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18th September 2007, 17:03 #1
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The Alternative World of the Runner Ups
Hello everybody, have you ever tought about what the world of F1 could look today if every runner up of every championship had won? leaving specific circumstances aside, here they are.
WORLD DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP
1950 – Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo)
1951 – Alberto Ascari (Ferrari)
1952 – Giuseppe Farina (Ferrari)
1953 – Juan Manuel Fangio (Maserati)
1954 – José Froilan González (Ferrari)
1955 – Stirling Moss (Mercedes-Benz)
1956 – Stirling Moss (Maserati)
1957 – Stirling Moss (Vanwall)
1958 – Stirling Moss (Ferrari)
1959 – Tony Brooks (Vanwall)
1960 – Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax)
1961 – Wolfgang Von Trips (Ferrari)
1962 – Jim Clark (Lotus-Climax)
1963 – Graham Hill (BRM)
1964 – Graham Hill (BRM)
1965 – Graham Hill (BRM)
1966 – John Surtees (Ferrari)
1967 – Jack Brabham (Brabham-Repco)
1968 – Jackie Stewart (Matra-Ford Cosworth)
1969 – Jacky Ickx (Brabham-Ford Cosworth)
1970 – Jacky Ickx (Ferrari)
1971 – Ronnie Peterson (March-Ford Cosworth)
1972 – Jackie Stewart (Tyrrell-Ford Cosworth)
1973 – Emerson Fittipaldi (Lotus-Ford Cosworth)
1974 – Clay Regazzoni (Ferrari)
1975 – Emerson Fittipaldi (McLaren-Ford Cosworth)
1976 – Nikki Lauda (Ferrari)
1977 – Jody Scheckter (Wolf-Ford Cosworth)
1978 – Ronnie Peterson (Lotus-Ford Cosworth)
1979 – Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari)
1980 – Nelson Piquet (Brabham-Ford Cosworth)
1981 – Carlos Reutemann (Williams-Ford Cosworth)
1982 – Didier Pironi (Ferrari)
1983 – Alain Prost (Renault)
1984 – Alain Prost (McLaren-TAG Porsche)
1985 – Michele Alboreto (Ferrari)
1986 – Nigel Mansell (Williams-Honda)
1987 – Nigel Mansell (Williams-Honda)
1988 – Alain Prost (McLaren-Honda)
1989 – Ayrton Senna (McLaren-Honda)
1990 – Alain Prost (Ferrari)
1991 – Nigel Mansell (Williams-Renault)
1992 – Ricardo Patrese (Williams-Renault)
1993 – Ayrton Senna (McLaren-Ford Cosworth)
1994 – Damon Hill (Williams-Renault)
1995 – Damon Hill (Williams-Renault)
1996 – Jacques Villeneuve (Williams-Renault)
1997 – Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Williams-Renault)
1998 – Michael Schumacher (Ferrari)
1999 – Eddie Irvine (Ferrari)
2000 – Mika Häkkinen (McLaren-Mercedes)
2001 – David Coulthard (McLaren-Mercedes)
2002 – Rubens Barrichello (Ferrari)
2003 – Kimi Räikkönen (McLaren-Mercedes)
2004 – Rubens Barrichello (Ferrari)
2005 – Kimi Räikkönen (McLaren-Mercedes)
2006 – Michael Schumacher (Ferrari)
What do we find, there are some names that still are strong even in this imaginary list, Prost looks strong, not the same about Schumacher or Senna, What an unfair world of F1 was for Moss
AMOUNT OF CHAMPIONSHIPS BY DRIVER
DRIVERS
Alain Prost 4
Stirling Moss 4
Nigel Mansell 3
Graham Hill 3
Juan Manuel Fangio 2
Jackie Stewart 2
Jacky Ickx 2
Ronnie Peterson 2
Emerson Fittipaldi 2
Ayrton Senna 2
Damon Hill 2
Michael Schumacher 2
Rubens Barrichello 2
Kimi Räikkönen 2
Alberto Ascari 1
Giuseppe Farina 1
José Froilan González 1
Tony Brooks 1
Bruce McLaren 1
Wolfgang Von Trips 1
Jim Clark 1
John Surtees 1
Jack Brabham 1
Clay Regazzoni 1
Nikki Lauda 1
Jody Schekter 1
Gilles Villeneuve 1
Nelson Piquet 1
Carlos Reutemann 1
Didier Pironi 1
Michele Alboreto 1
Ricardo Patrese 1
Jacques Villeneuve 1
Heinz-Harald Frentzen 1
Eddie Irvine 1
Mika Häkkinen 1
David Coulthard 1
TEAMS WDC
Ferrari 18
McLaren 9
Williams 9
Lotus 3
BRM 3
Brabham 3
Maserati 2
Vanwall 2
Alfa Romeo 1
Mercedes-Benz 1
Cooper 1
Matra 1
Tyrrell 1
March 1
Wolf 1
Renault 1
Cheers M8'sEau Rouge@Spa-Francorchamps
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18th September 2007, 17:08 #2
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WCC's
Now, let's take a look of how today's Constructors' list could look, Ferrari still on top.
