watch
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