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    Post The Alternative World of the Runner Ups

    Hello everybody, have you ever tought about what the world of F1 could look today if every runner up of every championship had won? leaving specific circumstances aside, here they are.

    WORLD DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP
    1950 – Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo)
    1951 – Alberto Ascari (Ferrari)
    1952 – Giuseppe Farina (Ferrari)
    1953 – Juan Manuel Fangio (Maserati)
    1954 – José Froilan González (Ferrari)
    1955 – Stirling Moss (Mercedes-Benz)
    1956 – Stirling Moss (Maserati)
    1957 – Stirling Moss (Vanwall)
    1958 – Stirling Moss (Ferrari)
    1959 – Tony Brooks (Vanwall)
    1960 – Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax)
    1961 – Wolfgang Von Trips (Ferrari)
    1962 – Jim Clark (Lotus-Climax)
    1963 – Graham Hill (BRM)
    1964 – Graham Hill (BRM)
    1965 – Graham Hill (BRM)
    1966 – John Surtees (Ferrari)
    1967 – Jack Brabham (Brabham-Repco)
    1968 – Jackie Stewart (Matra-Ford Cosworth)
    1969 – Jacky Ickx (Brabham-Ford Cosworth)
    1970 – Jacky Ickx (Ferrari)
    1971 – Ronnie Peterson (March-Ford Cosworth)
    1972 – Jackie Stewart (Tyrrell-Ford Cosworth)
    1973 – Emerson Fittipaldi (Lotus-Ford Cosworth)
    1974 – Clay Regazzoni (Ferrari)
    1975 – Emerson Fittipaldi (McLaren-Ford Cosworth)
    1976 – Nikki Lauda (Ferrari)
    1977 – Jody Scheckter (Wolf-Ford Cosworth)
    1978 – Ronnie Peterson (Lotus-Ford Cosworth)
    1979 – Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari)
    1980 – Nelson Piquet (Brabham-Ford Cosworth)
    1981 – Carlos Reutemann (Williams-Ford Cosworth)
    1982 – Didier Pironi (Ferrari)
    1983 – Alain Prost (Renault)
    1984 – Alain Prost (McLaren-TAG Porsche)
    1985 – Michele Alboreto (Ferrari)
    1986 – Nigel Mansell (Williams-Honda)
    1987 – Nigel Mansell (Williams-Honda)
    1988 – Alain Prost (McLaren-Honda)
    1989 – Ayrton Senna (McLaren-Honda)
    1990 – Alain Prost (Ferrari)
    1991 – Nigel Mansell (Williams-Renault)
    1992 – Ricardo Patrese (Williams-Renault)
    1993 – Ayrton Senna (McLaren-Ford Cosworth)
    1994 – Damon Hill (Williams-Renault)
    1995 – Damon Hill (Williams-Renault)
    1996 – Jacques Villeneuve (Williams-Renault)
    1997 – Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Williams-Renault)
    1998 – Michael Schumacher (Ferrari)
    1999 – Eddie Irvine (Ferrari)
    2000 – Mika Häkkinen (McLaren-Mercedes)
    2001 – David Coulthard (McLaren-Mercedes)
    2002 – Rubens Barrichello (Ferrari)
    2003 – Kimi Räikkönen (McLaren-Mercedes)
    2004 – Rubens Barrichello (Ferrari)
    2005 – Kimi Räikkönen (McLaren-Mercedes)
    2006 – Michael Schumacher (Ferrari)

    What do we find, there are some names that still are strong even in this imaginary list, Prost looks strong, not the same about Schumacher or Senna, What an unfair world of F1 was for Moss

    AMOUNT OF CHAMPIONSHIPS BY DRIVER

    DRIVERS

    Alain Prost 4
    Stirling Moss 4
    Nigel Mansell 3
    Graham Hill 3
    Juan Manuel Fangio 2
    Jackie Stewart 2
    Jacky Ickx 2
    Ronnie Peterson 2
    Emerson Fittipaldi 2
    Ayrton Senna 2
    Damon Hill 2
    Michael Schumacher 2
    Rubens Barrichello 2
    Kimi Räikkönen 2
    Alberto Ascari 1
    Giuseppe Farina 1
    José Froilan González 1
    Tony Brooks 1
    Bruce McLaren 1
    Wolfgang Von Trips 1
    Jim Clark 1
    John Surtees 1
    Jack Brabham 1
    Clay Regazzoni 1
    Nikki Lauda 1
    Jody Schekter 1
    Gilles Villeneuve 1
    Nelson Piquet 1
    Carlos Reutemann 1
    Didier Pironi 1
    Michele Alboreto 1
    Ricardo Patrese 1
    Jacques Villeneuve 1
    Heinz-Harald Frentzen 1
    Eddie Irvine 1
    Mika Häkkinen 1
    David Coulthard 1

    TEAMS WDC

    Ferrari 18
    McLaren 9
    Williams 9
    Lotus 3
    BRM 3
    Brabham 3
    Maserati 2
    Vanwall 2
    Alfa Romeo 1
    Mercedes-Benz 1
    Cooper 1
    Matra 1
    Tyrrell 1
    March 1
    Wolf 1
    Renault 1

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    Post WCC's

    Now, let's take a look of how today's Constructors' list could look, Ferrari still on top.

