Renault get a 2 year suspended ban

[ioan]

nothing happening to piquet Jr

He was given immunity, just like Alonso and PDLR in 2007.
I don't remember about you complaining about this practice 2 years ago.

[BeansBeansBeans]

Mosley wanted Ron Dennis and Flavio Briatore out of the sport. Piquet, Alonso and de la Rosa were able to assist in this and thus were given immunity. The only questions is: Has Max finished, or are there any other enemies?

[BDunnell]

It's one of the things which annoys me most on this forum. IIRC SGWilko was very vocal in his defence of McLaren before the hearing and as soon as it came out that the allegations were true he (quite rightly) changed his tune and realised that what had happened was serious and you have to respect him for that. Others however simply don't want to go back on what they said or are too stupid to understand what went on and if it were up to me these sorts of people would be banned from this forum.

As, in my case, would those (and this is not directed at your good self) whose opinion changes dramatically depending upon which teams happen to be involved in whichever matter is being discussed.

[ioan]

I complained back then, and I think Alonso and Pedro de la la whatever should have faced sanctions also...

Yeah, but I was not talking to you! :

The FIA loves to reward informants for some reason....

You can accuse about any prosecutor and police in the world for exactly that.

[BDunnell]

No offence to you Daniel, but its not just the Mclaren fans on here that twist circumstances. It seems for certain individuals that its all about the team in question rather than having a point of view. One person I can think of had 3 very strong opinions about defending on track and said in one instance:

"If the only way he can pass is by bullying others of the track with very dangerous moves, than he better go to a destruction derby, and take DC with him too."....

Then forgot this stance, and posted this:

"Everyone is entitled to one defensive move, thats already very limiting when you think that they should be racing and not inviting each other to go by. I'd take a driver like Vettel anyday over a pussy like Kovalainen"...

Now if this is not twisting facts to suit a POV, then I don't know what is..

Precisely right. But we have had a thread on that sort of matter and the moderators showed no sign of acting, so that's not a discussion for here.

[ioan]

Mosley wanted Ron Dennis and Flavio Briatore out of the sport. Piquet, Alonso and de la Rosa were able to assist in this and thus were given immunity. The only questions is: Has Max finished, or are there any other enemies?

He's running out of time right now, so I think that unless he manages to take down Bernie with a 'coup de maitre' he will stop here.

[F1boat]

Maybe it is for the better. From the old boys now only Frank and Ross remain. Frank is unpleasant and cold, but he is not a cheater in my opinion. Ross, I think he is on the edge, but never crossing it. Ross I think is also very smart, smarter than Ron, Flav, or Max. Maybe F1 needs the old boys gone.

[hmmm - donuts]

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[Bagwan]

I'll miss Flavio .
Every story needs a good villian .
He was the epitome of corpulent opulence , with his sweaty sunglasses reflecting the latest model to be displayed on his boat in the harbour .

I don't feel particularly sorry for him , as only his TV time will change , not his lifestyle . He's got enough to buy your a$$ , and sell it to the highest bidder , which is precisely what eventually got him in trouble .
Sitting on both sides of the table , as he was , was a plum spot , but the shark pool is smaller now , with more money pressure .
In the tobacco days , it was easy .

One thing that I wonder is , who's idea was this ruse in the first place ?

Was it Symmonds ? Would that be why he didn't cop the same plea as Piquet , fearing he might be fired ?

Was it Flavio ? Given he seems so lost when speaking about strategies , could he have come up with this ?

Was it Piquet ? Could he or his father have intimated that he would do anything to stay with the team ?

Was it Renault ? Could the strategists have seen this and alerted Symmonds ?
This suggestion holds water because Renault , with ING sponsoring the GP , would have wanted desperately to win , especially after a long drought , with talk of manufacturers leaving in the air . And , so far , I've only seen this referenced as reasoning for Flavio to have instigated the scam .


Who thought this up ?

[ioan]

Yes but as you said some days ago this is not a matter for a criminal courts, so on that basis the people who do wrong should be punished. All of them not just half of them. Piquet was more than willing to spill the beans on this, so I fail to see why the immunity card was issued.

That's a very flawed logic based on bias and nothing else.