Rally History (part II)

[jaybond]

Hi guys,


Out of curiosity, just how the Ford RS200 Evo would fare against Audi Sport Quattro S1 Evo, Peugeot 205 T16 Evo & Lancia Delta S4?

I'm also quite suprised to see that the 600+ bhp RS200 Evo doesn't have much wings compared to the similarly powerful Audi Sport Quattro S1 Evo?
Is it stable enough?

http://automobile.2405.com/automobil...00evo_2405.jpg

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/pic.p...m=1&carnum=610

[jrally]

Does anyone knows the reasons of retirements in Acropolis 2005 of Jaan Molder Jr and Ricardo Triviño ?

Thanks in advance
Regards
jorge

[FAL]

Out of curiosity, just how the Ford RS200 Evo would fare against Audi Sport Quattro S1 Evo, Peugeot 205 T16 Evo & Lancia Delta S4?

No one can ever know. (Rallycross is not a real comparison with rallying).
Like the Metro 6R4, the RS200 was delayed and Ford, like Austin Rover, found when they started rallying it at world level they had underestimated where Peugeot and Lancia would be in development by then. Conversely, Peugeot and Lancia were further down the road to getting the ultimate development and thus had less to come. Many think the RS200 Evo would have dominated Group B rallying. The Metro 6R4 never would have done without a complete re-homologation of another 200 cars along the lines of the Will Gollop turbo rallycross Metro. Its lack of turbos meant Evolution would not have helped it. As for Audi, many feel they never would have really "got it together" and had missed their chance. Others, however, believe a front-engined car fully sorted with all the right bits would have been the best. When Pentti expesses that view, as he has on this forum, we should all listen.

[Kaps]

At 1984 RAC McRae-Nicholson & Fisher-Frazer were in the Opel Mantas entered by GM Dealersport.
I wonder, did that had anything to do with the works Opel Euro Team (like, for example, Nissan/DT Dobie entries at Safari), or was it a separate, private entry?

[FAL]

The UK GM operations were always dealer funded to a greater or lesser degree. That included the DTV Chevette programme. Moreover, support for particular drivers can be linked to Vauxhall/Opel dealer involvement (John Cleland in racing, quite apart from rallying). Laterly this funding was inadequate and additional sponsors were associated.
"Following the money" is always difficult. I can't be sure there was no financial input from the main Opel team in Russelheim but I doubt it. However, you also need to remember the (British) team manager of the Opel team in Russelheim ended up in jail for financial irregularities......

[FAL]

Russel Brookes was also in a GM Dealersport Manta on the 84 RAC. His carried Andrews sponsorship, McRae's AC Delco (the GM spare parts operation) and Fisher's Shell, confirming additional money was having to be found to run the cars at all. I'm not sure whether Fisher's car was built in Ireland by Sydney Meeke or in England with the other two but all three were under the GM Dealersport service "umbrella" at that time. Their results were claimed by GM UK but reality was the UK GM HQ operation (making Vauxhalls not Opels) was not putting its hand in its pocket to fund them. Once the team was using Vauxhall Astras in GpA (a car built in the UK) things may have been different.

[Kaps]

Thanks very much FAL.

[Giorgio]

Someone knows.....

Rally Lyon – Charbonnières
1949 ???? Blondel - ???? Monestier
1949 J.???? Gobba – J.???? Durand
1949 ???? Trolliet - ???? Chatillon
1950 Marc Gignoux - ???? Ugnon
1950 ???? Benmussa - ???? Joux
1951 Gaston Gautruche - ???? Girier
1952 Noel Pouderoux - ???? Quincieu
1953 ???? Peignaux - ???? Jacquin
1953 Claude Storez - L.???? Storez
1953 René Cotton - ???? Letort
1954 Marcel Gacon - ???? Arcan
1954 ???? Matussière - ???? Lemasson
1955 Georges Houel - ???? Pilliet
1955 ???? Galtier - ???? Parizot
1956 ???? Storr - Mme???? Gillestre
1956 René Cotton - ???? Leclère
1957 Robert Gentilini - ???? Chevrier
1957 ???? Aumas – ???? Grandt
1957 ???? Schild – Lillie Aumas
1976 Alain Serpaggi - ???? Andreanni
1979 Bernard Beguin - ???? ????


Thanks in advance

Giorgio

[Carles Bosch 2]

Someone knows.....

Rally Lyon – Charbonnières
1949 ???? Blondel - ???? Monestier
1949 J.???? Gobba – J.???? Durand
1949 ???? Trolliet - ???? Chatillon
1950 Marc Gignoux - ???? Ugnon
1950 ???? Benmussa - ???? Joux
1951 Gaston Gautruche - ???? Girier
1952 Noel Pouderoux - ???? Quincieu
1953 ???? Peignaux - ???? Jacquin
1953 Claude Storez - L.???? Storez
1953 René Cotton - ???? Letort
1954 Marcel Gacon - ???? Arcan
1954 ???? Matussière - ???? Lemasson
1955 Georges Houel - ???? Pilliet
1955 ???? Galtier - ???? Parizot
1956 ???? Storr - Mme???? Gillestre
1956 René Cotton - ???? Leclère
1957 Robert Gentilini - ???? Chevrier
1957 ???? Aumas – ???? Grandt
1957 ???? Schild – Lillie Aumas
1976 Alain Serpaggi - ???? Andreanni
1979 Bernard Beguin - ???? ????


Thanks in advance

Giorgio

Only a few:

- J.??? Durand: Back in those years in french rallying there was a chap called André Durand around... but I don't know for sure if is the same J. Durand
- Girier: Raymond
- Jacquin: Roger
- L.??? Storez: Léon
- Marcel Gacon: I have A. Gacon in my database. Is the same chap?
- Arcan: Henri
- Storr: Guy
- Leclère: J.
- Aumas: Jean-Pierre


Carles.

[Giorgio]

Only a few:

- Marcel Gacon: I have A. Gacon in my database. Is the same chap?

Carles.

Is Marcel Gacon with Henri Arcan!

Thank you Carles!

Giorgio