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[AnttiL]

This whole "taking off points" thing is a totally weird concept to me. You can't really plan it in advance, just drive as good as you can, and to win the title you have to be faster than the others, also your teammates.

Especially when people talk about taking points off on power stages. How can you estimate that "I'm going to drive faster than my 1st drivers rivals but not as fast as my 1st driver". Of course it's a different issue if your 1st driver has retired, then just try to win the power stage for yourself.

[ouvreur]

I'd like to think that Tanak is capable of accumulating enough of his own points to win, without needing a wingman to help him out.

Give him a reliable and fast enough car, and he'll be just fine - regardless of who else is using a Puma in 2023.

[Rallyest]

I'd like to think that Tanak is capable of accumulating enough of his own points to win, without needing a wingman to help him out.

Give him a reliable and fast enough car, and he'll be just fine - regardless of who else is using a Puma in 2023.

I agree, 2019 is a perfect example of that.

[Jewy46]

I agree, 2019 is a perfect example of that.

And the latter part of this season, he was the in form driver because he was given a capable car. He is lightning quick and should have more than 1 title (and would if he didn't leave Toyota IMO).
Let's see if this move brings that second crown. I'd have my doubts but happy to be proved wrong

[cali]

I agree, 2019 is a perfect example of that.

It was 4 years ago....

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[Rallyest]

It was 4 years ago....

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So you are saying Tänak is slower than in 2019?

I doubt it, he has just been stuck in a Hyundai that doesnt suit his driving style completely, and based on his feedback i think the Puma does, and if the car holds up, which i hope it does based on word from Tänaks and m-sport words about ford involvment then regarding raw speed nobody comes close to him and Kalle, not even Ogier since he isnt driving an full season and does not need to go to the maximum.

I think this year we saw 98% maximum driving from Kalle when he was making every top driver look like sissys, but Ott was probably around 85-90 because of the not trusting the car to go 110%(oy exeption is finland where i believe Tänak went 100% and even over the limit to win)

[cali]

So you are saying Tänak is slower than in 2019?

I doubt it, he has just been stuck in a Hyundai that doesnt suit his driving style completely, and based on his feedback i think the Puma does, and if the car holds up, which i hope it does based on word from Tänaks and m-sport words about ford involvment then regarding raw speed nobody comes close to him and Kalle, not even Ogier since he isnt driving an full season and does not need to go to the maximum.

I think this year we saw 98% maximum driving from Kalle when he was making every top driver look like sissys, but Ott was probably around 85-90 because of the not trusting the car to go 110%(oy exeption is finland where i believe Tänak went 100% and even over the limit to win)

All I'm saying what was 2019 doesn't necessarily hold any grounds today. A lot if things have changed including the car and the team, new rallies etc.

You can't draw any conclusions from 2019 when 4 years have passed

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[Rallyest]

All I'm saying what was 2019 doesn't necessarily hold any grounds today. A lot if things have changed including the car and the team, new rallies etc.

You can't draw any conclusions from 2019 when 4 years have passed

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I mean, cars and teams wont affect the fact if you are able to finish first or second on every rally, and i mean Tänak is able to fight for victory on every surface in capable machinery, what for example neuville probably isnt able to whatever car you put him in(fast gravel, snow) then you dont need help from team to steal points.

Kalle, Ott and even Elfyn are drivers who have proved they can be in fight for top 3 positions every rally if the cars clicks right and dont need as much assist from team. They are drivers who are used to get by themselves without team help or orders.

[cali]

I mean, cars and teams wont affect the fact if you are able to finish first or second on every rally, and i mean Tänak is able to fight for victory on every surface in capable machinery, what for example neuville probably isnt able to whatever car you put him in(fast gravel, snow) then you dont need help from team to steal points.

Kalle, Ott and even Elfyn are drivers who have proved they can be in fight for top 3 positions every rally if the cars clicks right and dont need as much assist from team. They are drivers who are used to get by themselves without team help or orders.

Okay then, please look and explain Evans's 2021 and 2022 seasons.

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[Rallyest]

Okay then, please look and explain Evans's 2021 and 2022 seasons then.

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2021 he was second, better thann Neuville and Kalle and Tänak...
2022 he had a hard time adappting to new car, which they are trying to improve. that doesnt change raw speed.