Rally History (part II)

[januszsz]

Marathon de la Route -- Liège - Rome - Liège - 1938 / 1952
FRITZ Huschke von Hanstein - ???? Bund (Hanomag 4c 1494)
Jean Trévoux - MARCEL Lesurque (Hotchkiss 3486))
PETER MAX Müller - GUSTAV Menz (Auto Union Wanderer 1963)
AUGUST Momberger - ???? Weidauer (Auto Union Wanderer 1963)
ALEKSANDER MaZurek - ???? Rzadkowski (Chevrolet 3543) - PL-
Yves Lesur - LUIGI? Penchennati (Simca 1090)
Giorgio

Thats, what I can add here.
Regards
Janusz

[Giorgio]

Very Thanks, Janusz!

Regards

Giorgio

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.......


9- 10 aprile 1988
Belgium

TAC Rally
Start: Tielt
Finish: Tielt

km. ????
groups N - A
championnat de belgique des rallyes
national rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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26-27 marzo 1988
Belgium

Rally de Hannut
Start: Hannut
Finish: Hannut

km. ????
groups N - A
championnat de belgique des rallyes

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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11 marzo 1988
Belgium

38° Circuit des Ardennes
Start: Dinant
Finish: Dinant

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
championnat de belgique des rallyes
international rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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15 maggio 1987
Belgium

Haspengouw Rally
Start: Landen
Finish: Landen

km. ????
groups N - A - B
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
championnat de belgique des rallyes
international rally

Results:
1. Patrick Snijers - ???? ???? (Lancia Delta HF)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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The dates for:
Rally Omloop van Vlaanderen (1993 - 1994 - 1995 - 1996 - 1997 - 1998 - 1999)
Rally de Wallonie (1991 - 1992 - 1993 - 1994)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[Kaps]

I've read that, in order to be classified in 1987 World Rally Championship for drivers, every works driver had to have at least 1 start on a non-European rally.
However, Jean Ragnotti (a works Renault driver) was classified 5th in the Drivers' Championship with 51 points, having competed on Monte, Portugal, Corsica, Acropolis and San Remo. Not one outside Europe.

The same goes for his team-mate Francois Chatriot, as well, classified 13th, with 22 points.

Were Renault team excepted from that rule,or what?
Does anyone know anything more about that?

Thanks!

[januszsz]

I've read that, in order to be classified in 1987 World Rally Championship for drivers, every works driver had to have at least 1 start on a non-European rally.
However, Jean Ragnotti (a works Renault driver) was classified 5th in the Drivers' Championship with 51 points, having competed on Monte, Portugal, Corsica, Acropolis and San Remo. Not one outside Europe.

The same goes for his team-mate Francois Chatriot, as well, classified 13th, with 22 points.

Were Renault team excepted from that rule,or what?
Does anyone know anything more about that?

Thanks!

According to Martin Holmes' explanation of "points rules" for WRC 1987 driver had to copete at least once to became the World Champion. There is nothing about dividing drivers as "works" and "non-works" ones and applying them different rules. But participants of Production Car Cup (group N) to be classified were obliged to take part at least one outside Europe.
Regards
Janusz

[januszsz]

I lost few words and it makes my answer has no sence:
According to Martin Holmes' explanation of "points rules" for WRC 1987 (Pirelli World Rallying 10) driver had to compete at least once overseas to became the World Champion. There was nothing about dividing drivers into "works" and "non-works" ones and applying them different rules. But participants of Production Car Cup (group N) to be classified were obliged to take part at least one outside Europe.
Regards
Janusz

[Dalmi]

In the final results of 1987, Jean Ragnotti (5th) is considered as NP (no points) in some books and the same for Chatriot. Probably, your final results includes Ragnotti, Chatriot and some more elses (Béguin, Salonen, Loubet, Saby, Auriol...) but they must not be in an official classement.
In the constructors classement, Renault figures in third place according with the points it gets with the local 18 GTX in Argentina Rally

Regards

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.......


30 maggio - 1 giugno 1986
3° Rally de Wallonie
Start: Jambes
Finish: Jambes

km. ???
groups N - A - B
championnat de belgique des rallyes
international rally

Results:
1. Robert Droogmans - Ronny Joosten (Ford RS 200)
2. Patrick Snijers - Daniel Colebunders (Lancia 037 Rally)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)


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1-2 maggio 1987
4° Rally de Wallonie
Start: Jambes
Finish: Jambes

km. ???
groups N - A
championnat de belgique des rallyes
national rally

Results:
1. Robert Droogmans - Ronny Joosten (Ford Sierra Cosworth)
2. ???? Walfridson - ???? Briesen (Renault 5 GT Turbo)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)


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11 marzo 1988
38° Circuit des Ardennes
Start: Dinant
Finish: Dinant

km. ????
groups N - A
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
championnat de belgique des rallyes
international rally

Results:
1. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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15 maggio 1987
Haspengouw Rally
Start: Landen
Finish: Landen

km. ????
groups N - A - B
fia european rally championship - coeff. ??
championnat de belgique des rallyes
international rally

Results:
1. Patrick Snijers - ???? ???? (Lancia Delta HF)
2. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)
3. ???? ???? - ???? ???? (????)

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The dates for:
Rally Omloop van Vlaanderen (1993 - 1994 - 1995 - 1996 - 1997 - 1998 - 1999)
Rally de Wallonie (1991 - 1992 - 1993 - 1994)
Sezoens Rally (1985 - 1986 - 1987 - 1988 - 1989 - 1990 - 1991 - 1992 - 1993 - 1994 - 1995)

Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[kabouter]

I've read that, in order to be classified in 1987 World Rally Championship for drivers, every works driver had to have at least 1 start on a non-European rally.

Interesting point this. It's the first time I've heard about this rule, and as Janusz has already mentioned Martin Holmes doesn't say anything about it in World Rallying. When I'm home I'll check some other books, but I don't remember seeing this rule before. What is your source?

[Kaps]

Hi kabouter!
It's been a while since I last heard from you!

Well, like janusz said, it looks like it was a one non-European start required in order to became a Drivers' world champion, and not to be eligible to be classified in the championship, as it says on jonkka's site, here, in the note in the top right corner:

http://www.juwra.com/season_1987_points.html