WRC mainclass from 2027

[saco0o]

just to clarify my thoughts on that part: these discussions have been going on for a while. wrc has two manufacturers participating. during all the meetings to decide whats next, one of these 2 brands start to say around that they may leave depending on what direction the rules goes (because they know where the decisions are heading, they are on the meetings). if they didnt cared about losing hyundai to define this set of rules is probably because there was more people om this table agreeing with them. not saying new manufacturers per se, but at least other teams, for sure. otherwise they'd keep some efforts to please hyundai too, like they did when they cancelled the ditching of hybrid at that first time.
does that make sense? im thinking more of some wrc2/erc/middle-east teams thinking "yep, we can enter rally1 with these cheaper cars", not actual factory teams.

[deephouse]

just to clarify my thoughts on that part: these discussions have been going on for a while. wrc has two manufacturers participating. during all the meetings to decide whats next, one of these 2 brands start to say around that they may leave depending on what direction the rules goes (because they know where the decisions are heading, they are on the meetings). if they didnt cared about losing hyundai to define this set of rules is probably because there was more people om this table agreeing with them. not saying new manufacturers per se, but at least other teams, for sure. otherwise they'd keep some efforts to please hyundai too, like they did when they cancelled the ditching of hybrid at that first time.
does that make sense? im thinking more of some wrc2/erc/middle-east teams thinking "yep, we can enter rally1 with these cheaper cars", not actual factory teams.

But you must understand that Hyundai threat of quitting for several years now. Practically every time when changes are on table or not. They gave them jokers, been late on development and demand some stuff constantly. Why? So they will quit anyway? (No matter how they say, they want more competition) Why would they listen only them? When there is one team, which is really trying to be in the sport on a year basis without proper support and by the way are the most loyal in the history of the sport.

[becher]

So the cars will be spec or just like now with a spec roll cage structure integrated into the chassis?

[PLuto]

i think it was just cool to listen. as someone actvely involved in the sport and on these decisions, one can feel Andrew is more optimistic about the sport than most fans have been over these last years, 'uknow? dave evans knows when to 'cut' him shortly when he starts to spiral into some P.R. bs but at the same time, dave represented us fans, filled with doubts, questions and negative views about every little thing. it was an interesting dynamic. its almost like I was there complaining and asking questions lol

on the rules it was more or less the expected. FIA wants more safety so thats why they went space frame. homologations will be simpler. they will use these rules for 10 years. these new rules were decided among several stakeholders trying to find a better cheaper way for the sport. i even got the impression that there was more people involved on these meetings (nothing specific, but i left hoping theres potential new entries for the future, who knows!). they talked about rally2 being so good and so much cheap that several "rich" drivers simply didnt wanted to go wrc or rally1 car and that was one of the reasons why we lost entries on the top class, but now the top cars will be cheaper, more people will jump (so... rally2s will only win a wrc event if all "rally1' crash. Thierry was speaking non-sense). they talked about the lack of direction for road cars (ice, hybrid, evs, hydrogen) so the obvious decision was to have them all, since the world is not going full EV, theres going to have space for every type of engines. dave asked about "shouldnt we go EV to be ahead? hybrids exist since the 90's, we were so late to the game" and Andrew say that they would have to change way too much the sport in order to accomodate evs, so they need to wait a few more years until the technology is at the right level for a rallying event. they talked about "lack of promotion, cuz drivers are not national heroes anymore, on newspaper covers" but c'moon, that boat has sailed, Dave. 'people dont follow 3 day events, shouldnt we change everything?". Andrew says that best way to get someone hooked into rally is to bring them to the stages. Andrew mentions that the past regulations (17 and 22) never had budget cap, so the costs went crazy (from expensiver lighter bolts to more engineers analysing data, probably), but now they will do it right. i feel they kinda 'regreat' going for hybrids, maybe?

they briefly talked about world rx... not sure dave knows something but apparently maybe FIA itself can take over the promotion... i didnt understand that tbf. anyway, nothing special, it was just cool to listen these two chatting as a whole

Thank you for summary.

[PLuto]

But you must understand that Hyundai threat of quitting for several years now. Practically every time when changes are on table or not. They gave them jokers, been late on development and demand some stuff constantly. Why? So they will quit anyway? (No matter how they say, they want more competition) Why would they listen only them? When there is one team, which is really trying to be in the sport on a year basis without proper support and by the way are the most loyal in the history of the sport.

It is sure for long time that Hyundai will stay until the end of 2026. Question is the next future...

[Fast Eddie WRC]

https://open.spotify.com/episode/5z9...fd9SXRsM-jw%0A
Andrew Wheatley talking about his departure and next gen rules. a good listen to be fair

It was very good and interesting to hear from someone who's been on the inside while all the discussions were going on about the future of WRC.

[saco0o]

idk whats the future but i'd love to see hyundai continuing without Cyril and racing this new car >> https://youtu.be/x_CkztJ4PHk?feature=shared

add renault, al atyah, chicherit and prodrive (theyre partners in dakar, right?) with this new car https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/renaul...ted-production

plus msport, toyota, skoda (cmoon, ia just a matter of building/buying the space frame) and we start to get some excitment back! lol

[Sulland]

Now the Manufacturers say the cost cap figure isnt feasible...

https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/wrc-t...isnt-feasible/

Sorry, make it work, or say go one level down.
if we had put all top drivers in Rally3 cars, after a few rallies we would continue to chear, and enjoy the fights!

[Steve Boyd]

You are talking about 30 years old history. Also basic rally cars were made in different style. Now everything is on the limits with balance between price/weight/endurance.

Increasing the engine power has less of an effect on driveshafts and differentials than you might expect. The most torque you can put on a driveshaft (apart from shock loading) is the torque needed to spin the wheels. I'd guess that the torque needed to spin a dry tarmac rally tyre on dry tarmac would be higher than that needed to spin a more heavily treaded RX tyre so the loading in RX use may actually be less than in rally use. RX events are much shorter than WRC events so I wouldn't be surprised if they would only need the same number of rebuilds in a season.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Neuville says the divers weren't on the discussion panel and voted No to the new Regs...

https://rallyjournal.com/big-concern...g-perspective/