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    Lots of excuses/reasons for Breen's sequence of crashes - lack of testing, no engine upgrades, trying too hard to match the other cars, some new events, team-leader pressure - but this has to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    What if it doesn't?

    And even if he does crash twice, who else are they going to get if they drop him? They don't want Mikkelsen unless he pays, he's never been rated within the team. They've pissed off Suninen & Lappi, Meeke is old and despite giving them good speed, is crash prone as well. Ostberg will never do business with Msport again after 2017.

    Loubet and Greensmith in a two car team? They made their bed with this driver lineup so hopefully they can make it work with at least one of Fourmaux or Breen. Championship kind of needs one of them to seriously step up
    I agree that management request seems to swing between "go slow and finish" (in which case you haven't proven any point, neither for the car, nor the driver) or "go for it" (only to later throw the driver under the bus if mistakes happen). In particular for rookies such as Fourmeaux, this has proven to be totally ineffective. The driver either loses confidence, or does not learn to drive at full speed, or both. If you chose unexperienced rookies, you better losen the leash, see what they have to offer speed-wise and too bad if shit happens. It's part of the learning process. I never really understood this long game "learn it slow first" approach of MSport, in particular if drivers are later dismissed...
    Of course this argument does not apply to Breen who is not a rookie anymore. To me he resembles Armin Schwarz more and more (fast but crashes all too often). At least Armin managed to pull one victory early on before he turned into a reliable, but slower, driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    What if it doesn't?

    And even if he does crash twice, who else are they going to get if they drop him? They don't want Mikkelsen unless he pays, he's never been rated within the team. They've pissed off Suninen & Lappi, Meeke is old and despite giving them good speed, is crash prone as well. Ostberg will never do business with Msport again after 2017.

    Loubet and Greensmith in a two car team? They made their bed with this driver lineup so hopefully they can make it work with at least one of Fourmaux or Breen. Championship kind of needs one of them to seriously step up
    You were talking about man management. When do/would you give an employee a fifth/sixth chance to make the same mistake without sitting them down, reassessing where/how they are going wrong, the limits of their abilities and making sure they understand what the goal is and how to achieve it? If you'd say to Breen "don't worry, forget about what's happened, you're invincible, so go and try again doing whatever you want in exactly the same way knowing there's all of next season events as well to strike it lucky", perhaps you need to inflect on your ability to lead your people to where they need to be, and wherever that is.

    As it is, I think the reason for the humiliations is because of the inability to follow instructions. I don't believe for one second bosses are saying to them to challenge for the win every time at risk of binning it. So, 'what if it doesn't' (happen again and again) is just good luck IMO, not great management.

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    anyone knows what the conditons are like?
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    These fkin hybrid systems.. there is nothing positive towards them. Even no banners on stages or cars..

    Toyota vs Hyundai protest war
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    I'd love to know how long before saying all that, that Tom Fowler knew he was going to say that. Brilliant.

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    Weather now in stage 8?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    anyone knows what the conditons are like?
    Looking at webcams, wet and low cloud

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    Oh those penalties.

    Rovanperä got 0.07% over maximum and 5sec penalty.

    Tänak is huge fan since Sweden when some guys just decided - hey, you can not compete anymore.

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