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    I think it's being overlooked that in the age of 'part-time' drivers, this points system is actually best at rewarding those doing the full championship.

    Lappi didn't push on Sunday because he had a rally win and a large financial bonus waiting for him at the end. Points were completely irrelevant for him.

    Neuville and Evans are season-long competitors so push and reaped the reward of the maximum points they could score.

    If anything, this minimised the impact of part-time Lappi on those running for the actual championship.

    There's nothing wrong with that in my book. I dislike the number of part-time drivers chasing rally wins and money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    because that's what rally is and always has been. driving a certain distance faster than you opponents.
    Not exactly true, but yes the rally that always was in WRC.

    The same thing was said at the invention of the power stage, restarting and whatever other rule change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRodrigues View Post
    Why? Because it's "fair"? Is it also "fair" that he got road advantage?
    Someone has to start first on the road and someone has to start last on the road. Now its fair to argue whether the current system is the best or not, whether qualifying or old-fashioned seeding would be better - but that is not even in the same ballpark as ‘lowest overall time isn’t necessarily worth greatest overall points’.

    Imagine if F1 introduced something similar in the early 2000s because Michael Schumacher was ‘too dominant’. Extra points for the first few laps of the race because Montoya was often on pole but the Michelins didn’t last the distance like the Bridgestones.

    Schumacher passes the finish line first, Barrichello retired and the Williams BMWs were second and third. Montoya’s extra points for staying in the lead from the start plus his second position overall, 1m15s down on Schumacher, actually earn him 9 points and Schumacher only gets 6. But its completely fair because Schumacher got to start on the clean side of the track…

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    Quote Originally Posted by HKSjbg View Post
    Someone has to start first on the road and someone has to start last on the road. Now its fair to argue whether the current system is the best or not, whether qualifying or old-fashioned seeding would be better - but that is not even in the same ballpark as ‘lowest overall time isn’t necessarily worth greatest overall points’.

    Imagine if F1 introduced something similar in the early 2000s because Michael Schumacher was ‘too dominant’. Extra points for the first few laps of the race because Montoya was often on pole but the Michelins didn’t last the distance like the Bridgestones.

    Schumacher passes the finish line first, Barrichello retired and the Williams BMWs were second and third. Montoya’s extra points for staying in the lead from the start plus his second position overall, 1m15s down on Schumacher, actually earn him 9 points and Schumacher only gets 6. But its completely fair because Schumacher got to start on the clean side of the track…
    Nice reply. But this was not done because someone was dominant. It was done for drivers not cruising around on Sunday. Task achieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRodrigues View Post
    Nice reply. But this was not done because someone was dominant. It was done for drivers not cruising around on Sunday. Task achieved.
    However leading by 1 m 15 s (yes I know it´s an example) makes leading driver to cruise as well. Or should he not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    However leading by 1 m 15 s (yes I know it´s an example) makes leading driver to cruise as well. Or should he not?
    Depends if he needs the points or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRodrigues View Post
    Nice reply. But this was not done because someone was dominant. It was done for drivers not cruising around on Sunday. Task achieved.
    There's nothing wrong with cruising around - it happens in all motorsports. If people have a problem with it, maybe it's not the sport for them; current rally fans possibly have too short attention spans that would be better suited to Rallycross.....

    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    There's nothing wrong with cruising around - it happens in all motorsports. If people have a problem with it, maybe it's not the sport for them; current rally fans possibly have too short attention spans that would be better suited to Rallycross.....
    Changes done to make sport more interesting happens elsewhere too. Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. If you will miss cruising, you can always go to road close to your home and watch cars pass through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyRAC View Post
    There's nothing wrong with cruising around - it happens in all motorsports. If people have a problem with it, maybe it's not the sport for them; current rally fans possibly have too short attention spans that would be better suited to Rallycross.....
    This system was created by the powers that felt it necessary, not by fans. Perhaps that says something about who the more valued/majority fans are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRodrigues View Post
    Depends if he needs the points or not.
    So having a big lead in F1 (that´s what latest example was) you should loose points if you cruise and still wins?
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