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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    What are everyones thoughts on the track for F1?

    Some drivers loved it, others less so, its fast and offers a different challenge from most others but clearly can bite as we expected and witnessed. no run offs, potentially dangerous.


    Should it be on the Calender next year?
    That track sucks.
    No.
    " Lady - I'm in an awful dilemma.
    Moe - Yeah, I never cared much for these foreign cars either."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    It was established that the information that Verstappen was asked to give the place back to Hamilton had not reached Hamilton at the point when Verstappen was slowing down. Hence, he would not have known why Verstappen was slowing down. There might be a debris on the track for instance.

    The slowing down was not the issue, it was the sudden braking that immediately followed that caused Hamilton to crash into the back of him. The braking was clear in the relative telemetry and the reason why he was found to be at fault.
    Oh , gimme a break , dude .
    He knew what Max was doing . He dropped 3 gears , when both of them should have been racing , instead of playing "silly-beggar" .

    He drove right up behind him , so what do you think his message to Max was at that moment ?
    He was telling Max he wasn't going to pass before that detection line .
    He knew Max's game by then and being so tight that even he , a guy with the reflexes of an adrenaline-soaked cat , couldn't avoid a rapidly slowing car ahead just wasn't smart .

    They were racing to slow down , and the guy behind is always going to hit the guy ahead in that scenario .

    It was a ludicrous moment for F1 .

    Max , for sure , should not have hit the brakes .
    But , his instruction was to slow down and Let Lewis by .

    Lewis should not have been that close behind , but was told that Max would let him by , not that he must pass .

    So , you see , a stupid situation set up by stupid DRS rules .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bagwan View Post
    Oh , gimme a break , dude .
    He knew what Max was doing . He dropped 3 gears , when both of them should have been racing , instead of playing "silly-beggar" .

    He drove right up behind him , so what do you think his message to Max was at that moment ?
    He was telling Max he wasn't going to pass before that detection line .
    He knew Max's game by then and being so tight that even he , a guy with the reflexes of an adrenaline-soaked cat , couldn't avoid a rapidly slowing car ahead just wasn't smart .

    They were racing to slow down , and the guy behind is always going to hit the guy ahead in that scenario .

    It was a ludicrous moment for F1 .

    Max , for sure , should not have hit the brakes .
    But , his instruction was to slow down and Let Lewis by .

    Lewis should not have been that close behind , but was told that Max would let him by , not that he must pass .

    So , you see , a stupid situation set up by stupid DRS rules .
    true, Hamilton was trying to use the slipstream to slingshot pass Verstappen, just as Verstappen realized that the DRS detection point was fast approaching and needed to slow down. They were both playing games
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    Quote Originally Posted by N. Jones View Post
    That track sucks.
    No.
    I disagree- I think it's a great track. A bit clumsy in places but great to see the drivers having to push like that. Skill and bravery came to the fore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N. Jones View Post
    That track sucks.
    No.
    The track workers suck , too , if I may say so .

    When the head guy , Masi , has to be out there pointing out the oil on the track , then has to direct them to put down the stay-dry , and then has to direct them in the direction that they should be pushing the broom , you know that nobody is trained nearly enough .

    He had to be on the scene everywhere to keep things together .

    The Saudi organization was far from ready .
    Nice light show , though .


    I heard the fact stated during the telecast that it has been deemed the fastest "street-style" track in the world .
    To me , that explained a lot .
    A good advertising slogan is worth more than having a safe track , or a track where you can pass without DRS , or any remote chance of making it through the race without multiple safety cars and/or multiple lengthy red flag periods .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    true, Hamilton was trying to use the slipstream to slingshot pass Verstappen, just as Verstappen realized that the DRS detection point was fast approaching and needed to slow down. They were both playing games
    He was slowing , too .
    Lewis was absolutely not looking for a slipstream .

    Yes , they were both playing games .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    true, Hamilton was trying to use the slipstream to slingshot pass Verstappen, just as Verstappen realized that the DRS detection point was fast approaching and needed to slow down. They were both playing games
    If Hamilton had just kept his foot down, max would have never got past him at the end of the straight, even with drs.

    But that's always easy to tell in retrospective. I understand why lewis didn't wanted to pass and stay as close as possible.

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    Should do away with DRS on the final lap, was unfair on ocon

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe1888cfc View Post
    Should do away with DRS on the final lap, was unfair on ocon
    Even with drs, bottas shouldn't be able to overtake before the finnish.

    Something must have happened in the corner before, but i can't seem to find a video.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    If Hamilton had just kept his foot down, max would have never got past him at the end of the straight, even with drs.

    But that's always easy to tell in retrospective. I understand why lewis didn't wanted to pass and stay as close as possible.
    I think Hamilton suspected that Verstappen was up to something that could be bad for him if he pass. He knew he had to take precautions not to get into a race-ending crash. His hesitance was partly due to that and probably the DRS detection point as well.

    Verstappen was driving in a very unusual way in front. He initially appeared to give way, then he moved into the centre of the track and slowed momentarily and sped up momentarily and slowed again then hit the breaks hard. Then after the crash, he sped off into the distance not giving up the place until he arrived at the next DRS detection point where he gave up the place properly just before the DRS detection point and immediately used DRS to reclaim the lead. Unfortunately for him, once he had used up the DRS, he did not have the speed to keep Hamilton behind on the following straight.
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