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    Quote Originally Posted by TypeR View Post
    5s isn't that much, BUT if top4 is in 7s after 160km of stages, then it's a lot..
    its quite harsh IMO but it is what it is
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    Dooh those penalties.

    Tänak went to sleep as 1st and wakes up as 2nd. Evans was sleeping faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meh View Post
    Dooh those penalties.

    Tänak went to sleep as 1st and wakes up as 2nd. Evans was sleeping faster.
    Hahaa
    Last edited by TypeR; 30th September 2022 at 12:38.

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    How on earth can you control your hybrit unit while driving in high focusing mode? What´s the meaning? 5 secs can decide a whole championship...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    How on earth can you control your hybrit unit while driving in high focusing mode? What´s the meaning? 5 secs can decide a whole championship...
    Like I said, it's engineer's mistake. You pre-set the hybrid unit with maximum energy limits per every stage. The original rules had a different limit and a bulletin updated that, and the engineer didn't notice/remember.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    How on earth can you control your hybrit unit while driving in high focusing mode? What´s the meaning? 5 secs can decide a whole championship...
    In these cases, it isn't down to the drivers, it's defined in advance by the engineers. There are tables published in advance of the event, telling the teams how much electrical energy can be used per boost in each stage. This must have been overlooked...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ouvreur View Post
    In these cases, it isn't down to the drivers, it's defined in advance by the engineers. There are tables published in advance of the event, telling the teams how much electrical energy can be used per boost in each stage. This must have been overlooked...
    Thanks. Even AnttiL. For clearifying.
    However don´t think these kind of mistakes should be deciders. More that team should be fined instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Thanks. Even AnttiL. For clearifying.
    However don´t think these kind of mistakes should be deciders. More that team should be fined instead.
    That opens up the opportunity to mess with the rules to gain a competitive advantage and just pay a fine. In essence one could buy a championship in that case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    Breen has a contract for next year and there's hardly better options out there. If I was Millener, instead of benching Breen I'd tell him not to worry. You'll be here next season, go and drive the last two events with freedom and forget about the crashes in the last run of events.
    Anyone is a better option than a driver that crashes in 4/5 rallies and loses 2 mins with puncture on the 5th. "A driver is only as good as his last rally" the saying goes. 1 crash is a normal mistake, 2 in a row is bad luck, going to 3 and 4 it is not much about luck any more.

    I agree that there can be real doubts about how MSport manages their drivers, already since Suninen last year. Obviously we don't know how it works inside and the rumors we get can be adjusted by one or other side, but the results of both Fourmaux and Breen definitely show it is not working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRCStan View Post
    And when it happens again in these two rounds?
    What if it doesn't?

    And even if he does crash twice, who else are they going to get if they drop him? They don't want Mikkelsen unless he pays, he's never been rated within the team. They've pissed off Suninen & Lappi, Meeke is old and despite giving them good speed, is crash prone as well. Ostberg will never do business with Msport again after 2017.

    Loubet and Greensmith in a two car team? They made their bed with this driver lineup so hopefully they can make it work with at least one of Fourmaux or Breen. Championship kind of needs one of them to seriously step up

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