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    Classification after stage 4:

    Bikes

    1. AUS Daniel Sanders (Gas Gas), 18:40'
    2. USA Skyler Howes (Husqvarna), + 3'
    3. ARG Kevin Benavides (KTM), + 4'
    4. ESP Joan Barreda (Honda), + 4'
    5. AUS Toby Price (KTM), + 7'
    6. USA Mason Klein (KTM), + 10'
    7. CHI Pablo Quintanilla (Honda), + 11'
    8. FRA Andrien Van Beveren (Honda), + 18'
    9. ARG Luciano Benavides (Husqvarna), + 21'
    10. AUT Mattias Walkner (KTM), + 28'

    T1 Cars

    1. QAT Nasser Al-Attiyah (Toyota), 16:34'
    2. SAU Yazeed Al-Rajhi (Toyota), + 18'
    3. FRA Stéphane Peterhansel (Audi), + 18'
    4. ESP Carlos Sainz (Audi), + 32'
    5. RSA Henk Lategan (Toyota), + 45'
    6. BRA Lucas Moraes (Toyota), + 45'
    7. RSA Giniel de Vulliers (Toyota), + 48'
    8. SWE Mattias Ekström (Audi), + 50'
    9. CZE Martin Prokop (Ford), + 1:14'
    10. NED Erik Van Loon (Toyota), + 1:15'

    T3 Light Prototypes

    1. USA Mitch Guthrie (Can-Am), 18:59'
    2. BEL Guillaume de Mévius (OT3), + 1'
    3. USA Austin Jones (Can-Am), + 11'
    4. USA Seth Quintero (Can-Am), + 1:21'
    5. ESP Cristina Gutiérrez (Can-Am), + 2:29'
    6. CHI Francisco López (Can-Am), + 2:51'

    T4 SSV

    1. BRA Rodrigo Luppi De Oliveira (Can-Am), 20:05'
    2. POL Eryk Gocza? (Can-Am), + 14'
    3. LTU Rokas Baciuška (Can-Am), + 24'
    4. POL Marek Goczal (Can-Am), + 28'
    5. ESP Gerard Farrés (Can-Am), + 30'
    6. POL Michal Goczal (Can-Am), + 36'

    T5 Trucks

    1. CZE Ales Loprais (Praga), 19:29'
    2. NED Martin Van Der Brink (Iveco), + 27'
    3. CZE Jaroslav Valtr (Tatra), + 28'
    4. CZE Martn Macik (Iveco), + 39'
    5. NED Janus Van Kasteren (Iveco), + 58'
    6. NED Mitchel Van Der Brink (Iveco), + 2:06'
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    Quote Originally Posted by focus206 View Post
    1h 26' lost by Loeb, Dakar over.

    As long as Seb will drive that Prodrive thing, he won't win it. Let's see if the Audis are reliable enough to challenge Nasser and Toyota.
    3 punctures (and only 2 spares) on SS2 was the problem for Loeb, not the car.

    (And I wish he'd leave early now and do Monte-Carlo.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    3 punctures (and only 2 spares) on SS2 was the problem for Loeb, not the car.

    (And I wish he'd leave early now and do Monte-Carlo.)
    Loeb said in the interview after the stage that he went very slowly and didn't feel like he did any mistake nor that he could have done more. His teammate Terranova also got 3+ punctures in that stage.
    Meanwhile the Hilux guys, even drivers slower and less experienced than Loeb or Terranova, went through it relatively fine.
    I'm pretty sure they almost all run on BF-Goodrich tyres. Just coincidence or could there be something more, setup choices?

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    AUDI TO RECEIVE MORE POWER FOR THE REST OF THE DAKAR
    ASO HAS MODIFIED THE TECHNICAL REGULATIONS, UPPING THE MAXIMUM POWER FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES BY 8KW

    https://dirtfish.com/off-road/dakar/...-of-the-dakar/

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    Indeed, Nasser Al-Attiyah and Mathieu Baumel did not mince words in the face of the French media present in the Saudi bivouac. The Qatari driver, leader of the event, thanked the officials for "killing the race very early" on his Instagram account.

    his tricolor browser was more verbose, but his analysis is identical. Mathieu Baumel expresses his incomprehension because according to him, the acceleration data of the T1U (Audi) and T1+ (Prodrive, Toyota) taken into account by the FIA and ASO are not representative of their real performance in competition on this Dakar 2023.

    “The data is something, of course, but in reality, we drove several times with them and at no time could we say that we were going at the same speed as the Audis, declares the reigning world champion. From there to say that they are still in deficit while they are the ones who drop us off… I do not quite see the principle. To add 10 horsepower to them is a lot, especially for a car which, in reality, is already faster than us. »

    It's a fact, hybrid Audis have an advantage during acceleration phases, especially on sandy surfaces and in the dunes. Their electric motors give the drivers (Stéphane Peterhansel, Carlos Sainz, Mattias Ekström) an immediate response to the accelerator pedal, unlike the Toyota Hilux and Prodrive Hunter, equipped with twin-turbo petrol V6s, without an electrical system.

