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    The road would deteriorate then also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kefdude View Post
    Question. Why can't they just change the tires used? I understand that using spikes on this shoyt is bad for the surface, but why not use regular mud tires instead? At least the rally would happen.
    I bet the roads would be totally killed after morning round of stages... And it would mean multiple times more money to repair/build up the roads again..

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    Presumably the FIA must have had conversations with the Swedish organisers due to close calls that have come before, and with the weather changes that are happening globally (for whatever reason you believe to be right) it seems clear that for an event such as this we need to move further North.
    I think everyone wants to keep a genuine winter rally, but the need for a location with more predictable weather seems to be needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    From the top of my head I immediatelly think of Östersund or maybe somewhere around Falun.
    Swedish quys would know more.

    They'd loose the benefit of co-arrangement with Norway though, not sure how much that matters.
    I came to think about Umeå area. Some swedish championships decided there in winters. Could be something serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    2. The unfrozen wet roads don't withstand rallying
    Interesting. Whats difference between this and other spring or autumn rallies driving in wet conditions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex009 View Post
    Interesting. Whats difference between this and other spring or autumn rallies driving in wet conditions?
    The problem is with the moisture in the low temperatures and/or ground frost melting. In the autumn it's not a problem. In Finland there's usually no rallying in April and May during the thaw time. Roads get usually damaged even without rallying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex009 View Post
    Interesting. Whats difference between this and other spring or autumn rallies driving in wet conditions?
    The gravel is too loose under much wet conditions.

    From May onwards gravelroads usually have dried up so surface stays intact. On daily used ones that is.
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    Best bet to keep rally in Sweden might be Ostersund - Are - Trondheim area. That would have good synergies with Alpine skiing, big cities, good connections and everything. Possibility to split stages between Sweden and Norway like currently.

    If not in Sweden, other potential options with rally culture could be Hokkaido or Canada. For sure Toyota and Subaru would like to see even two rallies in Japan. More extreme market choices could be Vladivostok area in Pacific Russia or even Northern China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    I came to think about Umeå area. Some swedish championships decided there in winters. Could be something serious.
    Vännäs yes. However if you look at the snow depth maps very little snow in Umeå. Granö which is 50 km noth-northwest of Vännäs (which is 30 km west of Umeå) only have 38 cm and Vännäs have 24.
    So it's not huge amounts of snow there either. It's quite dire along the entire Norrland coastline.
    ...Funny how ev'rything was roses when we held on to the guns...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy J View Post
    Best bet to keep rally in Sweden might be Ostersund - Are - Trondheim area. That would have good synergies with Alpine skiing, big cities, good connections and everything. Possibility to split stages between Sweden and Norway like currently.

    If not in Sweden, other potential options with rally culture could be Hokkaido or Canada. Toyota and Subaru for sure would like to see even two rallies in Japan. More extreme market choices could be Vladivostok area in Pacific Russia or even Northern China.
    Åre are not interested because hotels would be occupied but much less people would by access to the alpine ski systems = less income.
    ...Funny how ev'rything was roses when we held on to the guns...

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