2022 - Race 15 Netherland

[sgr]

I tend to agree with this. Both RBR and Alpha
Tauri were clearly colluding. This to me is more clear cut than Singapore. Both teams should be excluded from the championship. They made a complete mockery of the sport today. It won't happen though because the leadership and stewardship will of F1 is a joke.

Mercedes f*cked Hamilton in the end not putting him on the super soft tire.

Bullpoop

He couldn't even defend before the first turn, after the safety car returned.

There's no way on this flat earth Sir Entitled would have defended again Max on soft tyres had he remained on hard tyres. If anything, the gap at the end would have been even larger.

Did anyone else expect Toto to squel "No Russell, no Russell no no...." when Russell overtook Hamilton?

[truefan72]

Sounds like the AT had a half-shaft break , had no drive on one side , which Yuki read as a loose wheel .
He stopped , loosened his belts , and the team told him to return .
With new tires , they sent him out , and then realized he was right about something being wrong .

It's at this point that you can walk down either the sinister or the dexter road .
They told him to exit the pits and immediately pull over .

A Hamilton fan sees that as a free stop for Max , courtesy of AT .
Couple that with the fact there would be not have been an open pit lane for that free stop , had the car stopped before the exit , and you've got the makings of a scandal .

The team's explanation certainly makes sense , with only the exit of the pit area in question because of the radio call .

I guess you can call it collusion if you're Lewis , or you can call it good fortune , or wise choice for if you're young George .

After the smoked cleared, this seems to be the reasonable explanation for what happened.
It still stinks, but less nefarious than how it seemed to feel in real time.

either way, Hamilton should have switched to softs at the end and either he or bono simply didn't make the right call. Doing so would have meant that he would have finished no less than P2.
But the curse of VSC and SC continues to haunt Hamilton/Mercedes in 2022.

[Bagwan]

After the smoked cleared, this seems to be the reasonable explanation for what happened.
It still stinks, but less nefarious than how it seemed to feel in real time.

either way, Hamilton should have switched to softs at the end and either he or bono simply didn't make the right call. Doing so would have meant that he would have finished no less than P2.
But the curse of VSC and SC continues to haunt Hamilton/Mercedes in 2022.

Thank-you for that .

[The Black Knight]

Bullpoop

He couldn't even defend before the first turn, after the safety car returned.

There's no way on this flat earth Sir Entitled would have defended again Max on soft tyres had he remained on hard tyres. If anything, the gap at the end would have been even larger.

Did anyone else expect Toto to squel "No Russell, no Russell no no...." when Russell overtook Hamilton?

Ah yeah that's right a team that has spent millions in development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, travel around the world rebuilding their car race after race with 100s of censors on the car cannot tell if there is a differential issue. Instead they tell the driver to carry on, then to pit and carry on again like a bunch of amateurs. All this just happens to occur at the perfect time to assist their sister team in winning the race. Apparently you believe in fairytales.

[Bagwan]

Ah yeah that's right a team that has spent millions in development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, travel around the world rebuilding their car race after race with 100s of censors on the car cannot tell if there is a differential issue. Instead they tell the driver to carry on, then to pit and carry on again like a bunch of amateurs. All this just happens to occur at the perfect time to assist their sister team in winning the race. Apparently you believe in fairytales.

Perhaps they were focusing on what Tsunoda was saying , which was that he was certain a wheel was not fitted correctly .
He was that certain he was out , he undid his belts .

Had they wanted to create that safety car that lap , they could have told him to pull over at any time during his slow ride back to the pits , and had him park it in a really dangerous spot , guaranteeing it .

That would have been easier .

But then , maybe they felt they needed the pit stop practice .

[airshifter]

C'mon Bagwan. Everyone knows that RB was up against the wall with barely a 100 point lead in both championships. They weren't going to risk that going down by a couple of points, so they gladly risked exclusion from the entire season to make sure they got the win. Otherwise the Merc and Lewis would easily catch up to them before the season ends.

[sgr]

Ah yeah that's right a team that has spent millions in development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, travel around the world rebuilding their car race after race with 100s of censors on the car cannot tell if there is a differential issue. Instead they tell the driver to carry on, then to pit and carry on again like a bunch of amateurs. All this just happens to occur at the perfect time to assist their sister team in winning the race. Apparently you believe in fairytales.

Yes. RB have designed a car part that had built in AI. This futuristic AI was so advanced, it could anticipate Mercedes strategy, then calculate "a perfect time" when to commit harakiri. Not only this, it used quantum entanglement to influence receptive parts on bottas car to go kaboom at another "perfect time". It also used jedi mind powers to make Russell ask for soft tyres at yet another "perfect time"

[Zico]

Ah yeah that's right a team that has spent millions in development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, travel around the world rebuilding their car race after race with 100s of censors on the car cannot tell if there is a differential issue. Instead they tell the driver to carry on, then to pit and carry on again like a bunch of amateurs. All this just happens to occur at the perfect time to assist their sister team in winning the race. Apparently you believe in fairytales.

I didn't think it likely at the time... and I think it even less likely now after hearing AT's version of events.

Massive points lead, leading both championships. The risk of expulsion and the shame and damage it would inflict does not outweigh the potential reward... not that I think Lewis could have beaten Max even if it hadn't happened.

Only a complete idiot would consider trying to get away with such a stunt... and I don't think Horner and/or Mateschitz are idiots.

Find the smoking gun then you will have my full attention. I'm very sure you won't find it though.

[gm99]

Ah yeah that's right a team that has spent millions in development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, travel around the world rebuilding their car race after race with 100s of censors on the car cannot tell if there is a differential issue. Instead they tell the driver to carry on, then to pit and carry on again like a bunch of amateurs. All this just happens to occur at the perfect time to assist their sister team in winning the race. Apparently you believe in fairytales.

That would be almost as unrealistic as expecting Ferrari to spend millions on development, have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them, and then forgetting their car actually has four wheels so they need four tires at the pit stop

[truefan72]

Well, to me it seems that there really should be a stronger or a full separation of these sister teams. To be honest Alpha Tauri for the most part simply exists to support RBR. The management is too closely aligned and too many questions of competitive integrity. What happened at the Dutch GP was/is too much of a grey area to ignore, and despite my changed belief that it wasn't nefarious, who really knows what was going on behind the scenes. I appreciate RBR providing another team to give us at least 20 drivers on the grid and not 18. But those last 2 seats are as close to a support team as ever. The FIA should look into a proper separation of the 2 teams to the extend that their relationship should be as light as possible.