    Mathieu Baumel continues. “Clearly this decision is to give the advantage to Audi and allow them to come back. We are in the lead but they will come back to us. It does not go in the direction of fairness as it is marked on paper in any case.

    We expected quite the opposite! They may have made a mistake in the writing, right? There really is a serious problem. We rode with them again today (Wednesday). It's incomprehensible. I think they gave the win to Audi. »

    https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/...re-a-audi.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    Indeed, Nasser Al-Attiyah and Mathieu Baumel did not mince words in the face of the French media present in the Saudi bivouac. The Qatari driver, leader of the event, thanked the officials for "killing the race very early" on his Instagram account.

    his tricolor browser was more verbose, but his analysis is identical. Mathieu Baumel expresses his incomprehension because according to him, the acceleration data of the T1U (Audi) and T1+ (Prodrive, Toyota) taken into account by the FIA and ASO are not representative of their real performance in competition on this Dakar 2023.

    “The data is something, of course, but in reality, we drove several times with them and at no time could we say that we were going at the same speed as the Audis, declares the reigning world champion. From there to say that they are still in deficit while they are the ones who drop us off… I do not quite see the principle. To add 10 horsepower to them is a lot, especially for a car which, in reality, is already faster than us. »

    It's a fact, hybrid Audis have an advantage during acceleration phases, especially on sandy surfaces and in the dunes. Their electric motors give the drivers (Stéphane Peterhansel, Carlos Sainz, Mattias Ekström) an immediate response to the accelerator pedal, unlike the Toyota Hilux and Prodrive Hunter, equipped with twin-turbo petrol V6s, without an electrical system.

    Mathieu Baumel continues. “Clearly this decision is to give the advantage to Audi and allow them to come back. We are in the lead but they will come back to us. It does not go in the direction of fairness as it is marked on paper in any case.

    We expected quite the opposite! They may have made a mistake in the writing, right? There really is a serious problem. We rode with them again today (Wednesday). It's incomprehensible. I think they gave the win to Audi. »

    https://www.autohebdo.fr/actualites/...re-a-audi.html
    Mini has bad speed, give them 50 hp

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    We already mentioned that of the French co-driver yesterday in our article and that of Nasser, through Instagram, has not been very different, also accompanied by the decision of the commissioners and next to the text that pointed out: "What a surprise to give to our main rival 11 more CV!!! Thanks for killing the race early." Remember that it was expected that the competitors could not comment on any variation in the 'Balance of Technology', so it is not surprising that the two crew members of the lead car have been so explicit in commenting on the decision.

    The reactions were immediate and first it was Mattias Ekström who would publicly answer Baumel himself, pulling in this case the experience and seniority that they give to a driver who, in addition to winning the DTM and World RX, also runs his own competition structure: “I didn't expect you to write things like this. Maybe we should all follow the agreements and measurement methods that the teams made with the FIA before the race and trust that before making such statements. Let's run and let the FIA do its job. May the best team win in the end."

    Al-Attiyah's publication has also received reactions from many motoring personalities, some like Kris Meeke, Nicolas Gilsoul or Mason Klein seem to favor the opinion of the Qatari, but the one made by the personal account of Sven Quandt (and which seems to have been deleted around 5:30 a.m. in Spain), responsible for X-Raid and Q Motorsport, a structure that manages the participation precisely of the Audi project in the Dakar Rally. Once again, the pact between the teams not to make statements regarding the decisions of the FIA stands out, in addition to pointing out that far from "having killed the race", Nasser continues to start as a great favorite in the stages that will take place in the Empty Quarter in the second week of the Dakar.

    Dear all, you can argue about this a lot, but all the major teams, including Toyota, have agreed to accept whatever the FIA decides. If I had been in favor of someone else, Audi would have accepted this too. Before one writes a comment like this Nasser, he talks to your team managers at Toyota, since we all agree to accept it without controversy. By the way, you're leading by 18 minutes and you told everyone at the press conference that you know the Empty Quarter as home. Now you complain! Do you think of a true athlete? – Sven Quandt (@svenx) on Instagram

    https://www.diariomotor.com/competic...ds-utv-etapa4/

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    “I think we were doing a good stage, but I made a mistake on a tricky dune. We landed and hit a big bit of camel grass and ended up with the car on its side. So, we lost some time for this, but for the rest it was a good stage. There was no problem with the car, so that was quite good”.

    Last edited by dimviii; 5th January 2023 at 12:48.

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