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Thread: Marco's pass on Kanaan
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26th May 2008, 19:52 #11
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Originally Posted by Yankee Racer
We do know that Marco being there did force him to change his line.
However, there were many other passes made just prior to going into the corner were the high side car made it through.
IMHO, because he was not expecting Marco to be there, he turned in too late and was never able to get low enough to make it through the corner.****************
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26th May 2008, 21:08 #12Originally Posted by Yankee Racer
Gary"If you think there's a solution, you're part of the problem." --- George Carlin :andrea: R.I.P.
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27th May 2008, 13:57 #13
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The bottom line is Marco had every right to pass Kanaan. He was down low enough so Kanaan could take his normal line into the turn. Just look at the replays.
According to Dixon Kanaan made his first mistake when he lifted in turn one that gave Dixon the oportunity to overtake Kanaan on the out side and Marco to the inside.
In three I500 Marco has a second and a third and Kanaan a hand full of DNF's.
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27th May 2008, 21:32 #14
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Let the boys race. 10 years ago this situation would have been forgotten as soon as it happened.
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28th May 2008, 00:52 #15
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Originally Posted by garyshellYou ain\'t seen nothin\' \'til you\'ve seen
open-hoof burro racing in the Peruvian Andes.
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28th May 2008, 05:05 #16
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Softer tire compounds cause a higher level of marbles, doesn't it? The grip on today's Firestone tires is much more than what they were some years ago. This grip is allowing the drivers to "cheat" a bit and make bolder moves. The hard compounds of years ago didn't make as much marbles, and you therefore had a wider expanse of track to use. Of course the speeds weren't as high. I gotta think that when the cars were running 215 back in the day, taking corners wasn't nearly the white knuckle risk it is now, and it probably made for more passing, like the move Emerson Fittipaldi made on Al Unser back in some years back to win the race. You could make a move like that safely and stay within the limits of the car. But now since the horsepower has gone up, and the tires have more grip, it is actually even more risky to make those moves.
Look at what is going on in NASCAR right now, and the harder compound Goodyear tires they are running. the drivers have been spoiled by the grip they used to have, but the car of tommorrow has had an impact on the tires used, and not many like it. Tony Stewart had a temper tantrum recently about them every time someone put a microphone to him, and Goodyear had to put out a statement about it. But I have to believe the the old school drivers are laughing at Stewart and the other drivers; back in Richard Petty's day, if the tires were hard and lacked the grip of today, you learned how to drive with that and not whine about it. If you learned how to drive with those tires better than the next guy, that's what you were supposed to do. It was what made you a better race driver.
To me, Marco drove with what the car gave him, and made a bold but pure racing move. If the tires didn't shed so much, Kanaan could have made the turn and been able to stay in the hunt."Racing is life. Everything before or after, is just waiting." Steve McQueen, Le Mans
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28th May 2008, 05:06 #17
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Aside: Isn't nice to talk about the racing, and not the politics?
"Racing is life. Everything before or after, is just waiting." Steve McQueen, Le Mans
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28th May 2008, 05:24 #18
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Tyres are too soft. If you want less marbles and lower cornering speeds without giving them less power, give them harder tyres. Also opens up more lines.
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28th May 2008, 06:49 #19
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I think Marco made a mistake. But he's young and careless, so he's supposed to make these mistakes.
I agree that the tires should be harder.
I don't think Tony Stewart's complaints were about a lack of grip from the tires, but just a general history of poor quality tires over the last few years.racing-reference.info/showblog?id=1785
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28th May 2008, 08:16 #20
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exactly my observation too regading the possible racing lines. Overtaking was not the easiest and blocking (or almost blocking) could be seen often.
I also say something needs to be done to give at least a second decent line through curves.
There could have been more action into the corners.
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