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    Well Mikkelsen gets payed at Skoda I guess.
    So he is maybe just realistic and knows that the ship of fighting for the championship and rally wins has sailed and it's just about making a living as a rally driver. After all rallying is a sport with a very narrow top, very few manage to get paid doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
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    They are not a charity.
    They will pay but only for regular rally winners / Championship contenders. Sadly Breen showed it wasn't worth paying for potential.

    Mikkelsen isnt proven in a Rally1 car and I dont see him fighting for rally wins, let alone a Championship. He would have to bring big sponsors to get a drive.

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    https://www.rallyfish.co.uk/news/m-s...-rally1-return

    Is Rallyfish reliable, never heard of them before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    They will pay but only for regular rally winners / Championship contenders. Sadly Breen showed it wasn't worth paying for potential.

    Mikkelsen isnt proven in a Rally1 car and I dont see him fighting for rally wins, let alone a Championship. He would have to bring big sponsors to get a drive.
    I don't understand this "he haven't drive the Rally1 car" talk? Its not a F35 fighter plane...

    Eighter you can drive a rally car, or you can not.

    Mikkelsen is a proven winner, but he has been out of topclass a while.
    The Hyundai was shit for him, and The Goat. He was close to win in the "shitröen" to.
    Multiple wrc2 winner, lots of experience in lots of cars, he can win in the right car.
    Not the WDC probably, but definitive rallies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    They will pay
    I'm not convinced they ever have, even with Breen, but we're both unlikely to get provable answers on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skarderud View Post
    I don't understand this "he haven't drive the Rally1 car" talk? Its not a F35 fighter plane...

    Eighter you can drive a rally car, or you can not.

    Mikkelsen is a proven winner, but he has been out of topclass a while.
    The Hyundai was shit for him, and The Goat. He was close to win in the "shitröen" to.
    Multiple wrc2 winner, lots of experience in lots of cars, he can win in the right car.
    Not the WDC probably, but definitive rallies.

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    The elite WRC drivers are at such a level in the Rally1 cars that I dont see anyone just coming in being able to match or beat them. Even Elfyn Evans with full experience struggled to adapt to the Yaris Rally1. And Tanak wasn't happy in either the i20 or the Puma and only his genius got wins in them.

    M-Sport will only pay for the elite now or just maybe a young guy with massive potential, like Oliver Solberg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    I'm not convinced they ever have, even with Breen, but we're both unlikely to get provable answers on this.
    Well they definitely paid Ogier, and this year, Tanak.

    Breen had a "two-year deal" so that sounds like he was paid, even if just a retainer and M-Sport funded everything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Well they definitely paid Ogier, and this year, Tanak.

    Breen had a "two-year deal" so that sounds like he was paid, even if just a retainer and M-Sport funded everything else.
    I agree all three of these got paid and had deals, and Lappi too, I just don't agree to M-Sport's cost, or that they are funding anything.

    Perhaps can see this as an accounting detail, but the context here is I don't think the conversation that M-Sport might find budget to fight for wins and titles is a reflection of reality if the costs of enough (2) junior/novice drivers are being covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    I agree all three of these got paid and had deals, and Lappi too, I just don't agree to M-Sport's cost, or that they are funding anything.

    Perhaps can see this as an accounting detail, but the context here is I don't think the conversation that M-Sport might find budget to fight for wins and titles is a reflection of reality if the costs of enough (2) junior/novice drivers are being covered.
    It was widely-believed that M.Wilson paid Ogier out of his own (MSport) money as it was too much to get from sponsors alone. The same is probably true of Tanak. He (they) were willing to do this as they were Champions and would bring Titles or at least rally wins, which was great for the company.

    Young drivers gain more from their Rally1 drives than they give back, hence they need to bring funding. The figures I've heard to run a Rally1 car run into £millions and someone has to pay it.

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    M-Sport team principal Richard Millener is confident that a young driver line-up it is planning for next year can be competitive in the World Rally Championship.


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