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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagwan View Post
    I get that Max has a reputation for being pushy , but pretty much all agree he has toned it down a long way from back then .

    This wasn't that .
    Yes , it was aggressive , and yes , it was risky , but it was also good racecraft .
    He kept Lewis tight down the straight approaching the corner , and then took the racing line , knowing that Lewis would know he was too tight to make the corner at that speed , and then left room inside for him to do it .
    Leclerc didn't keep Lewis in tight , and lost the fight , because Lewis had a better line in .
    You describe well the reason why a crash was inevitable at Corpse corner. One cannot keep a competitor who is alongside you, tight approaching a corner and expect them to back off to let you waltz through with ease. Your competitor would hug you tight as well to force you to take a wider line through the corner. That is fighting through the corner. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

    Well, he did not make allowances for Hamilton fighting him through the corner and turn into Hamilton, causing the crash. It was very daft. And you chaps just keep making a mockery of yourselves describing why it was dumb driving.

    BTW Leclerc has his head well screwed on. A proper smart driver that thinks well on his feet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    As mentioned before Max has pushed the boundaries of aggressive racing already this year, and each time Lewis has backed out. There was always going to come a time when Lewis said enough is enough. Now Max knows that if he cuts across Lewis like that again he may very well end up in the wall.

    And why should he care? Max didn't care if he took Lewis off in Imola or Spain. Throughout his career Lewis has been an impeccably clean driver but if you come Up against a guy that has shown you he's happy to take you out to gain or keep position you must stand your ground. Lewis quite rightly did this on Saturday. He took the same uncompromising approach Max took and Max paid the price.
    It's one thing teaching someone you are not going to be bullied... but at 180mph? That's psychopath territory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
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    Perhaps.. but more pertinently it also tells us Lewis knew what was likely to happen and didn't care, he was prepared to punt Max off the track at what was it... 180mph? and all for a championship.

    Well despite my own thoughts about that, we certainly can't accuse him of lacking drive or dedication to winning his 8th title. No qualms of F's given...

    Interesting but also worrying times ahead. ��
    But why should he care. To back off means to let Verstappen bully his way into winning the championship. Racing is not about bullying but expert racecraft to fairly get ahead and win. Beating your opponent fair and square is where the respect is at. Not bullying. You are delusional if you think Hamilton or any other driver would put up with persistent bully driving from Verstappen.

    I actually think this would give other drivers a wake-up call to not tolerate Verstappen's antics anymore also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    It's one thing teaching someone you are not going to be bullied... but at 180mph? That's psychopath territory.
    There is not a speed where such a statement should be made. It would be made at whatever speed the bullying is taking place. At Silverstone, it took place at the fast-flowing corner of Corpse at 180 mph. That is the moment, speed and corner that Verstappen sought a response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    But why should he care. To back off means to let Verstappen bully his way into winning the championship. Racing is not about bullying but expert racecraft to fairly get ahead and win. Beating your opponent fair and square is where the respect is at. Not bullying. You are delusional if you think Hamilton or any other driver would put up with persistent bully driving from Verstappen.

    I actually think this would give other drivers a wake-up call to not tolerate Verstappen's antics anymore also.

    See my answer to TBK..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    It's one thing teaching someone you are not going to be bullied... but at 180mph? That's psychopath territory.
    It's racing driving. Hard lesson hard taught. Spain could have been very bad for Lewis. Had Max smashed into him he would have gone straight into Lewis side cockpit, which could have been a fatal accident. I don't remember you being so inflated about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia 01 View Post
    You mean the chrash serves a double cause?
    Yep, it had a double effect. The Redbull could take no further part in the race. And there was the cost from a limited budget to fix the damage. But do not mean you should blame Hamilton double times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    See my answer to TBK..
    There is nothing psychopathic about it. It is normal racing. This is how it is done for 71 seasons now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Black Knight View Post
    It's racing driving. Hard lesson hard taught. Spain could have been very bad for Lewis. Had Max smashed into him he would have gone straight into Lewis side cockpit, which could have been a fatal accident. I don't remember you being so inflated about it.
    Short memory that is why. I distinctly remember saying that this sort of racing is going to result in a bad crash one day as Hamilton would not stand for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    It's one thing teaching someone you are not going to be bullied... but at 180mph? That's psychopath territory.
    that's attempted murder if one could prove it was on purpose.

    but although hamiltons statement would make you think otherwise, i find it hard to believe it was actually his intention to send max into the wall.

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