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    2024 IndyCar Series

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    Im hating the idea of having Hybrid engines after Indy500. I guess they will eventually postpone that to 2025, but still, NOT A GOOD IDEA (costs, weight), especially with Honda saying they may exit the series in case they dont find a third brand to share all those engines. Over the last 10 years there were hopes of Judd returning, Cosworth entering, FERRARI entering(!!) but I guess the championship is not that important right now for brands to come and spend some money there. Even Winning the indy500 is more of a "Driver accomplishment" than something BRANDS can relate to. Like winning the chilli bowl. Manufacturers dont care about that. Its a DRIVER thing.
    THAT SHOULD CHANGE Imo... and As soon as possible. I mean.... HECK, Mercedes wants to run an F1 engine inside a Dallara car in this year's Indy500? LET THEM DO IT, u'know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiscorpun View Post
    Im hating the idea of having Hybrid engines after Indy500. I guess they will eventually postpone that to 2025, but still, NOT A GOOD IDEA (costs, weight), especially with Honda saying they may exit the series in case they dont find a third brand to share all those engines. Over the last 10 years there were hopes of Judd returning, Cosworth entering, FERRARI entering(!!) but I guess the championship is not that important right now for brands to come and spend some money there. Even Winning the indy500 is more of a "Driver accomplishment" than something BRANDS can relate to. Like winning the chilli bowl. Manufacturers dont care about that. Its a DRIVER thing.
    THAT SHOULD CHANGE Imo... and As soon as possible. I mean.... HECK, Mercedes wants to run an F1 engine inside a Dallara car in this year's Indy500? LET THEM DO IT, u'know?
    The problem with this is that outside of F1 and Sportscar racing, spec rules seem to be more the norm. Manufacturers tend to want to win at the expense of the series (that is if they win every race, they don't give a toss about competitive balance or the entertainment value). That in Indycar would not be a good thing. Would we gain more fans if we have more chassis and engines? Maybe, but the cost of being competitive would go up even if we had a BOP. That flies and seems to work in Sportscar but I have my doubts it is easy to do in Indycar.

    The other issue is as you say, it is a driver's accomplishment; not necessarily one for the manufacturer. It has to an extent has always been this way and I don't see it changing. There is no real incentive for Mercedes to build a Indycar legal hybrid just to win Indy. They would need to build for the series, not just the 500. But they only might have interest in the 500. I don't know what the solution is but if someone was willing to come in and build an engine to fit in the Indycar rules, that option is always there.

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    so the cost for the hybrids for a full season is 200k dolars according to Marshall Pruett.
    the hybrid is 'spec' (no road relevance, no tech transfer, so its not actually important to the manufacturers when it comes to the actual tech). it adds a lot of weight on the car but it givers then some 80hp at some moments (something like that), tho these 80hp in a few moments are not enought to make up for the extra weight, so the cars are heavier and slower.... aaahhhhmmm... 200k for these indycar teams seems A LOT. they fired the guy who fixed the series (randy bernard) because they werent happy about a 40k reduction in money distribution for the full timers. team threatened to quit if the aerokits were to continue (2015/16? they had a liittle higher cost). im not a hardcore indycar fan anynore but i can see the current 26 car grid reducing to 22 next year and then 18 for 2026 and then the teams will demand hybrids to be gone. im printing this because im 100% sure this is going to happen haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by saco0o View Post
    so the cost for the hybrids for a full season is 200k dolars according to Marshall Pruett.
    the hybrid is 'spec' (no road relevance, no tech transfer, so its not actually important to the manufacturers when it comes to the actual tech). it adds a lot of weight on the car but it givers then some 80hp at some moments (something like that), tho these 80hp in a few moments are not enought to make up for the extra weight, so the cars are heavier and slower.... aaahhhhmmm... 200k for these indycar teams seems A LOT. they fired the guy who fixed the series (randy bernard) because they werent happy about a 40k reduction in money distribution for the full timers. team threatened to quit if the aerokits were to continue (2015/16? they had a liittle higher cost). im not a hardcore indycar fan anynore but i can see the current 26 car grid reducing to 22 next year and then 18 for 2026 and then the teams will demand hybrids to be gone. im printing this because im 100% sure this is going to happen haha
    The first part of your post = Yep. The second part, well there is one new team wanting to join and none we know at this time wanting to leave, so nope.

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