TEAM
1950 –
1951 –
1952 –
1953 –
1954 –
1955 –
1956 –
1957 –
1958 – Ferrari
1959 – Ferrari
1960 – Lotus-Climax
1961 – Lotus-Climax
1962 – Lotus-Climax
1963 – BRM
1964 – BRM
1965 – BRM
1966 – Ferrari
1967 – Lotus-Ford Cosworth
1968 – McLaren-Ford Cosworth
1969 – Brabham-Ford Cosworth
1970 – Ferrari
1971 – BRM
1972 – Tyrrell-Ford Cosworth
1973 – Tyrrell-Ford Cosworth
1974 – Ferrari
1975 – Brabham-Ford Cosworth
1976 – McLaren-Ford Cosworth
1977 – Lotus-Ford Cosworth
1978 – Ferrari
1979 – Williams-Ford Cosworth
1980 – Ligier-Ford Cosworth
1981 – Brabham-Ford Cosworth
1982 – McLaren-Ford Cosworth
1983 – Renault
1984 – Ferrari
1985 – Ferrari
1986 – McLaren-TAG Porsche
1987 – McLaren-TAG Porsche
1988 – Ferrari
1989 – Williams-Renault
1990 – Ferrari
1991 – Williams-Renault
1992 – McLaren-Honda
1993 – McLaren-Ford Cosworth
1994 – Benetton-Ford Cosworth
1995 – Williams-Renault
1996 – Ferrari
1997 – Ferrari
1998 – Ferrari
1999 – McLaren-Mercedes
2000 – McLaren-Mercedes
2001 – McLaren-Mercedes
2002 – Williams-BMW
2003 – Williams-BMW
2004 – BAR-Honda
2005 – McLaren-Mercedes
2006 – Ferrari
And by Amount
WCC'S
Ferrari 14
McLaren 11
Williams 6
Lotus 5
BRM 4
Brabham 2
Tyrrell 2
Ligier 1
Benetton 1
Renault 1
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18th September 2007, 18:01 #3
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This is fun and interesting... thank you for sharing.
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20th September 2007, 15:29 #4
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thanks reading it F1Boat
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20th September 2007, 15:50 #5
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Interesting, but what's the point of it
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21st September 2007, 12:56 #6
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I think we had a topic like this before in the Nostalgia forum
taking out the drivers that did win the championship those who got a career best of runner up can be categorized as
Drivers that could have won championships but didnt either because of circumstances or because of injuries and even death
ie. Stirling Moss, Bruce McLaren, Wolfgang von Trips, Ronnie Peterson, Gilles Villeneuve, Carlos Reutemann, Didier Pironi
Some that that was truly their best
ie Michele Alboreto, Ricardo Patrese
and some drivers that got 2nd just because it happened to be at the right place at the right time
ie. Heinz-Harald Frentzen and Eddie IrvineI got my motorcycle jacket, but I'm walking all the time...
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21st September 2007, 18:29 #7
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Hi ioan, well, my post really is pointless, but isn't almost any discussion posted on an F1 forum really pointless?, the sport itself it's pointless, racing cars polluting the planet it's pointless, even the life itself in the universe it's pointless. so whatever I felt like doing it. I did it just as an excersise to eliminate my utter boredom
Cheers mate, have a nice day.Eau Rouge@Spa-Francorchamps
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21st September 2007, 19:17 #8
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Originally Posted by OmarF1"You can mop the blood up later." - R.A. Lafferty
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23rd September 2007, 20:14 #9
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What is definitely food for thought is to edit the list by removing those who won the championship in other years. Here's the edited list
1954 – Jose Froilan Gonzalez (Ferrari)
1955 – Stirling Moss (Mercedes-Benz)
1956 – Stirling Moss (Maserati)
1957 – Stirling Moss (Vanwall)
1958 – Stirling Moss (Vanwall not Ferrari)
1959 – Tony Brooks (Ferrari not Vanwall)
1960 – Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax)
1961 – Wolfgang Von Trips (Ferrari)
1969 – Jacky Ickx (Brabham-Ford Cosworth)
1970 – Jacky Ickx (Ferrari)
1971 – Ronnie Peterson (March-Ford Cosworth)
1974 – Clay Regazzoni (Ferrari)
1978 – Ronnie Peterson (Lotus-Ford Cosworth)
1979 – Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari)
1981 – Carlos Reutemann (Williams-Ford Cosworth)
1982 – Didier Pironi (Ferrari)
1985 – Michele Alboreto (Ferrari)
1992 – Ricardo Patrese (Williams-Renault)
1997 – Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Williams-Renault)
1999 – Eddie Irvine (Ferrari)
2001 – David Coulthard (McLaren-Mercedes)
2002 – Rubens Barrichello (Ferrari)
2004 – Rubens Barrichello (Ferrari)
As Chris S so succinctly put it some "happened to be at the right place at the right time" but they were still good enough to make use of the car they had to finish second in the championship.
Moss, Peterson, Gilles Villeneuve and Tony Brooks are no surprise, but I was surprised by Jackie Ickx's two entries - I have never thought of him as a Grand Prix driver only as a spots car driver.
Also, had the dice fallen slightly differently several drivers could have had more championships to their tally led by Fangio and Prost with seven titles and Schumacher with nine.Duncan Rollo
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3rd October 2007, 14:31 #10
Stimulating topic this
Moss, Ickx and Peterson are the three that were the tragedies of GP history for failing to be WDC, all graced the sport with their presence.
1 GP win for Chris Amon would have uncorked the bottle and I'm sure would have led to at least 1 WDCKris Meeke got fired -PSG so terrified they quit!
What?
What's the first thing to come to...