2009 rules and their failure to produce better racing

[Garry Walker]

There will never be lots of overtaking in F1, because usually faster cars are in front and slower cars are at the back after qualifying. So what do you want? Force India car to pressure Red Bull car into a mistake?

If you want 10000 overtakes per lap, watch nascar. F1 is simply not that kind of series and never will be.

[MrJan]

I'm fairly sure that we have seen more on track racing than we did in recent years. Okay so it's not a one-make excite-a-thon but there has been some degree of improvement. Last season we would maybe be lucky to see one or 2 moves per race and rarely a battle. Now we see more passing and times when a fast non-KERS car can actually dice with a KERS car, like we saw yesterday with Rubens/Heikki

[BeansBeansBeans]

There will never be lots of overtaking in F1, because usually faster cars are in front and slower cars are at the back after qualifying. So what do you want? Force India car to pressure Red Bull car into a mistake?

If you want 10000 overtakes per lap, watch nascar. F1 is simply not that kind of series and never will be.

I agree 100%

A lot of people tend to over-react everytime we have a dull GP. People tend to forget that there have always been dull GPs and always will be.

[ioan]

There will never be lots of overtaking in F1, because usually faster cars are in front and slower cars are at the back after qualifying. So what do you want? Force India car to pressure Red Bull car into a mistake?

If you want 10000 overtakes per lap, watch nascar. F1 is simply not that kind of series and never will be.

The point of the thread is that with the current restrictions for track testing, Wind tunnel testing and CFD usage, it's impossible to catch up a runaway team before it's to late and they gave up improving their car.

Let's face it, the championship is over and if Bernie want's to have spectators after the 10th or 11th round he'll have to beg Brawn to let others come close to Jenson every now and then.

[ioan]

I agree 100%

A lot of people tend to over-react every time we have a dull GP. People tend to forget that there have always been dull GPs and always will be.

The problem is that we got plenty of technical and sporting rule changes that turned out to produce exactly the opposite. or do you think that the racing is better than it was in the last 4 seasons?!

I don't care to much about passing, and I don't care if Brawn wins by a country mile this season (which will certainly happen), I question the rule changes that were made!

[stevie_gerrard]

The fact is that the early development of the Brawn car has given them a head start and when you get that, its hard for other teams to catch up. They are getting better, but Brawn are so far ahead in terms of reliability that it's hard to see anything other than a Brawn win. I just wish Rubens would start winning a few to bring some excitement to the title race this season.

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The point of the thread is that with the current restrictions for track testing, Wind tunnel testing and CFD usage, it's impossible to catch up a runaway team before it's to late and they gave up improving their car.

Let's face it, the championship is over and if Bernie want's to have spectators after the 10th or 11th round he'll have to beg Brawn to let others come close to Jenson every now and then.

Ferrari are catching up if you hadn't noticed.

[ioan]

Ferrari are catching up if you hadn't noticed.

Good one!




Did you watch the race yesterday?!

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Did you watch Monaco and Spanish GP or did you fall asleep during those races?

[Sleeper]

I have to agree, the loss of in season testing will hurt anyone who didn't produce the goods over the winter.
This is clearly evident with the plight of McLaren and Ferrari, however Ferrari at least appear to be dealing with things a little (quite a bit) better.

As for overtaking, we clearly saw Vettel in a faster lighter car get stuck behind Button, so the regs certainly haven't produced what was promised. Or possibly that was down to the double decker diffuser.

The loss of in season testing certainly seems to have hurt a lot, it needed to be reduced but banned was a bad decision.

I disagree with people that say that the racing is worse though, the rules do seem to have worked in the fact that the cars are visually able to follow closer than last year, it just doesnt seem to be quite enough. You pick out Vettel and blame the diffuser but I think thats rubbish, I didnt see anyone else have any trouble following the McLaren or Renault, particularly through turn 8 (!) and those two cars have had DDD's since China so I think that might be a case of the Red Bull just being very sensitive in the wake of another car.

The last two years were great because Ferrari and McLaren had cars of a similar pace but it was still a case of one track favouring one car over the other and a few where they really were equal. This year Brawn have a clear lead over every one else and its not helped by Rubens being unable to match Jenson.