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    Quote Originally Posted by ouvreur View Post
    The question is, how well placed is that source? How well informed?

    The way I see it, the team needs to get its house in order after a couple of years of Adamo. You don't do something like that overnight. He was running everything there, they'll need a couple of people to do what he was doing all by himself, which won't be easy.
    It doesn't even need a great source, its a blatant fact that this change couldn't have had worse timing. Their Rally1 development programme was already running late, and then the test car was destroyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    It doesn't even need a great source, its a blatant fact that this change couldn't have had worse timing. Their Rally1 development programme was already running late, and then the test car was destroyed.
    It's not ideal but everyone else is still there though. Plans/schedules will have already been mapped out as has been seen by the testing ALL last week and continuing into this week. Adamo leaving hasn't left the team in the lurch, there's a lot of capable people who can keep the testing and development etc going.

    Reckon they will have someone new in place before their next batch of testing after new year (which will already have been planned for). Adamo was just one man - not everything has just descended into chaos because he has left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    It's not ideal but everyone else is still there though. Plans/schedules will have already been mapped out as has been seen by the testing ALL last week and continuing into this week. Adamo leaving hasn't left the team in the lurch, there's a lot of capable people who can keep the testing and development etc going.

    Reckon they will have someone new in place before their next batch of testing after new year (which will already have been planned for). Adamo was just one man - not everything has just descended into chaos because he has left.
    I bet there are a LOT of things that have been improved since he left... Notably morale, decision-making processes, and psycho-factor...

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    Precisely. It's an opportunity for a team that looked rather lost at times in 2021, and didn't always cover itself in glory with its decision making, to refresh, recharge, and go into 2022 with a positive outlook.

    If not now, when? At least they've had a few working weeks to steady the ship, and make plans for early 2022. This would have been far worse if it had happened over the winter break, or in the lead up to Monte.

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    Guys, one confusion:

    As they have merged WRC 2 and WRC 3 I thought they mixed the rules in the easiest way, but I can not understand some bits. My understanding was that they are doing WRC 2 (OPEN, so for all in case of drivers/co-drivers) plus WRC 2 Junior, Master Cup and Teams. But:

    6.2.1 In order to score points in the WRC2 Championship for
    Teams supported by a Manufacturer or independent, Drivers,
    Co-Drivers, Junior, Master and Teams must register with the
    FIA before the closing date of entries of the first rally entered.
    Registration in the WRC2 Championships is set at €100,000
    for teams with the Manufacturer name in the title or €10,000
    for an independent team. Any manufacturer registered as per
    Art. 5.2 does not need to pay the individual WRC2 Championship fee for Manufacturers. Registration for the WRC2 Open
    Championship, set at €3,000, must be made in the name
    of a driver holding a current and valid competitor’s licence.

    After this (and last year WRC 3) I would understand that we will have one WRC 2 champion for Drivers, regardless he will be entered as a Team or himself (Mikkelsen could be as Toksport (10k euro) or as Andreas Mikkelsen (3k euro)

    and now:

    6.4.1 (partly).... Points scored in the Support Championships shall
    always be in the name of the team, driver and co-driver.

    6.4.3 The WRC2 Champion titles for Drivers, Co-Drivers and Juniors
    will be awarded to the driver and co-driver who have scored
    the highest number of points from 6 of the 7 rallies in which
    they were entered by a team registered in the WRC2 Championship and nominated to score points.

    So to win drivers championship Mikkelsen should paid 10k euro (to be a team) + 3k euro (for WRC 2 Open) or it is a mistake? This paragraph is not marked in green, so they've just made copy/paste...

    But to be classified as a team, you should enter 2 cars. So driver needs register team and pay 10k euro, but the team will not be allowed to score points for itself unless it has 2 cars...

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    I understand it this way:

    - Skoda registers as manufacturer team in WRC2, 100 000 euros
    - Toksport registers as independent team in WRC2, 10 000 euros
    - Mikkelsen registers as a driver in WRC2 Open, 3000 euros

    It's a different thing if you want to drive in WRC2 but you are not in a team. Basically you have to put up your own team for this purpose, and pay that 10 000 entry fee. Otherwise you can only do a non-priority start in a Rally2 car in a WRC event.

    Right now it seems there's no manufacturers that would register for WRC2 manufacturer but is not a Rally1 manufacturer. Skoda did this in 2019 but after that Skodas have been run through Toksport. Also Citroens are run through private teams only. Hyundai and M-Sport are manufacturers for Rally1 cars, so they don't have to pay separate manufacturer entry fee for WRC2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I understand it this way:

    - Skoda registers as manufacturer team in WRC2, 100 000 euros
    - Toksport registers as independent team in WRC2, 10 000 euros
    - Mikkelsen registers as a driver in WRC2 Open, 3000 euros

    It's a different thing if you want to drive in WRC2 but you are not in a team. Basically you have to put up your own team for this purpose, and pay that 10 000 entry fee. Otherwise you can only do a non-priority start in a Rally2 car in a WRC event.
    So they merged both championship and now forced majority of guys to create "team" and pay 13k to be a WRC2 driver's champion (Team 10k + 3k for Open). Moreover you will need create a team, pay for that and the team won't be visible in table.

    Untill last year it was let's say fair a bit, cause WRC2 was mainly for Teams. But now it should be closer to WRC 3 or a bit balanced at least.

    I am still thinking it is a mistake, but let's wait. Chris Ingram seems to be entered to Monte as Chris Ingram... so? If you are right, he will not be able to get points For guys like him, Kajetanowicz, Lindholm etc, promotion from WRC 3 to WRC 2 would mean over 400% increase in registration cost...

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    It's not ideal but everyone else is still there though. Plans/schedules will have already been mapped out as has been seen by the testing ALL last week and continuing into this week. Adamo leaving hasn't left the team in the lurch, there's a lot of capable people who can keep the testing and development etc going.
    IMHO a trully good manager creates his team in way that it's able to work as usual without him being present.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Personally, I think 6.4.3 is a mistake and will be updated soon.

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    Is there a better sound than that of Porsche engined Flat-6 ???

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