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8th November 2021, 15:47 #21
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Yes, much like this 2021 car, Mercedes was putting together the car for the hybrid regulations of 2014 in parallel to the 2013 car. Since they had signed Hamilton in 2013, Schumacher would have ceased to be involved in the 2014 car. The point l am making is, you cannot attribute all of Mercedes successful cars since 2014 to Schumacher. Like Rosberg, Schumacher contributed to developing the Mercedes platform. You go on as if he solely, was responsible for Mercedes success.
Some would like one of the two GOATs for personal reasons. I personally like both.Last edited by Nitrodaze; 9th November 2021 at 10:09.
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8th November 2021, 19:19 #22
If I thought all motorsport was crap, I wouldn't watch it so that is obviously not the case. I love driving, I used to race online, enjoy good racing and the spectacle rather than falling into a driver fan camp like you have.. which I feel affects peoples reasoning, logic and objectivity quite substantially when chatting about F1.
We are obviously different types of fans, I'm just a general motorsport/F1 fan with no particular favourite driver or team but I do tend to back an underdog and watching fresh young talent coming through and doing well pleases me more than a single driver or team totally dominating.
I don't understand how some can gravitate towards a single driver and declare him the best ever, a GOAT etc I find that unfathomable and quite bizarre considering its not a Spec series.
I suspect my lack of reverence comes from racing online against phenomenally quick guys online on a new track and in a new car, being a couple of seconds off the pace even after a couple of hours in despite it feeling and thinking their pace was incredible, world class that they must be aliens but just plugging away and after a spending many more hours (20-30+) finding small chunks here and there through different lines and techniques etc, also optimising car setup and studying them closely I was eventually able to be competitive and be just as quick as they were.
Like their real life counterparts, they are all just mere mortals like you and I and I don't think not looking up to them in reverence is disrespectful.. or has 'dishonoured' them as you put it although I think I understand why you might see it that way.
Although the current cars are the fastest ever, I still find the V10 era battles (ie Schumacher and Alonso) far more spectacular and exciting to watch than even what we have had this year between Lewis than Max. No disrespect to either of them, I guess I'm just still have a big soft spot for the NA soundtrack.Last edited by Zico; 8th November 2021 at 19:46.
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8th November 2021, 22:31 #23
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8th November 2021, 23:41 #24
A defensive stance is defending your POV or stance in a discussion where someone disagrees with you, its perfectly normal, everyone does it, yourself included. In fact you just did it in your own reply just there.
Insults? You disagreed with me but then in your very next post totally agreed with Airshifter who had said pretty much the exact same thing... so unless you have completely changed your mind and actually now also agree with me, you are not being objective, rational or making a whole lot of sense.
I'm sorry you have taken my comments and observations that way but hey ho.
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9th November 2021, 06:21 #25
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Agree on both counts. Schumacher won in a car that wasn't up to winning standards at the time, and built up a team around him to reach the point of having the dominant car. And has been pointed out by TBK, went on to help develop the car that became the dominant Merc.
Lewis hanging with Alonso was a much harder task than what he has done in recent years in the Merc. The Merc combination was just so dominant that it was a matter of being there at that point, not having to fight hard. Similar happened at the dominant years for Ferrari and Schumacher, the primary difference being that he joined when the team was a mess.
As for the first part... exactly. Just like many other professions they work hard to get to the top, but they are just people still. In my younger years before the fans became more fanatical and people were kept from them more I got to meet a number of high level motocross and motorcycle riders, as well as some of the big Baja racers. Back then they didn't need security due to swarms of people mobbing them, and some were fairly laid back.
As for hybrid era vs the old screamers, there was noting like the soundtrack of the V10 and V8 cars. Recently it also hit me that it changed the way racers race as well. With the initial hybrid era the limited extra power boost started it, and even now it influences the race pace. Often drivers use that extra power to attack, or defend. If you get two savvy drivers with close equipment, often there are laps of hard attack and defend, a slower lap to get batteries back up to full, then rinse and repeat. Before the hybrids, that breathing room didn't exist. A full on attack might last for many laps.
And that is where MS was at his best, full on attack or defend mode. Barring a few uncharacteristic mistakes, he could do either for a full race it seemed.
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9th November 2021, 09:47 #26
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I did not call you names. But you have persistently referred to me as a fan club member or something of that nature. I find that very insulting. Also, you could have spent a little more time addressing my point in my reply to you instead. Please go back and read my initial response to your post with a cool head. You would find l agreed with you on some points and disagreed on others. Do you prefer l agree with everything you post? There is no need to start calling people fanboy etc, it is so juvenile.
How you presented your views were different to how Airshifter presented his. I addressed certain aspects of your post. And addressed certain aspects of Airshifter's post. These aspects are different between both of your posts.Last edited by Nitrodaze; 9th November 2021 at 10:15.
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9th November 2021, 13:11 #27
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10th November 2021, 22:31 #29
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Micheal Schumacher was special because he established himself as a championship material in the presence of some of the finest racers in F1 history. Racing against World champions like Senna, Prost, Mansell etc and beating them. He is without a doubt a GOAT of F1.
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11th November 2021, 14:05 #30
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How do people watch that and say there's too many/no need for tarmac rallies? Crazy. Is it sped up footage?
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