    TEAM

    1950 –
    1951 –
    1952 –
    1953 –
    1954 –
    1955 –
    1956 –
    1957 –
    1958 – Ferrari
    1959 – Ferrari
    1960 – Lotus-Climax
    1961 – Lotus-Climax
    1962 – Lotus-Climax
    1963 – BRM
    1964 – BRM
    1965 – BRM
    1966 – Ferrari
    1967 – Lotus-Ford Cosworth
    1968 – McLaren-Ford Cosworth
    1969 – Brabham-Ford Cosworth
    1970 – Ferrari
    1971 – BRM
    1972 – Tyrrell-Ford Cosworth
    1973 – Tyrrell-Ford Cosworth
    1974 – Ferrari
    1975 – Brabham-Ford Cosworth
    1976 – McLaren-Ford Cosworth
    1977 – Lotus-Ford Cosworth
    1978 – Ferrari
    1979 – Williams-Ford Cosworth
    1980 – Ligier-Ford Cosworth
    1981 – Brabham-Ford Cosworth
    1982 – McLaren-Ford Cosworth
    1983 – Renault
    1984 – Ferrari
    1985 – Ferrari
    1986 – McLaren-TAG Porsche
    1987 – McLaren-TAG Porsche
    1988 – Ferrari
    1989 – Williams-Renault
    1990 – Ferrari
    1991 – Williams-Renault
    1992 – McLaren-Honda
    1993 – McLaren-Ford Cosworth
    1994 – Benetton-Ford Cosworth
    1995 – Williams-Renault
    1996 – Ferrari
    1997 – Ferrari
    1998 – Ferrari
    1999 – McLaren-Mercedes
    2000 – McLaren-Mercedes
    2001 – McLaren-Mercedes
    2002 – Williams-BMW
    2003 – Williams-BMW
    2004 – BAR-Honda
    2005 – McLaren-Mercedes
    2006 – Ferrari

    And by Amount

    WCC'S

    Ferrari 14
    McLaren 11
    Williams 6
    Lotus 5
    BRM 4
    Brabham 2
    Tyrrell 2
    Ligier 1
    Benetton 1
    Renault 1
    BAR 1
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    This is fun and interesting... thank you for sharing.
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    thanks reading it F1Boat
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    Interesting, but what's the point of it
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    I think we had a topic like this before in the Nostalgia forum

    taking out the drivers that did win the championship those who got a career best of runner up can be categorized as

    Drivers that could have won championships but didnt either because of circumstances or because of injuries and even death
    ie. Stirling Moss, Bruce McLaren, Wolfgang von Trips, Ronnie Peterson, Gilles Villeneuve, Carlos Reutemann, Didier Pironi

    Some that that was truly their best
    ie Michele Alboreto, Ricardo Patrese

    and some drivers that got 2nd just because it happened to be at the right place at the right time
    ie. Heinz-Harald Frentzen and Eddie Irvine
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    Hi ioan, well, my post really is pointless, but isn't almost any discussion posted on an F1 forum really pointless?, the sport itself it's pointless, racing cars polluting the planet it's pointless, even the life itself in the universe it's pointless. so whatever I felt like doing it. I did it just as an excersise to eliminate my utter boredom

    Cheers mate, have a nice day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OmarF1
    Hi ioan, well, my post really is pointless, but isn't almost any discussion posted on an F1 forum really pointless?, the sport itself it's pointless, racing cars polluting the planet it's pointless, even the life itself in the universe it's pointless. so whatever I felt like doing it. I did it just as an excersise to eliminate my utter boredom

    Cheers mate, have a nice day.
    It's always nice to have a view of the way things could have been if the situation was different. Some pretty interesting statistics show up that way.
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    What is definitely food for thought is to edit the list by removing those who won the championship in other years. Here's the edited list
    1954 – Jose Froilan Gonzalez (Ferrari)
    1955 – Stirling Moss (Mercedes-Benz)
    1956 – Stirling Moss (Maserati)
    1957 – Stirling Moss (Vanwall)
    1958 – Stirling Moss (Vanwall not Ferrari)
    1959 – Tony Brooks (Ferrari not Vanwall)
    1960 – Bruce McLaren (Cooper-Climax)
    1961 – Wolfgang Von Trips (Ferrari)
    1969 – Jacky Ickx (Brabham-Ford Cosworth)
    1970 – Jacky Ickx (Ferrari)
    1971 – Ronnie Peterson (March-Ford Cosworth)
    1974 – Clay Regazzoni (Ferrari)
    1978 – Ronnie Peterson (Lotus-Ford Cosworth)
    1979 – Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari)
    1981 – Carlos Reutemann (Williams-Ford Cosworth)
    1982 – Didier Pironi (Ferrari)
    1985 – Michele Alboreto (Ferrari)
    1992 – Ricardo Patrese (Williams-Renault)
    1997 – Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Williams-Renault)
    1999 – Eddie Irvine (Ferrari)
    2001 – David Coulthard (McLaren-Mercedes)
    2002 – Rubens Barrichello (Ferrari)
    2004 – Rubens Barrichello (Ferrari)

    As Chris S so succinctly put it some "happened to be at the right place at the right time" but they were still good enough to make use of the car they had to finish second in the championship.

    Moss, Peterson, Gilles Villeneuve and Tony Brooks are no surprise, but I was surprised by Jackie Ickx's two entries - I have never thought of him as a Grand Prix driver only as a spots car driver.

    Also, had the dice fallen slightly differently several drivers could have had more championships to their tally led by Fangio and Prost with seven titles and Schumacher with nine.
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    Stimulating topic this

    Moss, Ickx and Peterson are the three that were the tragedies of GP history for failing to be WDC, all graced the sport with their presence.
    1 GP win for Chris Amon would have uncorked the bottle and I'm sure would have led to at least 1 WDC
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